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Ruk
post May 3 2008, 08:06 PM
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Praise be to ALLAH (The Exalted and Glorified).

Their Creation:


The jinn race was created before mankind, but after the creation of the angels. Iblis is the first jinn and is believed to be the father of the jinn race, just as Adam (peace be upon him) is the father of mankind. This is mentioned in the following verse of the Qur’an and hadith:

“And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.” [15:27]

‘Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) reported:
The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon Him) said, “The angels are created from light, just as the jinn are created from smokeless fire and mankind is created from what you have been told about [i.e. clay].”
[Muslim: Book 42: Hadith 7134]

Their Purpose:


The jinn have the same destiny and fate as man. The jinn race has been given the freewill to decide to submit to Allah or choose to be ungrateful. They have also been sent Messengers from among their own, but the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was the last prophet and messenger, sent to both mankind and the jinn race.

“And I (Allah) created not the jinns and men, except that they should worship Me (Alone).” [51:56]

Similar to man, the jinns will be reckoned on the Day of Judgment:

“‘O ye assembly of jinns and men! Came there not unto you Messengers from amongst you, setting forth unto you My signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?’ They will say: ‘We bear witness against ourselves.’ It was the life of this world that deceived them. So against themselves will they bear witness that they rejected Faith.” [6:130]


They are Part of The Unseen:


Allah (The Exalted and Glorified) through His Mercy for man, has placed a veil over the eyes of mankind, so they cannot see the jinn. However, animals may see the jinn. For example, horses and dogs can see the jinn. It is also the case that the jinn can see man. The jinn reside in their own realm on Earth, existing parallel to the world of man. This is mentioned in the following verses of the Qur’an:

“Soon shall We settle your affairs, O both ye worlds!” [55:31]

“O ye Children of Adam! Let not Iblis seduce you, in the same manner as he got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame: for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them: We made the devils [i.e. evil jinn] friends (only) to those without faith.” [7:27]

Types of Jinn:

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned that there were three different types of jinn:

Abu Tha’labah al-Khushani said:
The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “The jinn are of three types: a type that has wings, and they fly through the air; a type that looks like snakes and dogs; and a type that stops for a rest then resumes its journey [i.e. they appear to be nomadic].” [Reported by al-Tahhaawi in Mushkil al-Athaar, 4/95, and by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 22/214. Shaykh al-Albaani said in al-Mishkaat (2/1206, no. 4148): al-Tahhaawi and Abu’l-Shaykh reported it with a saheeh isnaad]
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Ruk
post May 3 2008, 08:08 PM
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Continued...

Bigfoot:

The notorious American Bigfoot is considered to be a large hairy hominoid that lives in the forest. This creature is known by numerous other names from around the world: Yeti, Sasquatch, Yowie, Abominable Snowman, Skunk Ape, Barmanou, etc. Long before modern Americans gave eyewitness accounts of Bigfoot, many of the Native American tribes that had lived in North America were well acquainted with the creature.
Some tribes considered Bigfoot as their “brother” from the forest, which was a spirit that lived underground and surfaced during the night, in order to feed. Some Native Americans also mention in their legends that Bigfoot was capable of making himself appear visible and invisible. Another tribe, the Dakota Indians, considered Bigfoot to exist in another dimension and to appear in the world of man when they had reason. This jinn is perhaps the third type mentioned in the section “Types of Jinn,” the one that stops for a rest then resumes its journey, living a nomadic existence.


Mothman:


Mothman was the name given to a creature that appeared in Point Pleasant, West Virginia in the 1960s. The creature was man-like in appearance, possessed two large wings on its back, and was excessively hairy. The persons who came into contact with the Mothman, mentioned that it could travel quickly and fly. This creature has been seen around the world. For example, in Zanzibar, there is a creature known as “Bat Wings,” which is described as being similar in appearance to the Mothman. This is the jinn that has wings and flies. This was mentioned in the section “Types of Jinn.”


