People of The Book" & The Muslims
Posted 06 November 2004 - 05:25 AM
People of The Book" & The Muslims
The Natural Alliance Between Christianity, Judaism and Islam
Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance. Today, however, some circles have been presenting a false image of Islam, as if there were conflict between Islam and the adherents of the two other monotheistic religions. Yet Islam's view of Jews and Christians, who are named "the People of the Book" in the Koran, is very friendly and tolerant.
This attitude towards the People of the Book developed during the years of the birth of Islam. At that time, Muslims were a minority, struggling to protect their faith and suffering oppression and torture from the pagans of the city of Mecca. Due to this persecution, some Muslims decided to flee Mecca and shelter in a safe country with a just ruler. The Prophet Muhammad told them to take refuge with King Negus, the Christian king of Ethiopia. The Muslims who followed this advice found a very fair administration that embraced them with love and respect when they went to Ethiopia. King Negus refused the demands of the pagan messengers who asked him to surrender the Muslims to them, and announced that Muslims could live freely in his country.
Such attitudes of Christian people that are based on the concepts of compassion, mercy, modesty and justice, constitute a fact that God has pointed out in the Koran. A verse of the Koran states:
ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ You will find the people most affectionate to those who believe are those who say, 'We are Christians.' That is because some of them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. (Surat al-Ma'ida, 82)
The Common Beliefs and Values of the People of the Book with Muslims
Christian and Muslim belief have many aspects in common. Judaism too shares many beliefs with Islam. All true adherents of these three great religions:
believe that God has created the entire universe out of nothing and that He dominates all that exists with His omnipotence.
believe that God has created man and living things in a miraculous way and that man possesses a soul granted him by God.
believe that besides Jesus, Moses or Muhammad, God sent many prophets such as Noah, Abraham, Isaac and Joseph throughout history, and they love all these prophets.
believe in resurrection, Heaven and Hell and angels, and that God has created our lives with a certain destiny.
The beliefs of the People of the Book are in harmony with Muslims, not only in terms of faith-related issues, but also of moral values. Today, in a world where such immoralities as adultery, homosexuality, drug addiction and a model of egoism and self-seeking cruelty have grown widespread, the People of the Book and Muslims share the same virtues: Honor, chastity, humility, self-sacrifice, honesty, compassion, mercy and unconditional loveÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦
According To The Koran, Muslims, Jews And Christians Should Live In Friendship
It is evident there are ample grounds for an alliance between the "People of the Book" and Muslims. This is also very evident in the Koran. In the relevant verses of the Koran, there is a significant difference between the People of the Book and the idolaters. This is especially emphasized in the area of social life. For example, it is said concerning the idolaters: "(they) are unclean, so after this year they should not come near the Masjid al-Haram (Kaaba)." (Surat at-Tawba: 28) Idolaters are people who obey no divine law, have no moral precepts and who are capable of committing every kind of degrading and perverse action without hesitation.
But while they basically rely on God's revelation, the People of the Book have moral precepts and know what is lawful and what is not. For this reason, if one of the People of the Book cooks some food, it is lawful for Muslims to eat it. In the same way, permission has been given for a Muslim man to marry a woman from among the People of the Book. On this subject God commands:
Today all good things have been made lawful for you. And the food of those given the Book is also lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. So are chaste women from among the believers and chaste women of those given the Book before you, once you have given them their dowries in marriage, not in fornication or taking them as lovers. But as for anyone who disbelieve, his actions will come to nothing and in the hereafter he will be among the losers. (Surat al-Mai'da: 5)
These commands show that bonds of kinship may be established as a result of the marriage of a Muslim with a woman from the People of the Book, and that those on each side of the union can accept an invitation to a meal. These are the fundamentals that will ensure the establishment of equitable human relationships and a happy communal life. Since the Koran enjoins this equitable and tolerant attitude, it is unthinkable that a Muslim could take an opposing view.
