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[Contest] Who Is 'the Spirit' In This Verse?

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#1 Saracen21stC

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 03:58 AM

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078.038 يَوْمَ يَقُومُ الرُّوحُ وَالْمَلائِكَةُ صَفًّا لا يَتَكَلَّمُونَ إِلا مَنْ أَذِنَ لَهُ الرَّحْمَنُ وَقَالَ صَوَابًا


078.038 Yawma yaqoomu a(l)rroo[h]u wa(a)lmal[a]-ikatu [s]affan l[a] yatakallamoona ill[a] man a[th]ina lahu a(l)rra[h]m[a]nu waq[a]la [s]aw[a]b[a](n)


078.038 The Day that the Spirit and the angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (Allah) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.

Al-Qur'an, 078.038 (an-Naba [The Tidings, The Announcement])



Q- Who is the The Ruh or the Spirit mentioned in this verse (according to the most of the scholars)?




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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:39 AM

I don't know about the scholars; and I'm non-arab. "Roh" is considered soul(even in my language), which every person has. I think(my interpretation doesn't count) This Roh is ourselves.
Again this doesn't mean I'm right. it is just what I think "Roh"

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:43 AM

WeAreComming, Thanks for participating....... Answer will be given later on... Let's see how many members participate....

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:47 AM

وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُمْ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلاَّ قَلِيل
[Quran 17:85]
"And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little."

Here is my proof, that I could find.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 08:35 AM

alsalamo alykom,
the Rouh in this verse [78.38], in most of the tafaseers, is the holy spirit, the Angle "Gebreel", that Angle who carried the Quran to the prophet, as he will be the leader of the angles in the day of judgement.

the Rouh, is used also as the "human soul" like in the verse [17-85]

the Rouh, is used also "the Quran" as in the verse [42-52], since the Quran is the spiritual feeding of the human spirit.

Allah knows best,


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Posted 14 July 2012 - 08:36 AM

وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُمْ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلاَّ قَلِيل
[Quran 17:85]
"And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little."

Here is my proof, that I could find.


alsalamo alykom, brother WeaAeComming
the Rouh in this verse is the soul, human's secret of life. in most of the Tafaseers, the verse is interpreted according to the hadeeth that mentioned in many of the hadeeth Saheeh books, in Al-Bukhary from the hadeeth of Abdu-Allah Ibn Masoud " while i was walking with the prophet (pbuh).....we pathed by a group of Jew, some of them told the others: ask him about the spirit......one of them stand up and said: O Aba-Alqaseem what is the Spirit? ....Allah revealed the verse { And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little." [Quran 17:85]

125 - حَدَّثَنَا قَيْسُ بْنُ حَفْصٍ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَاحِدِ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا الْأَعْمَشُ سُلَيْمَانُ عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ عَلْقَمَةَ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ قَالَ بَيْنَا أَنَا أَمْشِي مَعَ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فِي خَرِبِ الْمَدِينَةِ وَهُوَ يَتَوَكَّأُ عَلَى عَسِيبٍ مَعَهُ فَمَرَّ بِنَفَرٍ مِنْ الْيَهُودِ فَقَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ لِبَعْضٍ سَلُوهُ عَنْ الرُّوحِ وَقَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ لَا تَسْأَلُوهُ لَا يَجِيءُ فِيهِ بِشَيْءٍ تَكْرَهُونَهُ فَقَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ لَنَسْأَلَنَّهُ فَقَامَ رَجُلٌ مِنْهُمْ فَقَالَ يَا أَبَا الْقَاسِمِ مَا الرُّوحُ فَسَكَتَ فَقُلْتُ إِنَّهُ يُوحَى إِلَيْهِ فَقُمْتُ فَلَمَّا انْجَلَى عَنْهُ قَالَ{وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنْ الرُّوحِ قُلْ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي}وَمَا أُوتُوا مِنْ الْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا قَالَ الْأَعْمَشُ هَكَذَا فِي قِرَاءَتِنَا

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 11:55 AM

I also believe Surah 78's Spirit is Gabriel. Which is interesting... Gabriel, who is always mentioned with either bringing a Message or helping a Messenger in some way or another is described as being back on the Day of Resurrection. Is there any mention in the Qur'an that the Spirit not being associated with a Messenger?

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:41 PM

Good contest so far!! Want to see more participants though.................

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 05:06 PM

I read my translation of the quran; it did say [i.e Gibrael], and Second Ruh-ul-qudus I know that is Gibreel.
So I guess it is Gibreel.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 10:46 AM

Well, the Islamic scholars have different interpretation for the word spirit in the context of this verse of Koran. Some of them says that the word refer to the sons of Adam, some says that its refer to Jibril and citing for this argument what Allah said in Surat shu-araa (26:193-194)

﴿نَزَلَ بِهِ الرُّوحُ الاٌّمِينُ - عَلَى قَلْبِكَ لِتَكُونَ مِنَ الْمُنْذِرِينَ ﴾
(Which the trustworthy Ruh has brought down. Upon your heart that you may be of the warners.)

Others says the Ruh (Spirit) is the noblest of the angels, the closest of them to Allah Almighty
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The Koran and citing for this argument what Allah said in Surat shuurah (42:52)

(52. And thus We have sent to you Ruh of Our command. You knew not what is the Book, nor what is Faith. But We have made it a light wherewith We guide whosoever of Our servants We will. And verily, you are indeed guiding to a straight path.)

﴿وَمَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَن يُكَلِّمَهُ اللَّهُ إِلاَّ وَحْياً أَوْ مِن وَرَآءِ حِجَابٍ أَوْ يُرْسِلَ رَسُولاً فَيُوحِىَ بِإِذْنِهِ مَا يَشَآءُ إِنَّهُ عَلِىٌّ حَكِيمٌ - وَكَذَلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَآ إِلَيْكَ رُوحاً مِّنْ أَمْرِنَا مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِى مَا الْكِتَـبُ وَلاَ الإِيمَـنُ وَلَـكِن جَعَلْنَـهُ نُوراً نَّهْدِى بِهِ مَن نَّشَآءُ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِى إِلَى صِرَطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ - صِرَطِ اللَّهِ الَّذِى لَهُ مَا فِى السَّمَـوَتِ وَمَا فِى الاٌّرْضِ أَلاَ إِلَى اللَّهِ تَصِيرُ الاٍّمُورُ ﴾

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:14 PM

That was a very good contest. All of you have given the correct answer. The answer is:

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AHMAD_73, Wesley, puregoodman gave very good answers first time. And WeAreComming eventually found the correct answer.

Thanks to all for participating. Hopefully, you will participate next time :i:

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