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The Dislike Of The Salaf In Giving Faataawaa


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#1 Aboo Uthmaan

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 06:48 PM

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This is similar to the hatred of the Salaf-us-Saalih (the Pious Predecessors) that a person should put himself forward to give religious verdicts (fataawaa) and to crave them, and to hasten to it, and to do it in excess.

Ibn Lahee`ah reports from `Ubaydullaah ibn Abee Ja`far in mursal form from the Prophet (saw) that he said,

"He who is boldest from you in giving religious verdicts, will be the boldest in proceeding to the Fire" [It is reported by ad-Daarimee 1/57 and its chain of narration is weak since it is mursal (i.e. there is a missing link or links between the last narrator and the Prophet (saw)].

`Alqamah said,

"They used to say, 'The boldest of you in giving religious verdicts is the one having the least knowledge.'"

Al-Baraa' said,

"I met a hundred and twenty of the Ansaar from the Companions of Allaah's Messenger (saw) and when one of them was asked about a matter there was not a single man amongst them except that he wished that his brother would suffice him (by answering)."

[This saying is reported by ad-Daarimee (1/53) and Ibn `Abdul-Barr in Jaami` (2/163).However it is the saying of `Abdur-Rahmaan ibn Abee Laylaa and not the saying of al-Baraa`, and its chain of narration is saheeh. As for the saying of al-Baraa`, then it is, "I saw three hundred of the people of Badr, there was not a single one of them except that he loved that someone else should take his place in answering." It is reported by Ibnul-Mubaarak in az-Zuhd (no. 58), ibn Sa`d (6/11) and others and its isnaad contains Aboo Ishaaq as-Sabee`ee who is acceptable (sadooq) except that he was mudallis and reports it without stating that he heard it directly.]

In a narration there occurs the addition,

"…so this one would refer it to another, and he would refer it to someone else until it would eventually return to the first one."

From Ibn Mas`ood, (ra), who said,

"The one who gives a religious verdict to the people about everything that he is asked is indeed insane." [Reported by Ibn `Abdul-Barr (2/164-165), al-Khateeb in al-Faqeeh wal-Mutafaqqih (2/197-198) and Aboo Khaithamah in al-`Ilm (no. 10) and its chain of narration is saheeh.]

`Umar ibn `Abdul-`Azeez was asked about a question and replied,

"I am not one who is bold about giving religious verdicts."

He also wrote to one of his governors,

"By Allaah I am not one who craves after giving religious verdicts, as long as I can find a way to avoid it."

Ibn Yameenah said,

"This affair is not for those who love that the people should have need of them, rather this affair is only for those who love that someone can be found to take their place."

It is also reported from him that he said,

"The most knowledgeable of people concerning religious verdicts is the one who is most often silent, and the most ignorant of people about them is the one who speaks the most with regard to them."

[Reported by al-Khateeb in al-Faqeeh wal-Mutafaqqih (2/166) and its isnaad is weak.]

Sufyaan ath-Thawree said, "We reached the scholars and they used to hate answering questions and giving religious verdicts until they could find no way out except to give a verdict, but if they were relieved of having to do so then that was more beloved to them."

Imaam Ahmad said,

"He who puts himself forward to give religious verdicts has put himself forward to something very serious, unless he is forced through necessity."

It was said to him,

"Then which is better: for him to speak or to remain silent?"

He said,

"It is more beloved to us that he should withhold."

It was said,

"But if there is a necessity?" So he started saying,

"Necessity! Necessity!"

And he said,

"It is safer for him to withhold."

So those who give religious verdicts should realise that they are transmitting Allaah's orders and prohibitions and that he will be made to stand to account and be questioned about it.

Ar-Rabee` ibn Khaitham said,

"O giver of religious verdicts! Look and see how you are giving verdicts."


`Amr ibn Deenaar said to Qataadah when he sat to give religious
verdicts,

"Do you realise the affair that you have fallen into? You have come between Allaah and His worshippers and say, 'This is correct and this is not correct.'" [Reported by al-Khateeb in al-Faqeeh wal-Mutafaqqih (2/168)]

From Ibnul-Munkadir who said,

"The scholar enters between Allaah and His creation, so let him look and see how he enters between them." [Reported with variations in wording by ad-Daarimee (1/53), and al-Khateeb in al-Faqeeh wal-Mutafaqqih (2/168) and its isnaad is saheeh.]

When Ibn Seereen was asked about anything pertaining to the permissible and forbidden his colour would change and he would alter so that he would not seem to be the same person. [Reported by ibn Sa`d (7/195), al-Khateeb in al-Faqeeh wal-Mutafaqqih (2/167) and its isnaad is saheeh].

