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[anthony19832005]

anyways im of the view considering niqab to not be compulsory, but optional, as brother dot has shown with his references.

Sa'id ibn Jubayr, 'Ata and al-Awzai have stated explicitly that the showing of the face and hands is permissible.
Some said she should cover all her body except the face, the hands, and the foot. This is the saying of Imam Abu Hanifa (in another narration), Al-Qasim, and Ath-thouri. Some said she should cover all her body except the face. This is the saying of Ibn Hanbal and Dawood.

No one said the face of a woman is loins (‘Aura) except a weak narration from Ibn Hanbal and some Shafi’i scholars!
Some said a woman should cover all of her body except the face and the hands. This is the saying of Imam Malik, Al-Hadi, Al-Qasim (in one of his narrations), and Imam Abu Hanifa (in one of his two narrations).
Sa'id ibn Jubayr, 'Ata and al-Awzai have stated explicitly that the showing of the face and hands is permissible. 'Aishah (ra), Qatadah, and others have added bracelets to what may be shown of the adornments; this interpretation implies that a part of the arm may also be shown. Various scholars (such as Abu Yusuf) have allowed the exposure of the lower part of the arm up to a length varying between about four inches to one-half of the arm.

Ibn Hazm is the Imam of the Dhahiri schools (Literal schools) mentioned many accidents prove that it is not required for a woman to cover her face.

Edited by anthony19832005, 19 June 2006 - 11:15 PM.

[Mayoush]

Assalam Aleikom Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Probably I am not all knowledge in Islam and probably I don't have read a lot of Hadiths, I seek refuge and knowledge in Allah ( swt ) but for my humble understanding I take this from the Holly Qouran...

... And tell the belivieng women to lower their gaze from looking at forbidden thing and protect their private parts from illegal sexual acts and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent ( like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc ) and to draw their veils all over jurubihinna ( i.e. bodies, faces, necks and blossoms ) and not to reveal their adornement except for their husbands, fathers, or their sons or their husbands sons or their bothers sons or their mothers sons or their sisters sons, or their muslim women ( i.e. sisters in Islam).... Surah 24. An Aur Aya # 31

From my point of view the issue regarding wearing or not wearing neqab will always be controversial, specially for sisters living in western countries ( which is my case ). Those who does it for the sake of Allah ( swt ) they will get their reward by Him Insh'Allah, personally i decided to became a neqabi sister, I made my desition last year during the Holly month of Ramadan, but unfortunatelly here in America i had suffer hassle in the streets, i got insulted and being called names, I am sure everybody this days knows what I am talking about. I am a 18 year old girl but my Iman is strong, i decided to remove niqab temporary more by the pression of my parents, they fear for me if I had to go out to school or even to the store, but as I said is temporary because I am sure I will wear it again soon insh'Allah.

But from my experience i must tell that i felt more free in my religion when i had my face cover, i felt more protected and more strong, also i felt more in peace, is another feeling when u can see the world but nobody cant see you, I felt honored!!!

Its true that hijab is mendatory I dont have no doubts about it and i know niqab is something extra that if you do it for the sake of Allah you will find yourself very very strong, I felt it, I lived it, and Insh'Allah i will do it again and this time i wont remove it...

All my prayers and dua'as for the sisters who wears niqab, I really admire you.

[7ai_3la_Alsalah]

I also admire sisters who wear Niqab despite of al opposition against them wither it's from parents or relatives or friends or people around, it really makes me feel the Honor and Glory of Islam when I see a Niqabi woman walking by her hubby and their kids between them and on the contrary another woman shows more than what she should cover, the 2 extremes make me think, what would make a Woman like that Niqabi one bears hot weather, sarcasm from people and al hardship to keep herself covered unless it's with great strength and sincere faith of Allah and truthful belief that her beauty, honor and precious in protecting herself and hiding her beauty from al others except her Husband.
My Advice to al Niqabi women to keep strong and knowing that your so precious in front of Allah and his pious believers.

[light]

As a female muslim...Allah asked me to cover all but my face and hands....covering the face is optional and is a great thing that a muslim women can do espichally in times like this where its being fought everywhere.

but ofcource its not good when its compulsory or convinced to be wearen by 10 and 12 year old's!!!

but it is a beautiful thing to do for Allah.

[rachid_usmc]

Assalaamu'alaikum,

This is why I question this religion all the time. To even concieve of looking at something considered "haram" will instantly doom me and I'm suddenly the embodiement of evil. Even the face of a woman. And if a woman for some odd reason a woman decides to show her ankle or forearm, she's suddenly breaking serious Islamic laws and can be punished....

I'm glad that there is a debate of the obligatory status of the hijab (especially in this day and age). I feel that women should have the right to dress accordingly while maintaining the modesty require of Islam (wether it be the hijab or niqab or neither). If suddenly the niqab becomes a requirement, it would be troubling to me....even if it is a "beautiful" thing to do for Allah.
Frankly, I see nothing "honorable" or "glorious" when a woman wears the niqab. It appears more as a traditional thing similar to how Sikhs who wears their turban or a Japaneese woman who wears their kimonos everywhere. Also, probably due to the fact that i've never actually seen it before until recently in the news or magazines which is why as a Muslim myself, I actually find it very foreign and shocked to hear that it may actually be required for my wife (when I marry).

I dunno, perhaps I'm not as a good Muslim as I should be, but thats just my opinions.

