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[minuschi]

I'm not allowed to post urls yet. The article is called (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_muslimmatters(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/2011/11/23/free-will-and-determinism-from-a-scientific-and-religious-perspective/"]Free[/url] Will and Determinism from a Scientif and Religious Perspective on MuslimMatters.

[StopS]

I'm not allowed to post urls yet. The article is called (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_muslimmatters(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/2011/11/23/free-will-and-determinism-from-a-scientific-and-religious-perspective/"]Free[/url] Will and Determinism from a Scientif and Religious Perspective on MuslimMatters.

This article you mention

The debate over free will, already two millennia old[1], is still ongoing. Academic conferences, books and journal articles continue to address these issues, with different 'experts' arguing for often radically different theories.[2] Modern science and data have introduced new elements and angles, but they have not, by any means, disproved the existence of free will.

is probably one of the worst I have read in my entire life. It so full of strawmen, all types of other fallacies and ridiculous statements that it is hard to believe a person can really make something like this public. He places a lot of trust in a guy called Angus Menuge (he once calls him Dr. Angus Kenuge), a Christian apologist, who has some crazy ideas about free will and evolution. Oh boy.

I strongly advise you to first read what you are quoting. This has NOTHING to do with anything remotely scientific and is sheer mumbo-jumbo.

If you see sentences containing "many scientists nowadays" or "an academic methodological study" be careful. Anyone who is serious will qualify statenments like these with proof.

Finally, we see exactly what his motive is: "Monotheism, on the other hand, justifies the scientific endeavor, because it holds that God is the creator both of human minds and of the phenomena and laws of science" is not a statement any real scientist would make as science and scientists do NOT concern themselves with the super-natural and would never make a statement so wrong.

Sorry.

[atheism101]

This article you mention

The debate over free will, already two millennia old[1], is still ongoing. Academic conferences, books and journal articles continue to address these issues, with different 'experts' arguing for often radically different theories.[2] Modern science and data have introduced new elements and angles, but they have not, by any means, disproved the existence of free will.

is probably one of the worst I have read in my entire life. It so full of strawmen, all types of other fallacies and ridiculous statements that it is hard to believe a person can really make something like this public. He places a lot of trust in a guy called Angus Menuge (he once calls him Dr. Angus Kenuge), a Christian apologist, who has some crazy ideas about free will and evolution. Oh boy.

I strongly advise you to first read what you are quoting. This has NOTHING to do with anything remotely scientific and is sheer mumbo-jumbo.

If you see sentences containing "many scientists nowadays" or "an academic methodological study" be careful. Anyone who is serious will qualify statenments like these with proof.

Finally, we see exactly what his motive is: "Monotheism, on the other hand, justifies the scientific endeavor, because it holds that God is the creator both of human minds and of the phenomena and laws of science" is not a statement any real scientist would make as science and scientists do NOT concern themselves with the super-natural and would never make a statement so wrong.

Sorry.

Can you post the real link? I can't seem to decode what the link was supposed to be.