When an-Nakhaa`ee was asked about something then hatred would be seen upon his face and he would say,

"Could you not find someone else to ask other than me?"

He also said,

"I spoke and if I had found any way out I would not have spoken, and indeed a time when I am the scholar of Koofah is an evil time."

[Reported in meaning by Aboo Khaithamah in al-`Ilm (no. 131).]

It is related that Ibn `Umar, (ra), said,

"You ask us for religious verdicts in such a manner that it is as if we are people who are not going to be questioned about the verdicts that we give you." [Reported by al-Fasawee (1/490) and al-Khateeb in al-Faqeeh wal-Mutafaqqih (2/168) and its isnaad is weak.]

Also from Muhammad ibn Waasi` who said, "The first of those who will be called to account are the scholars." It is reported about Maalik, (ra), that when he was asked about a matter it was as if he were standing between the Paradise and the Hell-Fire. [Reported by al-Khateeb in al-Faqeeh wal-Mutafaqqih (2/167) and its isnaad is weak.]

One of the scholars also said to a person who used to give religious verdicts,

"When you are asked about a matter then do not let your concern be to release and find a way out for the questioner, but rather to release and save your own self." [The one who said this was `Umar ibn Khaldah az-Zurqee and he was speaking to Rabee`ah ibn Abee `Abdir-Rahmaan. This narration is reported with very close wordings by al-Fasawee (1/556-557), Aboo Nu`aym in al-Hilyah (3/260-261) and al-Khateeb in al-Faqeeh wal-Mutafaqqih (2/169) and its isnaad is
saheeh.]

Another said,

"If you are asked about a matter then consider - if you find a way out of it then speak, otherwise remain silent." The sayings of the Salaf about this are too many to quote and gather.

Edited by Al Faqeer, 11 December 2004 - 07:07 AM.


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Posted 09 December 2004 - 07:22 PM

Bismillah,

salaam,

jazakallah for sharing.

wa.salaam

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 08:25 PM

Bismillah,

salaam,

jazakallah for sharing.

wa.salaam

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Walaikum Salaam,

Wa eyyakum.

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Posted 10 December 2004 - 06:01 PM

:D Akhee

Jazak'Allahukhair for this excellent post, :D

I really do feel all the brothers and sisters that frequent this forum should read this article very carefully and then think twice before being so "trigger happy" in issuing fatwas on this site as THAT is indeed what I find more and more posters doing on this site.

Your posting truly highlights the significance of this affair and I for one found it as a very appropriate reminder. Jazak'Allahukhair once again for the post.

Note to Moderators: If possible I think would be very beneficial if you could maybe put this post at the top of the [img]"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.google(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/search?q=Islamic+forum&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official"]Islamic forum[/url] (as a "pinned" or "sticky") as a reminder to all posters insh'Allah.

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Edited by Abu_Du'a, 10 December 2004 - 06:03 PM.


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Posted 11 December 2004 - 12:03 AM

Walaikum Salaam,

Dear brother Abu Du'a.

Wa eyyakum.

Was-Salaamu Alaikum,

Abu Suhaylah.

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 12:28 AM

What should be kept in mind is that whatever 'fatwas' in this forum by our brothers should not be understood as issuing 'fatwas'. In fact the termed 'fatwas' is incorrect. They are just 'opinions' and not 'fatwas' and should be accepted as such and therefore not binding.

Only those scholars who had the ability of a 'mujtahid' could issue 'fatwas' and as all of us here knows the requirements to become a mujtahid involved deep understanding of the Qur'an, hadiths 'ushul fiqh and many other sciences.

In giving opinions on any matters related to the Deen, we as layman should based our opinions on those 'fatwas' already issued by the scholars which we had accepted and understand and not based on our own lame understanding and shallow knowledge.

If any of our brothers gave an 'opinion' which we deem incorrect then we should response to correct it in a brotherly way and share our disagreements without resulting in division.

