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[Ron Shirt]

Definitely a controversial topic in terms of making the simple things quite complicated problems.

So, what is so "evil" about music then?

Music is a patternized sound that can bring about pleasure in hearing it (or from the consequences of hearing it).

Hmm. When you hear something which eventually annoys you, even if it is something as primitive as a continously loud noise, then you want to avoid it. This can be associated to something "evil", though I wouldn't jump to such a scary word such as that.

One music might be liked by person A and might be disliked by person B (and not just because of personal taste - it might be because it reminds them of something personal, like a traumatic incident), so in this way, Person B can attribute the music to be "evil".

So what is the "issue" of music in Islam?

Music is found in virtually every part of the world, and has been since the time that mankind started to develop. I don't know if it's unique to the Qur'an that some people seem to have a problem with it. Possibly connected with the perception of 'invoking evil spirits'. Voodoo, black magic - so-called invocation of emotive feelings and so on.
The real problem for me, is that if the Qur'an said that Muslims should hide their heads in a bucket of sand every week, then this is obviously what they should do.

Does anyone understand this?

salaam,

ron

[akhtar]

I don't think this subject of music is black and White, it's not as straight forward as a yes or no answer, depends?

[Redeem]

This section is for quoting the rulings and views of scholars regarding controversial issues, and whether its compulsory or voluntarily, permissible or unlawful. Post your views only if you are a scholar. That section is not open for discussing the logic behind them, nor for criticizing such issues. It is thus not suitable for non-Muslims to post here, unless they have questions or need more info. Other than that, please keep in mind that our Islamic rulings are not open for criticism in this section.

[Ron Shirt]

This section is for quoting the rulings and views of scholars regarding controversial issues, and whether its compulsory or voluntarily, permissible or unlawful. Post your views only if you are a scholar. That section is not open for discussing the logic behind them, nor for criticizing such issues. It is thus not suitable for non-Muslims to post here, unless they have questions or need more info. Other than that, please keep in mind that our Islamic rulings are not open for criticism in this section.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that this section of the forum was open to Muslim scholars only. Could you let me know which rule I was infringing?

Thanks,


ron

[Redeem]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that this section of the forum was open to Muslim scholars only. Could you let me know which rule I was infringing?

Thanks,
ron

The reminder was more general for the members, though that no longer applies.

Salam.

[jawadMH]

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[Ron Shirt]

Besides, this hadith does not clearly prohibit the use of musical instruments, for the phrase 'consider as lawful,' according to Ibn Al-`Arabi, has two distinct meanings:

First: Such people think all these (the things mentioned) are lawful.

Second: They exceed the proper limits that should be observed in using these instruments. If the first meaning is intended, such people would be thus disbelievers.

In fact, the hadith in hand dispraises the manners of a group of people who indulge themselves in luxuries, drinking alcohol and listening to music. Therefore, Ibn Majah narrates this hadith from Abu Malik Al-Ash`ari in the following wording: "From among my followers there will be some people who will drink wine, giving it other names while they listen to musical instruments and the singing of female singers; Allah the Almighty will make the earth swallow them and will turn them into monkeys and pigs." (Reported by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih)

I noticed that you mentioned 'Ibn -el Arabi'. I presume you are referring to the well know Sufi scholar, known as the 'Pole of knowlege' or 'Qutb of the Time'.
I also would note that it is not permisible to speak of 'sect related issues;' on this forum.

Obviously, 'listening to music and the singing of female singers' would be considered as Haram to western ears, i think.

regards,

ron

[Younes]

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

A detailed fatwa:

http://qa.sunnipath....sp?HD=1&ID=1786

[dot]

What a disgusting fatwa. What kind of ill-minded creature that compares adultery to music? What kind of lunatic human that feels sexually aroused when listening to the works of Beethoven, Chopin or Mozart?
Such muftis are a disgrace not only to Islam but to the human race.

