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[sereihan]

Did the disciples worship Jesus Christ?

Matthew 14:33"those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God." Matthew 28:9 " They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him", Literal biblical translations of these verses have different reading of the word "worship" they give a different meaning that indicate reverence& respect not actual worship that can be given to a deity, in Young's Literal Translation( they bowed before him) in Douay-Rheims Bible& New American Bible (they adored him)in Darby Translation (they did homage to him), homage/Oxford Dictionary • noun honor or respect shown publicly.

Luke 24:52(NIV)"Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy", New bible versions like RSV and NEB in Luke 24:52 omit "they worshipped him" as an interpolation, this is a serious charge made against the true disciples of Jesus(PBUH) if the disciples were truly worship Jesus(PBUH) it should manifest regularly throughout the scripture not only on few doubtful occasions that can be easily refuted.

Authored by Sereihan Mubarak Alshammari

[gmcbroom]

Yes they did.

[Benedict]

Yes they did as gmcbroom said. Here is a expounding on that verse alone.
 

Ver. 33.It may be doubted, whether themystery of the blessed Trinity had been at this time explicitly revealed to theJews. Most probably not. By "thou art the Son of God," they only mean to beartestimony of his sanctity, and shewed themselves willing to acknowledge him for their Messias, as formerly prophets and holy men were styled, sons of God. Or we may suppose that the Almighty enlightened their understanding by an interior ray of his light, to know a truth which was obscure to others, and therefore they come and adore him. (Jansenius)

[sereihan]

Yes they did as gmcbroom said. Here is a expounding on that verse alone.
 

Ver. 33.It may be doubted, whether themystery of the blessed Trinity had been at this time explicitly revealed to theJews. Most probably not. By "thou art the Son of God," they only mean to beartestimony of his sanctity, and shewed themselves willing to acknowledge him for their Messias, as formerly prophets and holy men were styled, sons of God. Or we may suppose that the Almighty enlightened their understanding by an interior ray of his light, to know a truth which was obscure to others, and therefore they come and adore him. (Jansenius)

where did they were worship him and how? show us from the bible?

[Benedict]

where did they were worship him and how? show us from the bible?

Ok you wanted it from the Holy Bible so here it is. Also you will notice the word for worship that is given is Adore. The deffintion of adore is as follows.

 

a·dore
(-dôr, -dr)
v. a·dored, a·dor·ing, a·dores

v.tr.
1. To worship as God or a god.

2. To regard with deep, often rapturous love. See
Synonyms at revere¹.

3. To like very much: adores
mink coats.

v.intr.To worship.

 

 

The Apocalypse Of Saint John 4:9-11 [4] And round about the throne were four and twenty seats; and upon the seats, four and twenty ancients sitting, clothed in white garments, and on their heads were crowns of gold. [5] And from the throne
proceeded lightnings, and voices, and thunders; and there were seven lamps burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God. [6] And in the sight of the throne was, as it were, a sea of glass like to crystal; and in the midst of
the throne, and round about the throne, were four living creatures, full of eyes before and behind. [7] And the first living creature was like a lion: and the second living creature like a calf: and the third living creature, having the face, as it were, of a man: and the fourth living creature was like an eagle flying. [8] And the four living creatures had each of them six wings; and round about and within they are full of eyes. And they rested not day and night, saying: Holy, holy, holy, Lord God
Almighty, who was, and who is, and who is to come. [9] And when those living creatures gave glory, and honour, and benediction to him that sitteth on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever; [10] The four and twenty ancients fell down before him that sitteth on the throne, and adored him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: [11] Thou art worthy, O Lord our God, to receive glory, and honour, and power: because thou hast created all things; and for thy will they were, and have been created.

 

Gospel According to Saint Matthew 2:2,11 [2] Saying, Where is he that is born king of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the east, and are come to adore him. [11] And entering into the house, they found the child with Mary his mother, and falling down they adored him; and opening their treasures, they offered him gifts; gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

 

Gospel According to Saint Matthew 8:2  [2] And behold a leper came and adored him, saying: Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

 

Gospel According to Saint Matthew 14:33  [33] And they that were in the boat came and adored him, saying: Indeed thou art the Son of God.