Monasteries, Churches And Synagogues Should Be Respected
Another important fact we learn from the Koran is that Muslims must respect Jewish and Christian places of worship. In the Koran, the places of worship of the People of the Book, i.e. monasteries, churches and synagogues, are mentioned as places of worship protected by God.
ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦if God had not driven some people back by means of others, monasteries, churches, synagogues and Masjids, where God's name is mentioned much, would have been pulled down and destroyed. God will certainly help those who help Him - God is All-Strong, Almighty. (Surat al-Hajj: 40 )
This verse shows all Muslims the importance of respecting and protecting the sanctuaries of Christians and Jews.
Indeed, in the Koran God commands Muslims not to harbor any enmity towards any people. In many verses, friendship is recommended, even with idolaters. God even refers to the idolaters at war with Muslims in this way: "If any of the idolaters ask you for protection, give them protection until they have heard the words of God. Then convey them to a place where they are safe." (Surat at-Tawba: 6)
Jews and Christians, however, are much closer to Muslims than idolaters. Each of these religions has its book, that is, they are subject to a revelation sent down by God. They know what is right and what is wrong, what is lawful and what is unlawful. They know they will give an account to God, and they love and revere His prophets. This shows that Muslims and the people of the book can live easily together and cooperate.
The Common Enemies of the Faith
Another important fact that draws Christianity, Judaism and Islam together is the atheist philosophies that are so influential in our time.
Among the best-known and most harmful philosophies of our age can be cited materialism, communism, fascism, anarchism, racism and secular humanism. Many people who believed in the fake diagnoses, deceptive descriptions and explanations of these ideas on the universe, society and man, have lost their faith or doubted it. What is more, these ideologies have dragged people, societies and nations into great crises, conflicts and wars. Their share of the blame for the pain and troubles that humanity suffers today is immense.
While they deny God and creation, all the above-mentioned ideologies are based on a common framework, a so-called scientific basis; Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. Darwinism constitutes the basis of atheist philosophies. This theory claims that living beings have evolved as a result of coincidences and by means of a struggle for life. Therefore, Darwinism sends this deceptive message to people:
"You are not responsible to anyone, you owe your life to coincidences, you need to struggle, and if necessary to oppress others to succeed. This world is one of conflict and self-interest".
This evil morality advises people to be egoistical, self-seeking, cruel and oppressive. It destroys such virtues as mercy, compassion, self-sacrifice and humility, the moral values of the three great monotheistic religions.
This being the case, it is necessary for the people of the Book and Muslims to cooperate, since they believe in God and accept the morality that He teaches. The followers of these three religions should expose to the world the fallacy of Darwinism, which has no scientific basis, but which is trying to be preserved for the sake of materialist philosophy. They should cooperatively carry out an intellectual struggle against all other deceptive ideas that serve atheism. Once this is realized, the world will, in a very short time, embrace peace, tranquility and justice.
Conclusion: "Let us Rally to a Common Formula"
At a time when anti-religious, atheist and materialist ideologies surround the world, similarities among theistic religions should be emphasized, and cooperation should be established for common aims.
Concerning the People of the Book, God gives Muslims a command in the Koran; to rally to a common formula:
O People of the Book! Let us rally to a common formula to be binding on both us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God. (Surat Al 'Imran, 64)
This is indeed our call to Christians and Jews: As people who believe in God and follow His revelations, let us rally to a common formula - "faith". Let's love God, Who is our Creator and Lord, and follow His commands. And let us pray God to lead us to an even straighter path.
When Muslims, Christians and Jews rally to a common formula this way;
When they understand that they are friends not enemies,
When they see that the real enemy is atheism and paganism,
then the world will become a very different place.
The fighting that has raged for ages, enmities, fears - and terrorist attacks - will come to an end, and a new civilization based on love, respect and peace will be established upon this "common formula".
Posted 18 November 2004 - 07:11 PM
I find this very touching, brother and filled with the generous compassion found also within the heart of our Prophet Muhammad (bpuh). May we truly extend the such generous compassion and lead the world to a full unity in Allah (God). Ameen.
