For some people no conspiracy theory is too far fetched.
Ever read the Turner Diaries Yasnov? Do you believe that the events in that book are gonna happen also?
Is The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion On Sale?
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Posted 22 June 2007 - 06:14 PM
Dunno bout the events you are referring to, but the book gives some insight into the mindset of White supremacists in the USA. And some atrocities committed by white supremacist groups and individuals were inspired by the book.For some people no conspiracy theory is too far fetched.
Ever read the Turner Diaries Yasnov? Do you believe that the events in that book are gonna happen also?
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Posted 23 June 2007 - 09:40 AM
True, but it is the mindset of a disturbed minority with no power and was written by someone who is himself a racist.
Their is no evidence that anyone who is Jewish wrote the Protocols. In fact all the evidence points the other way, in that it was written by people in order to make Jews look bad.
How can a book written by anti-Jewish people give true insight into the Jewish mindset? It can't.
That would be like having some rabid anti-Muslim writing a treatise about how Muslims are going to take over the world then pawn it off as written by a secret Muslim society. Even if a majority of people ignored it or recognized it for what it was, there would still be a minority that would read it and believe it was true.
That is exactly what has happened with the Protocols.
Their is no evidence that anyone who is Jewish wrote the Protocols. In fact all the evidence points the other way, in that it was written by people in order to make Jews look bad.
How can a book written by anti-Jewish people give true insight into the Jewish mindset? It can't.
That would be like having some rabid anti-Muslim writing a treatise about how Muslims are going to take over the world then pawn it off as written by a secret Muslim society. Even if a majority of people ignored it or recognized it for what it was, there would still be a minority that would read it and believe it was true.
That is exactly what has happened with the Protocols.
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Posted 23 June 2007 - 03:00 PM
True, but it is the mindset of a disturbed minority with no power and was written by someone who is himself a racist.
Their is no evidence that anyone who is Jewish wrote the Protocols. In fact all the evidence points the other way, in that it was written by people in order to make Jews look bad.
How can a book written by anti-Jewish people give true insight into the Jewish mindset? It can't.
That would be like having some rabid anti-Muslim writing a treatise about how Muslims are going to take over the world then pawn it off as written by a secret Muslim society. Even if a majority of people ignored it or recognized it for what it was, there would still be a minority that would read it and believe it was true.
That is exactly what has happened with the Protocols.
Just did a amazon check for the book. Even Mr. Pearson, a notorious anti-Jew thought the book was ## which if ound hilarious. That and alot of the material was plaguraized from earlier political satire which originaly wasnt anti-Jewish. Im re-thinking buying it now. I dont mind a controversal book, but I do mind owning a crappy one.:S
In regards to your post, there are groups that match what your saying. Quite a few of em or rightwingers. Mr. Chick & Pals claims Islam to be a Catholic conspiracy and have wrote numerous tracts, articles and books on the subject. I personally enjoy them thou I guess its because I always do enjoy a good bit of fantasy
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Posted 23 June 2007 - 04:02 PM
Good, but just don't be too fully immersed in your fantasy, Isambard, otherwise people would have a great difficulty in bringing you back to reality. Perhaps that's why sometimes I don't really understand what you are sayingI personally enjoy them thou I guess its because I always do enjoy a good bit of fantasy
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Just a little advice from me ...
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Posted 23 June 2007 - 05:01 PM
Yes, conspiracy theories do tend to pull people away from reality.
For many it helps them to avoid having to face reality. Unfortunately it is much like closing the drapes because a tornado is on the way. Just because you can't see the tornado doesn't mean it won't blow your house away.
For many it helps them to avoid having to face reality. Unfortunately it is much like closing the drapes because a tornado is on the way. Just because you can't see the tornado doesn't mean it won't blow your house away.
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 12:24 PM
If it is fake, scholars would have said so, wouldn't they?Maybe the question should be "who are the scholars that say this is legitimate"?
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If it is fake, scholars would have said so, wouldn't they?
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Go to Wikepedia , or any number of Google caches .
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The Protocols are a fake and forgery used by antisemites to rationalize their view .