Werewolf of Wisconsin:

In the state of Wisconsin, there have been numerous sightings of a large creature that walks erect and has the features of a dog, which include: claws, a snout, and excessive hair. Among the first sightings was by a man who spotted the “werewolf” east of Jefferson, Wisconsin. While driving during the night, the man spotted the beast digging in an old Indian mound. He described it as standing erect over six feet, having a muzzle, and claws with three fingers and a twisted thumb. The man came back to the spot the next night and found the same beast. In the second encounter, the man said he heard the creature utter something that was not tangible. The beast went away from the man and eventually vanished from sight.
The so-called “werewolf” or dog form of the jinn is well known around the world. In fact, in Arabia, this was the manner in which the jinn were commonly seen when they encountered Arabs in the world of man. This is the type of jinn that looks like a dog and is mentioned in the section “Types of Jinn.” The jinn from Wisonsin, is mentioned to have been seen digging in an Indian mound, which is a graveyard, this is probably because he was searching for bones to eat. The following account mentions the encounter of a Muslim with a jinn that appeared in this form:

Strength of faith and religiosity in general will also prevent the jinn from harming a person, so much so that if a Muslim were to fight with a jinn, the one who has faith in Allah would win.

‘Abd-Allah ibn Mas’ood (may Allah be pleased with him) said:
A man from among the Companions of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) met a man [i.e. male] from among the jinn. They wrestled, and the human knocked down the jinn. The human said to him, ‘You look small and skinny to me, and your forearms look like the front paws of a dog. Do all the jinn look like this, or only you?’ He said, ‘No, by Allah, among them I am strong, but let us wrestle again, and if you defeat me I will teach you something that will do you good.’ The human said, ‘Fine.’ He [the jinn] said, ‘Recite, “Allah! None has the right to be worshipped but He, the Ever-Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists…”’ [2:255]. The human said, ‘Fine.’ He [the jinn] said, ‘You will never recite this in your house but the Shaytaan will come out of it like a donkey breaking wind, and he will never come back in until the next morning.’” [al-Darimi no. 3247]

Narrated ‘Abd-Allah ibn Ubayy ibn Ka’b that his father told him that he had a vessel in which he kept dates. He used to check on it and found that the number was decreasing. So he kept guard on it one night and saw a beast that looked like an adolescent boy. He said: “I greeted him with salaams [peace] and he returned my greeting, then I asked him, ‘What are you, a jinn or a human?’ He said, ‘A jinn.’ I said to him, ‘Show me your hand.’ So he showed me his hand, and it looked like a dog’s paw with dog’s fur. I said, ‘Do all the jinn look like this?’ He said, ‘I know no one among the jinn who is stronger than I.’ I said, ‘What made you do what you did [i.e., taking the dates]?’ He said, ‘We heard that you are a man who loves charity, and we wanted to have some of your food.’” Ubayy asked him, “What will protect us from you?” He said, “This ayah, Ayat al-Kursi.” Then the next day he [Ubayy] went to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and told him (about what had happened) and he [the Prophet] said, “The evil one spoke the truth.”
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Ruk
post May 3 2008, 08:12 PM
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Unidentified Flying Objects:

UFO sightings have always been plentiful. Although many of them may be aircrafts or lights, some of them are jinn. For example, during World War II, many war pilots spotted circular balls of light flying and encircling their planes. These lights appeared interested in the aircrafts and would also engage in a game of “cat and mouse” with the pilots. This type of activity continues to happen to pilots in modern times. Since jinns can change their form into various appearances, including the circular light appearance, these were jinn. The Bush Men in the southern part of Africa have also complained that evil spirits appear to them in this form during the night. It is also the case that some video footage has showed these spherical lights creating crop circles. There have also been accounts by individuals who have had jinns living within their homes, mentioning the fact that the jinn appear as circular spheres of light.
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Muhsinmuttaqi
post May 4 2008, 02:50 AM
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Assalamu Alaykum