Posted 29 September 2005 - 01:57 PM
(These are connected to Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.)
---Matt.20:1-16, one "hour" is 200 years, "first hour" is Abraham, Jacob and Jews 1800-1700 BC, "third hour" is Sabians 1200-1100 BC, "sixth hour" is beginning of prophecies about Messiah 600 BC and "ninth hour" is Jesus coming 1 AD, "eleventh hour" is Islam 500-700 AD).----
In "third" hour you know it is talking about Sabians or Zarathustrians (Bible mentions two different â€œSabiansâ€ in different directions), as "people who had nothing to do" clearly describes that right religion (as not yet corrupted, at least too much) was not yet given (from nations of that time) but for small group of Jews before.
In "eleventh hour" description matches Arabs, as people with nothing to do said "no one has not hired as yet", and Arabs were not given religion or messengers before Mohammed, in fact they were so despised that neither Persia or Byzantium tried to capture them, or to spread Christianity for them.
And finally "last coming as first and first as last" is just what prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) said, that even as he and Muslims came last, they will enter paradise first. By the way, in 20:12 people who came first (Jews) complaining about denary (paradise) for master (God) just because last (Muslims) did work so much more less time than them, is almost humorous description about Jews who even took salvation for their own nation and religion only.
---Luke.13:6-9, one "year" in prophecy is 600 years from Abraham to Islam=4 "years" 2400 years, 3 "years" before Jesus and 1 "year" from Jesus to Islam=600 years, when "tree of Judaism", and with it Jesus=Christianity, is cut down by Allah with "gardener" Jesus from way of Islam---
This is clear prophecy, if Christians would think even a little. Of course gardener talking to master (God) is Jesus himself, who presented this figure of speech. And when master (God) said to gardener (Jesus) that "cut this tree (symbol of Judaism generally in Bible, fig tree), it only takes strength from this ground", Jesus refers to his mission as reformatory of Judaism, as then Jesus says that he will take care from that land and "fertilize land around it", and that maybe "next year it will make fruits, and if not, THEN cut it down". And of course, tree (Judaism and sect of it, Christianity) was cut down (removed from religions of right way) as Islam came after that year (600 years) from "fertilized land AROUND IT" (around israel, from Arabia, and Jesus made way for Islam by splitting Roman Empire to East and West Rome by religious differences in case of power and ruling, so weakening it, and Jesus also brought in principle monotheistic teaching in Bible for pagans who would not have Islam anyway if Romans had still be united).
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:00 PM
Matt.20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire men to work in his vineyard. 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
3. "About the third hour he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4. He told them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5. So they went.
"He went out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour and did the same thing. 6. About the eleventh hour he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?'
7. " 'Because no one has hired us,' they answered."He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.'
8. "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.'
9. "The workers who were hired about the eleventh hour came and each received a denarius. 10. So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12. 'These men who were hired last worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.'
13. "But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14. Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?' (26)
16. "So the last will be first, and the first will be last."
Some could say (and had said) that verses in Matt.20:1-16 question actually point to divine generosity that transcends human ideas of fairness. Yes it can do that TOO (although first group complaining about payment because of extra-work and master getting furious about it does not really support it), but it is far more complex and long for that alone. It would have just be easy to say that master gives denar for workers, and thatâ€™s it.
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:03 PM
This is clear prophecy, if Christians would think even a little. Of course gardener talking to master (God) is Jesus himself, who presented this figure of speech. And when master (God) said to gardener (Jesus) that "cut this tree (symbol of Judaism generally in Bible, fig tree), it only takes strength from this ground", Jesus refers to his mission as reformatory of Judaism, as then Jesus says that he will take care from that land and "fertilize land around it", and that maybe "next year it will make fruits, and if not, THEN cut it down". And of course, tree (Judaism and sect of it, Christianity) was cut down (removed from religions of right way) as Islam came after that year (600 years) from "fertilized land AROUND IT" (around israel, from Arabia, and Jesus made way for Islam by splitting Roman Empire to East and West Rome by religious differences in case of power and ruling, so weakening it, and Jesus also brought in principle monotheistic teaching in Bible for pagans who would not have Islam anyway if Romans had still be united).<<<<<<<
Luke.13:6. Then he told this parable: "A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. 7. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, 'For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?'
