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[andalusi]

God - Fairy Tale or Truth? - Dr. Lars Gule VS Hamza Tzortzis - FULL DEBATE

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Can you name one point where the Muslim "crushed" the atheist?

Is it when the Muslim said the Universe is 1400 years old?

Hamza is not very bright. He uses long words, but does not understand what they mean. He is not capable of abstract thinking and only manages to focus on single words. His arguments are weak and hopelessly outdated and the fact that he copies the Christian apologist WL Craig - without really understanding what it is he is copying - does not make it any better.

But maybe I have missed something and you can show me what you mean with the expression "crush".

[andalusi]

Can you name one point where the Muslim "crushed" the atheist?

Is it when the Muslim said the Universe is 1400 years old?

Hamza is not very bright. He uses long words, but does not understand what they mean. He is not capable of abstract thinking and only manages to focus on single words. His arguments are weak and hopelessly outdated and the fact that he copies the Christian apologist WL Craig - without really understanding what it is he is copying - does not make it any better.

But maybe I have missed something and you can show me what you mean with the expression "crush".

Can you name one point where the Muslim "crushed" the atheist?

every argument that Hamza said the atheists could not disprove it

Is it when the Muslim said the Universe is 1400 years old?

he also admit in the video that he made mistake, he also knows that universe is not 1400 years old, did you watch whole debate, beacuse he said as i remember that is a mistake

But maybe I have missed something and you can show me what you mean with the expression "crush".

watch it again, it seams that you dont understand what he said...and yes, hamza i very smart guy, no doubt about it...

watch the whole debate, not parts of it...

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every argument that Hamza said the atheists could not disprove it

I asked for 1 (one). I know you can't, but I was hoping maybe someone else could.

he also admit in the video that he made mistake, he also knows that universe is not 1400 years old, did you watch whole debate, beacuse he said as i remember that is a mistake

Why don't you use your brain and think. And think again. And now think why I asked that question, followed by a winking smile. What do you think that wink could mean? Could it mean that I am not serious about this question because I already know it was just a mistake? Could it be that I watched the entire debate and heard how he apologised for his mistake?

And if you would not copy everything you hear and if you would use your abilities to find something by yourself without the help of Harun Yahya, you would have found my video where I show how iERA conducts their research using exactly this video. It's totally amazing what can happen if you think for yourself.

watch it again, it seams that you dont understand what he said...and yes, hamza i very smart guy, no doubt about it...
watch the whole debate, not parts of it...

"hamza i very smart guy" Maybe for you. For me he is incredibly stupid and primitive. I have tried to talk to him politely, but he always blocks me or ignores me. So I made some videos about his ridiculous arguments. Ah but you will not understand this.

[andalusi]

Why Atheism is less logical then any religion
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Edited by andalusi, 10 February 2012 - 10:40 AM.

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Why Atheism is less logical then any religion
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Well that was a waste of 4.40 mins.

Again i fail to understand why muslims insist there must be a creator, Allah, but there quite happy to believe that Allah dosent need to be created.

The universe is so complex it must have been created etc, yet the 1 who created it and therefore must be even more complex can just be.

The logic used to believe this is just so warped.

[andalusi]

Well that was a waste of 4.40 mins.

Again i fail to understand why muslims insist there must be a creator, Allah, but there quite happy to believe that Allah dosent need to be created.

The universe is so complex it must have been created etc, yet the 1 who created it and therefore must be even more complex can just be.

The logic used to believe this is just so warped.

Again i fail to understand why muslims insist there must be a creator,

but we all know that universe had a begining, Big bang, also it was crated at the Big bang... so when we know that it has begining, somthing must have caused it, or something most have created it

If you say , universe crated itself, then it is illogical, how can somthing both exists and not exists, that is paradoxal statment,

it is same if i would ask you, can your mother gave birth to herself? illogic...

when soemthing started to exists, then there must be a cause, and that cause is God what we muslims believe. that is why there must be a crateor, otherwise, it is not logic that universe crates itself, when something can not both exist and not exists at the sametime.

but there quite happy to believe that Allah dosent need to be created

if Allah was created, he would not be a creator, He would be a creation, and then you would also ask, who created Allah's creator, and after that, you would ask, who created Creator of Allah's creator, going on forever and ever asking same stuff. But God said in quran, is absolute, had no begining nor end, that is it.

Edited by andalusi, 10 February 2012 - 12:08 PM.