WIKEDPEDIA :
The Protocols in Nazi propaganda, 1930s-1940s
1943 Polish language edition, published in Poland under Nazi occupation, shows a typical antisemitic caricatureThe Protocols also became a part of the Nazi propaganda effort to justify persecution of the Jews. It was made required reading for German students. In The Holocaust: The Destruction of European Jewry 1933–1945, Nora Levin states that "Hitler used the Protocols as a manual in his war to exterminate the Jews":
Despite conclusive proof that the Protocols were a gross forgery, they had sensational popularity and large sales in the 1920s and 1930s. They were translated into every language of Europe and sold widely in Arab lands, the United States, and England. But it was in Germany after World War I that they had their greatest success. There they were used to explain all of the disasters that had befallen the country: the defeat in the war, the hunger, the destructive inflation.[37]
Hitler refers to the Protocols in Mein Kampf:
... To what extent the whole existence of this people is based on a continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. They are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans and screams once every week: the best proof that they are authentic. [...] the important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty they reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims.[38]
Hitler endorsed it in his speeches from August 1921 on, and it was studied in German classrooms after Nazis came to power. At the height of World War II, the Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels proclaimed: "The Zionist Protocols are as up-to-date today as they were the day they were first published."[24] In Norman Cohn's words, it served as the Nazis' "warrant for genocide".
[edit] Fascist Italy
While the first edition of the Protocols (1921) didn't have much success, in the wake of the growing alliance between Hitler's Germany and Fascist Italy, the Protocols were re-published in Italy in 1937 by Giovanni Preziosi with an introduction by Julius Evola.
[edit] Contemporary usage and popularity
While there is continued popularity of The Protocols in nations from South America to Asia, since the defeat of Nazi Germany and fascist Italy in the Second World War governments or political leaders in most parts of the world have generally avoided claims that The Protocols represent factual evidence of a real Jewish conspiracy. The exception to this is the Middle East, where a large number of Arab and Muslim regimes and leaders have endorsed them as authentic.
Past endorsements of The Protocols from Presidents Gamal Abdel Nasser and Anwar Sadat of Egypt, one of the President Arifs of Iraq, King Faisal of Saudi Arabia, and Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi of Libya, among other political and intellectual leaders of the Arab world, are echoed by 21st century endorsements from the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Sheikh Ekrima Sa'id Sabri and Hamas to the education ministry of Saudi Arabia.[39]
[edit] Middle East
As popular opposition to israel spread across the Middle East in the years following its creation in 1948, many Arab governments funded new printings of the Protocols, and taught them in their schools as historical fact. They have been accepted as such by many Islamist organizations, such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Reportedly, Arabic editions issued in the Middle East were found on sale as far away as London.[40] There are at least nine different Arabic translations of the Protocols and more editions than in any other language including German.[35] The Protocols also figure prominently in the antisemitic propaganda distributed internationally by the Arab countries and have spread to other Muslim countries, such as Pakistan, Malaysia, and Indonesia.[35]
[edit] Syria
This 2005 Syrian edition includes an "historical and contemporary investigative study" that repeats the blood libel among other antisemitic accusations, and argues that the Torah and Talmud encourage Jews "to commit treason and to conspire, dominate, be arrogant and exploit other countries". ITC CSSThe Protocols is a best-seller in Syria[41] and, together with other antisemitic materials published there, is distributed throughout the Arab world.[42] In 1997, the two-volume 8th edition of the Protocols, translated and edited by 'Ajaj Nuwayhid, was published by Mustafa Tlass's publishing house and exhibited and sold at the Damascus International Book Fair (IBF) and at the Cairo IBF. At the 2005 Cairo IBF a stand of the Syrian publisher displayed a new, 2005 edition of the Protocols authorized by the Syrian Ministry of Information.[43][44] In Syria government-controlled television channels occasionally broadcast mini-series concerning the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, along with several other anti-semitic themes.[45]
[edit] Egypt
During the presidency of Gamal Abdel Nasser, Egypt was the main source of internationally distributed antisemitic propaganda. In 1960, the Protocols were featured in an article published by Salah Dasuqi, military governor of Cairo, in al-Majallaaa, the official cultural journal.[35] In 1965, the Egyptian government released an English-language pamphlet titled israel, the Enemy of Africa and distributed it throughout the English-speaking countries of Africa. The pamphlet used the Protocols and The International Jew as its sources and concluded that all the Jews were cheats, thieves, and murderers.[35]
In a foreword to a translation of Shimon Peres' book The New Middle East, the Egyptian state-owned publisher al-Ahram editorialized in 1995:
'When The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were discovered, some 200 years ago, and translated in various languages, including Arabic, the World Zionist Organization attempted to deny the existence of the plot, and claimed forgery. The Zionists even endeavoured to purchase all the existing copies, in order to prevent their circulation. But today, Shimon Peres proves unequivocally that the Protocols are authentic, and that they tell the truth.'