8. " 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. 9. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.' "
Some say this Luke.13:6-9 is just numerical games. So tell me more reasonable and as compatible explanation. Fig tree is symbol of Judaism generally in Bible. Also when Jesus cursed fig tree in Matt.21:19 by words "may no fruit ever come from you again", he probably stated that no more prophets are going to come from Jews. And why time schedule fits so well in both of these to these religions, did Jesus not know about coming of Islam or did he not care how these look?
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:05 PM
So house of Abraham is divided because of different beliefs on Jesus, mainly to 3 Christian religions (Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants) and to two Islamic religions (Sunni and Shiite).
Matt.12:26-27 Jesus told us that Islam can not be from satan, as it directs worshipping and bowing to God of Abraham, reason why satan fall from heaven, and so would never tell to do so. Even Jesus spoke about God of Abraham, â€œFatherâ€, not about Jehovah for example. And â€œI am truth, way, and lifeâ€ does not mean Jesus was god, but a prophet who taught TRUTH in monotheistic teaching about one God, who gave us WAY and example in worshipping on knees face to ground and being totally submitting to God, and all this will give LIFE. All Muslims have to believe in Jesus TOO to be Muslim.
Matt.21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.â€
As Jesus told (to people who were there, so â€œChristiansâ€ also), Jews (and its sect Christianity as it is based only to Jewish nation) lost kingdom of God when it was given to Arabs, ONE nation. Here Jesus announced that He has been send to direct those few chosen Christians by Bible to Islam and to Muslim-countries (like for me it did):
John.10:16 â€I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen (offspring of Ishmael, not Isaac-Jewish). I must bring them also (Jesus in Quran and monotheism/prophesies in Bible). They too will listen to my voice (same message), and there shall be one flock and one shepherd (monotheistic believers and prophets teaching about one God, now only Islam).â€
Matt.18:12-14 â€œWhat do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the MOUNTAINS and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. In the same way, my Father in heaven does not want one of these little children to be lost.â€
Luke.15:4-7 â€œWhat man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the DESERT (open pasture) and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbours, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost! I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. â€œ
Here words (leaving other sheepâ€™s at SAFELY HOME in) â€œMOUNTAINSâ€ and â€œDESERTâ€ describe general nature in Muslim-countries near Christian countries.
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:05 PM
So Jesus WAS king, Messiah, he divided Rome to east and west by religious differences (about power), Muslims got East Rome because of that, Byzantium. And he â€œsacrificedâ€, for sake of both Muslims and Christians, but he did not need to make it to forgive all sins of mankind, but perhaps only in describing way (for that all who will find Islam get to start with no sins again). If Europe, America and Africa had remind in paganism and with ruler-gods, persecution for Muslims would have been much worse than it was for Christians, who did not have such strict demand for total monotheism. (27)
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:09 PM
These two prophesies describe both, christianity and Islam, religions more than their prophets, and describe conditions when they appeared, and it is connected to Islam by earthquake in Syria 526 AC, that killed over 250 000 christian SyrianÂ´s. Time of earthquake in prophecy is connected to time when christianity was (most near to be) right religion before Islam came to direct into "choosing good and abandoning evil", as (most) christians in Syria and elsewhere in Middle-East and north-Africa did, accepted Islam (in long period of time).
Then was over time when Immanuel (=christianity, Immanuel="Lord with us", describeing christians who believe that God was with them on earth), so christians, got to eat "curds and honey" (describeing especially warm centuries before coming of Islam and easy faith without much expectations like regular praying) and came time when christians had to choose between "choosing good and refusing evil" as Islam came. That is when easy salvation , for some without knowledge, even by worshipping Jesus as a god were to end, and more demanding times came.
