As I said the council of Nicaea did not change the Bible. Where is your proof? All youâ€™re giving me is an empty argument with no evidenceâ€¦
If you do some research you will see the reason the council was called into session primarily was to defend the Church against heretical claims that Jesus Christ was not divine and hence they formulated the Nicene Creed. Arius was a heretic that started most of the trouble to which a few centuries later Mohammed resurrected this heresy.
Arius along with many others left the council because of what they was doing to the religion of Jesus they was fusing it with greek mythology go look at the movie Zeitgeist look at Jesus is so similar to many of the Greek gods. I have researched the Nicene counsil very well, All you have to do is look at the state of constanoplis at that time and the rift between the pagans and the Christians and you will see that after the council of nicaea that greek mytology was fused with christianity.
I have shown you evidence recorded by Jewish and Roman historians of Christâ€™s crucifixion; a fact that Mohammed denied he might as well have denied the history of Julius Caesar while he was at it.
Many of the greek gods were crucified as well, the crucifixion is not the physical death of Jesus it is bragging that was done by the Jews their claim that they killed Jesus, they killed his dotrine or so they thought.
If youâ€™re so convinced that Council of Nicaea changed anything from the Bible give me evidence to support it.
The council of nicaea is proof of what happened to the Bible. How can you deny that the Bible never had words taken out or words put in when every priest would tell you that yes this has happened to the Bible, Bibles were burned Good Christians were killed because they followed Jesus, haven't you ever wondered why 1000s of christian priest were killed 1000s of scholars killed, heritics you say ???
Oh by the way you claim there are no passages in the Bible that say plainly Jesus is the Son of Godâ€¦
I said that nowhere in the Bible does Jesus say that He is God !! Show me where he says I am God. If you belive that he is God then surely you can find 1 verse where Jesus says I am God. Ive already shown you that to be called the son of God is really no big deal amongst the Jews because in the Torah it says we are all sons of God its the same as saying we all belong to God and i can except that language. Thats why they couldnt stone him, or did you not read the passage that i have given you above??
â€œAgain the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?"
 And Jesus said, "I am; and you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
The son of the blessed of course he is the son of the blessed. He recieved deep insight into the reading of scriptures hes teaching people Gods words his mother was a holy woman his grandfather was a holy man his father Joseph was a holy man. Jesus was blessed to recive good guidance from God so was his parents and his family, was he the son of the blessed? he sure was. Now why do you neglect what he says next he says yes im the son of the blessed(meaning the blessings that he has recieved) and then he says that you will see THE SON OF MAN
seated at the right hand of power not the personal son of God or God himself
but THE SON OF MAN.
â€œSimon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God!" â€“ Matthew 16:16 (If you read on you will see Jesus does not deny this claim but blesses St Peter
We have already established that son of God does not mean the personal son of God if it did then Jesus would have been stoned to death
â€œIN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.â€ John 1:1 If you read it says â€œand Word became flesh and dwelt among usâ€
Yes heres where i agree, Jesus is the word of God and that word became flesh. When ever we read Gods word it should be manifested whithin side of us, Gods word should become part of us. Jesus was highly enlightened by Gods words he became Gods word in the flesh meaning he lived the word of God i accept this as well. Muhammad was the Quran walking but he wasnt God in the flesh no he was the WORD of God walking and so was Jesus, he was the word of God walking I agree.
Again all you have is the Quran with no historical evidence to support it. I believe you are living your faith in ignorance because the difference between us is we have historical and archaeological proofâ€¦you donâ€™t.
No we have the Quran and the Bible and evidence to support it and common sense supports it as well. Heres somthing that i give to all my Christian friends to ponder on,.. .answer them if you can..
1.If Jesus is the physical son of God and Mary was not married to God then that makes Jesus the ######
son of God.
2. Heres another one .. if God had a baby with mary and Jesus is the only BEGOTTON SON of God then God broke his own commandment and had spirtual fornication or some sort of fornication with Mary and got her pregnent...
3.If Jesus is God when God was a baby he crapped himself, Gods come to die for your sins to save you yet he couldnt even wipe his own behind?? he couldnt save himself form smellimg like do do.but hes going to save the world?
4.If Jesus is God then God had a penis and at that time there were men at the time Jesus was a baby, so a man can easily say that they had a bigger penis than God.5.
5. Not only that, God was a Jew so please tell me what man circumcised God what man had the privilege of touching Gods penis???
6.Jesus was breast fed so your telling me that God sucked on breast?
7.God knows all and heres all an he knows everthing yet your saying that Jesus is God but the devil tempted Jesus meaning that he thought about something that the devil suggested to him, so the devil tempted God??
8 While on the cross to die for your sins and he knew of this mission, Jesus says Father why has thou forsaken me?? Yeah this really sounds like somebody who knew that he was going to die for your sins.
9. Nowhere and i mean NOWHERE DOES JESUS EVER SAY IN THE BIBLE THAT I AM GOD!!
10. God says 1000s of times in the Bible who he is but yet when it comes to Jesus he becomes quiet he nolonger wants to tell people that he is God?? He wants to die for your sins but yet he never said that this was his mission, his followers some how came up with that after he is gone.
11.God had a penis tell me did it get hard??? If it didnt then was God impotent??
12. How can God die for our sins when sins is a learning process in order for us to come to know God better and to sin is part of our test?
13. is God a racist? If not why did He pick a particular colour and race to come to earth as??
Can you answer these please. God says in the Bible that He is not the aurthor of confusion Look at how much confusion can come from saying that Jesus is Gods begotton son and that Jesus is God
Anyway this discussion is not getting us anywhere. Itâ€™s obvious we are standing our ground and will not moveâ€¦
Grace and peace be with you,
No please dont run from the conversation, discuss these matters, if what you say is true then I will believe that Jesus is God, so answer my questions. I believe that God has no need to have a penis,or to die for us because he created us why would the very same God who created us, die for us, so that we can be sin free when he created us to sin. If thats the case then whats the point of having a judgment day?? Those who believe that Jesus is God they go straight to heaven and all those who dont go straight to hell. If I can see this why cant God? Why does he need to have a judgment day when we all are already being prejudged before we die? Are you saying that God is stupid? That he cant figure this out??
There is no point to judjment day there is no need for judgment day. What is the point is the point only to show us that Jesus is God and so that all the Christians can see the rest of humanity thrown in hell and you say God is mercyful?? According to you God has already prejudged us befor we die and all christians as it stands now is going to heaven and the rest is going to hell, again WHATS THE POINT OF JUDGEMENT DAY THEN??
And what about a newborn Muslim baby or Muslim children who die , according to you they are sinners because they are born in sin and they deserve to brun in hell?? How does a baby or children deserve hell?????
Edited by twoswordali, 25 November 2008 - 02:03 PM.