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and their Biblical and Talmudic Origins, 2003 ed. by Ahmad H. al-Saqa, professor of Comparative Religion, Al-Azhar UniversityAn article in the Egyptian state-owned newspaper al-Akhbar on February 3, 2002 stated:
All the evils that currently affect the world are the doings of Zionism. This is not surprising, because the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which were established by their wise men more than a century ago, are proceeding according to a meticulous and precise plan and time schedule, and they are proof that even though they are a minority, their goal is to rule the world and the entire human race."
In October 2002, a private Egyptian television company Dream TV produced a 41-part "historical drama" A Knight Without a Horse (Fars Bela Gewad), largely based on the Protocols,[46] which ran on 17 Arabic-language satellite television channels, including government-owned Egypt Television (ETV), for a month, causing concerns in the West.[47] Egypt's Information Minister Safwat El-Sherif announced that the series "contains no antisemitic material".[48]
On November 17, 2003, an Egyptian weekly al-Usbu‘ reported that the manuscript museum at the Alexandria Library, displayed the first Arabic translation of the Protocols at the section of the holy books of Judaism, next to a Torah scroll. The museum's director Dr. Yousef Ziedan was quoted as saying in an interview:
"...it has become one of the sacred [texts] of the Jews, next to their first constitution, their religious law ... more important to the Zionist Jews of the world than the Torah, because they conduct Zionist life according to it ... It is only natural to place the book in the framework of an exhibit of Torah."[49]
It also quoted him as saying that no more than one million Jews were killed by the Nazis, but Zionists manipulated the "knowledge that has reached the world".[49] See also:- Holocaust denial.
Dr. Yousef Ziedan strongly denies these quotes, accusing al-Usbu‘ of attributing "fabricated, groundless lies" to him and stating that "the Protocols is a racist, silly, fabricated book":
"The story began with an article in an Egyptian newspaper, al-Usbu‘, two weeks ago (on November 17, 2003), which alleged quoting from me utterly senseless statements intertwining facts with fancies. A month before, a journalist from the aforementioned newspaper interviewed me concerning the recent refurbishment of the manuscript and rare book museum. I handed her a written statement, as was the case with other journalists who covered the same news. Although, she concluded her article with my exact words, she started it with fabricated, groundless lies. She falsely reported me saying that I placed an edition of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion at the center of the museum alongside the Jewish Torah and divine books. Moreover, she claimed that I told her that this book is more significant then the Torah... On my part, I would like to maintain to the visitors of ziedan###### that the Protocols is a racist, silly, fabricated book. Perhaps, I should consider more thoroughly the Jewish issue on the academic level and furnish my vision of the interaction of religions. As civilized people, we totally renounce racism and call for tolerance and constructive interaction between people."[50]
After the publication, director of the Library Dr. Ismail Serageldin issued a statement:
"Preliminary investigation determined that the book was briefly displayed in a showcase devoted to rotating samples of curiosities and unusual items in our collection. ... The book is a well-known 19th century fabrication to foment anti-Jewish feelings. The book was promptly withdrawn from public display, but its very inclusion showed bad judgment and insensitivity..."[51]
[edit] Iran
The first Iranian edition of the Protocols was issued during the summer of 1978 before the Iranian Revolution after which the Protocols were widely publicized by the Iranian government. A publication called Imam, published by the Iranian embassy in London, quoted extensively from the Protocols in its issues of 1984 and 1985.[35] In 1985 a new edition of the Protocols was printed and widely distributed by the Islamic Propagation Organization, International Relations Department, in Tehran. The Astaneh-ye Qods Razavi (Shrine of Imam Reza) Foundation in Mashhad, Iran, one of the wealthiest institutions in Iran, financed publication of the Protocols in 1994. Parts of the Protocols were published by the daily Jomhouri-ye Eslami in 1994, under the heading The Smell of Blood, Zionist Schemes. Sobh, a radical Islamic monthly, published excerpts from the Protocols under the heading The text of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion for establishing the Jewish global rule in its December 1998–January 1999 issue, illustrated with a caricature of the Jewish snake swallowing the globe.
Iranian writer and researcher Ali Baqeri, who researched the Protocols, finds their plan for world domination to be merely part of an even more grandiose scheme, saying in Sobh in 1999:
"The ultimate goal of the Jews... after conquering the globe... is to extract from the hands of the Lord many stars and galaxies".
