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[sereihan]

Refuting the allegation that Allah is pagan moon god:

The Muslims though they don’t call themselves Christians are the actual followers of the Christ Jesus pbuh and those lie in religion and about God we should agree they are not true followers of the Christ pbuh and are not candidate to salvation because the Kingdome of God is not prepared for liars, If Allah is a pagan moon god then how can we explain the followings?:

Why in the Arabic bible God translate into Allah? Now Christian Arabic bible will be full of pagan moon gods! because in the Arabic KJV for example this moon god is mentioned in the NT more than 1300 times!! Like in mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.(in Arabic except Allah alone) you want to say only moon god is good!!?

• فقال له يسوع لماذا تدعوني صالحا. ليس احد صالحا الا واحد وهو الله

Why Arab Christians (who are ancient Christians) like the Egyptians and Lebanese call God "Allah"? And they also call Jesus Allah! Is Jesus pagan moon god also?

Why in the Christian Aramaic Dictionary web site of the state of Assyria http://www.atour.com/dictionary/ God translated into Alah or Allaha with bible concordance, do they also have moon god?, and did Jesus in his original Aramaic language believe also in moon god?


Why only these deceiving missionaries who speak of moon god?! While no respected Christian encyclopedia mention it!:

Allāh, The Concise Oxford Dictionary of World Religions | 1997 "Allāh. Arab. for God: if from earlier Semitic languages (e.g. Aram., alāhā), perhaps the God (Arab. al = ‘the’)."

Allah, The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed. | 2011 "Allah (ăl´ə, ä´lə), [Arab.,=the God]. Derived from an old Semitic root refering to the Divine and used in the Canaanite El, the Mesopotamian ilu, and the biblical Elohim, the word Allah is used by all Arabic-speaking Muslims, Christians, Jews, and others"

Finally: is the description of Allah in the Quran fits with pagan moon god?

Quran 112:1-4 " Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him."

Quran 59:22-24 " Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god; Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god; the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to Allah! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him. He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory; and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise."

Praise be due to Allah,

By Sereihan Alshammari

[sereihan]

Allah, Encyclopedia Britannica "Allah, Arabic Allāh (“God”), the one and only God in Islam. Etymologically, the name Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilāh, “the God.” The name’s origin can be traced back to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for “god” was il or el, the latter being used in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). Allāh is the standard Arabic word for God and is used by Arab Christians as well as by Muslims."

[Benedict]

Serihan is correct in his statement. Those who use this argument are not using a logical one and is full of fallacies. Allah = God.

[AHMAD_73]

for sake of leguistic argument, there are three different arabic words " Rab رب " , " Elah إله " and " Allah الله "

" Rab رب " is the one who controls, provide needs, and take care about his people. it's accepted in arabic to say "Rab albayt, رب البيت, the house Rab" who is normally the father who protect and provide the house members' needs. Allah is the Rab of all the worlds since he created evry thing, established the controling laws of the worlds, provides all the needs of his creations. Allah is the Rab of the believer and the non-believer

" Elah إله " practically and based on the first deffenetion of the Rab, Allah is the Elah who have the right to be followed, worshiped and glorified. he, almigty have the right to legislate and to be obayed. Allah is the Elah of the believers only

" Allah الله " is a name اسم علم, of the only real Rab and Elah, he, almighty chose for his majesty. Allah is the real Rab who created us and provided us with every thing we need, and the only real Elah who is worthy to be followed and worshiped. Allah also have the beutiful names and attributes.

} قُلِ ادْعُواْ اللّهَ أَوِ ادْعُواْ الرَّحْمَـنَ أَيًّا مَّا تَدْعُواْ

فَلَهُ الأَسْمَاء الْحُسْنَى وَلاَ تَجْهَرْ بِصَلاَتِكَ وَلاَ تُخَافِتْ بِهَا

وَابْتَغِ بَيْنَ ذَلِكَ سَبِيلاً {110} وَقُلِ الْحَمْدُ لِلّهِ الَّذِي لَمْ يَتَّخِذْ وَلَدًا

وَلَم يَكُن لَّهُ شَرِيكٌ فِي الْمُلْكِ وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ وَلِيٌّ مِّنَ الذُّلَّ وَكَبِّرْهُ تَكْبِيرًا {111

017.110
Y: Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between."
017.111
Y: Say: "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"

finally, i'm not sure what should be the proper english translation of these words that transmit the real meanings, i guess
Rab, رب = Lord
Elah, إله = god
Allah, الله = Allah

Allah knows better

[sereihan]

Jews, Christians and pagans do worship Allah swt but they don’t worship him alone and they don’t worship him according to his law! So for them he is God or Elah but he is not the one and only God or the only true God because they associate partners with him!

[gmcbroom]

First, it's clearly already been said and proved, that Allah is the Arabic word for God. I remember when a law suit was filed over the use of the word was contested in Indonesia because Christians were using it and a small group of Muslims were offended by that. Eventually the courts ruled in favor of the Christians when they understood the issue.

The actual topic of this post concerns the allegation that Allah is a pagan moon god. This topic became an issue of definition instead of what was probably the intent which was do Muslims worship a moon god? I may be mistaken, and the reason I even wrote it was I read a book on St. John of Damascus who lived under the rule of a caliph Abdul Malek and served as his chief financial officer, who had no issue with him following the faith during the century who made that allegation in his writings. Specifically in his addition to concerning heresies where he added 20 new heresies to the list including the Iconoclast, ishmaelites(where his allegation is made), and the aposchitae.

St. John of Damascus was the last of the Greek Fathers. Aside from his writings I haven't seen anything else on the moon god issue. So, it's really a he said she said issue. Since my goal is never to slander or offend anyone the most I can say is I read the book.

[sereihan]

in any language you like to say God is fine what really matters is what is your definition of what you call God!

 

 as Muslims here is enough definition not from our mind but from the scripture to what we accept as God :

 

Quran 112:1-4 " Say: He is Allah, the One
and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He
begotten; And there is none like unto Him."

 

 

any one who agrees with us on this definition we tell him that we both believe in the same God and then we ask him to follow the will of God which he revealed in his last divine law to pray five times to fast and so on

[gmcbroom]

I think your missing the point.  The ones calling Allah a moon god were clearly polytheists.  As the area where Islam was born was a safe haven for polytheists, christian heretics, and all manner of nomadic people.  I don't say this to criticise just to point to what the moon god allegation is about.  I think everyone here is in agreement that Islam, like Christianity,and Judaism before it is a monotheistic religion.