Peace everyone,

I've semi-retreated from the political front of late, however I wish to rectify that in style. I couldn't quite put my finger on what triggered the desire, but I want to celebrate the life of an individual who's name has been tarnished by the West to such an extent that people immediately think, "EVIL", or "SADIST" or other completely undeserved title. Adolf Hitler was a man who stood by what he believed was right and he took those beliefs with him right to the end. In my obituary of Herr Hitler I would first like to give a summary of just why he was such a brilliant leader, and then I will address the unfounded criticisms that Herr Hitler has been exposed to by the Western Media.

There have been few occasions in the history of time, that one comparitively tiny nation such as Germany had been attacked by not one, not two but ALL of the most powerful countries on earth - at the same time I might add - and managed to actually severely dent the military wings of those nations. Just for that he deserves credit for his bravery and commitment, but further we need to actually examine how it came to be that Hitler came to be at war with most of the world, as Western hypocrites often shift the blame for their own evils onto Hitler and re-write history as they see fit.

World War Two did not begin in Germany, in fact its roots were formed at the end of the First World War with the Treaty of Versailles. (The treaty that ended WW1) . This treaty humiliated the poor Germans and divided up their country much as the British did in the middle east. Parts of Germany were cruelly divided up among the conquerors and given to other countries. Namely: Czecheslovakia, Poland, France, Russia. Furthermore there were not only economic sanctions placed on the Germans; Germany also had to pay enormous reperations (sums of money) to the West starting in 1918. These reperations were so massive that even if Germany had been able to pay them, she would not have finished paying them off until the 1980's! The blockade of German trade by the 'Allies' led to the Spanish Flu epidemic which killed hundreds of thousands of German women and children, the important fact to remember here is that this epidemic could only have happened given the terrible nutritional intake Germans had as a result of the Allied sanctions. The Germans were trodden down into the dirt and humiliated by the West even further when France decided to invade the Ruhr in Germany when the German Government couldn't afford to pay the French any more money. This caused the collapse of the German economy as hyper-inflation took hold causing thousands to starve and drove the population to the point of civil war. Fighting in the streets was commonplace as Communists fought Fascists, and the weak Democrats watched idly on, powerless to stop the country turning into a bloodbath.

It was during this time that a former First World War veteran, who had earned the Iron Cross first and second class for bravery while fighting in WW1, came to lead a small but committed group of political and social reformists known as the National Socialist German Workers Party. This party believed in getting honest and fair values back into Germany. They believed in renouncing the evil and unfair Treaty of Versailles which had caused so much suffering in Germany, in giving fair conditions for all Germans and most of all they believed in liberating the German peoples who had been shamelessly divided up between the victorious countries at the end of WW1. It wasn't long before this veteran, Adolf Hitler, showed his leadership potential by becoming head of the National Socialist party and he ultimately worked hard into political office as the Fuhrer (leader) of Germany.

Hitler performed an 'economic miracle' in Germany. While the rest of the world was suffering from depression, Hitler's Governments economic policies helped millions of poor Germans back into work, created the world famous 'autobahn' network of motorways and led the world in scientific developments such as rockets and aircraft. The West was not pleased with Hitlers progress. Western nations in their greed were not at all happy when Hitler decided to just 'stop' paying back the unfair reperations that had been imposed on Germany. They were even less pleased when Hitler decided to unite the German areas which had been stolen from Germany at the end of the First World War. Crowds in their hundreds of thousands greeted German troops as they marched into the Rhineland, Austria, into the Sudetenland in Czecheslovakia, and into the bordering regions of Poland. So how did it come to pass that Germany ended up at war with the West?

The reason is simple. When Hitler decided to re-unify Poland and Germany, the British and French conspired to stop Germany from taking back what was rightfully hers, presumably because of Polands strategic shipbuilding capability and their own greed. Despite the many thousands of happy German/Poles, the British and French declared war on Germany for taking land that was rightfully German. What Western hypocrites fail to mention on every occasion is that Germany did not start the Second World War, Britain and France declared war on Germany! Hitler merely defended his country.

During this time, many journalists met Hitler. All recognised his genius. Far from being terrified of the Western military power, he took everything they could throw at him in his stride. Indeed his Generals conceived the 'Blitzkreig' strategy of warfare, and this was used to not just defend against the French and British, but to defeat them time and time again. Indeed the Wehrmacht (German Army) fought their way right to the English Channel to prevent further reinforcements coming from Britain. However it should not be thought that Hitler was heartless in battle. He personally ordered that the fleeing British troops should not be slaughtered when they reached Dunkirk, such was his compassion for human life that he permitted them to escape back to Britain.

