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[Happyforever]

I don't think so.

Curse on you Bashar and all who support you even by word.

[OneWithTime]

No offense but you question is vague. Define "true Muslim"?
In case you wonder, a lot of bordering Turks (civilians) cross the border to help Syria and try to create explosives to help the people fight back. Issue is that Bashar has tanks and uses them on his people like bugspray on ants.
But please clarify your question.

[Happyforever]

The question is clear and the answer is clear, NO.

Some Turks help them with money, medicine, food, weapon? So what?

This is an open war against innocent Muslims our brothers and sisters, they are part of us, our mothers and sons and daughters are being tortured to death. Kafiroon can't bear this for their brothers, how do we watch with cold eyes?!!

Arab countries revolt against unjustice, for the sake of improvement, for the sake of better life. Now, there is no value of that all and we have to combine altogether and revolt against Bashar and his supporters, revolt against the dirty rulers of Muslim countries, May Allah toruture them all in life and tomb and Hereafter.

Where are the true Muslims? Where are You Abu Bakr? Where are you Omar? Where are you Salah Edin?

They don't exist.

لا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله

لك الله يا سوريا

[Younes]

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

It is not true that nothing is done. Something is obviously being done. If nothing was done the FSA wouldn't be fighting Bashar and his dogs, and the rebellion would have been quenched and subdued a long time ago. Bashar declared victory some months ago. I think it was back in March. If nothing was being done, he wouldn't be fought right now. The thing is that Syria is a proxy war right now.

You are not a politcian nor a military expert. You might want to rush into Syria in order to save the oppressed but that would not necessarily be a good move. It might create harm than good. Syria is at the moment a potential cause for WW3 because so many players are involved. Look at, for example, the US when it entered Afghanistan and Iraq. It got its hands in a big mess and it is the greatest nation at the moment. You have to take many factors into consideration before you act.

Bashar will fall soon inshaa Allah, though. May Allah bring relief to the Syrian people.

[dot]

That's true sister. I'm really ashamed that Arab governments spend billions to buy tanks and war planes only to use against their own people. Even the people don't do much. Its truly humiliating to wait for help to come from the west, otherwise we stand still watching our brothers and sisters tortured and brutally slaughtered.

This all leaves me wondering about how low humans could be. Armies killing their own people. International conscious dead and buried. Steps are taken only where there are oil or political interests involved. Its a mean low world, not worth living in.. really.

Those martyrs that bashar kills every hour definitely go to a much better world, leaving us here suffering and drowning in the filth of the earth.

[Happyforever]

That's true sister. I'm really ashamed that Arab governments spend billions to buy tanks and war planes only to use against their own people. Even the people don't do much. Its truly humiliating to wait for help to come from the west, otherwise we stand still watching our brothers and sisters tortured and brutally slaughtered.

This all leaves me wondering about how low humans could be. Armies killing their own people. International conscious dead and buried. Steps are taken only where there are oil or political interests involved. Its a mean low world, not worth living in.. really.

Those martyrs that bashar kills every hour definitely go to a much better world, leaving us here suffering and drowning in the filth of the earth.

Perfectly right. It's us who are being tortured.


To brother Younes,

It's not a chess playing with wooden chess piec. If they were Kafiroon, messenger of Allah would never leave that to happen.

"A Muslim to a Muslim is like a building supporting each other."


Who wants to say otherwise, keep silent. This is a topic for Syria and Syrians.


لك الله يا سوريا

[iMusliMariam]

Of course there are true Muslims around the world who support the suffering Syrian Muslims.

Allah knows best.

For those who cannot do anything about what's happening in those countries, like myself, all we can do is include our Muslim brothers and sisters in our du'as. We pray to Allah for their welfare and guidance to Allah.

May Allah forgive our sins and mistakes and guide all Muslims to all that Allah and His Messenger Muhammad SallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam. Ameen.

Remember that enjoining right and forbidding evil can be on three levels only:

1) by one's hand, in other words in one's physical form. if a Muslim is smoking a cigar, you take the cigar away from him and explain to him that smoking is haraam as it causes harm to oneself and causing harm to oneself and others is forbidden in Islam. Allah knows best.

2) by one's speech - by speaking out. what's going on in some countries with the oppressed Muslims... those who can speak out for them can speak out for them or carry out some legal street protests and rallies to show their opposition against the injustice that's going on. even writing can be counted here.

3) by one's heart, meaning if you cannot afford to stop the evil that's going on with your hands and speech, you should at least (and this is the very least that a Muslim should do, no lesser than this, meaning that this is an obligation) hate the evil deeds and sins from your heart. so if for example you see a Muslim stranger smoking and you don't have the guts to speak to him about it, you should at least hate the bad action he is doing.