 

Gospel According to Saint Matthew 28:9 [9] And behold Jesus met them, saying: All hail. But they came up and took hold of his feet, and adored him.

 

Gospel According to Saint Luke 24:53 [53] And they were always in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

 

Gospel According to Saint John 9:38  [38] And he said: I believe, Lord. And falling down, he adored him.

 

Gospel According to Saint John 20:28[28] Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God. (the Greek is- Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou.)

 

The verses above were all taken from the Douay_Rheims Catholic Bible. An approved Church translation of the Latin Vulgate.

[sereihan]

i will choose adore as number 3# like very much or number 2# to love

Edited by sereihan, 17 February 2013 - 04:31 PM.

[Benedict]

i will choose adore as number 3# like very much or number 2# to love

 

If you read the context of the verses that is obviously not the chosen definition. You will also notice that Jesus did not rebuke those who "Adored" him nor offer a correction of any sort.

 

You asked me to show you. I showed you! You clearly are dodging the post by trying to make the word come out of a theological context. So come up with a better refutation other than that the Holy Bible is corrupted. As that is a straw mans way out. So now show me that they did not using  the Bible. You were given proofs now make your argument.

[sereihan]

If you read the context of the verses that is obviously not the chosen definition. You will also notice that Jesus did not rebuke those who "Adored" him nor offer a correction of any sort.

 

You asked me to show you. I showed you! You clearly are dodging the post by trying to make the word come out of a theological context. So come up with a better refutation other than that the Holy Bible is corrupted. As that is a straw mans way out. So now show me that they did not using  the Bible. You were given proofs now make your argument.

you see i think religion must not be taken lightly like this!

 

if we are to talk about worshiping deity then this is not something that will be mentioned in this telegraphic way "and they adored him or worshiped him" the passage should include some more details why did they worship him at that moment? how did they worship him? is it the same as Jewish prayers ? in what form ? did they guess the way? who instruct them to do that? did they all plan to worship him ahead! any worship has a form how did they learn the right form of worshiping Jesus and how did they do it in a uniform way without previous teaching from Jesus?

Edited by sereihan, 17 February 2013 - 09:42 PM.

[sereihan]

from Islamic teachings this type of adoration was allowed in previous nations but prevented in islam!

[Benedict]

you see i think religion must not be taken lightly like this!

 

if we are to talk about worshiping deity then this is not something that will be mentioned in this telegraphic way "and they adored him or worshiped him" the passage should include some more details why did they worship him at that moment? how did they worship him? is it the same as Jewish prayers ? in what form ? did they guess the way? who instruct them to do that? did they all plan to worship him ahead! any worship has a form how did they learn the right form of worshiping Jesus and how did they do it in a uniform way without previous teaching from Jesus?

It does not give a detailed accounting if you look at each of the passages I listed. The one thing they all have in common is the "fell down". This would mean in reading the context they prostrated in some form or knelt in some form. I gave you the basic verses look them up using a good solid Catholic translation. Read the context around them. I will think you will agree with they prostrated them self in some form. In none of the accountings does it appear that it was planed ahead. Piety does not have to be taught. Piety is quite frank instinctive. Peity is done out of humility. Of humbling ones self. Do you need a intruction book on how to humble ones self? The Catholic Church comes from more than the Holy Bible it also stems from Sacred Tradition. The Catholic Church was founded by Christ on the rock of St. Peter. So there is more than what the Bible tells in its pages.

 

You seemed to of side steped what I wrote though. You asked for the scripture lets adress it.

Edited by workingman, 18 February 2013 - 12:50 AM.

[gmcbroom]

Why would Islam prevent it?

[sereihan]

If you read surah yusef in the quran you find in the end of the story his parents and all his brothers prostrated in front of him as reverance not as worship we know this because his father was a prophet also and a prophet will never fall in polythiesm( in islam we rejject the biblical story that the prophet Aron pbuh was the one craeted the golden calf in the quran anither man called assamiri is the one, Aron pbuh opposed him but could not prevent him in the absence of Moses pbuh) so his prostration is for reverance only!

why islam prevented this it is a divine will and the best explanation is to prevent any way to wrong interpretation like in the case of the christian intrpretation of the disciples worshiping jesus! while it was for reverence only!