So what do the Western media blame Hitler for that make people think he was 'all bad'? Well for a start they lie that he engineered some kind of 'holocaust' against the Jews. Anybody familiar with the Iran Summit will know that this was grossly exaggerated and largely untrue. The so-called 'death camps' were merely prison camps with a larger than normal death rates due to the fact Germany was under attack from almost every direction! (It's hard to feed prisoners when you can't feed your own soldiers!)

Other criticisms of Hitler call him a warmonger. I ask you, what kind of warmonger subsidises holidays for the poor, and creates the best healthcare system and social network Germany had ever seen at that point? Besides, Hitler only ever declared war when he was helping his allies the Japanese (vs America) and when he pre-emptively attacked the USSR. It's a well known fact that the Russians were prepared to invade Germany had Germany not scuppered their plans by attacking first.

It is in that light that I want to commemorate on of Europe's finest leaders. A mere man who stood up to the terrorism of the West, a man who stood by what he believed in until the end, a man who has for the last 60 years had lies and half-truths told about him. Ultimately a man we have no right in criticising in his death. We do not know what he was thinking in the last moments in his bunker, he may have been thinking of his wife, of his country or he may even have converted to Islam! As such it is a tragedy that so many arrogant and brainwashed persons choose to criticise Hitler when in fact, they know nothing of his life or what he did. Hitler was a martyr to the cause of self-determination and a truly Great Leader.

Those familiar with history (looking at you Livius) will no doubt appreciate my point and appreciate it entirely.

Eoin

(IMG:http://www.gawaher.com/style_emoticons/default/sl.gif) dear muslims

Hmm, my knowledge of this barley scratched the service.

Obviously I'm not supporting Hitler, but i do see what he did (before the war) was a great success for Germany.



Yeah i remember once watching on History Channel that Russian Tank divisions were close to their Oil Fields, but the Narrator left at that. Then continued to say how Germany attacked USSR without declaring war.

Goods stuff, should be an interesting debate

Let your keyboard cool down for a minute and then please do Sadam next (IMG:http://www.gawaher.com/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Peace Crystal Sword,



Hardly worth supporting him now anyway, he's been dead a while! Though I feel I should elaborate on his successes a bit more. Am I correct in thinking that the only reason you'd have to criticise Hitler would be the completely negative reports in the Western media? (Bear in mind one shouldn't criticise the dead!) The way Hitler turned Germany around was not only amazing, it was so unexpected that the West didn't know how to react. Here were the Americans and British, with millions unemployed, economies entirely stagnant - while National Socialist Germany had full employment and Hitler was leading the world with social reforms. Did you know that the car company, "Volkswagon", was originally created under Hitler's orders? 'Volks wagon' literally means 'People's car'. Hitler had sanctioned the first design of automobile which was affordable for everybody, not just the rich and famous as was the case in the Western societies in which everybody was supposedly 'equal'! As a Muslim you'd no doubt support, perhaps even envy the childrens upbringing in National Socialist Germany! Hitler created the organisation known as the 'Hitler Youth'. This organisation (not actually named by Hitler, rather by an admiring politician) segregated males and females and gave them useful and exciting training such as camping, flying gliders, public social work such as helping build public buildings and repair roads/bridges, rifle shooting in aid of the defence of the Reich and sports and healthy exercise. Compare that to the squalor children in the US/UK had to endure, mixed with unhealthy diets and attitudes, not to mention snobbish attitudes that the rich have towards the poor in those countries!

I'm always amazed by those that criticise Hitler because never do they mention anything good he ever achieved! Everybody mentioned so called 'death-camps', how many mention the subsidisation of Lufthansa (German national airline) flights so the poor could afford holidays in the Baltic tropics? How many mention the relative prosperity and discipline which took hold of the country under his leadership? All one ever hears are criticisms from Zionists complaining about alledged atrocities against Jews. (How can anybody take these criticisms sincerely given the way Israeli's hypocritically slaughter the Palestinians?) Hitler was the closest Europe got to having a moral leadership. Open homosexuals were interned in camps so they could not spread their deceitful and hypocritical lies amongst the population. Communists trying to overthrow the natural order of rewarding hard working individuals were deported or interned.