Assalaamu'alaikum

[zulfikar ali]

"In other words niqab really makes men respect women. "

By deterring them from looking or speaking to them?


How is that respect? that is reservation and mistrust, people shy away from things they mistrust, do no confuse that with respect, respect is not fear.

If you work in the western world, you will be aware that women here have fought for a long time to be accepted in the work place as equals, as yet not totally achieved, but it is something women are keen to keep. Why should they hide their faces if they want parity?

If someone is uncomfortable working in a mixed environment then surely they have a choice to not work there.

Most men who talk to women at work do so out of necessity, not out of lust, if you ascribe their attention as lustful then you are giving yourself a false image of what people do and are, ie you are displaying the same mistrust of them as they of you when you wear the niqab. It has to work both ways.

" it really makes me feel the Honor and Glory of Islam when I see a Niqabi woman"

Even though it is not Islamic?

In the UK only 2% of Muslim women wear niqab, that is a minute figure, I can't see the fuss created by that in all honesty, however I can see why not being able to see someone's face is disconcerting when say negotiating etc. Ok maybe in a nation where women don't have prominent posts in business and government that might be ok, but in the west it is normal and not seen as low to see a woman's face.

[Mansoor Ansari]

My wife wears niqab & what we noticed was that men don't look at my wife or pay any attention to her. All the stares, glares & nasty comments come from women.

Couple of men did come to ask us abt niqab, what is it & why do muslims wear it. Some of them had their kids with them & they said their wanted their kids to know abt different religion & cultures. And some of American friends say that they wish thier wives wore niqab, that way other men will not stare at them.

[mac111]

only advice try yr best .....to achive 100% niqab if possible.......good luck try yr best..

[*Dreamer*]

asalamu alaikum

Looking at the evidences for both sides I personally feel that it is not obligatory for women to wear niqaab. I do like however that I have the option to wear one if I like. So I started wearing one. Right here in Canada. Niqaab is a form of hijab that was worn by the Wives of the prophet and some of the women of the sahaba but it was not limited to them. Niqaab was not in the culture of the arabs of that time but started with the women of ansar.

Some may find it hard to believe that someone might want to wear one, especially in a country like canada or that I am segregating myself far from society but they couldn't be more wrong. I work as a nurse. I greet my nieghbours and friends. They may not be able to see my expression but they can definately understand me as I speak clearly and convey whatever message I want.

As for the possibility that men might dress up like a woman and commit crimes........well that's exactly what it is; A possibility. But then again there's lots of things that men could possibly do..

As for all of us looking the same......It's how you wear it and what type. I'm sure Amani would agree.

[Elidicious]

[at]Mansor--"My wife wears niqab & what we noticed was that men don't look at my wife or pay any attention to her"--before She wore it, did all men use to notice her?

Edited by Elidicious, 19 February 2007 - 06:08 PM.

[anthony19832005]

Peace

Are you trying to imply that only "ugly" women wear niqab?

Salaams

[shez]

@Mansor--"My wife wears niqab & what we noticed was that men don't look at my wife or pay any attention to her"--before She wore it, did all men use to notice her?

you dont know but the thing is even if she gets noticed more than before that doesnt matter as no one can see her? and can i just say that while i agree that you are allowed to have an opinion you shouldnt say "ban the veil" you can say "i dont LIKE it" or i dont like the people wearing it etc etc.. because when you say "i think veil should be banned" then you are insulting as we all know there are many stupid laws in UK but we still have to obey them, and i am not saying veil is a stupid law but just because you dont understand fully doesnt mean it isnt accepted.


i think a muslim woman should wear niqab since it has been ordered to.

[Mansoor Ansari]

@Mansor--"My wife wears niqab & what we noticed was that men don't look at my wife or pay any attention to her"--before She wore it, did all men use to notice her?

yes...

she used to wear niqab but she came to America with me, I told her not to wear the niqab for some time. But after a month she told me she doesn't like going out without a niqab as too many men look at her & also that she feels very uncomfortable without the niqab.

[anthony19832005]

i think a muslim woman should wear niqab since it has been ordered to.

Women are only required to wear hijab, not niqab. Niqab is optional.

Salaams

[Mansoor Ansari]

Women are only required to wear hijab, not niqab. Niqab is optional.

brother, both sides of opinions have strong evidence to back thier stance.

[anthony19832005]

Peace

i think a muslim woman should wear niqab since it has been ordered to.

Then why use such strong language bro? You might make sisters who wear the hijab (not the niqab) feel like they aren't doing enough, when in fact according to most scholars it is enough.

Salaams

[shez]

Peace
Then why use such strong language bro? You might make sisters who wear the hijab (not the niqab) feel like they aren't doing enough, when in fact according to most scholars it is enough.

Salaams

why are you scolding him lol, it was me who said it, by hijab i mean the one where all of your body is covered except for your face and hands. but yeah they should either do hijab or niqab but atleast do one of them as it is i see many women imitating western people and try to look good when infact they look ugly no offence.

[Pe@ce]

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[darla_1753]

Salaam,

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Was wondering on people's opinions of the above. Seemed like a well reasoned arguement to me.

It basically says:
1. Issue of Niqaab is contraversial
2. But amoungst those scholars who think it is obligatory, when do they say is is permissible to remove it?
3. the Niqaab in the west

Peace and Love,

DARLA