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| Abu Zakariyah |
Aug 4 2008, 01:26 PM
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Is touching the Mushaf permissible without wudu permissible for the purpose of reciation? Please provide relevent evidence from quran and sunnah. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/j.gif) |
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| twoswordali |
Aug 6 2008, 04:55 PM
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Just a thought, If the prophet was the walking Quran and people used to greet him and touch him kiss his hand or hold his beard never have i read where he asked them if they made wudu before shaking his hand or touching him. And in the sura 56 ayat 79 the word mutahharuna is purified ones the root word tahura or tahara means to be pure, clean, righteous, or speaking of a woman being free from her courses.
So none can touch it but the righteous ones or the clean or the purified, its quite obvious that muslims are clean people our daily habbits or rituals show that, we are hardly ever out of wudu most of the times. But to read the Quran and grasp some understanding you can only get that if your righteous not just clean cause anybody can make wudu but if you are pure in heart and righteous then you can touch it. And even the word touch in this ayat the word yamassawho in its root form it is massa which means to touch ,pass on, and hand on a thing without having anything in between,a smile. Now looking at hand on a thing without having anything in between and looking at what is given in the Quran, we cannot approach the Quran having anything bad in our intentions and pick it up and get good understanding, the Quran is protected you cant touch it you cant put your hand on it you cant grasp it unless you are pure, clean, righteous. So what am i saying im saying that you can pick up the Quran all you want and read it but if your not righteous, or pure ,or clean then you have someting that is inbetween you and the of the Quran and you cannot touch it or get the good that is in it for you are not righteous not pure not clean |
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| Mercyonmankind |
Aug 7 2008, 05:07 AM
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Just a thought, If the prophet was the walking Quran and people used to greet him and touch him kiss his hand or hold his beard never have i read where he asked them if they made wudu before shaking his hand or touching him. And in the sura 56 ayat 79 the word mutahharuna is purified ones the root word tahura or tahara means to be pure, clean, righteous, or speaking of a woman being free from her courses. So none can touch it but the righteous ones or the clean or the purified, its quite obvious that muslims are clean people our daily habbits or rituals show that, we are hardly ever out of wudu most of the times. But to read the Quran and grasp some understanding you can only get that if your righteous not just clean cause anybody can make wudu but if you are pure in heart and righteous then you can touch it. And even the word touch in this ayat the word yamassawho in its root form it is massa which means to touch ,pass on, and hand on a thing without having anything in between,a smile. Now looking at hand on a thing without having anything in between and looking at what is given in the Quran, we cannot approach the Quran having anything bad in our intentions and pick it up and get good understanding, the Quran is protected you cant touch it you cant put your hand on it you cant grasp it unless you are pure, clean, righteous. So what am i saying im saying that you can pick up the Quran all you want and read it but if your not righteous, or pure ,or clean then you have someting that is inbetween you and the of the Quran and you cannot touch it or get the good that is in it for you are not righteous not pure not clean Salam alaikum Well that's your opinion, maybe you should stick it, because it make sense.. On other hand as far i know most of the muslims would'nt recite quran if they don't have wudhu. But according to the below reported hadiths, it concludes that you can touch and recite quran if you don't have wudhu, but you can't touch or recite it if you are in major impurity(such after intercourse or semen discharge), ghusl required. Other reported says that you can't even touch Quran if you don't have wudhu let alone reciting. There are alot of opinions, the best thing you can do is choose what you think is right, i would prefer that you do wudhu and then recite it, if you can't find place to do wudhu then i don't think there is anything wrong to recite it as far you are not in major impurity, well that's my opinion and everyone have it's own opinion, but we have to accept one that make sense and does not contridict with others.. Well Allah swt knows best. May Allah swt forgive us all if we make wrong statement. Source:http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7699 QUOTE Volume 1, Page 52d: Touching or carrying the Qur'an The companions were all agreed that it is forbidden to touch or carry the Qur'an while one is in a state of impurity. There are some jurists, such as Dawud ibn Hazm, who allow the physically unclean person, whether because of sex or menstruation, to touch or carry the Qur'an, and they see nothing wrong with this. He derives his support from a hadith in the two Sahihs in which it is stated that the Prophet sent a letter to Heraclius saying, "In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful...O people of the book, come to a statement that is common between us and you, that we should worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords besides Allah. If they turn away, then say 'Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him)." (al'Imran 64). Ibn Hazm concludes, "This is the letter the Messenger of Allah wrote, containing this verse, to the Christians, and of course they touched it." The majority of scholars answer him by stating that one is allowed to touch parts of the Qur'an that are used in letters, books, tafsir, and so on, as such things are not copies of the Qur'an, nor is it confirmed that such an action is forbidden.