Ultimately whatever opinions we agreed with must be based on authethic hadiths and sunnah of our Prophet s.a.w. :D

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 12:42 AM

Assalaamu Alaikum,

Dear brother Zainuddin Shariff,

I think most are aware that what people state are just opinions, but we should be careful in stating our opinions without having knowledge in that which we have an opinion on, and this was the intent behind this post, for an explanation of what I am getting at please refer to:

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Was-Salaamu Alaikum,

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 05:54 AM

Wa'alaikum Salam brother, Understood. Glad any misunderstandings is cleared. :D

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Posted 23 December 2004 - 06:58 PM

Assalamu Aleikum

We should remember that the crookedness of the religion of Christianity exists because everyone who does or did not have knowledge gave fatwah or opinions and then people became obsessed with their verdicts and then some of them were politically more powerful so that they made their own verdicts compulsury for everyone. I seek refuge in knowledge that does not benefit us. The Christians started out as a Muslim community but then they started giving verdicts and discussing about the nature of God and the nature of the Messiah and everyone was asked and everyone was willing to give verdicts, but they did not check what the prophets had to say or they did not go to scholars who already had knowledge. People without knowledge and without taqwa or khoshiya, the fear of God is the fruit of knowledge B), became "scholars" and created councils which produced falsehood and falsehood and more falsehood. Lowly people talked idle talk but the result was as we see now.

Just check out the Christian Discussion Forums to see how the give verdicts not just opinions.

Salam

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Posted 23 December 2004 - 10:07 PM

:P

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What about giving nasi7a based on Quran and Sunnah? Is that considered as giving fatwa? Also what about copying and pasting a fatwa from a scholar?

:P

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Posted 27 December 2004 - 10:41 PM

Assalamu Aleikum

We should remember that the crookedness of the religion of Christianity exists because everyone who does or did not have knowledge gave fatwah or opinions and then people became obsessed with their verdicts and then some of them were politically more powerful so that they made their own verdicts compulsury for everyone. I seek refuge in knowledge that does not benefit us. The Christians started out as a Muslim community but then they started giving verdicts and discussing about the nature of God and the nature of the Messiah and everyone was asked and everyone was willing to give verdicts, but they did not check what the prophets had to say or they did not go to scholars who already had knowledge. People without knowledge and without taqwa or khoshiya, the fear of God is the fruit of knowledge  B), became "scholars" and created councils which produced falsehood and falsehood and more falsehood. Lowly people talked idle talk but the result was as we see now.

Just check out the Christian Discussion Forums to see how the give verdicts not just opinions.

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Asalaamualaikum

i agree with this. I think the only time when we should take something literally is whena brother and sister provides us with information which is backed up with authentic sources i.e. Quran and Saheeh hadith, anything anyone says should always be backed up. i think that is the most important key to being successful and being sure of what you leanr, and is the main reason why this site alhamdulillah has done so well.

Never take literally anything that someone says without them backing it up first

Ma'salaama

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 08:57 PM

Asalam Alaikum

A very very good post. I tend to propagate this message across when i can also, however i know were not all perfect and we all do this.

But the main message which seems to be not given importance these days is:


Forget the 3 faults of others, dont get on a soapbox, thinking you are better than others, but instead of talking about those 3 things which you dont like in other people.

Worry about the 18,300 and 56 faults that are your own. Fix them first (in the grand quest for knowledge) - then go about giving lots of advice to other people.

i think this post should be on every section of this board.

Salaam

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Posted 01 January 2005 - 11:10 PM

Assalamu Aleikum wa Rahmatullahee wa Barakatu

Just to look at the faults of others is wrong because first you have to fix the problems in your own house before you go to other houses and fix their problems. I remember a saying attributed to 'Isa ben Maryam aleihi salam he called a person a hypocrite or munafig, who tries to pull the speck from a brothers eye but does not consider that he has a beam in his own eye. This is double standard, not practicing what one is preaching. You may enjoin good and forbid evil but you do not refrain from the same evil and do not enjoin the same good deeds.

What is mean in my above post is that one must or should learn from the mistakes of earlier generation so you do not do the same mistakes. The Quran is filled with the stories of ben Isra'eel because we are the ummah after the Children of Isra'eel Ya'qoub. Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala did not put all the stories just for entertainment but to learn from actual facts and history.

May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala combine us with Rasulullah Sallallahoo aleihi wassallam at the pool of al-Kawthar.

Salam

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 03:40 AM

Assalamualikum,
Jazakallah, i've learned a lot from this

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 11:00 AM

:D

Alhamdulillah, this is a sign of Islamic revival.Looking for every opportunity to get close to Allah and his mercy,Islam.

I agree with all of its content to the T. Not every Ahmed & Muhammad can give fatwa, neither they have knowledge nor they elligible.

But, i have a question. Are we trying to limit the process of Ijthihaad?!

I know the question doesnt sound vivid. Let me explain my question very clearly.

Before trying to quote or trying to extract meaning out of hadith, we need to know on what instances those words are occured. Even though,it words are very explicit and general it still can make different meaning for different instances.

