As for evolution, there is proof of evolution and there is also proof disproving evolution. Hence why it is a scientific theory. So please leave off that because there are scientists that have proven Darwin was incorrect in many areas.
Now, I know a LOT about biology. Why? Because I have very personal experience with biology and genetics. And yet you continue. Biology is not simply evolution. What about genetics? I know people of varying faiths who disagree with genetics. So do they not pass biology? I never took part in dissection in biology, I still passed.
How do I break this to you gently? You know absolutely NOTHING about evolution. You know NOTHING about biology.
You don't even understand what a scientific theory is, even though it was defined so nicely earlier.
You can't "disagree" with genetics the same way as you can't "disagree" with gravity or the coefficient of lift.
Muslim medical students I've met do understand better than you or me about vaccinations. And evolution of disease has been proven so yes they understand and learn about that. If you have definite proof that none of them do, please share. Because I can ask 6 of them to come on here and actually disprove you. And I was talking with a friend of mine who graduated from MCV and is an Oncology Specialist who admitted that the chief researcher for pediatric oncology at UVA Medical Center is a devout Muslim. And he believes in evolution, the parts that have been proven by science. Science is not pure fact. Even Einstein's Theory of Relativity can't be completely proven. And Einstein was a certified genius.
If you want to make a point you will have to do that. Ask these 6 candidates to come here and testify that vaccinations are possible without an understanding of evolution. They would not disprove me, but the scientific society of all evolutionary biologists and probably receive a Nobel Prize for showing an alternative understanding of evolution and how species develop.
You see, you are actually proving my point - probably without realising it. Your oncologist accepts evolution as a fact. (AGAIN: you can NOT believe in evolution)
Science is a tool. A scientific theory is based on facts. Plus defined assumptions based on prior knowledge.
If I tell you I have a car in my garage, will you believe me? Well, you don't know me, so you have no reason to either trust or distrust me, so you will remain neutral about this. However, if I now claim I have a 747 inside my car you will not believe this, even though I have not divulged the size of the garage nor the type of car and have not specified that by the number 747 I actually mean a Boeing 747 type aircraft. Even though you don't know me, my car or my garage, you will reject my claim. Why? Because you are basing this decision on known facts and knowledge. So with your knowledge and new measurements regarding the speed of light you can validate Einstein's special theory. The general one is already disproven by the erratic behaviour of very small, subatomic particles.
Muslims 'consolidate' their beliefs the same as every other religious person. How do Catholic hospitals do it? They are even stricter on evolution and denial of things, but yet they are more than capable of putting that aside to have some of the best medical facilities in the USA. Yes, you are asking for Muslims...but it is ALL people of faith that have to go through that.
This statement is based on false generalisations. There are >30000 Christian groupings. Only a minor percentage (mostly in the USA) deny the fact of evolution. Medical facilities include the treatment of a broken bone or the transplant of a kidney. Possible without an acceptance of evolutionary principles. Who was the head of the human genome project (HGP)? A devout Christian. He believes that Jesus physically existed - but accepts evolution.
So I am sorry to say: your straw-man sucks.
Muslims came up with the idea of flight before even Leonardo Da Vinci. Muslims came up with surgical techniques before the western world ever did. Muslims discovered the heliocentric nature of the solar system before Gallileo did (and he was almost executed for believing that).
I agree with you. Muslims took the knowledge of the time and advanced it. 1000 years ago. Greeks, Indians, Egyptians, Jews, Assyrians, etc did the groundwork. Muslims expanded it. That's what I said in my opening post.
Anytime I give you any answers, you ignore them or berate people. You attacked someone else (andalusi) without cause and yet you tried to paint yourself as a victim. I am trying to calmly debate you but you don't seem to want to listen to anything I say.
Sorry, you don't provide answers. At least not to the questions I am asking.
Oh, I have a lot of cause for asking andalusi not to get involved. BTW: I did not attack him.
We, you and I, can calmly debate, but not on the level andalusi provides. That is totally, completely, utterly childish and not constructive at all.
As for anything else, my personal beliefs don't matter because I do believe in science that is proven. I reject those parts of Darwin's theory that can't be replicated and therefore have been found to be incorrect. But I'm not a scientist, I'm a writer mainly as well as a soccer referee. So I am not the one to worry about. So why should my personal beliefs give you a problem?
Au contraire! What I am primarily interested in is exactly that: YOUR opinion. THAT is why I am here, to get personal opinions how Muslims in the 21st century consolidate their beliefs.
Maybe I should open a thread on evolution to weed out misconceptions. The problem is that I am not an evolutionary biologist and not specialised in the area.
There is very little that Darwin's theory has in common with today's knowledge on evolution. BUT: his initial understanding and concept has been proven to be correct.
I have no idea what you think is incorrect and where you get this from, but your opinion is symptomatic. Have you ever heard of Jerry Coyne and his book "Why Evolution Is True", where he addresses many of the common creationist arguments head-on? I think there are actually some videos about this on YouTube. I don't want this to become an evolution thread, so let's leave it at that.