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:10 PM
11. "Ask a sign for yourself from the LORD your God; make it deep as Sheol or high as heaven."
12. But Ahaz said, "I will not ask, nor will I test the LORD!"
13. Then he said, "Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well?
14. "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
Immanuel is christianity/christians, "Lord with us" describes how christians will believe, that God came to Earth among them. Nowadays christians can not change this belief into any other form, as if they would denye that Jesus was not god, they should become Muslims. This is how Allah made sure that christians believe like Quran describes and how prophesied even in Bible.
15. "He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good.
Warm and agriculturally plenty centuries were just before Islam, wine was grown even in Britain that time (besides description of few nuclear-winterÂ´s in 6th century, when sun shined only couple of hours in a day, perhaps because of big meteor that hit Earth, it could be from words of Jesus how before end of times there will be "signs in the sky", just before coming of Mohammed who began "end of times", countdown for Judgment Day). Then when Islam came, about one third from christians in world learned how to chose good and abandon evil, in Middle-East and in North-Africa.
16. "For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken.
So before Islam came and Christians learned to choose good, Syria (mentioned "land whose two kings you dread" in 7:5-6) and its lands were forsaken (in some translations "will come empty") when earthquake hit 526 AC and killed 250 000 Christian Syrians (almost total population of Syria that time).
17."The LORD will bring on you, on your people, and on your father's house such days as have never come since the day that Ephraim separated from Judah, the king of Assyria."
This could be again coming back in time to time just after Jesus, and this could describe for example destruction of Jerusalem by Romans (but also other same kind of events).
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:14 PM
Birth and Reign of the Prince of Peace
1. But there shall be no gloom to her that was in anguish. In the former time he brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time hath he made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations.
"Zebulun and Naphtali" who were treated with contempt earlier is Arabia, these border areas of israel describe areas beyond borders ("on the other side of Jordan"). Arabs were so despised that Byzantium or Persia did not even want to conquer it, or to convert them to their religion. "Way of the sea" is Red Sea and Persian Gulf surrounding holy places of Muslims, (temple of even Abraham in) Mecca and Medina, and also offering connecting short sea route between Mediterrean and Indian Ocean. "Other side of Jordan" is deserts of Arabs behind Jordan (Arabs have lived there centuries before Islam), confirming that Arabs are mentioned here.
2. The people who walk in darkness
Will see a great light;
Those who live in a dark land,
The light will shine on them.
"People who walk in darkness" is Arabic pagans, without monotheistic religion. "Light" is Islam and Word of Allah, "dark land" is waste lands in deserts.
3. You shall multiply the nation,
You shall increase their gladness;
They will be glad in Your presence
As with the gladness of harvest,
As men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
Nation of Arabs and lot of spoil to divide multiplied when Arabs conquered Middle-East and North-Africa. "Increase their gladness" is about Muhammed, as Jesus himself said that he has not come to brought peace bur sword.
4. For You shall break the yoke of their burden and the staff on their shoulders,
The rod of their oppressor, as at the battle of Midian.
"Break yoke of their burden" is sin that is abolished, Quran and Mohammed gave numerous complete instructions in hadiths what is wrong, and how to avoid it. Breaking "staff on their shoulders" is slavery, that was reduced dramatically because of Islam, as it encouraged Muslims to let slaves free (reward is better benefits in paradise). Breaking "rod of their oppressor" is destroying power of satan.
5. For every boot of the booted warrior in the battle tumult,
And cloak rolled in blood, will be for burning, fuel for the fire.