Jinns are everywhere around the globe in a manner that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala decides. Every single person on earth has a shaytaan jinn appointed to him. Jinn love the remote areas. The more remote the area the more concentration/density of jinn. I believe that the CHAINSAW MASSACRE which happened in Texas of which there are already movies, could not have happened without jinn. In such remote area they lived the concentration of jinn are great. I don't think that a human being would be like that without the influence of jinn. Maybe, they were all intoxicated by shayateen and other evil jinn who whispered into their already evil mind and hearts to commit such horrendous crimes.
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Muttaqun
post May 4 2008, 08:46 AM
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Asalaamualykum

JazzakhAllah for sharing this post

All of these "legends" and "myths" make sense now. Many magicians are possessed by jinn in order to decieve the audience in thinking that magic is real.

hmm, since jinn live in remote areas, imagine how many would live in Antarctica, but maybe only the type of jinn that resembles a dog would live their, since its soo cold!

May Allah protect us from the works and whispers of the evil jinn. Amen
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abukhaleel
post May 4 2008, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(Muttaqun @ May 4 2008, 01:46 PM) *
Asalaamualykum

JazzakhAllah for sharing this post

All of these "legends" and "myths" make sense now. Many magicians are possessed by jinn in order to decieve the audience in thinking that magic is real.

hmm, since jinn live in remote areas, imagine how many would live in Antarctica, but maybe only the type of jinn that resembles a dog would live their, since its soo cold!

May Allah protect us from the works and whispers of the evil jinn. Amen


salaam...
i believe/suspect one lives in the white house in washington...he resembles the incumbent presdient bush and often times, it is the jinn that addresses the american nation while the real bush is elsehwere...most decisions too, are so illogical by this replica of bush that my suspicion grows stronger each day...( saw a poster saying, "empty warhead in whitehouse" and bush's skull was displayed...i think that too was the jinn mocking our human cousin bush)also i belive the incident between bill clinton and monica was actually bill clinton and that jinn impersonating monica....i could be wrong ofcourse, but since the discussion is about myths and imaginables...i shared my thoughts...no offence meant to the great american people whose national health care system is making them sick.
salaam.
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Brother Daoud
post May 4 2008, 11:04 AM
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I feel many of this is open to discussion, the human mind can easily be manipulated. For example if I say a cloud looks like ____ chances are you would SUDDENLY see it. Same concept when a picutre of bigfoot or w/e is in your mind chances are you will see big foot.

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but the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was the last prophet and messenger, sent to both mankind and the jinn race.


Sources? I know for humans but jinn?


Jinns are often visible for a second, like a quick flash in the corner of your eyes. My room mate use to do black magic, the walls were bleeding at night my bed would be lifted in the air. Sometimes I got random cuts i never saw before. Thankfully I was allowed to leave that room and go back home

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Muhsinmuttaqi
post May 4 2008, 04:12 PM
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Assalamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullahee wa Barakatu

A Shaytaan can only overtake a person and manipulate him to do bad, if the person already has an evil heart.

black magic = kufr
For black magic a person has to get the assistance of the Shayateen and other evil jinn, and the jinn are not giving them the service for free. They have to pay a price for the service and this payment is a sinful act and acts the put you outside Islam such as dancing on Qur'an, eating haram filthy food, or committing some from of shirk.

salam
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River
post May 5 2008, 05:35 AM
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Thank all of you for these posts.

May I ask about those that can communicate with humans that have died? I have seen some pretty convincing shows on this.

Do some people co-exist with the Jinns, or are these people communicating to another dimension than where the Jinns live.

I can attest to the dogs seeing the Jinns, I have witnessed this...
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Ruk
post May 14 2008, 03:46 AM
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Praise be to Allah (The Exalted and Glorified).

1) "May I ask about those that can communicate with humans that have died?":

This statement is not correct. No one can communicate with the dead. Most persons claiming as such are frauds and the rest communicate with the jinn or "qareen" of the deceased.

2) What is the Qareen?