Volume 1, Page 53: Reciting the Qur'an According to most scholars, one who is physically unclean (because of sex or menstruation) may not recite any portion of the Qur'an. This is based on a hadith from 'Ali, in which he stated that nothing kept the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, from the Qur'an save being sexually impure. This is related by "the four." At-Tirmizhi graded it sahih. Says al-Hafez in al-Fath, "Some people declare some of its narrators weak. But, in fact, it is of the hassan class and it is satisfactory as a proof." He also related, "I saw the Messenger of Allah perform ablution and recite some of the Qur'an, after which he said, 'This is for the one who is not in post-sex impurity. If one is in post-sex impurity, he may not do so, not even one verse." Ahmad and Abu Ya'la related this hadith with that wording. With that wording, al-Haithami says, "Its narrators are trustworthy." Says ash-Shaukani, "If that (report) is authentic, that is proof enough that it is forbidden." The first hadith does not forbid it, for it just states that it was his practice not to recite the Qur'an while he was in post-sex impurity. Similar reports do not show that it is disliked. Therefore, how can it be used as a proof that it is forbidden?" Al-Bukhari, at-Tabarani, Dawud, and Ibn Hazm are of the opinion that it is permissible for one who is in post-sex impurity (or in menstruation) to recite the Qur'an. Says al-Bukhari, "Ibrahim said, 'There is no problem if a menstruating woman recites a verse.' Ibn 'Abbas did not see anything wrong with a sexually impure person reciting the Qur'an. The Prophet, upon whom be peace, used to mention Allah under all circumstances." In Ibn Hajr's notes to that work, he says, "There is no authentic hadith reported by the author (al-Bukhari) concerning the prohibition of reciting by one who is sexually impure or menstruating." The sum total of what has been related on this issue informs us on this point, though the interpretations differ. |
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| twoswordali |
Aug 7 2008, 10:15 AM
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Salam alaikum Well that's your opinion, maybe you should stick it, because it make sense.. On other hand as far i know most of the muslims would'nt recite quran if they don't have wudhu. But according to the below reported hadiths, it concludes that you can touch and recite quran if you don't have wudhu, but you can't touch or recite it if you are in major impurity(such after intercourse or semen discharge), ghusl required. Other reported says that you can't even touch Quran if you don't have wudhu let alone reciting. There are alot of opinions, the best thing you can do is choose what you think is right, i would prefer that you do wudhu and then recite it, if you can't find place to do wudhu then i don't think there is anything wrong to recite it as far you are not in major impurity, well that's my opinion and everyone have it's own opinion, but we have to accept one that make sense and does not contridict with others.. Well Allah swt knows best. May Allah swt forgive us all if we make wrong statement. Source:http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7699 ASA Hey brother im sorry if i was not clear but I do believe also that we should make wudu before reading the Quran its a ritual that has good meaning behind it. and lookking at the arabic words i also strongly believe that you cannot grasp any understanding unless you are rightetous whithin yourself(pure) and i also believe in the hadith you stated (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif) |
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| ahamed_sharif |
Aug 7 2008, 02:35 PM
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Assalamu alaykum
Imam Malik cites, as evidence, the Holy Prophet's letter in his Muwatta' which he wrot to amr Ibn Hazm. It contains the following statement "Laa yamassul Quraana illaa taahirun" "Only a clean one may touch the Quran". Ruhul Maani gives the following references: Musnad of Abdurrazzaq, Ibn Abi Dawud and Ibn-ulMundir, Tabarani and Ibn Marduyah record a tradition on the authority of Abdullah ibn Umar RA that the Messenger of Allah SAS said, "Only a clean one may touch the Quran. Some Rulings about touching the Holy Quran: 1. On the basis of the foregoing Prophetic ahadeeth, the overwhelming majority of the Ummah and the four major schools concur that purity is a condition for the permissibility of touching the Holy Quran and it is not allowed to touch it in a state of impurity. It means that before touching the Holy Quran, one must make sure that no najasah (things declared by Shariah as filth) is attached to one's hand, and that he or she is in state of wurdu and is not in the state of Janabah (the state in which it is obligatory to take bath). 2. If the Quran is in a cover which is sewn or permanently attached to it in some way, it is not permitted - according to the four major schools - for an unclean person to touch it without ablutions. If however the Quran is covered in something that is not permanently attached to it, an unclean person may, according to Imam Abu Haneefah Ra, touch it without ablutions. However, according to Imams Malik and Shafaee, an unclean person is not permitted to touch it before taking ablutions. [Mazhari] 3. If a person is wearing a garment, it is not lawful for him to touch the Quran with his sleeves or skirt if he is unclean. However he may touch it with a handkerchief or a sheet [mazhari] 4.A person in the state of Janabah and a woman in the state of menstruation or postpartum bleeding cannot recite quran, even from memory until bath has been taken, because if it is obligatory to honour the written letters of the Holy Quran by touching them only in the state of purity, its spoken words deserve the same honour with greater importance. From the commentary of verse 56:79 And Allah knows best |
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| twoswordali |
Aug 7 2008, 05:10 PM
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Brother one question comes to mind, if none can physicaly touch the Quran with out washing then why when the Prophet sent letters to kings and rulers who were not Muslims the letters began with the Quran "In the name of Allah ....." Why were they permitted to even touch a letter with the Quran scribed on it if none can touch it literaly??? |
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