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[Ashir]

Why is Islam against homosexuality?

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Because Allah says so, in all 3 divine religions.
Because its an un-natural disgusting thing. Imagine if all people in the world became homosexuals, who would give birth to babies?. Humanity itself will come to an end within 100 years from now.

[Ashir]

Because Allah says so, in all 3 divine religions.
Because its an un-natural disgusting thing. Imagine if all people in the world became homosexuals, who would give birth to babies?. Humanity itself will come to an end within 100 years from now.

Alright, a foolish but over all valid point. Still, what I'm asking is, why does Allah say so?
Could you explain how it is unnatural? Could you explain how anything is unnatural? The word is meaningless. Everything is natural. Everything is developed from nature or is descent from it. If you are not to accept this notion, is not the Internet unnatural? Not the seat in which you sit upon unnatural? Should you not be abstaining from these?
And also, what is wrong with things being unnatural?
Scientific studies basically show that factors of conception can largely influence homosexuality. Ere go, is Allah not punishing people who barely have a choice?
Well, ask yourself, 1. is that the case? and 2. why is there a need for more humans? We have much too much on this earth already. We harm the earth; we are it's virus; it's parasite. If anything we need less.
What exactly is so wrong with the extinction of the human race? We are disgusting, stupid creatures in comparison to our potential; religion, in my opinion, is only a fine example of how.

If you decide to draw the argument that male anatomy was developed to fit a females, alright, but if something goes against this, why is it something to die for? If I was Allah, I would simply have my people frown upon it (if the population was small), I wouldn't press them to kill them. By the way, does this not make me more merciful than the 'Most Merciful'?

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I don't think I can discuss this with you any further. Perhaps someone else with more patience can deal with such mutilated thoughts. I just want to inform you that, unfortunately, The Most Merciful did not order the killing of homosexuals.

[Younes]

Homosexuality is unlawful because Allah has made it unlawful. Allah has decided that only a male and a female can have intercourse together. However, even that is restricted. One cannot have intercourse with a member of the opposite sex in an unrestricted manner. It must happen within certain parameters and certain barriers cannot be crossed. Allah is the One who decides what is lawful and unlawful.

He will not be questioned as to that which He doeth, but they will be questioned. (21:23)

"Ere go, is Allah not punishing people who barely have a choice?"

People do have a choice. Some people may feel attracted to members of the same sex. However, that does not mean that they have no choice in having sex with somebody. People can abstain.

"If I was Allah, I would simply have my people frown upon it (if the population was small), I wouldn't press them to kill them."

The fact is that you are not. It is Allah who makes the rules.

Hast thou seen him who maketh his desire his god, and Allah sendeth him astray purposely, and sealeth up his hearing and his heart, and setteth on his sight a covering? Then who will lead him after Allah (hath condemned him)? Will ye not then heed? (45:23)

Don't be one who puts his own desire before Allah's will.

[Younes]

I don't think I can discuss this with you any further. Perhaps someone else with more patience can deal with such mutilated thoughts. I just want to inform you that, unfortunately, The Most Merciful did not order the killing of homosexuals.

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

The punishment for homosexual intercourse is death: http://islamqa.info/en/ref/38622

[Ashir]

I don't think I can discuss this with you any further. Perhaps someone else with more patience can deal with such mutilated thoughts. I just want to inform you that, unfortunately, The Most Merciful did not order the killing of homosexuals.

Hmm, would Allah not be disappointed that, though it was probably in your ability, you could not push on and show an infidel the true path?
I remember reading so a few years back, but that could just be my imagination. Anyways, under Sharia law (of course largely influenced by Islamic culture and the teachings of Muhammad), the penalty for homosexuality is death.
Mutilated thoughts? Could you explain how? It's funny how when one knows he cannot argue against a point logically, one simply deems it corrupt.