In April 2004, the Iranian television station Al-Alam broadcast Al-Sameri wa Al-Saher, a series that reported as fact several conspiracy theories about the Holocaust, Jewish control of Hollywood, and the Protocols.[52] The Iran Pavilion of the 2005 Frankfurt Book Fair had the Protocols, as well as "The International Jew" (reprints from Henry Ford's The Dearborn Independent) available.[53]
On the other hand Iranian author Abdollah Shahbazi, known for his historical reports of several important events of Iran's history, has denied the authenticity of so-called protocoles officially on his website and has referred to several international investigations as the basis of his claim.[54]
[edit] Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabian schoolbooks contain explicit summaries of the Protocols as factual:
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion: These are secret resolutions, most probably of the aforementioned Basel congress. They were discovered in the nineteenth century. The Jews tried to deny them, but there was ample evidence proving their authenticity and that they were issued by the elders of Zion. The Protocols can be summarized in the following points:
Upsetting the foundations of the world's present society and its systems, in order to enable Zionism to have a monopoly of world government.
Eliminating nationalities and religions, especially the Christian nations.
Striving to increase corruption among the present regimes in Europe, as Zionism believes in their corruption and [eventual] collapse.
Controlling the media of publication, propaganda and the press, using gold for stirring up disturbances, seducing people by means of lust and spreading wantonness.
The cogent proof of the authenticity of these resolutions, as well as of the hellish Jewish schemes included therein, is the [actual] carrying out of many of those schemes, intrigues and conspiracies that are found in them. Anyone who reads them — and they were published in the nineteenth century — grasps today to what extent much of what is found there has been realized.[55]
According to Freedom House 2006 report, Saudi "textbook for boys for Tenth Grade on Hadith and Islamic Culture contains a lesson on the "Zionist Movement." It is a curious blend of wild conspiracy theories about Masonic Lodges, Rotary Clubs, and Lions Clubs with antisemitic invective. It asserts that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is an authentic document and teaches students that it reveals what Jews really believe. It blames many of the world’s wars and discord on the Jews."[56]
[edit] Lebanon and Hezbollah
In March 1970, the Protocols were reported to be the top 'nonfiction' bestseller in Lebanon.[57] The Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2004 by the US Department of State states that "the television series, Ash-Shatat ("The Diaspora"), which centred on the alleged conspiracy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to dominate the world, was aired in October and November 2003 by the Lebanon-based satellite television network Al-Manar, owned by Hezbollah."[58]
[edit] Hamas
The Charter of Hamas explicitly refers to the Protocols, accepting them as factual and makes several references to Freemasons as one of the "secret societies" controlled by "Zionists". The Article 32 of the Hamas Charter states:
The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.[59]
[edit] Palestinian National Authority
The PNA frequently used the Protocols in the media and education under their control and some Palestinian academics presented the forgery as a plot upon which Zionism is based. For example, on January 25, 2001, the official PNA daily Al-Hayat al-Jadida cited the Protocols on its Political National Education page to explain israel's policies:
Disinformation has been one of the bases of morale and psychological manipulation among the israelis ... The Protocols of the Elders of Zion did not ignore the importance of using propaganda to promote the Zionist goals. The second protocol reads: 'Through the newspapers we will have the means to propel and to influence'. In the twelfth protocol: 'Our governments will hold the reins of most of the newspapers, and through this plan we will possess the primary power to turn to public opinion.'