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:17 PM
6. For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
As Jesus, also Mohammed (puh) were given to us, although in case of Jesus focus is much more in his birth. Government will rest on shoulders of Mohammed, and on Him who send Mohammed and ordered him to act and to do as he did, in founding of government. This is not about Jesus, he did not found government. "Wonderful Counsellor" describes amazing Quran and numerous hadiths, over two million of them, and amount of information on those for nearly all aspects of life. "Mighty God" and "Eternal Father" describes God of Islam, Allah (not Jesus-loves-you-all-god), from Whom Mohammed (and also Jesus) preached about, and how Allah will be eternity and will not change a bit . Prince of Peace is about Allah, Islam and Mohammed together, their common affect on world and about peace they brought.
7.Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.
"Kingdom that have no end in government and peace" and "reigned from Davidâ€™s throne" (throne of religions of Abraham) is Islam that spread through THREE continents from Spain to China and India in under 100 years (compare to Matt.13:33 where Jesus told that "kingdom of heaven is like leaven, that woman took and hid in THREE pecks of flour, until it was all leavened"). "Justice and righteousness" is describing what Islam emphasizes very much in its doctrine. "That time and forever" is about Islam that will never change. Zeal (from Jews and Christians going astray) of Allah will accomplish this.
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:18 PM
13. and leaving Nazareth, He came and settled in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the region of Zebulun and Naphtali.
14. This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet:
15. "THE LAND OF ZEBULUN AND THE LAND OF NAPHTALI,
BY THE WAY OF THE SEA, BEYOND THE JORDAN, GALILEE OF THE GENTILES--
16. "THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING IN DARKNESS SAW A GREAT LIGHT,
AND THOSE WHO WERE SITTING IN THE LAND AND SHADOW OF DEATH,
UPON THEM A LIGHT DAWNED."
17. From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
First of all, these are not words of Jesus but later added prophecy by Isaiah fitted into visit of Jesus on area fitting into prophecy (in prophecy this border area of israel is just describing areas beyond borders, lands of Arabs, not just lands of Zebulun/Naphtali exclusively, in fact Jesus were only near these areas for a LITTLE TIME).
In Isaiah prophecy were in future-form, here in past-form. According to Isaiah lands of Zebulun/Naphtali were "treated with contempt", and only LATER they will be given PERMANENT light (Jesus spend there only little time, Christianity little longer, but Islam is still there), so that whole land will come from dark into shining (describing deserts, which it came permanently only by Islam).
So would it not have to mean that these people on these lands did not accept Jesus and his message and so were kept in darkness, or that they started worshipping prophet as a god when they at least lost rest from their glory and were in contempt. In this case Islam was one to come to clean and purify that all.
Jesus himself did not require faith for â€œsalvation through death on crossâ€ even in Bible, it is invention of others (mainly Paulâ€™s), although he recognized that those events have to come pass (even as fake crucifixion) because of its importance for world and in foreshadowing Islam to bring salvation closer to (otherwise) pagans who were not mentioned to receive Islam (until some time limit on some amount, which is going on now). Jesus even stated that he will be those three days like Jonah on stomach of whale, and Jonah was ALIVE inside whale.
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:27 PM
Notice how Jesus described false prophets as Paul described himself, by words (doing) â€œSIGNSâ€ and â€œMIRACLESâ€:
Matt.24:23. â€œAt that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24. For false Christâ€™s and false prophets will appear and perform great SIGNS and MIRACLES to deceive even the elect (disciplines) - if that were possible. 25. See, I have told you ahead of time (told YOU, disciplines, as a warning). 26. "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' (Paulâ€™s "Jesus revelation" on road to Damascus) do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' ("Jesus-revelation" in prison) do not believe it (Mohammed did not claim to have seen Jesus in desert/house, nor say to be Messiah/Christ)â€¦.28. Wherever the corpse is (new religion), there the vultures will gather (satan strikes).â€
2.Corinth.12:12. â€œWhen I was with you, I certainly gave you every proof that I am truly an apostle, sent to you by God himself. For I patiently did many SIGNS and wonders and MIRACLES among you.â€
From Dead Sea scrolls of Qumran, it can be clearly seen that Deut.32:8 declared that Jews were not only nation to have prophets, as Christians and Jews claim, but that â€sons of Godâ€ have been given to numerous nations as Islam teaches. This is how this part went in Greek text:
"When the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of (Qumran: â€sons of Godâ€) angelic beings."