Allah knows best

[Happyforever]

Of course there are true Muslims around the world who support the suffering Syrian Muslims.

For those who cannot do anything about what's happening in those countries, like myself, all we can do is include our Muslim brothers and sisters in our du'as.

3) by one's heart, meaning if you cannot afford to stop the evil that's going on with your hands and speech, you should at least (and this is the very least that a Muslim should do, no lesser than this, meaning that this is an obligation) hate the evil deeds and sins from your heart.

Allah knows best

No, there isn't as long as by heart and tongue. This is the weakest of Eman.

"عن أبي سعيد الخدري قال : سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول : من رأى منكم منكرا فليغيره بيده ، فإن لم يستطع فبلسانه ، فإن لم يستطع فبقلبه ، وذلك أضعف الإيمان . رواه مسلم "

Even this is for seeing bad deed not massacres!!!

Please, you raise my pain.

[Younes]

It's not a chess playing with wooden chess piec. If they were Kafiroon, messenger of Allah would never leave that to happen.

"A Muslim to a Muslim is like a building supporting each other."

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

You intented well but you speak out of emotion. Politics is a bit more complex than "if they are Kafiroon, then we should do X".

You don't know what the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) would do. To give you perfect example, the treaty of Hubaybiyah. I am sorry for the bunched up text. If you want a more reader-friendly version go to the original: http://www.qtafsir.c...sk=view&id=2005. It is nicely spaced out there.