Every human has a jinn companion throughout his or her life, which is called the qareen. The qareen is different from other jinn, because it specifically stays with its human host throughout the life of the human, by shadowing the person. The man has a male qareen and the woman has a female companion. This life involves man being tested by Allah (The Exalted). The qareen is evil (a shaytaan) and whispers for man to commit sins and disobey Allah. Therefore, it is part of the trial in this life that every individual must overcome and not engage in the evil temptations of his constant companion. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) also had a qareen, but Allah made him become a Muslim:

Ibn Mas’ood said:
The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “There is not one of you who does not have a jinn appointed to be his constant companion.” They said, ‘And you too, O Messenger of Allah?’ He said, “Me too, but Allah has helped me and he has submitted, so that he only helps me to do good.” [Muslim no. 2814]

The Believer suppresses his qareen by obeying Allah and adhering to His religion, until the qareen becomes weak and unable to stop the Believer from doing good, except what Allah Wills. The sinner, by his disobedience and evil actions, gives his shaytaan the strength to encourage him to do evil and discourage him from doing good. The Believer has to fear Allah and strive against his qareen, by obeying Allah and His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). It is wisdom and insight in a Believer to realize that the qareen of other individuals may succeed in causing that person to falter at any moment. Therefore, the Muslim should not place himself or his children in a vulnerable position, alone with other individuals, which may lead to being harmed. After the human counterpart dies, it is possible for the qareen to still live on, considering that jinns naturally live longer than humans. The Muslim should be aware of his constant companion as much as possible and resist his sinful temptations.
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abukhaleel
post May 15 2008, 08:56 PM
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jinn..made froy...thus their food is bad/sinful thoughts...starving them woulkd mean avoiding bad thoughts/feelings/emotions....rasoolullah starved his qareen and he gave in to become a muslim...abnout qareen living long after the person's deaath..i kniow not..salaam.
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descendant-of-the-prophet
post May 15 2008, 10:41 PM
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jinn..made froy...thus their food is bad/sinful thoughts...starving them woulkd mean avoiding bad thoughts/feelings/emotions....rasoolullah starved his qareen and he gave in to become a muslim...abnout qareen living long after the person's deaath..i kniow not..salaam.



how do u strave ur qareen??,.......please reply
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River
post May 16 2008, 02:42 AM
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QUOTE(Ruk @ May 13 2008, 08:46 PM) *
Praise be to Allah (The Exalted and Glorified).

1) "May I ask about those that can communicate with humans that have died?":

This statement is not correct. No one can communicate with the dead. Most persons claiming as such are frauds and the rest communicate with the jinn or "qareen" of the deceased.



We now have scientific evidence to prove that we CAN and DO communicate with humans that have died.

This is supported by the Quran here:

55:33
Khalifa
O you jinns and humans, if you can penetrate the outer limits of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and penetrate. You cannot penetrate without authorization.

so those with authorization CAN and DO talk to those who are ALIVE but no longer living with US here in the flesh
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Ruk
post May 16 2008, 03:52 AM
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Praise be to ALLAH (The Exalted and Glorified).

1) Firstly, the qareen of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) became a MUSLIM as mentioned in the hadith. In which it CLEARLY states that Allah (The Exalted) made the qareen into a MUSLIM.


2) The following verse of the Qur'an: “O ye assembly of Jinns and Men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the Earth, pass ye! Not without authority shall ye be able to pass!” [55:33]

This challenge is from Allah (The Exalted and Glorified). It is directed to all who will be gathered on the Day of Resurrection and the heavens will be split apart. Angels will descend from all of the heavens and encircle the resurrected. Allah will challenge the sinful to escape judgment, if they can. They will not be able to escape as they will not have the ability to do so with the angels besieging and encircling them from all sides. In explanation of this verse of the Qur’an, Ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy on him) said, “Meaning that you cannot escape Allah’s Power and predestination, which are everywhere around you. You cannot escape Allah’s Power or break away from His authority or ruling on you. On the Day of Resurrection, wherever you go, you will be surrounded on all sides by seven rows of angels. No one can pass beyond the zones ‘without authority’ i.e. an order from Allah. Verse ten of Surat Al-Qiyamah, the Resurrection, says (interpretation of the meaning): “That Day will Man say: ‘Where is the refuge?’ By no means! No place of safety! Before thy Lord (alone), that Day will be the place of rest” [75:10-12].”