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"if Allah was created, he would not be a creator, He would be a creation, and then you would also ask, who created Allah's creator, and after that, you would ask, who created Creator of Allah's creator, going on forever and ever asking same stuff. But God said in quran, is absolute, had no begining nor end, that is it. "

Can you prove it?

Why cant you believe the universe is everlasting?, still more plausable that a god.

[andalusi]

"if Allah was created, he would not be a creator, He would be a creation, and then you would also ask, who created Allah's creator, and after that, you would ask, who created Creator of Allah's creator, going on forever and ever asking same stuff. But God said in quran, is absolute, had no begining nor end, that is it. "

Can you prove it?

Why cant you believe the universe is everlasting?, still more plausable that a god.

Can you prove it?

i can prove it for people who like to think, but when someone does not want to think, and believe in chance then i can not prove it...

Why cant you believe the universe is everlasting?, still more plausable that a god.

two reasons why, beacuse 1.Quran says that universe is not everlasting, 2. Science also say that universe is not everlasting

Watch this

Quran Vs Dawkins and Krauss , very intresting
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in this video you can see how Quran is superior to modern science, what quran talked about 1400 years ago scientists say today...

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I do like to think, thats why i dont dont believe in god, denie it all u want and point to supposed miracles but your view point is based on blind faith.

Have you seen god? your delusional

Have you heard god? your insane

All proveable conditions.

Prove faith?, no u cant.

As for your new link, if the koran is full of usefull information why dont non muslims reference it, why is the information only revealed after science discovers it and never before, why are the words in the koran constantly changing the meaning in an effort to fit in.

Can i ask what country you recived you education in?

[andalusi]

I do like to think, thats why i dont dont believe in god, denie it all u want and point to supposed miracles but your view point is based on blind faith.

Have you seen god? your delusional

Have you heard god? your insane

All proveable conditions.

Prove faith?, no u cant.

As for your new link, if the koran is full of usefull information why dont non muslims reference it, why is the information only revealed after science discovers it and never before, why are the words in the koran constantly changing the meaning in an effort to fit in.

Can i ask what country you recived you education in?

if you like to think then your thinking is illogical..

my fiath is not blind, beacuse i have seen evidence wich supports my faith...

Have you seen god? your delusional, Have you heard god? your insane

just beacuse we can not see nor hear it does not mean that God does not exist...how many thing are in universe wich we dont hear and see, but they exists...


WHY GOD DOES NOT SHOW HIMSELF TO HUMANKIND?

What whoud happen if God showed himself to humankind?


1. Purpose of life would be destroyed.

God created us here to test us, how we shall behave, so this life is a test for us, and after our death we shall be judged and then rewared or punished,
depends on how we were here.So purpose of life is to be tested here, that is why we are here on earth.

How we know this

God says in quran:

67:1-2 Blessed be He(God) who has the Kingdom in His Hand! He has power over all things.
He who created death and life to test which of you is best in action. He is the Almighty, the Ever-Forgiving.

So if God showed himself to humankind the purpose of life should be destroyed, beacuse if all humankind see God and hear his voice, if he said, i will
throw you in hell if you dont worshipp me, and if you dont follow my book quran, i will throw you all in hell, how would it be then?

If this life is a test, is it easier to test a person who he/she really is in reality, is to hide a camera inside the room and see what is going on,
so it is the same, if God does not show himself and the people are not aware of God , when a person is alone he can do every sin he wants, but when he know that there is a hidden camera
somewhere in the room, he will not do sins and embarass himself. So if God does not show himself to us it is easier to test us, how we shall behave, and show
how we really are in reality.

2. Free WILL would be destroyed.

If God threatens humankind if we do some stuff, and he says, if you do that you will go to hell, would anyone dare to defy God, anyone???
So our free will would be destroyed beacuse we would not dare do what we want. and then it would be harder to test us beacuse we did not show our real
face how we are in reality.


3. Imppossible to live normally

If God would show himself to us, and threatens humankind if they do some things thay will go to hell, all humankind would be terrified, and would live in
fear al they life. Test would not be complited.

SO THE REASON WHY GOD IS NOT SHOWING HIMSELF TO HUMANKIND IS BEACUSE NOT TO DESTROY TEST, NOT TO DESTROY FREE WILL, AND SO PEOPLE WOULD LIVE NORMALLY
HERE ON EARTH.


What happened to Moses when he asked God to show himself to him

God explains in quran what happened.


