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[TonyJ]

Quran 25:53 talks about God releasing two seas, one salty and one sweet (fresh water presumably) and created a barrier between them so they do not mix.

http://quran.com/25/53

Where are these two seas that do not mix? I am not aware of any fresh water sea that is protected by a barrier from a salt water sea. Unless the barrier refers to a large land mass.

[Saracen21stC]

Qur'an does not say they do not or can never mix. They just do not transgress. There is a law that they follow which correlates to pycnocline, halocline.

[TonyJ]

Where are these two seas?

[Saracen21stC]

There is no indication about that.

[TonyJ]

I suppose these seas could be on any planet in the Universe. There is nothing in the verse that specifically says they are on Earth right?

Because there is nothing readily observable on our planet that matches that description.

[Saracen21stC]

I suppose these seas could be on any planet in the Universe. There is nothing in the verse that specifically says they are on Earth right?

Qur'an does not say anything about another planet. Humans beings live in the Earth. Qur'an is for people living in the Earth. So, this must be related to planet earth.

Because there is nothing readily observable on our planet that matches that description.

How?

[TonyJ]

I mean there is no place on Earth I can think of where there is a salt sea and a fresh water sea that are divided by a barrier.

[TonyJ]

I just found out that the word used in the Koran is البحرين which is the name of the modern nation of Bahrain. So maybe the two seas originally refered to some two bodies of water around Bahrain. I.e. the Salty Persian Gulf and a fresh water lake / Oasis in Bahrain?

http://en.wikipedia....hrain#Etymology

[AHMAD_73]

Quran 25:53 talks about God releasing two seas, one salty and one sweet (fresh water presumably) and created a barrier between them so they do not mix.

http://quran.com/25/53

Where are these two seas that do not mix? I am not aware of any fresh water sea that is protected by a barrier from a salt water sea. Unless the barrier refers to a large land mass.

i believe that may help,

http://www.gawaher.c...ge__hl__tactics

generally it's a new discovered phenomina called "halocline"

[AhmedTi]

The two seas mentioned in this verse refer to meeting between the River and Sea

[AhmedTi]

The below video maybe helpful. Yet, unfortunately it is in Arabic. I wish that one of our brothers could translate its contents for you as I am running on time.

Edited by AhmedTi, 31 July 2012 - 10:05 PM.

[Saracen21stC]

I mean there is no place on Earth I can think of where there is a salt sea and a fresh water sea that are divided by a barrier.

There are many aquatic areas where halocline takes place. What is so unrealistic here?

[Saracen21stC]

I just found out that the word used in the Koran is البحرين which is the name of the modern nation of Bahrain. So maybe the two seas originally refered to some two bodies of water around Bahrain. I.e. the Salty Persian Gulf and a fresh water lake / Oasis in Bahrain?

http://en.wikipedia....hrain#Etymology

There is no evidence of the statements you have made. I mean about that verse's relation to modern nation Bahrain.

[AHMAD_73]

i believe that may help,

http://www.gawaher.c...ge__hl__tactics

generally it's a new discovered phenomina called "halocline"

here is the broken link in the previous thread

[TonyJ]

The two seas mentioned in this verse refer to meeting between the River and Sea

The verse says two seas. Not a river and a sea.

[TonyJ]

There are many aquatic areas where halocline takes place. What is so unrealistic here?

Then the verse has been translated poorly into English because the use of the definate article (the) in English refers to two specific seas, not water bodies in general.

[Saracen21stC]

The verse says two seas. Not a river and a sea.

The word two seas (or bahrain) can also mean two bodies of water in both English and Arabic. You are just being pedantic here.

Then the verse has been translated poorly into English because the use of the definate article (the) in English refers to two specific seas, not water bodies in general.

I have never seen any rule that the article 'the' in context of that verse will have to mean that they are from a specific area. It's rather the specific bodies of water, one fresh and sweet and the other salty and bitter.

[AhmedTi]

The meaning of the word sea بحر in Arabic is a broad term, and one of its meaning any large palace contain water. Please seek the meaning of the word in Arabic dictionary.

[TonyJ]

The more I think about this the more I come to the conclusion that the Koran msut be refering to salt water and fresh water in general.

So the two seas refer to:

Sea 1: All of the fresh water on Earth

Sea 2: All of the salt water on Earth

Thus the Koran is demonstrating how miraclulous it is that life giving fresh water is kept safe from salt water. I Think there is something in the Bible along these lines too though I do not have a reference for it at the moment.