3) A person can communicate with the dead through a true dream only. People who claim otherwise are dealing with jinn or are frauds. When a person dies they enter Al-Barzakh. Al-Barzakh is the interval between death and the Day of Resurrection. We know about this stage from the hadith and verses of the Qur’an. The deceased person in Al-Barzakh can be likened to one who is sleeping. The one who is asleep may be dreaming, and thereby seeing, hearing, traveling, and experiencing various emotions whilst asleep, yet to onlookers the person asleep is simply laying still in bed. Similarly, Al-Barzakh is an interval that exists among the portents of the unseen world, which we, the living, cannot comprehend with our eyes or our ears.
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River
post May 16 2008, 05:48 AM
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QUOTE(Ruk @ May 15 2008, 08:52 PM) *
Praise be to Allah (The Exalted and Glorified).

1) Firstly, the qareen of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) became a MUSLIM as mentioned in the hadith. In which it CLEARLY states that Allah (The Exalted) made the qareen into a MUSLIM.
2) The following verse of the Qur'an: “O ye assembly of Jinns and Men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the Earth, pass ye! Not without authority shall ye be able to pass!” [55:33]

This challenge is from Allah (The Exalted and Glorified). It is directed to all who will be gathered on the Day of Resurrection and the heavens will be split apart. Angels will descend from all of the heavens and encircle the resurrected. Allah will challenge the sinful to escape judgment, if they can. They will not be able to escape as they will not have the ability to do so with the angels besieging and encircling them from all sides. In explanation of this verse of the Qur’an, Ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy on him) said, “Meaning that you cannot escape Allah’s Power and predestination, which are everywhere around you. You cannot escape Allah’s Power or break away from His authority or ruling on you. On the Day of Resurrection, wherever you go, you will be surrounded on all sides by seven rows of angels. No one can pass beyond the zones ‘without authority’ i.e. an order from Allah. Verse ten of Surat Al-Qiyamah, the Resurrection, says (interpretation of the meaning): “That Day will Man say: ‘Where is the refuge?’ By no means! No place of safety! Before thy Lord (alone), that Day will be the place of rest” [75:10-12].”

3) A person can communicate with the dead through a true dream only. People who claim otherwise are dealing with jinn or are frauds. When a person dies they enter Al-Barzakh. Al-Barzakh is the interval between death and the Day of Resurrection. We know about this stage from the hadith and verses of the Qur’an. The deceased person in Al-Barzakh can be likened to one who is sleeping. The one who is asleep may be dreaming, and thereby seeing, hearing, traveling, and experiencing various emotions whilst asleep, yet to onlookers the person asleep is simply laying still in bed. Similarly, Al-Barzakh is an interval that exists among the portents of the unseen world, which we, the living, cannot comprehend with our eyes or our ears.



We have scientific PROOF that it is possible to communicate with those who are ALIVE but not in the FLESH.

Perhaps there are MORE explanations to the verse I have quoted than what you currently accept as truth, given the scientific PROOF.

If you do not accept the proof that science has demonstrated, I can not force you to believe it. But I have witnessed this proof, and it is recored for you if you choose to investigate it for your ownself.

Therefore, the verse I have quoted for you, covers this as a acceptable means of communication with those who are not in this universe any longer but have crossed over into another heaven and earth that co-exists with ours here.

It is a fact, yet many do not have the courage to accept it, and they will be those that the Quran describes as staring in horror when this coexistance is proven for all the world to see.

I suggest that you investigate this for yourself, as it is where you will go when you leave your body, it is where the angels will hopefully will tenderly take your soul from your body when it is no longer useful for you.

