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Islam in Indonesia
#21
Posted 30 December 2004 - 08:17 AM
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#22
Posted 30 December 2004 - 10:20 AM
I'm really interested in their story to gain independent from Indonesia's republic
#23
Posted 30 December 2004 - 11:01 AM
so how about the GPA in Acheh???
I'm really interested in their story to gain independent from Indonesia's republic
Assalamu alaikum,
Aceh rebels have made many Aceh people suffer (as does the military).
They killed many Aceh people who do not support their struggle.
They force Aceh people to pay tax to them while they have no authority upon them.
They destroy people property who they think 'pro Indonesia'. My uncle's houses were burnt down by them along with other houses in that area.
They did unIslamic things, but yes they are muslims who pray regularly and fasting in ramadhan.
We are sick of the violence of the conflict.
Hopefully this tragedy that befall Aceh will end the conflict insha Allah and then they reunite and rebuild Aceh together (hopefully....)
Their motivation is not religious.
Their movement is purely politic, to gain power.
Remember, when the government decide to implement Shariah Law in Aceh in 2002, it is Free Aceh Movement (GAM) who has opposed the decision. Implementing Shariah Law was not on their agenda. Their goal is to establish a sultanate who govern Sumatra.
Wassalamu alaikum
#24
Posted 31 December 2004 - 02:38 AM
so how about the GPA in Acheh???
I'm really interested in their story to gain independent from Indonesia's republic
and better if the discussion could be continued at the Political Front section.Their motivation is not religious.
Their movement is purely politic, to gain power.
Remember, when the government decide to implement Shariah Law in Aceh in 2002, it is Free Aceh Movement (GAM) who has opposed the decision. Implementing Shariah Law was not on their agenda. Their goal is to establish a sultanate who govern Sumatra.
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#25
Posted 31 December 2004 - 04:51 AM
My dad really wants to move to Indonesia or Malaysia because he says the Muslims there are great.
Assalam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu
#26
Posted 04 January 2005 - 02:20 AM
My dad really wants to move to Indonesia or Malaysia because he says the Muslims there are great.
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#27
Posted 04 January 2005 - 03:34 AM
instead of offering al-fatehah to the muslim souls that died in indonesia....
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Edited by MarineLiner, 07 January 2005 - 07:01 AM.
#28
Posted 13 January 2005 - 06:13 AM
People say that A LOT of Muslim in Indonesia doesn't do what Islam want and do what Islam forbid.
#29
Posted 13 January 2005 - 07:59 AM
Many things could be "repaired" in indonesia.People say that A LOT of Muslim in Indonesia doesn't do what Islam want and do what Islam forbid.
One of them is: hajj travel handling management.
And also, one of the easiest thing to be done in daily life is: re-use the word "you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.forumforfree(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/forums/index.php?mforum=ahadunahad&showtopic=199&view=findpost&p=1429"][i]ahad[/i][/url] as the name of the 1st day of week.
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#30
Posted 23 March 2005 - 09:29 PM
I've heard that Indonesia has hundreds of Christian Missionaries in the rural areas and are turning thousands of muslims into christians....is it true?
#31
Posted 07 September 2005 - 01:43 AM
assalaamu'alaykum,I've heard that Indonesia has hundreds of Christian Missionaries in the rural areas and are turning thousands of muslims into christians....is it true?
it seemed we don't have any believable data to reply ( since the question was many months ago ).
meanwhile, perhaps it's time for the "screen-shot" again:
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#32
Posted 14 October 2005 - 02:07 PM
In 1958 the U.S. attempted to oust Sukarno by supplying a right-wing rebel force in Indonesia with arms and a small air force of B-26 bombers for the failed attempt.
Until the 1965 coup, Indonesia was one of the most dynamic countries. "The Sukarno government," writes Ms. Griswold, "took a number of bold steps in foreign policy that shocked the Western capitals and threatened to be infectious. Indonesia withdrew from both the UN and the Olympic games, declaring them to be dominated by imperialism, and started to set up rival international bodies. At the very moment that the right-wing coup was taking place, a conference against foreign military bases, which of course was aimed first and foremost at the U.S. with its 3,000 installations overseas, was in session in Djakarta."