Later that year the same newspaper wrote: "The purpose of the military policy is to impose this situation on the residents and force them to leave their homes, and this is done in the framework of the Protocols of Zion..."[60]
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Sheikh Ekrima Sa'id Sabri appeared on the Saudi satellite channel Al-Majd on February 20, 2005, commenting on the assassination of the former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. "Anyone who studies The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and specifically the Talmud," he said, "will discover that one of the goals of these Protocols is to cause confusion in the world and to undermine security throughout the world."[61]
In 2005, it was reported that the Palestinian Authority was teaching the Protocols in schools. After media exposure, the PA promised to stop.[62] On May 19, 2005, The New York Times reported that Palestinian Authority Minister of Information Nabil Shaath removed from his ministry's web site an Arabic translation of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[63]
WIKEDPEDIA :
The Protocols in Nazi propaganda, 1930s-1940s
1943 Polish language edition, published in Poland under Nazi occupation, shows a typical antisemitic caricatureThe Protocols also became a part of the Nazi propaganda effort to justify persecution of the Jews. It was made required reading for German students. In The Holocaust: The Destruction of European Jewry 1933–1945, Nora Levin states that "Hitler used the Protocols as a manual in his war to exterminate the Jews":
Despite conclusive proof that the Protocols were a gross forgery, they had sensational popularity and large sales in the 1920s and 1930s. They were translated into every language of Europe and sold widely in Arab lands, the United States, and England. But it was in Germany after World War I that they had their greatest success. There they were used to explain all of the disasters that had befallen the country: the defeat in the war, the hunger, the destructive inflation.[37]
Hitler refers to the Protocols in Mein Kampf:
... To what extent the whole existence of this people is based on a continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. They are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans and screams once every week: the best proof that they are authentic. [...] the important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty they reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims.[38]
Hitler endorsed it in his speeches from August 1921 on, and it was studied in German classrooms after Nazis came to power. At the height of World War II, the Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels proclaimed: "The Zionist Protocols are as up-to-date today as they were the day they were first published."[24] In Norman Cohn's words, it served as the Nazis' "warrant for genocide".
[edit] Fascist Italy
While the first edition of the Protocols (1921) didn't have much success, in the wake of the growing alliance between Hitler's Germany and Fascist Italy, the Protocols were re-published in Italy in 1937 by Giovanni Preziosi with an introduction by Julius Evola.
[edit] Contemporary usage and popularity
While there is continued popularity of The Protocols in nations from South America to Asia, since the defeat of Nazi Germany and fascist Italy in the Second World War governments or political leaders in most parts of the world have generally avoided claims that The Protocols represent factual evidence of a real Jewish conspiracy. The exception to this is the Middle East, where a large number of Arab and Muslim regimes and leaders have endorsed them as authentic.
Past endorsements of The Protocols from Presidents Gamal Abdel Nasser and Anwar Sadat of Egypt, one of the President Arifs of Iraq, King Faisal of Saudi Arabia, and Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi of Libya, among other political and intellectual leaders of the Arab world, are echoed by 21st century endorsements from the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Sheikh Ekrima Sa'id Sabri and Hamas to the education ministry of Saudi Arabia.[39]
[edit] Middle East
As popular opposition to israel spread across the Middle East in the years following its creation in 1948, many Arab governments funded new printings of the Protocols, and taught them in their schools as historical fact. They have been accepted as such by many Islamist organizations, such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Reportedly, Arabic editions issued in the Middle East were found on sale as far away as London.[40] There are at least nine different Arabic translations of the Protocols and more editions than in any other language including German.[35] The Protocols also figure prominently in the antisemitic propaganda distributed internationally by the Arab countries and have spread to other Muslim countries, such as Pakistan, Malaysia, and Indonesia.[35]
[edit] Syria
This 2005 Syrian edition includes an "historical and contemporary investigative study" that repeats the blood libel among other antisemitic accusations, and argues that the Torah and Talmud encourage Jews "to commit treason and to conspire, dominate, be arrogant and exploit other countries". ITC CSSThe Protocols is a best-seller in Syria[41] and, together with other antisemitic materials published there, is distributed throughout the Arab world.[42] In 1997, the two-volume 8th edition of the Protocols, translated and edited by 'Ajaj Nuwayhid, was published by Mustafa Tlass's publishing house and exhibited and sold at the Damascus International Book Fair (IBF) and at the Cairo IBF. At the 2005 Cairo IBF a stand of the Syrian publisher displayed a new, 2005 edition of the Protocols authorized by the Syrian Ministry of Information.[43][44] In Syria government-controlled television channels occasionally broadcast mini-series concerning the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, along with several other anti-semitic themes.[45]
[edit] Egypt
During the presidency of Gamal Abdel Nasser, Egypt was the main source of internationally distributed antisemitic propaganda. In 1960, the Protocols were featured in an article published by Salah Dasuqi, military governor of Cairo, in al-Majallaaa, the official cultural journal.[35] In 1965, the Egyptian government released an English-language pamphlet titled israel, the Enemy of Africa and distributed it throughout the English-speaking countries of Africa. The pamphlet used the Protocols and The International Jew as its sources and concluded that all the Jews were cheats, thieves, and murderers.[35]
In a foreword to a translation of Shimon Peres' book The New Middle East, the Egyptian state-owned publisher al-Ahram editorialized in 1995:
'When The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were discovered, some 200 years ago, and translated in various languages, including Arabic, the World Zionist Organization attempted to deny the existence of the plot, and claimed forgery. The Zionists even endeavoured to purchase all the existing copies, in order to prevent their circulation. But today, Shimon Peres proves unequivocally that the Protocols are authentic, and that they tell the truth.'