Think about this for your own good...
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abukhaleel
post Jun 26 2008, 04:56 AM
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how do u strave ur qareen??,.......please reply

salaam:
this is absolutely my own opinion that i fromed from personal experiences...i have no supporting hadeeth for what i said but....
as said in the quran...."kaana min aljinn f fasaqa a'n amr rabbih"...was from the jinn, THUS (iblees)deviated from his Lord's orders/commands....
then at another place the quran tells us...jinn are made from "maarijin min naar"...maarij is the tiny speck of a lit/particle that escapes/rushes upwards from the source of fire...often more maarijins when wet wood id burned....
anyway all this and the fact that man was created from dry mud later turned into wet myer...i concluded that jinn is made from energy and man from matter....
and emotions/sentiments/thoughts are all energy...nothing material/tangible about them...so the filthy jinn's food would be filthy emotions/feelings/thoughts...avoid them...inhibit them as soon as they raise their head in your brains and slowly, overtime and constant effort of keeping those filthy thoughts/emotions/sentiments at bay.... the 'qareen' would starve...then he would play tricks like.."ok this guy is not heeding to direct manipulation, let's try the indirect, and will advise fasting...nafal fasting......but while the nafal fast is supposed to be kept a secret, it would, that is the qareen would coaz it's human partner to tell others of his/her nafal fast..that way the qareen would get some nourishemnt....
in the hadeeth quoted above about rasoolullah's qareen accepting islam... the exact words are, "i (rasoolullah)kept him hungry for so long that now he only advises me good/right"
i hope i wrote undertsandably
salaam.
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abukhaleel
post Jun 26 2008, 10:07 AM
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The interpretation is purely mine…have no hadeeth to support my insinuations however

In the quran is stated,”kaana min aljinni, f fasaq a’n amri rabbih”(…suraa kahaf/cave)

Meaning…he was(iblees/devil) from among the jinn ,THUS he deviated from his Lord’s command/order…

At another place is stated in the quran that,jinn were created from ,”maarijin min naar”(suraa rahmaan)….maarij is that tiny lit/burning speck of fire that escapes, rather shoots out and away from fire…especially if the wood being burned is wet there are more maarijins…

Then the root for the word shaitaan…is shatanaah…meaning “going away/further from originality/truth”…and he was given this title when he :

1.denied orders

2.expressed vanity in allah’s presence

3. blamed allah for his own mistakes

4 .asked for time to be evil and connive against adam and his children..

allah had then said to iblees…you are some one who goes away from truth and allah added the punishment of ‘rajeem’…kicked out/thrown away…

then as it is said man is made of matter….i concluded from all the above that jinn was made of energy…and since emotions/sentiments/thoughts are all energy and nothing tangible/material then the qareen must get it’s food from the filth the human partner imagines/feels/thinks and keeping such filthy thoughts/emotions/sentiments at bay would starve the qareen…

because in the hadeeth quoted above about rasoolullah’s qareen’s conversion…the complete statement of alaih assalaatu v assalaam is, “I kept him hungry for so long that he starved to submission and accepted islam….and now only advises me of good/right”…

however a converted qareen could still find filthy thoughts and emotions ,nourishing example..it converts due to starvation(starvation caused by it’s human partner hindering his negative emotions/sentiments/thoughts from rolling around in his’

/her skull…stopping them as soon as they raise their head in one’s perception……….over a long period of time)

this converted qareen, craving for filthy nourishment, could advise it’s human partner to fast..the nafal fast..the nafal fast which is to be kept a secret from any other human…then the qareen operates , to create filth of thought/emotion/sentiment by coaxing the human partner to tell others of his/her nafal fast….

I hope I wrote undertsnadably…power/electric shutdowns in pak make it difficult to state/express well enough on the net…salaam.

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twoswordali
post Jun 26 2008, 10:39 AM
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Praise be to ALLAH (The Exalted and Glorified).
2) The following verse of the Qur'an: “O ye assembly of Jinns and Men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the Earth, pass ye! Not without authority shall ye be able to pass!” [55:33]



ASA


Also brother this verse can be talking about material and spirtual. You cannot pass the zones of the heavens( the spiritual)and earth(material). Meaning that no man or jinn can achieve spiritual or material wealth whitout athority from ALLAH. What are the zones of spiritiual, well look at the Prophet Muhammad he passed those zones when he recieved revelation, when he went on his night journey, when Gabriel came to visit him the authority was given to Muhammad, Also in the zones of the earth(the material) Look how much of the earth came to Islam from Allah through the Prophet Muhammad, Allah said that he is a mercy for all of mankind, so Muhammad (pbuh) passed the zone on the material world to help shape it better with Islam.