When you hear criticism of Hitler, just think of who that criticism is coming from. You could compare it to criticism of the Taliban or Saddam Hussein. Why should anybody listen to criticism coming from those who have a political agenda to fulfill? If somebody hated Nazi Germany, look at their motives - not what they say.

Eoin

Peace



Everyone knows that Hitler never did anything wrong...theyre all lies....they lied about him just as they lie now about Saddam hussein.

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Good to see sarcasm being used to its full potential (IMG:http://www.gawaher.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Zing!!! Kudos!!! (IMG:http://www.gawaher.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.gawaher.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Of course, this is now likely to get a few people who will support Hitler the same way the do Hussein. Atleast that will put things in perspective.

3 cheers for Adolf!
Those damn Westerners. Their hypocrisy has no limits (IMG:http://www.gawaher.com/style_emoticons/default/no.gif)

Absolutely!
You're damn skippy!


Apparently you didn't (IMG:http://www.gawaher.com/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif)

Why did you forget to mention mein fuhrer's masterpiece, aka, Mein Kampf?

BUT, addy didn't die like a man (IMG:http://www.gawaher.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You would've been brilliant with Monty Python.

Sieg Heil (IMG:http://www.gawaher.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Sure he did. He refused to let the occupiers (or invaders, whichever you prefer) use him as a propaganda tool. He valiantly gave up his own life (and that of his new wife) so that the pride of Germany could remain intact. He even had his body burned so that they could not defile it. That was truly brave of him.

I wish I was knowledgable about Power Point. This thread has made me want to create a slide show of pictures of Hitler showing what a great leader he was and how he loved his people.. Maybe have "Candle in the Wind" playing in the background? Can anyone help me out with this?

Peace Livius,

Nice choice! I had been thinking some kind of mix of Bonnie Tyler - 'Holding Out for a Hero' mixed in with 'Deutschland Uber Alles' but that's probably more appropriate for discussions about His life rather than His passing. I did find some appropriate pictures though!

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Sieg Heil zman,



Hip hip Hurrah!

Out of interest why do you think it is that when a Great Leader like Hitler or Pol Pot is remembered, that there is always such skepticism over that leaders brilliance?

Salaams
well well..what do we have here.
My kinda party (IMG:http://www.gawaher.com/style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

And now I'll pay my respect.

He was a peaceful man...wait
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He was a peaceful man, honest,humble and humane.
A gentle human, yet a great leader and warrior who broke all racial barriers
through his charity, charm and chiseled face.
One of a Kind , and unique (mustache).
May Addy's innocent soul rest in peace.
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Amen

( let's do Bush next (IMG:http://www.gawaher.com/style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) )

This post has been edited by llogical: Jan 9 2007, 10:57 AM

hey its not Hitler's fault that the Jews refused to eat while staying at his concentration "resorts". I think they went on a hunger strike because there was a lack of fresh towels in their rooms and they died........


Anyways....someone do Bush......my favourite leader, I just adore him.

Beyond doubt. This great nation produced many miraculous figures during WWII. I agree Hitler was the one to take Germany sky high, but he is equally responsible for the downfall of great Germans. His strategically wrong decisions led Germans to face humiliating defeats in the end. He was a dictator, who won't listen to his closest aides. Several times he was given logical suggestions by his generals, but he didn't accept. He ordered murder of his own generals, who had brought him unbelieveable victories, to mention only FM Rommel (Desert Fox), his most beloved commander, who was feared the most by the Allies, had to face death on Hitler's orders.

Hitler alone is responsible for making wrong decisions, which proved to be strategic blunders at a later stage and ultimately brought the great nation to its knees.

Agreed with this... Hitler is responsible for making Germany great but also for making it suffer.

Hi Eoin,

I'm still confused.

In what paragraph I can find stories bout Hitler making negotiations or holding talks with the "bad guys" at a time when he had chance to crush them and subsequently gave them some priviliges?

Eoin, wherever you live, what will your country do if a group of Muslims or some ethnic groups living in your country try to form their own country and attack the govt?


Wassalam,
Yasnov

Peace Eoin,

First off, I'd like to salute you for that amazing piece of penmanship.

