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#1 gnuneo

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 02:44 AM

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i note virtually all the 'opposition' to rowan's comments focussed upon any 'right' for him to express an opinion. Presumably therefore, they disagreed with the article, believing there was sufficient Public preview and discussion, and that these Fx. NHS reforms were detailed in the elections, or even mentioned in the farcical, stage-managed "Leaders Debates".

the stream of comments after an article like this is often revealing, goes through phases in discussion, and nearly always stimulates thought from some posts. I'm sure this is part of what Doctor Rowan hoped to achieve, for such discussions can unlock ideas, and ultimately start to build the dynamism for guided change, in a direction at least most of us can grasp, and agree with.

here is an irony: we are faced with a range of crisis, but our Govt is deliberately creating unnecessary others. The obvious solution is to demand business at least pay the amount of tax they should, they are after all profiting from working in this country, and should pay part of the costs of health, education, infrastructure, defence etc - just as people living here do.

we need jobs, and we need the State to invest to create new locally owned companies, to employ people, to train people, and to pay taxes. And to make up the inevitable shortfall in imports coming our way.

a few facts: Public Service bodies often are vastly more efficient with resources than Corporate. Equivalent care to the NHS from privately-owned for-profit medical companies would cost FAR more. The BBC far outperforms Fox/News International in creativity, quality and productivity, on a comparatively shoe-string budget. When schools are run for-profit, they either charge more, or give lower quality. When prisons are private, they have every incentive to make inmates into re-offenders. When Libraries are closed, and police-stations, and firemen fired, and it is suggested libraries can open in McDonalds, and the police in Tescos, it is very clear i think to everyone that something is going wrong.

And that something "going wrong" is an ideology that blindly has faith in profit/money as the only motivator for humanity, - for privatisation, and for corporate statism run by Bankers and their Corporate keiretsu, an ideology that has claimed to improve living conditions for the majority, but in fact only benefits those aware that it is nothing but a scam, and use deregulation to make a private fortune.

another fact: considering the minimm wage is FAR below the level of the Living Wage, itself not exactly bankers bonus level, then the Tory plan to stamp on the rates of benefits, to "make working pay", can only, and must even be intended to, INCREASE the amount of poverty and suffering in the UK.

and again, this is simply never reported as such by the highly-paid commentators and editorials in the "free press" - completely owned-and-controlled by the Corporates, naturally.

it is hardly curious the extremely wealthy use their power and influence to make the tax-burden fall on poorer, weaker people, it is sad however when this is taken to such extremes, even to the point of deliberatly inciting racial hatred to detract attention from the Wealth Gap.

and it is much to be lauded that the Archbishop risked so much institutional, political and even social criticism to make these actually quite simple, obvious and essential points.

it is a shame that the Govt "attacked" back, instead of listening to these mild criticisms that reflect so many millions of normal people's worries.

it is heart-warming, even i am sure for ardent Old Lefties, to know the Heart is still in the CoE, and other UK Christian organisations, that they do still carry the true message of their founder.

i think the Archbishop has done more in one week to reduce the decay of decades for the Church, even whilst that was absolutely not his intention.


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sorry for the mess in the NS, they have a strange blogdog i couldn't get past.


Rowan, you have done your Christian duty, thank you.


I hope the Govt listens!!

#2 gnuneo

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 03:40 AM

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 11:41 PM

it is heart-warming, even i am sure for ardent Old Lefties, to know the Heart is still in the CoE, and other UK Christian organisations, that they do still carry the true message of their founder.



king henry the VIII?

#4 gnuneo

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 03:56 PM

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