7:143 When Moses came for the appointment, and his Lord spoke to him, he said, ‘My Lord, show Yourself to me: let me see You!’ He said, ‘You will never see Me, but look at that mountain: if it remains standing firm, you will see Me,’ and when his Lord revealed Himself to the mountain,He made it crumble to dust: Moses fell down unconscious. When he recovered, he said, ‘Glory be to You! To You I turn in repentance! I am the first to believe!’


When shall we see God for the first time ?

On the day of judgement people shall see God for the first time.


Seeing God in Afterlife
In Islamic doctrine, God cannot be seen in this life, but the believers will see God in the next life; even then, God will not be grasped in totality. This is stated clearly in the Quran and the Sunnah. The Prophet said,

“The Day Of Resurrection is the first day any eye will look at God, the Mighty and Exalted.”[1]

Describing the events of Resurrection Day, God states in the Quran:

“On that day some faces will be bright, looking at their Lord.” (Quran 75:22-23)

The Prophet was asked if we will see God on the Day of resurrection. He replied, “Are you harmed by looking at the moon when it is full?”[2] ‘No,’ they replied. Then he said, “Surely, you will see Him likewise.” In another hadith the Prophet said, “Surely, each of you will see God on the day when you shall meet Him, and there will be no veil or translator between Him and you.”[3] Seeing God will be a favor that is additional to Paradise on the people who will dwell therein. As a matter of fact, the joy of seeing God for a believer will be greater than the all the joys of Paradise combined together. The unbelievers, on the other hand, will be deprived of seeing God, and this will be greater punishment for them than all the pain and suffering of Hell combined together.

Prove faith?, no u cant.

easy, but my logical answers does not fit you illogical thinking, that is why you can not understand me


for me, creation has a createor, logical
for you, creation is it own creation, that universe created itself, to exist and not exists at the same time, paradox, illogical

when i say to you 2+2=4 , then your illogical thinking comes on the surface, and sayS, NOOOOOOOO, IT IS 2+2=5

so how can i explain to you when your illogical thinking can not comprehend what i am talkning about...

As for your new link, if the koran is full of usefull information why dont non muslims reference it, why is the information only revealed after science discovers it and never before, why are the words in the koran constantly changing the meaning in an effort to fit in.

why dont non muslims reference it,

BEACUSE

how can you reference something wich you dont read????

Can i ask what country you recived you education in?

University in Sweden...

what did you expect, maybe university in Afghanistan

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"easy, but my logical answers does not fit you illogical thinking, that is why you can not understand me


for me, creation has a createor, logical
for you, creation is it own creation, that universe created itself, to exist and not exists at the same time, paradox, illogical

when i say to you 2+2=4 , then your illogical thinking comes on the surface, and sayS, NOOOOOOOO, IT IS 2+2=5

so how can i explain to you when your illogical thinking can not comprehend what i am talkning about..."

Just for the record ive not claimed the universe created its self.

I can comprehend what your saying just fine, its just a lot of rubbish.

Your the 1 that thinks 2+2=5, that takes faith not reason.


"University in Sweden...

what did you expect, maybe university in Afghanistan "

Yes i was starting to suspect something along those lines , though it is clear you didnt study science. Clearly you have blocked out anything that didnt fit in with your faith when you did science at school.

I dont suppose it was a religous university?

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<p>&quot;SO THE REASON WHY GOD IS NOT SHOWING HIMSELF TO HUMANKIND IS BEACUSE NOT TO DESTROY TEST, NOT TO DESTROY FREE WILL, AND SO PEOPLE WOULD LIVE NORMALLY<br />
HERE ON EARTH.&quot;</p>
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<p>People all ready fear hell.</p>
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<p>Religous people&nbsp;dont have free will, everythings god willing, praying, Allah knows best etc.</p>
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<p>People would live more normal on earth if there was no religion at all.</p>
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<p>All god is doing is condeming ppl to hell because he expects enlightened ppl to believe some gibberish from some desert nomads, written 1400 yrs ago when &#39;god did it&#39; was the answer to most questions and ppl just didnt know any better.</p>
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<p>More ppl on the world speak english than any other language, god should have know this and provided a holy book in english.</p>
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<p>An epic fail im sure you will agree, would have cleared up so much if only he had done that, no more mistranslations, no more taken out of context etc,&nbsp;but as he hasnt its just more evidence for his non exsistance.</p>
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<p>Instead we have vague statements with reinterpertations of words to fit current theorys and knowledge.<br />
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