Homosexuality is unlawful because Allah has made it unlawful. Allah has decided that only a male and a female can have intercourse together. However, even that is restricted. One cannot have intercourse with a member of the opposite sex in an unrestricted manner. It must happen within certain parameters and certain barriers cannot be crossed. Allah is the One who decides what is lawful and unlawful.

He will not be questioned as to that which He doeth, but they will be questioned. (21:23)

"Ere go, is Allah not punishing people who barely have a choice?"

People do have a choice. Some people may feel attracted to members of the same sex. However, that does not mean that they have no choice in having sex with somebody. People can abstain.

"If I was Allah, I would simply have my people frown upon it (if the population was small), I wouldn't press them to kill them."

The fact is that you are not. It is Allah who makes the rules.

Hast thou seen him who maketh his desire his god, and Allah sendeth him astray purposely, and sealeth up his hearing and his heart, and setteth on his sight a covering? Then who will lead him after Allah (hath condemned him)? Will ye not then heed? (45:23)

Don't be one who puts his own desire before Allah's will.

So your point is, 'because Allah said so.'. That would be quite a valid point if Allah's existence was undebatable, but this claim leans towards the questions of 'How do you know Allah exists' and so on, but that is for another topic. I would still like to know if anyone can explain the logic behind Allah's teachings.

They have a choice to abstain from sexual intercourse with members of the same gender, indeed, but the Qu'ran not only condemns sexual acts but homosexuality as a whole, that is, attraction to members of the same gender. No one can simply click their fingers and turn heterosexual.

[Saracen21stC]

Hmm, would Allah not be disappointed that, though it was probably in your ability, you could not push on and show an infidel the true path?
I remember reading so a few years back, but that could just be my imagination. Anyways, under Sharia law (of course largely influenced by Islamic culture and the teachings of Muhammad), the penalty for homosexuality is death.
Mutilated thoughts? Could you explain how? It's funny how when one knows he cannot argue against a point logically, one simply deems it corrupt.




So your point is, 'because Allah said so.'. That would be quite a valid point if Allah's existence was undebatable, but this claim leans towards the questions of 'How do you know Allah exists' and so on, but that is for another topic. I would still like to know if anyone can explain the logic behind Allah's teachings.

They have a choice to abstain from sexual intercourse with members of the same gender, indeed, but the Qu'ran not only condemns sexual acts but homosexuality as a whole, that is, attraction to members of the same gender. No one can simply click their fingers and turn heterosexual.

A human does not become sinner just because he/she has sexual feelings for the same gender. Acting on it is considered sinful.

[Younes]

A human does not become sinner just because he/she has sexual feelings for the same gender. Acting on it is considered sinful.

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

In addition to what brother Saracen21stC said, one would be rewarded for not acting such feelings and abstaining.

[ParadiseLost]

A human do not become sinner just because he/she has sexual feelings for the same gender. Acting on it is considered sinful.

As brother Saracen21st said we don't become a sinner because of feelings. Many people not just people who are attracted to same sex may want to do something against Islam, for example a Muslim may have the desire to drink alcohol but for the sake of Allah he does not put his desire before his desire for jannah. We all have desires and we all at times are tested by these desires. But the reward for refusing the temptation of these desires is so much greater than giving into to our desires. There is also a hadith which shows that when we intend to do something bad but then do not act on it we are actually rewarded for a good deed! Allah is truly the Most Merciful.

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet narrating about his Lord I'm and said, "Allah ordered (the appointed angels over you) that the good and the bad deeds be written, and He then showed (the way) how (to write). If somebody intends to do a good deed and he does not do it, then Allah will write for him a full good deed (in his account with Him); and if he intends to do a good deed and actually did it, then Allah will write for him (in his account) with Him (its reward equal) from ten to seven hundred times to many more times: and if somebody intended to do a bad deed and he does not do it, then Allah will write a full good deed (in his account) with Him, and if he intended to do it (a bad deed) and actually did it, then Allah will write one bad deed (in his account) ." (Sahih Bukhari Book 76, Hadith 498)

[Padre5]

I am pretty sure that homosexuality is just a normal, human variant.It is much too common to be anything else. And, I can't see how somebody else's sexual preference or activity can effect me. Many things in all Holy Texts are inane or just plain wrong. That is one of the reasons I became an atheist long ago. In America, homophobia is being institutionalized by Christians, for many of the same reasons as Islam appears to fear it. I think that Jesus and perhaps Mohammed would be more tolerant If they were alive and walking among us today.