[Younes]

What a disgusting fatwa. What kind of ill-minded creature that compares adultery to music? What kind of lunatic human that feels sexually aroused when listening to the works of Beethoven, Chopin or Mozart?
Such muftis are a disgrace not only to Islam but to the human race.

Wa 'alaikumu as-salamu

I advise you to repent. Most of the scholars of Islam consider musical instruments haram because they are mentioned in the Hadiths along with adultery by the Prophet (pbuh).

[Nightingale]

I grew up with music all my life. Indeed, I was in orchestra, band, marching band and jazz band during school. As such, I have always tended to struggle with the idea of all music being haram. I despise and won't listen to rap mostly because it does have sexual or other unwholesome themes, however when I tend to listen to orchestral tracks (considering that I worked in film for my entire adult life until two years ago), I don't do so for any bad or perverse reason. I do it because it reminds me of beauty, much like nature does. I don't think that is wrong personally. But I admit I am not a scholar and I am still learning. As brother Dot said, without Beethoven, Mozart and others, the world would be a much darker place in my opinion.

Is music like that truly as bad as adultery? I myself can't see it. Maybe I'm blind.

[dot]

At the time of our beloved prophet, music was part of the adultery scene.. it was played in brothels where prostitutes dance to drunken men and group sex committed as fagets played the music for them. No wonder music was given a bad name at the time.
Musical instruments are like knives. You use them to prepare a nice meal for your family, others use them to kill people.
Musical scales has been used in Quran reciting and adhan 5 times a day each day from the time of the prophet until today. The same musical scales can be used to write horny songs and seducing music. Harmony is one of Almighty Allah's creations, and we were made to taste and feel them with our senses. Just like sex, its lawful to enjoy it in halal relations, while its a major sin outside marriage. Almighty Allah made us with brains to think, so halal is obvious, and haram is obvious.. only to those who use their minds.

[Perseveranze]

What a disgusting fatwa. What kind of ill-minded creature that compares adultery to music? What kind of lunatic human that feels sexually aroused when listening to the works of Beethoven, Chopin or Mozart?
Such muftis are a disgrace not only to Islam but to the human race.

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Even if you don't agree with a scholar, we shouldn't begin to insult them like this. Scholars throughout Islamic history disagreed with each other, but didn't resort to insults.

[Younes]

I do it because it reminds me of beauty, much like nature does. I don't think that is wrong personally. But I admit I am not a scholar and I am still learning. As brother Dot said, without Beethoven, Mozart and others, the world would be a much darker place in my opinion.

Is music like that truly as bad as adultery? I myself can't see it. Maybe I'm blind.

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

Nobody has said that music is as bad as adultery.

I kind of find it odd that Beethoven's and Mozart's music has an impact on how bright the world is as a place.

[Nightingale]

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

Nobody has said that music is as bad as adultery.

I kind of find it odd that Beethoven's and Mozart's music has an impact on how bright the world is as a place.

Mainly it is emotional. As I said, I was a musician from the time I was a child up through my teens and a little further beyond. I also write and I worked on film locations so mucis was one of my ways of coping with stress and loneliness too. When I drive to work, I have orchestral music from soundtracks in my car most of the time. It beats listening to depressing news reports all day.

Though I will say this: I got so fed up of listening to Christmas music at work last month.I tend to be choosy on what I listen to, but that's my personal thing.

[dot]

no comment.

[Tea Spoon]

What a disgusting fatwa. What kind of ill-minded creature that compares adultery to music? What kind of lunatic human that feels sexually aroused when listening to the works of Beethoven, Chopin or Mozart?
Such muftis are a disgrace not only to Islam but to the human race.

 

[There is a hadith that says something like "one era will come where the Muslim scholars will be the worst people under the sky" ... Maybe we are living this era (Fitan) ?

 

But I may say absurd things, I ask for some scholar here to answer my question please

 

 

Tea Spoon]