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and their Biblical and Talmudic Origins, 2003 ed. by Ahmad H. al-Saqa, professor of Comparative Religion, Al-Azhar UniversityAn article in the Egyptian state-owned newspaper al-Akhbar on February 3, 2002 stated:
All the evils that currently affect the world are the doings of Zionism. This is not surprising, because the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which were established by their wise men more than a century ago, are proceeding according to a meticulous and precise plan and time schedule, and they are proof that even though they are a minority, their goal is to rule the world and the entire human race."
In October 2002, a private Egyptian television company Dream TV produced a 41-part "historical drama" A Knight Without a Horse (Fars Bela Gewad), largely based on the Protocols,[46] which ran on 17 Arabic-language satellite television channels, including government-owned Egypt Television (ETV), for a month, causing concerns in the West.[47] Egypt's Information Minister Safwat El-Sherif announced that the series "contains no antisemitic material".[48]
On November 17, 2003, an Egyptian weekly al-Usbu‘ reported that the manuscript museum at the Alexandria Library, displayed the first Arabic translation of the Protocols at the section of the holy books of Judaism, next to a Torah scroll. The museum's director Dr. Yousef Ziedan was quoted as saying in an interview:
"...it has become one of the sacred [texts] of the Jews, next to their first constitution, their religious law ... more important to the Zionist Jews of the world than the Torah, because they conduct Zionist life according to it ... It is only natural to place the book in the framework of an exhibit of Torah."[49]
It also quoted him as saying that no more than one million Jews were killed by the Nazis, but Zionists manipulated the "knowledge that has reached the world".[49] See also:- Holocaust denial.
Dr. Yousef Ziedan strongly denies these quotes, accusing al-Usbu‘ of attributing "fabricated, groundless lies" to him and stating that "the Protocols is a racist, silly, fabricated book":
"The story began with an article in an Egyptian newspaper, al-Usbu‘, two weeks ago (on November 17, 2003), which alleged quoting from me utterly senseless statements intertwining facts with fancies. A month before, a journalist from the aforementioned newspaper interviewed me concerning the recent refurbishment of the manuscript and rare book museum. I handed her a written statement, as was the case with other journalists who covered the same news. Although, she concluded her article with my exact words, she started it with fabricated, groundless lies. She falsely reported me saying that I placed an edition of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion at the center of the museum alongside the Jewish Torah and divine books. Moreover, she claimed that I told her that this book is more significant then the Torah... On my part, I would like to maintain to the visitors of ziedan###### that the Protocols is a racist, silly, fabricated book. Perhaps, I should consider more thoroughly the Jewish issue on the academic level and furnish my vision of the interaction of religions. As civilized people, we totally renounce racism and call for tolerance and constructive interaction between people."[50]
After the publication, director of the Library Dr. Ismail Serageldin issued a statement:
"Preliminary investigation determined that the book was briefly displayed in a showcase devoted to rotating samples of curiosities and unusual items in our collection. ... The book is a well-known 19th century fabrication to foment anti-Jewish feelings. The book was promptly withdrawn from public display, but its very inclusion showed bad judgment and insensitivity..."[51]
[edit] Iran
The first Iranian edition of the Protocols was issued during the summer of 1978 before the Iranian Revolution after which the Protocols were widely publicized by the Iranian government. A publication called Imam, published by the Iranian embassy in London, quoted extensively from the Protocols in its issues of 1984 and 1985.[35] In 1985 a new edition of the Protocols was printed and widely distributed by the Islamic Propagation Organization, International Relations Department, in Tehran. The Astaneh-ye Qods Razavi (Shrine of Imam Reza) Foundation in Mashhad, Iran, one of the wealthiest institutions in Iran, financed publication of the Protocols in 1994. Parts of the Protocols were published by the daily Jomhouri-ye Eslami in 1994, under the heading The Smell of Blood, Zionist Schemes. Sobh, a radical Islamic monthly, published excerpts from the Protocols under the heading The text of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion for establishing the Jewish global rule in its December 1998–January 1999 issue, illustrated with a caricature of the Jewish snake swallowing the globe.
