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[aknative]

Its election time here in the states, where for the first time in hystory (for the US) there is no limit to what a corporation can give to support their choice in canditates. of course, unlimited funds will in no means currupt our great democracy (our supreme court,not a direct quote but, it is the jist of it). when both sides can legally purchase advertising time to air their perspective views. and the media can report what is being said without fact checking and not be held accountatable. i believe we need truth in advertising. and if someone mispeaks or doesnt tell the whole story then we should be able to hold the media that perpetuates the lies to the fire. why do we allow the media to misinform, if a news outlet makes a statement that turns out to be false then that same media outlet should have to pay ten fold in correcting the missrepresentation. if a polititian states that for instance "my opponant refused to sign the bill that would have passed this great law" but he himself refused to sign, but neglected to mention that,,then we should know about it (mr. ryan).
i feel the US media or corporations are ruining this great land. i believe that once we take down the media corporations that missinform our people then we will find that we are all the same. we all want to see our children grow we want to see them happy we want them to be god people. my people call God "Creator". He is called many things by many cultures but no matterhow you translate it he is the one who mmade all that is.
the further I move downthis path called age the more i realize how much in common my people have to the people of the middle east. we are both very tribal. we both believe in Allah, i just havent had he opportunity to speak to "a wiseman" to teach me.
the one thing we differ in is writing. we dont have a recorded or written history, we prefer to pass our beliefs down verbally. although that is changing. i digress, sorry.
the problem with media is they dont get it. they just do what they want to make money as opposed to doing what theyshould be doing. they could be an incredible outlet for assisting humanity, but right now its just dog crap! i dont have cable so i dont watch american media. i read the news, and have recently realized that public (internet) forums are very informative. you'd never see me on a christian forum though, they killed my ancestors and stole our land and gave us their bible. screw them. I dont believe in turning the other cheek like Jesus, i believe in an eye for an eye, i come from a warrior society. the media needs to change. it needs to be held accountable. we need better laws that make them accountable.
peace

[dot]

Its a shame to allow unlimited funds. This means that it will be big corporations, not the people of America, that will choose who gets to be the president.
I think they should be given equal funds, equal air time and advertising on all media outlets. But this would be in another world, a world where Americans actually rule their country, and free it from zionist occupation.

PS. Yes, you are close to Islam than to any other religion. We also call Allah The Creator. Its one of the 99 beautiful names of Allah Al-Mighty. The Quran also mentions the eye for an eye principle..

5:45 We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.

It would be my pleasure to assist you in anyway you need to learn mor about Islam, the ultimate way of life. You can PM me or start a new topic for any questions you may have regarding Islam.

[AHMAD_73]

the zionest Jew and their followers will control MEDIA, and they did....

ثُمَّ رَدَدْنَا لَكُمُ الْكَرَّةَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَمْدَدْنَاكُم بِأَمْوَالٍ وَبَنِينَ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ أَكْثَرَ نَفِيرًا {6

017.006 P: Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery (S: numerous band)

the arabic word "Nafeera, نفيراً" means "the high voice of the horn " which gives the indication of "military and war" , also it gives the indication of " higher voice of MEDIA"...........

in a Quranic prophecy, Allah talks to the Jew, he tells them we will re-give you means of power, numbers of followers, money and media just as another chance in the "LIFE TEST" for the jew. they will fail the second test as well, they will use the resources to spread corrubtions and troubles in the land, i don't know, what could that lead the USA to?!!.......

[aknative]

Its a shame to allow unlimited funds. This means that it will be big corporations, not the people of America, that will choose who gets to be the president.
I think they should be given equal funds, equal air time and advertising on all media outlets. But this would be in another world, a world where Americans actually rule their country, and free it from zionist occupation.

PS. Yes, you are close to Islam than to any other religion. We also call Allah The Creator. Its one of the 99 beautiful names of Allah Al-Mighty. The Quran also mentions the eye for an eye principle..

It would be my pleasure to assist you in anyway you need to learn mor about Islam, the ultimate way of life. You can PM me or start a new topic for any questions you may have regarding Islam.

thank you, i think i am going to look for an english version of the Quran. i think i should start to learn. i will keep you in mind ahmad. i definately feel a connection to your faith.

[aknative]

thank you, i think i am going to look for an english version of the Quran. i think i should start to learn. i will keep you in mind ahmad. i definately feel a connection to your faith.

oops...i was replying to dot

[aknative]

the zionest Jew and their followers will control MEDIA, and they did....