If we(muslims) had asked,what has been made clear in the quran to the scholars,they would have preferred it and more easy to quote from Quran. And when we asked something which is out of quran and they have to use their intellectual ability and has to come to decision within the scope of Islam, then they would have differed from it. Since,those decisions become a responsibility.

For example. If you had asked If you eat without saying "Bismi Allah" is it halal or haram, it would have been easy for them.They would have answered right away from quran . Refer 5:3. As simple as that.

But if we ask them, hyppothetical questions like, wat if when i am in a desert,attacked by hunger and thirsty and i have no food available..can i eat caricature?! they probably think twice. THis is wat scholars would avoid, bcoz these kind of questions give them unwanted responsibility.

Wat is my point?!

My point is that Salaf( pious predecessors) had advantage of living in Islamic state,which we dont have now. All they have to do is keep their deen simple and basic..and let the Amir -ul -moomineen,scholars and qadis worry abt other issues. If Amir calls for Jihad, you walk behind them and he calls off, you have no grudge.

We dont have such facility, thats why living under khilafah is blessing for muslim ummah, thay can keep their life very simple and basic. Now, we need to rebuild this Islamic structure called Khilafah. THat makes ijthihaad as the most prominent tool to establish and bring back Allah's firmament in the earth. If we generalize the habit of Ijthihaad as too brazen or haste decision,then who would follow the ijthihaad of the scholars?!

So, my sincere suggestion,it is better to reserach on what topics those salaf withheld their opinion. In basic Islamic issues or hypothetical questions.

If it is hypothetical questions, then be assured,prophet(pbuh) himself informed us,not to ask questions like the followers of Moosa (a.s)

If there had been any good, it was from Allah. If it had been any bad and it is from me.

For ppl who ponder,there i enough left to do.

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 03:14 PM

Very interesting topic

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 03:15 PM

any books been written on this topic?

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 10:52 PM

Assalamu Aleikum wa Rahmatullahee wa Barakatu

The straight path which is the path of righteousness is narrow and Shaytan always tries to distract us. Either he encourages us to do evil deeds like giving Fatawa without knowledge, or on the other hand he tries to prevent you from doing the good deed like if you have the knowledge but you hide the knowledge do not convey it.

Shaytan want you to think oh if I convey the knowledge I give false fatwa.

It is an obligation to be silent if you do not know but if you know something then it is an obligation to convey it to others. Do not let Shaytan confuse you or trick you.

For example, it is an evil deed to memorize Qur'an but you do not recite it during the night nor do you practice it during the day. However, it is much worse not to learn or memorize the Qur'an. Shaytan will either distract you by detaching yourselves from al-qur'an or he makes you fear to learn Qur'an because you know the punishment of knowing the Qur'an but detachment from it, so that you refuse to learn and read Qur'an.

Another example is Riya, to show off, which is a minor shirk:
It is shirk to show off while praying, giving zakat or wearing hijab in the Masjid while taking it of as soon she is outside. However, Shaytan is tricky. He knows the heedless and he knows the one who is aware. Shaytan will inspire the heedless to show off, but those who are aware of Riya Shaytan will prevent from doing the good deed because he is so scared about Riya. For example, if you pray to show off in the masjid and to impress others then it is riba but this does not mean that you cannot pray in the public. For example, zakat or sadaqa can be given secretly or in public. There is a secret zakat and there is public zakat. For example if there is a public fundraiser dinner Shaytan either inspires you to give the money to show off or he tries to prevent you from giving the public zakat or sadaqa because he whispers in you mind that this what you do is Riya. This person would do a good deed by giving it public because sadaqa and zakat are good deeds and she or he invites others to do a good deed. However, if he or she listens to the whispers of Shaytan then he or she might believe that this is riya and he or she might decide to give it in private later, but when it is time to give it Shaytan will make this person forget to give the money.

So my brothers and sisters. In our lives there will be always the choice of water, milk, and wine. Remember when Allah tested Rasulullah: He was asked to choose from three choices: water, milk, wine. Muhammad chose milk. I hope you choose milk, too because this is the straight path and the path of righteousness. The choices of water and wine are the tricks of Shaytan either to inspire you to do evil deeds or to put fear or confusion in you mind to prevent you from doing the good deeds.

Salam

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 10:51 PM

:D

mashallah, thats was a really really really good post!! :D :D for sharing it brother.

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 07:48 PM

:D
jazakallah for sharing as well...water milk and wine....why did the Prophet peace be upon him choose milk for? im sorry i do not understand why as you have not said why he chose that..please explain. jazakallah
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