As for your question (regarding Hitler), it depends on what part of the world you reside in. In Europe, the overwhelming majority of the populace will only think of his atrocities and disregard his "brilliance," and accomplishments. A minority in the West actually voice their approval of such people. More won't do so, maybe out of fear of being demonized by the media, or loss of Job, peer pressure, etc. But I would tend to think that there are a substantial number around, but are too afraid to express their views openly.

Maybe that's the way they were taught/indoctrinated (like how the US/Allies, put in place a German educational curriculum that consitituted a mass population indoctrination in a new way of thinking. As we did with the Japanese after their loss in WWII, but now they're becoming very patriotic again, and have made their defense department into a full ministry.

So far, I've witnessed that people from other continents (outside of Europe and North America), think more highly of Hitler, and tend to mention his accimplishments and flaws in the same breath.

On the other side you have the "democrasies." You'll have people such as FDR, Truman, LBJ, Nixon, Churchill, Blair and Bush, to name a few. There, people will overlook their atrocities, Just because they're Westerners, Christian, and from democratic nations, or don't air your dirty laundry to the public, or the "us against them" mentality, or Just plane hypocrisy. But if you go to other parts of the world, their negatives will be more highlighted than their positives (because those people have only experienced the negatives).

Your views will be shaped diferently, when you're on the receiving end of the bombs and atrocities being pepetrated against you.

As for Pol Pot, I have to admit that all I know is that he butchered his people, and destroyed his country. I have no knowledge of any positive contributions that he may have made to his nation. I welcome any new info regarding that.

As for Saddam, Many Arabs had hated him for what he did to his people, surrounding neighbors and the workers from Arab states, who resided in Iraq. But all that was forgotten due to the way that he was taunted then hung on an Islamic holy day. The way he was shown being pulled out of a hole in the ground, with US troops standing above him like he was a carcas of an animal, recently killed. Or the way his 2 sons were put on display to the public, with their bodies dissected and enbalmed (which is against Islamic law). People will not forget those images, and will continue to believe that this wasn't Just an affront to Saddam, but to the entire Iraqi nation, to all Arabs and Muslims.

I wonder if you recall how the Argentine troops treated captured British troops on the Falklands. The way they were forced to lay on the ground, face down, humiliated. The British papers made that into an act that was directed towards the entire British people, and they mobilised British outrage over that very act. Or how Saddam trotted the captured American airmen in front of the cameras during the first Gulf War, and the US said that was against the Geneva Convention.

Compare those images with those of Saddam in captivity, his sons on display, the Iraqi's in Abu Ghraib, the Guantanamo detainees in orange Jump suites, chains, blackened goggles, ear muffs, and gloves, so they may be constantly deprived of any form of sensation. Or the Afghans, etc. Do you see the similarities and the outrage?

How would the Brits or Americans react if they saw Blair or Bush being taunted and hung like that?

Those very acts unify people, and make them stand shoulder-to-shoulder. Because it's perceived as a collective slap in the face and a national shame.

So the people who perpetrated that act (hanging Saddam in that manner) must bear the responsibility for this outcome.

Lastly, I truly hope that you don't retire from the political front. It would be a great loss...

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Execution Sparks Arab Support For Saddam

NADIA ABOU EL-MAGD
Monday, January 8, 2007
AP


CAIRO, Egypt -- After Saddam Hussein's execution, a wave of sympathy and support for the former Iraqi dictator swept the Arab world, with some proclaiming him a martyr and comparing him to heroes of Arab nationalism.


Praise for Saddam has only grown since his Dec. 30 hanging -- when he answered insults and taunts with disdain -- overshadowing the memories among many quarters of the atrocities committed by his regime.


The independent Egyptian newspaper Al-Karama splashed Saddam's photo over a full page Monday, with an Iraqi flag behind him, declaring him an "Arab martyr."


"He lived as hero, died as a man," another Egyptian opposition newspaper, Al-Osboa, proclaimed in a headline, showing a photo of Saddam at the gallows.


The praise has angered the governments of Iraq and Kuwait, which Saddam's soldiers invaded in 1990. On Monday, Kuwaiti lawmakers denounced Arab countries where Saddam has been lauded as a hero and demanded the government reconsider ties and financial aid to them.


Indignation over the execution in the Sunni Arab world has increased resentment of the United States and Iraq's Shiite-led government. It could fuel support for Iraq's Sunni Arab insurgency and complicate U.S. efforts to enlist Arab nations in efforts to reconcile Iraq's warring Sunni and Shiite communities.