ثُمَّ رَدَدْنَا لَكُمُ الْكَرَّةَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَمْدَدْنَاكُم بِأَمْوَالٍ وَبَنِينَ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ أَكْثَرَ نَفِيرًا {6

017.006 P: Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery (S: numerous band)

the arabic word "Nafeera, نفيراً" means "the high voice of the horn " which gives the indication of "military and war" , also it gives the indication of " higher voice of MEDIA"...........

in a Quranic prophecy, Allah talks to the Jew, he tells them we will re-give you means of power, numbers of followers, money and media just as another chance in the "LIFE TEST" for the jew. they will fail the second test as well, they will use the resources to spread corrubtions and troubles in the land, i don't know, what could that lead the USA to?!!.......

the zionest Jew and their followers will control MEDIA, and they did....

ثُمَّ رَدَدْنَا لَكُمُ الْكَرَّةَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَمْدَدْنَاكُم بِأَمْوَالٍ وَبَنِينَ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ أَكْثَرَ نَفِيرًا {6

017.006 P: Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery (S: numerous band)

the arabic word "Nafeera, نفيراً" means "the high voice of the horn " which gives the indication of "military and war" , also it gives the indication of " higher voice of MEDIA"...........

in a Quranic prophecy, Allah talks to the Jew, he tells them we will re-give you means of power, numbers of followers, money and media just as another chance in the "LIFE TEST" for the jew. they will fail the second test as well, they will use the resources to spread corrubtions and troubles in the land, i don't know, what could that lead the USA to?!!.......

to Ahmad 73. you are so right, i cant believe there is an actual proghecy to what is taking place.. i can see it, i knew something was wrong with the media but didnt know what. now its clear. thank you for passing on the wisdom. i hope to educate myself and finding affirmation of what i already suspect is a move in the right direction.

[dot]

i think i am going to look for an english version of the Quran.

Look no further. We have it right here:
http://www.gawaher.c...-international/
You can also listen as you read. Try this chapter:
http://quran.com/76

[Younes]

the zionest Jew and their followers will control MEDIA, and they did....

ثُمَّ رَدَدْنَا لَكُمُ الْكَرَّةَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَمْدَدْنَاكُم بِأَمْوَالٍ وَبَنِينَ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ أَكْثَرَ نَفِيرًا {6

017.006 P: Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery (S: numerous band)

the arabic word "Nafeera, نفيراً" means "the high voice of the horn " which gives the indication of "military and war" , also it gives the indication of " higher voice of MEDIA"...........

in a Quranic prophecy, Allah talks to the Jew, he tells them we will re-give you means of power, numbers of followers, money and media just as another chance in the "LIFE TEST" for the jew. they will fail the second test as well, they will use the resources to spread corrubtions and troubles in the land, i don't know, what could that lead the USA to?!!.......

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

Brother, the above is not a prophecy. This event happened already. It talks about when the children of Israel were overwhelmed by Nebuchdanezzar but later on won:

(4. And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: "Indeed you would do mischief in the land twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant!'') (5. So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you servants of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled.) (6. Then We gave you a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in manpower.) (7. (And We said): "If you do good, you do good for your own selves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves.'' Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to disgrace your faces and to enter the Masjid as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands.) (8. It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers.)

If you read it within context, it becomes more clear.

[aknative]

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

Brother, the above is not a prophecy. This event happened already. It talks about when the children of israel were overwhelmed by Nebuchdanezzar but later on won:

(4. And We decreed for the Children of israel in the Scripture: "Indeed you would do mischief in the land twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant!'') (5. So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you servants of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled.) (6. Then We gave you a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in manpower.) (7. (And We said): "If you do good, you do good for your own selves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves.'' Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to disgrace your faces and to enter the Masjid as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands.) (8. It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers.)

If you read it within context, it becomes more clear.

it is more clear,thank you

[aknative]

Look no further. We have it right here:
http://www.gawaher.c...-international/
You can also listen as you read. Try this chapter:
http://quran.com/76

Look no further. We have it right here:
http://www.gawaher.c...-international/
You can also listen as you read. Try this chapter:
http://quran.com/76

thank youfor the Quran text but it is not supported in my EVO phone. i am still going to look for a book. thank you my friend

[AHMAD_73]

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

Brother, the above is not a prophecy. This event happened already. It talks about when the children of Israel were overwhelmed by Nebuchdanezzar but later on won:

(4. And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: "Indeed you would do mischief in the land twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant!'') (5. So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you servants of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled.) (6. Then We gave you a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in manpower.) (7. (And We said): "If you do good, you do good for your own selves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves.'' Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to disgrace your faces and to enter the Masjid as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands.) (8. It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers.)