After twenty-five years of fighting the Japanese, the Dutch and the U.S. imperialists, the 1965 coup and the subsequent slaughter of a million Indonesians, paved the way for U.S. companies who began arriving in 1966, writes Ms. Griswold, for "the feast."
Unilever setup oil and edible fat plants. Uniroyal got its rubber plantation and latex plant. Union Carbide, Singer Sewing Machine and National Cash Register got back properties expropriated during the revolution. Eastern Airlines partnered with the Indonesia airline Garuda; Mobil Oil secured oil exploration rights. For a mere $75 million Freeport Sulphur got a contract for exploiting West Irian copper which is 20 times as rich as ores found in Arizona and Utah. Freeport claims it has since paid nearly $1.7 billion in direct benefits (taxes, dividends, royalties) to the Government of Indonesia.
The U.S. armed, trained Suharto military invaded the former Portugese colony of East Timor in 1975 (now separated againg and under western control, practically) to stop a civil war between pro- and anti-Marxist groups. President Suharto did what his Western mentors had done to acquire colonies or to consolidate their own state boundaries, and 200,000 East Timorese are reported to have been killed resisting the Indonesian occupation.
Indonesia's rmed forces, political parties and civil service has always been dominated by its 6% Christian minority, since its independence as legacy of former western colonists. The vast majority yearn for Islamic Shari’ah laws – but the country’s constitution is based on a pagan system – known as ‘Pancasila’. The current president of Indonesia - Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is also a Christian.
#33
Posted 15 October 2005 - 11:32 AM
AssalamuAlaikum
Jazak Aallah for this article.
After reading this the first thing that comes to minds is and even then the people is westrn countries say why muslims are not happy with their countries?
I believe that we as muslims need to make our own world body. The UN is not an equal body. Why is that there are 5 Veto powere? What is the criteria of a veta power?
Is it population ? Is it power ? Is it ecnomics ? What is it? I think that the UN is build on injustice and muslim countries should leave the UN and make the OIC (Organization of Islamic Countries) Stronger.
May Allah unite all muslims.
#34
Posted 15 October 2005 - 02:33 PM
The 'Veto' is based on the philosophy of - Winners take all.
Both the US and Russian economy is based on foreign natural resources and monetary funds - Without which their economy could not survive even for a few years. Both of them are 'parasite nations' - consumers' den.
Islamist governments - Both in Turkey and Iran have tried to create some kind of a Muslim world organization - but vast majority of 57-Muslim nation states ruled by western puppet elites - they could not succeed.
#35
Posted 17 October 2005 - 03:59 AM
make the OIC (Organization of Islamic Countries) Stronger.
May Allah unite all muslims.
indonesia, after occupied by the western for hundreds of years, even we're free for the last 60 years, mostly don't care except for how to use the freedom to increase own wealth and the easiest way is corruption.
we received much much loan with interest that have to be paid.
now we are in big difficulty with paying back the loan plus the interest.
of course we prefer no-interest loan, but who can give ?
while with the OIC, we get the quota system for hajj, where only 205,000 indonesian can go, and this also make another "hole" (chance) for corruption. where every one want to be sure that they are included in the list who can go.
the monopoly of transportatiom for hajj also make indonesian should stay longer in saudia because need 28 days to transporting the 205,000 pilgrims, and this also resulting in more cost then necessay.
Allahu a'lam wa bishshowab.
#36
Posted 17 October 2005 - 06:07 AM
I've never been to Indonesia.. must be nice to live among a large muslim population
#37
Posted 14 November 2005 - 04:15 AM
must be nice to live among a large muslim population
jazakumullah khoyron katsiro,
that's right, we could have a lot of chance for doing da'wah to improve the quality of muslimin. It's easier compared with doing da'wah to the unbelievers.
On the other side, the "large muslimin population" makes the conditions to perform hajj added with the "quota system" where only 205,000 people can go for each year. And also the transportation need 480 flights that make the need of queueing for the planes upto 28 days and this means a lot of additional un-necessary cost ( as we must stay longer at saudi arobia for the queueing where we must pay more for the room rent ).
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#38
Posted 14 November 2005 - 04:56 AM
The United Nations is just another tool for the survival of western colonization of lands with natural resources - just like World Bank, IMF, WTO, NATO, etc.