In large part, it was the unruly scene at the gallows that catapulted Saddam to hero's status. In video footage smuggled out of the execution room, Shiite executioners are heard shouting curses at Saddam -- who stands erect, and smiles contemptuously. "Is this manly?" he retorts.


Another leaked video -- this one showing Saddam Hussein's corpse with a gaping neck wound minutes after the hanging -- was posted on the Internet early Tuesday.


"A new film of the late immortal martyr, President Saddam Hussein," the web site said in a headline over a link to the video, apparently taken with a camera phone.


The latest video is likely to add to the anger generated by the original, which has come to symbolize dignified Sunni Arab resistance in the face of humiliation at the hands of a Shiite government. Some Arabs regard that government as illegitimate because it is backed by the U.S. military presence and closely allied to mainly Shiite Iran.


Some media reports compared Saddam to another hero of Arab nationalism against Western domination: Omar al-Mokhtar, the leader of resistance against Italy's military occupation of Libya, who was executed by hanging in 1931.


Egypt's nationalist weekly newspaper Al-Arabi published a cartoon Sunday showing an open book with pictures of Saddam and al-Mokhtar on facing pages.


The reaction was in contrast to the shock that followed Saddam's capture by U.S. troops in December 2003. At the time, Saddam was shown bearded and bedraggled in photos as he was pulled out of a hole by U.S. troops.


The images sparked debate across the Middle East. Many pointed out his weakness in the face of U.S. forces, and over the years that followed, Arab media dealt more frankly with the mass killings carried out by Saddam's regime. Languishing in U.S. custody, Saddam faded into irrelevance, and coverage of his trial waned in Arab media.


But after the execution, even some Arabs critical of Saddam said he had achieved a heroic status, despite his record of crimes and atrocities.


"Five sublime minutes at the hanging rope created the myth," columnist Abdel-Halim Qandil wrote in Al-Karama. "The story of Saddam the bloody dictator was over, replaced by Saddam's image similar to Omar al-Mokhtar."


Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a U.S. ally, suggested the execution could worsen the situation in Iraq.


"It was disgraceful and very painful," Mubarak said in an interview with Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot. "They (the Iraqi government) have made him into a martyr, while the problems within Iraq remain."


On Saturday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki denounced other governments for criticizing the execution, accusing them of meddling in Iraqi affairs.


But the execution deepened opposition in the Arab world -- where the majority of the population are Sunni Muslims -- against Iraq's Shiite-led government.


Many also blamed the United States, which handed Saddam over for execution -- even though U.S. officials said they tried to persuade al-Maliki to postpone the hanging and later criticized the way it was carried out.


On Friday, hundreds in the Egyptian capital demonstrated after prayers at al-Azhar Mosque, chanting against the United States and allied Arab governments, expressing support for the Iraqi insurgency.


In Jordan, columnist Ibrahim Jaber Ibrahim lashed out at the Iraqi prime minister, deriding him as "Emperor al-Maliki, standing on a precious Persian carpet" -- a reference to the Iraqi Shiites' close ties Persian Iran.


Talal Salman, publisher of the Lebanese daily As-Safir, warned that the al-Maliki government's "vindictiveness, political blindness and shortsightedness ... are establishing divisions that will spare no one, whether in Iraq or in the territories around it, including all the Arabs."


Still, some voices in the Arab media insisted Saddam's crimes should not be ignored.


"One can't but be surprised at shameful Arab weeping (for Saddam) ... glorifying him and considering him a hero and martyr," wrote Palestinian writer Khaled al-Horoub in the United Arab Emirates daily Al-Itihad on Monday.


He warned that other Arab dictators will manage "to hide (their) crimes behind volatile speeches that stir up people's feelings but destroy their present and future."


Sami Moubayed wrote in the daily Oman Times, that he "tried hard" to sympathize with Saddam while watching the execution. "But I could not find a single thing worth praising about Saddam."


"However, the fact that he was executed under the watchful eye of the United States, at a time when Iraq is occupied, makes him a national hero to the Arabs," he wrote.

If thats all it takes for a nation to forget 20 odd years of being ruled by a ruthless, barbaric dictator, then I pity them.

Atleast they knew how ruthless their Arab leader... they r much better than the Western population who are not even aware of the aristocracies committed by their countries.

Really...Who told you that?