If you read it within context, it becomes more clear.

assalamo alykom wa rahmat Allah, brother
in fact, many Egyptian scolars believe that the verse is applicable to the current Jews situation and i've been raised up on that meaning. the interpretation you mentioned is questionable in many points,
1- Allah tells the openers will be " our servents" and "re-enter the masjed as they did in the first time" do Nebuchdanezzar and his soliders are "rightous servants"? did they entered the Masjeed for first and second times?? what did they did in the Masjeed??
2- Allah tells about the Jew, they will re-gain power against the openers, did the Jew deffeted Nebuchdanezzar or he was been deffeted by the Parsian and or Romans?? if we consider the first power of the Jew was at the time of the prophet Soliman, what was the criteria of their second power, after Nebuchdanezzar??
3- the arabic word "Nafeera, نفيراً" don't leterally means "manpower" as Abdullah Yousef mentioed, it means "the voice of the horn " which gives the indication of "military and power in war" , also it gives the indication of " high voice of MEDIA"...........

any way and away of the exact interpretations of the first power and the second power of the Jew, Allah didn't exclude any other similar cases in raising their power and their mischeif in the land and then they will be defeted by a god's servents again in the next verse....

017.008 Y: It may be that your Lord may (yet) show Mercy unto you; but if ye revert (to your sins), We shall revert (to Our punishments): And we have made Hell a prison for those who reject (all Faith).

Allah knows best

[Younes]

Wa 'alaikumu as-salamu wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

I believe it is best to check what the classical scholars who came a lot before the modern ones had to say on the issue. For example, this is what Ibn Kathir (rah) says:

http://www.qtafsir.c...=2853&Itemid=72

No, Nebuchdanezzar and his soldiers were not "righteous servants" but they are slaves of Allah like everybody else. Nebuchdanezzar did not enter the Masjid two times. He entered it one time. The second time was by the Romans. Nebuchdanezzar destroyed the Temple. Then it was rebuilt. Then it was destroyed again by the Romans.

If you look at the verse, it speaks in the past tense.

If you take this to be a prophecy regarding media, then there are uncomfortable things that must be addressed. Where is the Masjid in question? Who entered it the first time? Who entered the second time and destroyed it?

The Jews never regained the power the had during the period of David, Solomon (pbut) and the other kings. However, they gained a lot of power compared to when they were first defeated by Nebuchdanezzar and were humiliated and taken into captivity.

[AHMAD_73]

Wa 'alaikumu as-salamu wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

I believe it is best to check what the classical scholars who came a lot before the modern ones had to say on the issue. For example, this is what Ibn Kathir (rah) says:

http://www.qtafsir.c...=2853&Itemid=72

assalamo alykom, brother
i agree that the classical scolars have advantages in their relative nearness (Ibn Katheer was 700 years later) to the prophet and companions' times and the main spirit of Islam, the Arabic language and structure while on the other hand the new scholars have a better knowlage in scientific and historical issues.

No, Nebuchdanezzar and his soldiers were not "righteous servants" but they are slaves of Allah like everybody else.

as i know, the word " عباد, servent" is the honorable word of a "عبيد slaves" and it is the same word Allah chose to describe the prophet (saw), in the first verse of the surah, " عبدنا our servent "...

Nebuchdanezzar did not enter the Masjid two times. He entered it one time. The second time was by the Romans. Nebuchdanezzar destroyed the Temple.

then Nebuchdanezzar didn't entered the Masjid as he did first time??

If you look at the verse, it speaks in the past tense.

many times Allah talks about the future in past tense to show assurance of its occerance.

If you take this to be a prophecy regarding media, then there are uncomfortable things that must be addressed. Where is the Masjid in question?

Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa

Who entered it the first time?

i'm not very sure

Who entered the second time and destroyed it?

i believe they will be the next generations of the muslems, and they will not destroy it but they will destroy the high buldings of the Jews, the buildings that show up their arrogance and advancements.

The Jews never regained the power the had during the period of David, Solomon (pbut) and the other kings. However, they gained a lot of power compared to when they were first defeated by Nebuchdanezzar and were humiliated and taken into captivity.

it's still indicates the first time. from the time of Soliman (Saw) tell the first invassion of Nebuchdanezzar.

what do you think about that

any way and away of the exact interpretations of the first power and the second power of the Jew, Allah didn't exclude any other similar cases in raising their power and their mischeif in the land and then they will be defeted by a god's servents again in the next verse....
017.008 Y: It may be that your Lord may (yet) show Mercy unto you; but if ye revert (to your sins), We shall revert (to Our punishments): And we have made Hell a prison for those who reject (all Faith)

[Younes]

as i know, the word " عباد, servent" is the honorable word of a "عبيد slaves" and it is the same word Allah chose to describe the prophet (saw), in the first verse of the surah, " عبدنا our servent "...