Then Suhayl said, `We also stipulate that you should return to us whoever comes to you from us, even if he embraced your religion.' The Muslims protested, `Glorified be Allah! How can a person be returned to the idolators after he has become a Muslim' While they were in this state Abu Jandal bin Suhayl bin `Amr came from the valley of Makkah staggering with his chains and fell down among the Muslims. Suhayl said, `O Muhammad! This is the very first term with which we make peace with you, that is, you shall return Abu Jandal to me.' The Prophet said,
«إِنَّا لَمْ نَقْضِ الْكِتَابَ بَعْد»
(The peace treaty has not been written yet.) Suhayl said, `Then by Allah, I will never conduct peace with you.' The Prophet said,
«فَأَجِزْهُ لِي»
(Release him to me,) and Suhayl responded, `I will never allow you to keep him.' The Prophet said,
«بَلَى فَافْعَل»
(Yes, do.) He said, `I will not.' Mikraz said, `We allow you (to keep him).' Abu Jandal said, `O, Muslims! Will I be returned to the idolators although I have come as a Muslim Don't you see how much I have suffered' Abu Jandal had been tortured severely for the cause of Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored. `Umar bin Al-Khattab said, `I went to the Prophet and said: Aren't you truly the Messenger of Allah' The Prophet said,
«بَلَى»
(Yes, indeed.) I said, `Isn't our cause just and the cause of the enemy unjust' He said,
«بَلَى»
(Yes.) I said, `Then why should we be humble in our religion' He said,
«إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللهِ وَلَسْتُ أَعْصِيهِ وَهُوَ نَاصِرِي»
(I am Allah's Messenger and I do not disobey Him, and He will make me victorious.) I said, `Didn't you tell us that we would go to the Ka`bah and perform Tawaf around it' He said,
«بَلَى أَفَأَخْبَرْتُكَ أَنَّا نَأْتِيهِ الْعَامَ؟»
(Yes, but did I tell you that we would visit the Ka`bah this year) I said, `No.' He said,
«فَإِنَّكَ آتِيهِ وَمُطَّوِّفٌ بِه»
(So you will visit it and perform Tawaf around it.) `Umar further said, `I went to Abu Bakr and said: O Abu Bakr! Isn't he truly Allah's Prophet' He replied, `Yes.' I said, `Is not our cause just and the cause of our enemy unjust' He said, `Yes.' I said, `Then why should we be humble in our religion' He said, `O you man! Indeed, he is Allah's Messenger and he does not disobey his Lord, and He will make him victorious. Adhere to him for, by Allah, he is on the right path.' I said, `Was he not telling us that we would go to the Ka`bah and perform Tawaf around it' He said, `Yes, but did he tell you that you would go to the Ka`bah this year' I said, `No.' He said, `You will go to the Ka`bah and perform Tawaf around it.' Az-Zuhri said, "`Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, said, `I performed many good deeds as expiation for the improper questions I asked them.' '' "When the writing of the peace treaty was concluded, Allah's Messenger said to his Companions,
«قُومُوا فَانْحَرُوا ثُمَّ احْلِقُوا»
(Get up and slaughter your sacrifices and have your heads shaved.) By Allah none of them got up, and the Prophet repeated his order thrice. When none of them got up, he left them and went to Umm Salamah and told her of the people's attitudes towards him. Umm Salamah said, `O Prophet of Allah! Do you want your order to be carried out Go out and don't say a word to anybody until you have slaughtered your sacrifice and call your barber to shave your head.' The Messenger of Allah went out and did not talk to anyone until he did what she suggested, slaughtered the sacrifice and shaved his head. Seeing that, the Companions got up, slaughtered their sacrifices, and started shaving the heads of one another. There was so much of a rush -- and sadness -- that there was a danger of killing each other. Then some believing women came and Allah the Exalted and most Honored revealed the following Ayat,
﴿يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ إِذَا جَآءَكُمُ الْمُؤْمِنَـتُ﴾
(O you who believe! When believing women come to you) (60:10), until,
﴿بِعِصَمِ الْكَوَافِرِ﴾
(Likewise hold not the disbelieving women as wives.) `Umar then divorced two of his wives, who were disbelievers. Later on Mu`awiyah bin Abu Sufyan married one of them, and Safwan bin Umayyah married the other. When the Prophet returned to Al-Madinah, Abu Basir, a new Muslim convert from the Quraysh, came to him. The disbelievers sent two men in pursuit who said to the Prophet , `Abide by the promise you gave us.' So, the Prophet handed him over to them. They took him out (of Al-Madinah) until they reached Dhul-Hulayfah where they dismounted to eat some dates they had with them. Abu Basir said to one of them, `By Allah, O, so-and-so, I see you have a fine sword.' The other drew it out (of its sheath) and said, `Yes, by Allah, it is very fine and I have tried it many times.' Abu Basir said, `Let me have a look at it.' When the other gave the sword to Abu Basir, he struck him with it until he died. His companion ran away until he reached Al-Madinah, entering the Masjid running. When Allah's Messenger saw him he said,
«لَقَدْ رَأَى هذَا ذُعْرًا»
(This man appears to have been frightened.) When he reached the Prophet he said, `My companion has been murdered, by Allah, and I would have been murdered too. ' Abu Basir came and said, `O Allah's Messenger, by Allah! Allah has made you fulfill your obligations by returning me to them, but Allah the Exalted has saved me from them.' The Prophet said,
«وَيْلُ أُمِّهِ مِسْعَرَ حَرْبٍ لَوْ كَانَ مَعَهُ أَحَد»
(Woe to his mother! What an excellent war kindler he would be, if he only have supporters.) When Abu Basir heard this from the Prophet , he understood that he would return him to the idolators again, so he set off until he reached the seashore. Abu Jandal bin Suhayl also got himself released from the disbelievers and joined Abu Basir. Thereafter, whenever a man from Quraysh embraced Islam he would follow Abu Basir until they formed a strong group. By Allah, whenever they heard about a caravan of the Quraysh heading towards Ash-Sham (Greater Syria), they stopped it, attacked and killed the disbelievers and took their properties. The people of Quraysh sent a message to the Prophet requesting him for the sake of Allah and kith and kin to send for (Abu Basir and his companions) promising that whoever among them came to the Prophet , would be secure.




Like I said, politics is a bit more complex. Has been, as it was in the Prophet's (pbuh) time, and always will except for what Allah wills.

We are not military experts nor political ones. We don't know if a full intervention is the right thing to do. Intervention has consequences, something which the US has learnt the hard way after having invaded both Afghanistan and Iraq - failed invasions. They were in the same excact state of mind. "We have been angered!", "we will not tolerate this!". You can't be short-sighted when it comes to politics.

[Happyforever]

[omamansour]

Assalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatu Allahi wa barakatu

It's a shame how the Islamic world is sitting idle doing nothing while our brothers are being slaughtered in Syria. I totally agree with our sister Happyforever. Our Syrians brothers need our support. It's not enough to give them a few machine guns and anti tanks, when Bashar the butcher has hundreds of tanks and planes. The Arab world need to step in and really help out by giving our brothers all what they need; They sat on the sideline and watched long enough.

Also Turkey needs to establish a no fly zone by its border; Our brothers need a place they feel safe to go to to regroup and rest.

The whole Arab world needs to step up and help out. Our brothers need money, medecine, weapons...

Brothers and sisters, let's keep our Syrian freedom fighters in our du'a.