By the way sensationalistic does not exist as word in th English language.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:43 PM
1. Reply to your other post, we believe in the stoning of adultery - both for the women and the men. You speak as if we are going to shy away from it? This has been the best ever method to reduce the crime of adultery in history. The mere fact that you hate this punishment itself is an enough proof that you would not dare commit this sin if this punishment was in place. And besides, this law exists both in the old testament and new testament
2. If you think your inspired, show us your proof.. what miracle have you got? The answer would always be - none. It could also be that you are possessed? God challenges you in the Qur`aan to produce a chapter like it if you are in doubt of its author and also if you can find any contradictions...why dont you defeat that challenge? - you would destroy the entire Muslim population this way. But you would definitely fail even if you gathered the whole of mankind.
3. Yes he was Arab, but he rejected nationalism - as i said in the previous post which you seemed to have not read? And if you studied history, you would know that at his time there were two main empires - Roman and Persians [who were fire worshippers]. So who told you that the Prophet Muhammad was worried that christianity would take over the world, what about the Persians?
4. Theres a difference between Christianity and a Christian. If a christian is in charge, that does not mean christianity is in charge. David cameron is a christian, but is england ruled by christianity? No. Because Christianity is a secular religion, it cannot by its nature rule a country. Parts of it can by applied, but ultimately it would still be manmade law. When it tried to rule, it caused oppression and people had to rise against it. But the foolishness of the people who rose up is that they replaced a man made system with another man made system.
And hence, and the answer to the initial question of the thread, there would always be oppression and chaos on earth as long as man is made to rule by his own weak and limited understandings, wisdom, judgements and so on.
True peace and harmony would always come about when we all submit to Gods law [i.e. the shariah], just like the rest of the universe submit to Gods law [laws of nature] and work in harmony.
This is my last post on this thread so dont expect any replies. No point debating if people are going to make stuff up and try and attack Islaam - and they talk about being civilised?
Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:47 PM
An extremely perverse version of an English dictionary - and a very so called modern interpretation of the word. Sic. In your case.
Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:07 PM
A very sensationalistic post, excactly what I would expect from a sentimental person like you. It's obvious your emotions are clouding your reason. That's why you so conveniently mentioned stoning females when in fact both males and females can be stoned. But it's excactly what you would expect from somebody such as yourself.
Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:24 PM
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:10 PM
These Shariah supporters seem to perpetually unreal world based on small communities which exist only in their fantasies.
AdulteryFirstly the quran is not the only scripture that speaks against adultery as most scriptures see the importance of the family unit.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:02 PM
I have had great difficulty in coming to terms with and understanding the punishment of stoning to death. I understand that it may be used for other 'crimes' as well as adultery.
In Islam it's one of the worst crimes, that eventually will lead to the destruction of the main barracks of the society, the FAMILY. that will lead to un-proper raising of the children in a broke down family, which will lead to social, economical and health problems, and will lead also to more adultery and so more bad consequences. the spread of the STDs/Aids, any fair statistics tells, just like the hadeeth of the prophet (pbuh), adultery is related to fatal diseases. which will consume another financial resources to figure it out.
Quite honestly I cannot see that adultery is actually one of the worst or 'most heinous' of crimes in the world.
that's the dominant case in the Islamic world almost 99% are monogamy, for a fair investigator, he have to put every thing in his qualitative and quantitative position
For a start I believe we are not referring to monogamy.
the first choice for any Moslem is one wife, Allah tells in the Quran "we have to be ultimately fair between wives", and he, Allah, follow that with "it will be ultimate difficult to be fair between wives"
A husband may have perhaps 3 or 4 wives but this is not considered to be adulterous. Thus the situation seems unfair from the woman's point of view : a man has the choice of more than one partner while a woman does not.
it's there all the time. it is the first choice of the prophet when the adulterer came to him and said "i commit zena" the prophet didn't replay him, while the man kept repeating, the prophet tried to give him another chance "it may be not zena, you may did this or that"....the man kept saying: no i commit a complete zena i did this and that", he kept asking to be completely purified by Appling the punishment.
And where is forgiveness in this equation? I understood that if a Muslim sins and then repents sincerely, he or she will be forgiven. Why is this not true in the case of adultery?
just exactly as you accept others to force you to wear the safety belt, although it's some thing between you and your care only.
I tend to think, anyway, that adultery is an issue which exists between the people involved and God alone. Why should others get involved with what is essentially a personal family matter?
that's applied for every crime between two loving persons, i don't know what will be the fair person's reaction when he sees any person breaking the other's hand and head and hearing that, "it's not your business" the broken tells....although in this case really, that will not affect you unless the other case.
It has been pointed out that adultery does untold harm to society. I think that this is circumspect to say the least and even if proof were produced then I still don't believe that 'society' has the right to interfere with human feelings. As I've said, marriage should be between those involved. Also that the words love and trust are personal things, are they not?
it's not barbaric but it's deterring, efficient, beneficent for the whole society. i can see owning a 10,000s of nuclear weapons is the real barbaric action on this earth, what do you think??
Finally, no-one will ever convince me that stoning to death is not a barbaric punishment.
for our fellow human, it won't matter if he died by toxic gas (2-3 minutes) or toxic shot (5-10 minutes) or stoning. BTW, as i know, once the person put to death, he will enter a psychological state where he will feel nothing about the punishments.
Why not condone torture, disembowelment or any other disgusting infliction upon what is, after all, a fellow human being?
I think Muslims need to admit that stoning is not good in terms of PR, at the very least.
Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:08 AM