Iranian writer and researcher Ali Baqeri, who researched the Protocols, finds their plan for world domination to be merely part of an even more grandiose scheme, saying in Sobh in 1999:
"The ultimate goal of the Jews... after conquering the globe... is to extract from the hands of the Lord many stars and galaxies".
In April 2004, the Iranian television station Al-Alam broadcast Al-Sameri wa Al-Saher, a series that reported as fact several conspiracy theories about the Holocaust, Jewish control of Hollywood, and the Protocols.[52] The Iran Pavilion of the 2005 Frankfurt Book Fair had the Protocols, as well as "The International Jew" (reprints from Henry Ford's The Dearborn Independent) available.[53]
On the other hand Iranian author Abdollah Shahbazi, known for his historical reports of several important events of Iran's history, has denied the authenticity of so-called protocoles officially on his website and has referred to several international investigations as the basis of his claim.[54]
[edit] Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabian schoolbooks contain explicit summaries of the Protocols as factual:
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion: These are secret resolutions, most probably of the aforementioned Basel congress. They were discovered in the nineteenth century. The Jews tried to deny them, but there was ample evidence proving their authenticity and that they were issued by the elders of Zion. The Protocols can be summarized in the following points:
Upsetting the foundations of the world's present society and its systems, in order to enable Zionism to have a monopoly of world government.
Eliminating nationalities and religions, especially the Christian nations.
Striving to increase corruption among the present regimes in Europe, as Zionism believes in their corruption and [eventual] collapse.
Controlling the media of publication, propaganda and the press, using gold for stirring up disturbances, seducing people by means of lust and spreading wantonness.
The cogent proof of the authenticity of these resolutions, as well as of the hellish Jewish schemes included therein, is the [actual] carrying out of many of those schemes, intrigues and conspiracies that are found in them. Anyone who reads them — and they were published in the nineteenth century — grasps today to what extent much of what is found there has been realized.[55]
According to Freedom House 2006 report, Saudi "textbook for boys for Tenth Grade on Hadith and Islamic Culture contains a lesson on the "Zionist Movement." It is a curious blend of wild conspiracy theories about Masonic Lodges, Rotary Clubs, and Lions Clubs with antisemitic invective. It asserts that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is an authentic document and teaches students that it reveals what Jews really believe. It blames many of the world’s wars and discord on the Jews."[56]
[edit] Lebanon and Hezbollah
In March 1970, the Protocols were reported to be the top 'nonfiction' bestseller in Lebanon.[57] The Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2004 by the US Department of State states that "the television series, Ash-Shatat ("The Diaspora"), which centred on the alleged conspiracy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to dominate the world, was aired in October and November 2003 by the Lebanon-based satellite television network Al-Manar, owned by Hezbollah."[58]
[edit] Hamas
The Charter of Hamas explicitly refers to the Protocols, accepting them as factual and makes several references to Freemasons as one of the "secret societies" controlled by "Zionists". The Article 32 of the Hamas Charter states:
The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.[59]
[edit] Palestinian National Authority
The PNA frequently used the Protocols in the media and education under their control and some Palestinian academics presented the forgery as a plot upon which Zionism is based. For example, on January 25, 2001, the official PNA daily Al-Hayat al-Jadida cited the Protocols on its Political National Education page to explain israel's policies:
Disinformation has been one of the bases of morale and psychological manipulation among the israelis ... The Protocols of the Elders of Zion did not ignore the importance of using propaganda to promote the Zionist goals. The second protocol reads: 'Through the newspapers we will have the means to propel and to influence'. In the twelfth protocol: 'Our governments will hold the reins of most of the newspapers, and through this plan we will possess the primary power to turn to public opinion.'
Later that year the same newspaper wrote: "The purpose of the military policy is to impose this situation on the residents and force them to leave their homes, and this is done in the framework of the Protocols of Zion..."[60]
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Sheikh Ekrima Sa'id Sabri appeared on the Saudi satellite channel Al-Majd on February 20, 2005, commenting on the assassination of the former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. "Anyone who studies The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and specifically the Talmud," he said, "will discover that one of the goals of these Protocols is to cause confusion in the world and to undermine security throughout the world."[61]
In 2005, it was reported that the Palestinian Authority was teaching the Protocols in schools. After media exposure, the PA promised to stop.[62] On May 19, 2005, The New York Times reported that Palestinian Authority Minister of Information Nabil Shaath removed from his ministry's web site an Arabic translation of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[63]
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Posted 14 August 2007 - 01:28 AM
lol Malabar ....