As in Dead Sea Scrolls, which read of the sons of God, and Greek version, which reads of the angels of god. Can word of God have so great conflict in matter so important, dividing religions? Problem really is in interpretations and understanding past times. Old Testament (Jewish) Bible is full of "sons of God" (son written with big first letter is Greek invention, as Hebrew does not have small or big letters), and so is called almost all prophets in Bible, even Adam (who had not even mother according to Bible, Koran does not deny even that he had mother/(HUMAN!)father, see beginning of astronomy/human development links and introduction). But times of persecution Matt.24:23-28 is talking about, came:
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:31 PM
As Paul had permission from apostles to teach pagans (Jesus himself said in Matt.15:24 that "I have not been sent but for lost sheepâ€™s of house of israel", and in the end mission-order meant "nations" of israel, as there had been 13 of them), and had permission not to "bother" them by Torah or law, most pagan-Christians did not understand correctly "son of God"-term. After Jewish Christianity was almost totally wiped out by Romans in destruction of Jerusalem, pagan-Christians did came as dominant sect of Christianity and modern churches are based on their beliefs.
Paul tried to kill ALL Christians, he had army for that, but noticed that Christians just flew to other towns ("turn other cheek") and spread their message. So he understood that only possibility is to destroy threat to Judaism from inside, spreading twisted form of faith to large areas until it overcomes rest. He even send Ananias ("new Christian" according to Bible) before him to confirm his "revelations of Jesus" to another Christians, and so got credibility among Christians. That is evil. What gives more credibility to Paul than for example to Mormon-prophet Joseph Smith, who also claimed to have seen Jesus? Of course that was will of Allah too, but there is a time-limit until full responsibility is over People of the Book (Quran 2:62, and in 65:7 â€œAllah puts no burden on any person beyond what He has given himâ€.), that separates them from pagans who are not judged only if they are "people without knowledge (about Islam)", and have not be introduced to Islam (as it is almost everywhere in Asia and Africa introduced, but still lack of literacy and information, like internet, is limiting knowledge about Islam there, as it has arrived so to west especially).
Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:34 PM
When that time is up, and knowledge of Islam has come for everyone (like in internet), no Christian has no excuse why they did not learn about Islam, then curse of Paul has its full affect, and many are going to hell because of him. On the other hand, Jesus told about shepherd who got that one lost sheep out of hundred back to safety in desert/mountain (depends on evangelium, both describe very well dominative natural conditions in Muslim-countries), that represents those few chosen oneâ€™s from Christians who through Bible understood that Islam is right religion (like me), and possibly move to Islamic country in safety (no need anymore for that in secularism, but in middle ages definitely, if pagans had ruled in Europe/America/Africa, then not one had got alive into Muslim-world).
As you see, Christians can be accepting Islam through Bible, even if they thought that it is corrupted, if given good and accurate enough explanations and descriptions. Can Muslim accept christianity from bible with ANY intellectuality and reasoning still left, without beeing completely blind? NO way...
These all was from my own writing in:
Posted 05 October 2005 - 03:50 PM
41:53 â€œSoon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?â€
And by the way, that adress were
www.angelfire. c o m/moon2/koran/
www.angelfire. c o m/moon2/quran/
Posted 08 October 2005 - 03:48 PM
I am a Christian and am here to learn more about Islam. I visited most of the Islamic forums but almost all of it are tinted with hatred. I hope that by joining your forum you will welcome me as a guest since I am not a Muslim and enlighten me of your religion. Also, my intent is to represent my religion in an honest way so that Muslims have a better understanding that we share the same faith of worshiping one God.
Once again thank you for letting me join your forum and I'm looking forward to have a fruitful conversation with you all.
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