[Saracen21stC]

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet narrating about his Lord I'm and said, "Allah ordered (the appointed angels over you) that the good and the bad deeds be written, and He then showed (the way) how (to write). If somebody intends to do a good deed and he does not do it, then Allah will write for him a full good deed (in his account with Him); and if he intends to do a good deed and actually did it, then Allah will write for him (in his account) with Him (its reward equal) from ten to seven hundred times to many more times: and if somebody intended to do a bad deed and he does not do it, then Allah will write a full good deed (in his account) with Him, and if he intended to do it (a bad deed) and actually did it, then Allah will write one bad deed (in his account) ." (Sahih Bukhari Book 76, Hadith 498)

Jazak Allahu Khayran sister ParadiseLost for this wonderful hadith. Reading this hadith gives me lots of hope and courage. Here is a beautiful verse I thought I could share:

012.087 "O my sons! go ye and enquire about Joseph and his brother, and never give up hope of Allah's Soothing Mercy: truly no one despairs of Allah's Soothing Mercy, except those who have no faith."

Al-Qur'an, 012.087 (Yusuf [Joseph])

[Ashir]

A human does not become sinner just because he/she has sexual feelings for the same gender. Acting on it is considered sinful.

I don't remember reading so but I read the Qu'ran a while back and would probably have forgotten things.

I am pretty sure that homosexuality is just a normal, human variant.It is much too common to be anything else. And, I can't see how somebody else's sexual preference or activity can effect me. Many things in all Holy Texts are inane or just plain wrong. That is one of the reasons I became an atheist long ago. In America, homophobia is being institutionalized by Christians, for many of the same reasons as Islam appears to fear it. I think that Jesus and perhaps Mohammed would be more tolerant If they were alive and walking among us today.

Not just a human variant. Over 400 species of organisms have homosexuals.

Jazak Allahu Khayran sister ParadiseLost for this wonderful hadith. Reading this hadith gives me lots of hope and courage. Here is a beautiful verse I thought I could share:

012.087 "O my sons! go ye and enquire about Joseph and his brother, and never give up hope of Allah's Soothing Mercy: truly no one despairs of Allah's Soothing Mercy, except those who have no faith."

Al-Qur'an, 012.087 (Yusuf [Joseph])

'Faith'. The concept is ridiculous. The definition is literally, belief without evidence. He who accepts something as true without evidence is not very logically intelligent.

Edited by Ashir, 29 July 2012 - 10:04 PM.

[ala'adin]

You mention those who accept something without evidence as not logically intelligent, We have evidence that is the Qur'an!

As for being an athiest that itself is blind faith, why because you I would imagine would say you "agree" with science and its not a faith because science has proof. still science cannot prove how the sub atomic particle came about that caused the big bang. it has a bunch of theories on what it is but nothing has been proven. therefore your belif it as truth is blind and by your own words 'ridiculous'

[Ashir]

There are two atheisms. Strong atheism is the one that relies on 'faith' since it 1. does not believe in God (requires no faith) and 2. believes there is no God (requires faith). I am a weak atheist, otherwise known as an agnostic atheist, which means I still accept the possibility of there being a deity, I just find it unlikely.

I do not believe in science nor the big bang. I believe nothing. I follow Arcesilaus' teachings that 'Nothing is certain, not even that'.
I just find science likely to be true because it has at the very least scratches of evidence to back itself, the big bang has a number of these.