Wa 'alaikumu as-salamu wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

The word 'Abd is sometimes used in a positive manner but it is also used in neutral manner. When it talks about the Prophet (pbuh), it is obviously honorable. It depends on the context.

then Nebuchdanezzar didn't entered the Masjid as he did first time??

No, the second destruction of Bait al-Maqdis, the Temple, was by the Romans. The first was by Nebuchdanezzar.

many times Allah talks about the future in past tense to show assurance of its occerance.

That's true. But in this case it is evident that events have already happened, if you read the verses within context, as did most of the classical scholars like Ibn Kathir (rah).

Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa

I hope you don't mean the Masjid that has been built by Muslims. Of what concern would that be to a Jew? They don't pray in the Masjid that is known as Masjid al-Aqsa today. They never have. It does not have importance to them. They used to pray in the Bait al-Maqdis, the Jewish Temple, though and it is very important to them. They still visit what little remains of the Temple.

i'm not very sure

Well if you are not sure who entered the Masjid the first time, how can you be sure that "nafira" means "media"?

i believe they will be the next generations of the muslems, and they will not destroy it but they will destroy the high buldings of the Jews, the buildings that show up their arrogance and advancements.

The Jews don't have a Masjid there anymore. Bait al-Maqdis, the Temple, has been destroyed for a long time now. There is no Masjid to enter.

what do you think about that

Do you mean the last verse? It means that if the Jews return to mischief, Allah will punish them again as He had punished them the two times.

[Younes]

"then Nebuchdanezzar didn't entered the Masjid as he did first time??"

As-salamu 'alaikum

Actually Nebuchdanezzar did enter the Masjid twice. During the first time, he just looted the place, i.e. stole everything worth stealing, and the second time he destroyed to the ground.

Actually the Masjid of the Jews was entered by their enemies many times.

There is a hadith from the Prophet (pbuh) in Tafsir al-Qurtubi (rah) which explains that the verses in the same as I did. I took this information from Maariful Qur'an. You can download it from here: http://www.islamibayanaat.com/EMQ.htm

It is volume 5, pages 414-472. That's the specific pdf-file.

And Allah knows best.

[Younes]

As-salamu 'alaikumu wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

As a side, Maariful Quran points out that the enemies who overwhelmed the Jews were not called, 'Ibadana, i.e. Our servants. They were rather called called 'Ibadan lana, i.e. servants belonging to Us. The Tafsir (exegesis) explains that this is because they are Allah's servants, like everybody else, but they were not accepted servants like the Prophet (pbuh).

[aknative]

Wa 'alaikumu as-salamu wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

The word 'Abd is sometimes used in a positive manner but it is also used in neutral manner. When it talks about the Prophet (pbuh), it is obviously honorable. It depends on the context.



No, the second destruction of Bait al-Maqdis, the Temple, was by the Romans. The first was by Nebuchdanezzar.




That's true. But in this case it is evident that events have already happened, if you read the verses within context, as did most of the classical scholars like Ibn Kathir (rah).




I hope you don't mean the Masjid that has been built by Muslims. Of what concern would that be to a Jew? They don't pray in the Masjid that is known as Masjid al-Aqsa today. They never have. It does not have importance to them. They used to pray in the Bait al-Maqdis, the Jewish Temple, though and it is very important to them. They still visit what little remains of the Temple.




Well if you are not sure who entered the Masjid the first time, how can you be sure that "nafira" means "media"?




The Jews don't have a Masjid there anymore. Bait al-Maqdis, the Temple, has been destroyed for a long time now. There is no Masjid to enter.



Do you mean the last verse? It means that if the Jews return to mischief, Allah will punish them again as He had punished them the two times.

when you say that "new muslims" will destroy the high buildings that the jews built in their arrogance. could that possibly mean any building that advanced media propagates in that was built by jews or is it specific to the one structure?

[Younes]

when you say that "new muslims" will destroy the high buildings that the jews built in their arrogance. could that possibly mean any building that advanced media propagates in that was built by jews or is it specific to the one structure?

You quoted the wrong person. I don't believe new Muslims will destroy buildings. I don't think Muslims are related to that verse.

[aknative]

You quoted the wrong person. I don't believe new Muslims will destroy buildings. I don't think Muslims are related to that verse.

sorry, i was referring to the next generation of muslems, and they will not destroy it but will destroy the high buildings of the jews, the buildings that show up their arrogance and advancements. that particular statement resinated with me. i'm in construction so i know lots of things about lots of communication buildings. so it spoke to me. Not that i would destroy a building! but there must be sometype of political way to stop mass media from diluting the truth. i think educating ones self and fact checking politians is one way to combat misleading statements.

[aknative]

it was intended for ahmad_73. again, i apoligize.