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Islamist governments - Both in Turkey and Iran have tried to create some kind of a Muslim world organization - but vast majority of 57-Muslim nation states ruled by western puppet elites - they could not succeed.
That's why we should (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.gawaher(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/index.php?s=&showtopic=1123&view=findpost&p=201302"]tighten our brotherhood by actively participating in: develop relations between Australia and Indonesia[/url] as the governement of Australia provide the facility to do it.
And also with other countries when ever available.
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#39
Posted 19 November 2005 - 04:34 AM
Islamic Leaders’ Visits
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KH Hasyim Muzadi, Cardinal Darmaatmadja and Prof Yewangoe were received by the Governer-General, Dr Peter Hollingworth during their visit to Australia
The Institute extended the range of Australian contacts with senior Indonesian Islamic leaders by sponsoring visit programs in Australia for the leaders of one of the two largest Islamic organisations in Indonesia and by a leading Indonesian Islamic scholar and possible presidential candidate.
The Institute and DFAT cooperated to sponsor a visit by KH Hasyim Muzadi, the leader of the largest Islamic organisation in Indonesia, Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), and a group of senior NU officials and Christian leaders in February 2003. The group developed new contacts with leading Australian Islamic and Christian representatives and with community and political representatives, including the Governor-General.
The Institute and DFAT again cooperated to provide a program of calls on prominent Government and community representatives for Prof Dr Nurcholish Madjid, a prominent Indonesian Islamic scholar and a possible presidential candidate at the 2004 elections. This program was organised as an extension of a planned visit to Australia by Prof Madjid to deliver the 33rd Annual Asian Studies Lecture at Flinders University and included meetings with the Prime Minister and Minister for Foreign Affairs and a public presentation to the Australian Institute of International Affairs.
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#40
Posted 17 December 2005 - 05:57 PM
Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world – With a population of over 211 million - 93% Muslims, 3% Catholics, 3% Protestants and I% Hindus, Buddhist and Pagans. Indonesia proclaimed independence on August 17, 1947, and on December 27, 1949, Indonesia became legally independent from the Netherlands (Holland).
In 1958 the U.S. attempted to oust Sukarno by supplying a right-wing rebel force in Indonesia with arms and a small air force of B-26 bombers for the failed attempt.
Until the 1965 coup, Indonesia was one of the most dynamic countries. "The Sukarno government," writes Ms. Griswold, "took a number of bold steps in foreign policy that shocked the Western capitals and threatened to be infectious. Indonesia withdrew from both the UN and the Olympic games, declaring them to be dominated by imperialism, and started to set up rival international bodies. At the very moment that the right-wing coup was taking place, a conference against foreign military bases, which of course was aimed first and foremost at the U.S. with its 3,000 installations overseas, was in session in Djakarta."
After twenty-five years of fighting the Japanese, the Dutch and the U.S. imperialists, the 1965 coup and the subsequent slaughter of a million Indonesians, paved the way for U.S. companies who began arriving in 1966, writes Ms. Griswold, for "the feast."
Unilever setup oil and edible fat plants. Uniroyal got its rubber plantation and latex plant. Union Carbide, Singer Sewing Machine and National Cash Register got back properties expropriated during the revolution. Eastern Airlines partnered with the Indonesia airline Garuda; Mobil Oil secured oil exploration rights. For a mere $75 million Freeport Sulphur got a contract for exploiting West Irian copper which is 20 times as rich as ores found in Arizona and Utah. Freeport claims it has since paid nearly $1.7 billion in direct benefits (taxes, dividends, royalties) to the Government of Indonesia.
The U.S. armed, trained Suharto military invaded the former Portugese colony of East Timor in 1975 (now separated againg and under western control, practically) to stop a civil war between pro- and anti-Marxist groups. President Suharto did what his Western mentors had done to acquire colonies or to consolidate their own state boundaries, and 200,000 East Timorese are reported to have been killed resisting the Indonesian occupation.
Indonesia's rmed forces, political parties and civil service has always been dominated by its 6% Christian minority, since its independence as legacy of former western colonists. The vast majority yearn for Islamic Shari’ah laws – but the country’s constitution is based on a pagan system – known as ‘Pancasila’. The current president of Indonesia - Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is also a Christian.