However Allah says that he is a man just like you, meaning that it is possible to achieve spritual and material wealth as well, but you will never reach or become a Prophet because Muhammad was the last one. Its saying that if you think you can pass beyound the spiritual and material then pass, Not without authority Shall you be able to pass!! So if you think that you can get material and spiritual wealth without following Allah and his Prophet then go ahead go for it, You will never achieve correct material and spiritual without Allah, I believe we see this type of behaviour amongst some Muslims, Christians, and Jews, who have material wealth, and a form of religion however they are far from the path.
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abukhaleel
post Jun 27 2008, 09:15 PM
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Also brother this verse can be talking about material and spirtual. You cannot pass the zones of the heavens( the spiritual)and earth(material). Meaning that no man or jinn can achieve spiritual or material wealth whitout athority from ALLAH. What are the zones of spiritiual, well look at the Prophet Muhammad he passed those zones when he recieved revelation, when he went on his night journey, when Gabriel came to visit him the authority was given to Muhammad, Also in the zones of the earth(the material) Look how much of the earth came to Islam from Allah through the Prophet Muhammad, Allah said that he is a mercy for all of mankind, so Muhammad (pbuh) passed the zone on the material world to help shape it better with Islam.

However Allah says that he is a man just like you, meaning that it is possible to achieve spritual and material wealth as well, but you will never reach or become a Prophet because Muhammad was the last one. Its saying that if you think you can pass beyound the spiritual and material then pass, Not without authority Shall you be able to pass!! So if you think that you can get material and spiritual wealth without following Allah and his Prophet then go ahead go for it, You will never achieve correct material and spiritual without Allah, I believe we see this type of behaviour amongst some Muslims, Christians, and Jews, who have material wealth, and a form of religion however they are far from the path.

salaam....i donot disagree with anything you wrote,rather agree 100%..but only wish to add,...omar razi allahu anhu clearly stated, "deen is not salaat/nimaaz and saum/roza, deen is mua'amlaah/dealings"....so wealth or no wealth, material or (so called)spiritual...if the claimant to islam is failing in his/her muaa'mlaat/dealings with others,(cheating,telling lies,being pretentious,playing games)then is not a muslim....and this is what is the root cause for our ummah failing for the last many centuries...muslims have considered that they can bribe allah with their salaat/nimaaz...roza/saum/fasting..zakat/sadaqa/charity and go on cheating,bribing,and breaching every and any social law of islam....no this wont pass, has not passed, can not pass as islam.....the hadeeth about the man whose beard and hair are loaded with dust and he cries for mercy at the door of ka.baa but his prayer is unheard/not heeded to by allah is clear that that man's clothes and the food in his belly are haraam..so how can his prayers be answered....this proves the statement of omar razi allahu anhu...that nimaz/salaat/saum/fasting/zakat/charity are only acceptable if the person's dealings with tohers are above board/honest/straight/earnest....
and the vast majority of long bearded imamah clad, or a'baya clad muslim folk are negating this very basic rule....they will go for haj and commence cheating, bribing, telling lies as soosn as they land back home....
only a very few are focused on mua'amlaat....and that focus is impossible without imaan of aakhira/resurrection and judgement day...
as long as the focus remains on the next month's salary,or the next business deal's income., or the next generation's comfortable living quarters...mua'amlaat will never mature to islamic status... salaam.
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mrhyder
post Jun 28 2008, 02:20 AM
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Thank all of you for these posts.

May I ask about those that can communicate with humans that have died? I have seen some pretty convincing shows on this.

Do some people co-exist with the Jinns, or are these people communicating to another dimension than where the Jinns live.

I can attest to the dogs seeing the Jinns, I have witnessed this...


Salaam Brother,

You said that you have witnessed your dog seeing jinns, are you sure its not the neighbours (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cat.gif) ? I was wondering what makes you think that, is it something in the dogs behavior..does he bark or how does he react?? Just curios, since i dont own a pet.

Thanks.
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