Now that is just ridiculous. Because science cannot prove something you say 'There must be a god that made the universe!' Why do people always have the urge to answer things which they should have the sense to know cannot be answered just yet?
I can think of a number of theories which have no evidence to describe the creation of the universe. Does that mean they are true? Because the Qu'ran would beg to differ.

[ala'adin]

I never said that because science cannot prove it, thats why I believe in god. You made that assumption, I said that our proof is in the Qur'an.

your claim to believe in nothing is also a belief. because you choose to follow a certain way and live life according to the belief that nothing is certain and so I...

I want to tell you a story about Isaac newton, newton was expecting an athiest to come to his house to debate the existance of god, when he arrived newton went to get him a drink and the man began to look around until he found a model of the universe. He was amazed when newton returned he said "how did you make this" newton responed "i didnt". he said well who did newton said "no one did its always been there" the man replied " there is no way that such an intricate model could ever have just been there someone must have made it, otherwise it does not make sense" Newton smiling then said "if you cannot believe that this model came from nothing, then how can you believe the real solar system and all the cosmos with its immenesly superior design could come without a creator"

[Nightingale]

What is an agnostic atheist? Atheists stand for not believing in God, that's the definition of an Atheist. From dictionary.com:

a·the·ist
   [ey-thee-ist] Show IPA

noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

As for agnostics, they are doubters, not sure of whether a God exists. So I always wonder how one can be an agnostic atheist since atheism does require a belief in the denial of God.

Edited by Nightingale, 30 July 2012 - 01:04 PM.

[SaracenSoldier]

SubhanAllah. So now faith and iman are ridiculous yet homosexuality is "natural".. Laailaha ilAllah. This disgusting practice was invented by the people of Sodom. Lut(as) went to them warning them yet they refused and Allah destroyed them.

[abdullahfath]

Alright, a foolish but over all valid point. Still, what I'm asking is, why does Allah say so?
Could you explain how it is unnatural? Could you explain how anything is unnatural? The word is meaningless. Everything is natural. Everything is developed from nature or is descent from it. If you are not to accept this notion, is not the Internet unnatural? Not the seat in which you sit upon unnatural? Should you not be abstaining from these?
And also, what is wrong with things being unnatural?
Scientific studies basically show that factors of conception can largely influence homosexuality. Ere go, is Allah not punishing people who barely have a choice?
Well, ask yourself, 1. is that the case? and 2. why is there a need for more humans? We have much too much on this earth already. We harm the earth; we are it's virus; it's parasite. If anything we need less.
What exactly is so wrong with the extinction of the human race? We are disgusting, stupid creatures in comparison to our potential; religion, in my opinion, is only a fine example of how.

If you decide to draw the argument that male anatomy was developed to fit a females, alright, but if something goes against this, why is it something to die for? If I was Allah, I would simply have my people frown upon it (if the population was small), I wouldn't press them to kill them. By the way, does this not make me more merciful than the 'Most Merciful'?

bismillah ar ramnir rahim,

You speak half truths and then expect us to answer them?

Science shows no such thing and you know that. Time and again they have tried to prove that homosexuality is not a choice but they have yet to find anything even in genome research. Why? Because their isn't one. Simple. Your precious science did the studies and they were unable to find a single gene linking individuals to be predisposed to such behavior. It is not something one is born with, it is a choice. If you like I can post the scientific information here.

Now if we want to look at sources outside of the Qur'an since you are atheist perhaps you will consider that most major societies only turn to this behavior when they are on the verge of collapsing. Ancient Greece began doing this in the inner circles where the individuals had too much money, not enough to do and ate constantly and likewise in Rome. Why? Because over indulgence and giving into appetites leads only to further decimation of the body.

But, on the other hand I do not think that religion can be forced on anyone. Those who choose to lead the life of the blind (metaphorically speaking) are bound to stumble and walk into things that those with sight simply would not.

[Sister-Alia]

Why is Islam against homosexuality?

WHY? is it that everything you say in everypost is against Islam and you call your self a ''MUSLIM'' Please get a GRIP.