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Posted 14 August 2007 - 05:51 AM
Fraud or Genuine?
The fact remains that there is no documentary proof that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are what they say they are. Allegations of forgery and fraud have dogged their public history. However, despite many opinions to the contrary, the documents have never been proved to be fraudulent.
The fact remains, that the Protocols are NOT a proven forgery.
The fact also remains that since their publication, world events have unfolded exactly according to their description. We are gradually being mobilised into a New World Order. The One World Government is being facilitated by the gradual movement of nation states into larger power blocks such as the European Union and NAFTA etc. The United Nations has come into power as a global police force under the excuse of being a protector and benefactor of the world, exactly as outlined in the Protocols. The Jews have symbolically 'returned to Palestine', as the State of israel now exists as the official universal 'homeland' of all Jews, despite the vast majority of Jews having no racial connection with israel whatsoever.
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The fact remains that there is no documentary proof that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are what they say they are. Allegations of forgery and fraud have dogged their public history. However, despite many opinions to the contrary, the documents have never been proved to be fraudulent.
The fact remains, that the Protocols are NOT a proven forgery.
The fact also remains that since their publication, world events have unfolded exactly according to their description. We are gradually being mobilised into a New World Order. The One World Government is being facilitated by the gradual movement of nation states into larger power blocks such as the European Union and NAFTA etc. The United Nations has come into power as a global police force under the excuse of being a protector and benefactor of the world, exactly as outlined in the Protocols. The Jews have symbolically 'returned to Palestine', as the State of israel now exists as the official universal 'homeland' of all Jews, despite the vast majority of Jews having no racial connection with israel whatsoever.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 04:35 PM
LOL - you're quoting a concpiracy-nut website to "prove" the conspiracy-nut idea that the Protocols area real.
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Posted 28 August 2008 - 09:33 AM
The Protocols of Zion or the Zionist Protocols are real. If we compare the methods used by Zionists to control the world with the Zionist protocols, we would find that they are similar. In other word, the Zionist protocols are the Zionist guidelines to control and manipulate the world. I think I should open a new thread to debate with Zionist supporters on the Zionist Protocols.
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Posted 28 August 2008 - 11:10 AM
Here is an example of the brutal Zionist Protocols:
Zionist PROTOCOL No. 11: WE ARE WOLVES
4. The GOYIM are a flock of sheep, and we are their wolves. And you know what happens when the wolves get hold of the flock? ....
Now lets us compare the Zionist Protocol above with the sayings of the Zionist leaders:
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."-israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum."
Therefore, Zionists admit that Zionist Protocols are real.
Zionist PROTOCOL No. 11: WE ARE WOLVES
4. The GOYIM are a flock of sheep, and we are their wolves. And you know what happens when the wolves get hold of the flock? ....
Now lets us compare the Zionist Protocol above with the sayings of the Zionist leaders:
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."-israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum."
Therefore, Zionists admit that Zionist Protocols are real.
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Posted 28 August 2008 - 05:54 PM
Zionist brain-dead parrots always say "a bunch of misinformed and bigoted people post their trash on websites". It is an irony to know that Zionist brain-dead parrots are the bunch of misinformed and bigoted people post their trash on websites !!! The brain-washed Zionist parrots are trained by Zionist masters to say and repeat the same Zionist trash to insult and slander educated people who are brave enough to expose Zionist deceit and deception.
The Zionist brain-dead and brainwashed parrot is shut up in a cage. Decent birds fly freely about.
The Zionist brain-dead and brainwashed parrot is shut up in a cage. Decent birds fly freely about.
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Posted 29 August 2008 - 01:59 AM
The ironic thing is that the sort of people who make websites about the Protocols are also the sort of people who hate non-white people and Muslims.
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Posted 29 August 2008 - 02:30 PM
the protocol of zion is best seller in japan and i don't think they hate muslims or non-white peopleThe ironic thing is that the sort of people who make websites about the Protocols are also the sort of people who hate non-white people and Muslims.
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Posted 29 August 2008 - 03:13 PM
No-one here is C&Ping from Japanese websites.
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Posted 29 August 2008 - 03:15 PM
why should restrict it to website? the point is the japanese are also eager to make the public aware of the existence of such protocol.
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Posted 29 August 2008 - 03:16 PM
Good article on anti-semitism in Japan: (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetfirstthings(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/article.php3?id_article=4114"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetfirstthings(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/article.php3?id_article=4114[/url]
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