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[silentthunder]

I have read that israel is for the Jews in Holy Books, and if it is to be so, let it be so, the violence, nonetheless needs to stop. I don't just mean on one end, I mean on both, although, look in google, do a search for Palestinian children killed, you will see countless photos, do another search for israeli children killed, you will see photos, but look closer, you won't see as many and you will see under many photos, Palestinian children killed by israelis. I do not think that Jews are bad, nor do I think that the average citizen living in israel wants to hurt/kill/rape/torture etc. etc. I do however believe that there are those in top ranking positions who do believe that genocide is necessary to get rid of the "evil" that is Palestinians.

I can say, that israel, did not belong to the Jews the whole time and that after the World War, it was given to them. Some say they have every right to take it, I say, okay, but to the Americans who say they have every right to go in there and take it, will you give your lands to the Native Americans because it was theirs first? So there isn't a Holy Book that says it was rightfully theirs but we all know the story and we know this land was stolen from them so it goes to reason that we should give it back because stealing and taking things is against all the religions I've read about so far.

You see, hatred breeds more hatred, I do not hate anyone, I do however dislike what is being done in Palestine and in israel and I say, they both find other places to live until they can each act like God's people. Separate the masses to make for a more peaceful existence, yeah, I say that is a lot better than having them be there together killing one another.

Murder is not acceptable, I don't think any religion says it is. Also, the US stands by israel because as my husband says, they are the greatest ally we have over there amongst the Arab nations, it makes things easier for us, we burned our bridges with a lot of countries but israel remains faithful to us and our money and support goes to them and it does help aid in their genocide. I would not deny the Holocaust, but I do not see how anyone can deny another genocide before our eyes, then again, most people have long forgotten about Darfur and that genocide continues to this day, even with press releases about Bush in his days in office having an oil deal with the Sudan despite the fact that he knew there was a genocide going on.

The world is an ugly place we should not overlook things because big governments back up wrongdoings of others. We should all just pray and try our best to reinforce peace. To reinforce and to love and to not let anger and hatred into our own hearts. When we become so consumed with the plight of others that it stirs up our blood and makes us so angry that we could kill, we know right there, that is how it all starts, that is what needs to be put aside, we need to start loving and stop hating and start looking for ways to help one another and to stop the killing, to end the misery and to not condone murderers of any religion.

May God grant peace and forgiveness to all and may His light shine down and guide the footsteps of rulers to come so that we might have a better future.

[Teckni]

I like the strictness to these rules, especially since I'm Palestinian.

[aknative]

well...there is much to say on this subject. As a person who knows first hand what it means to have his fahers lands taken from him, I can, without a doubt, say that Palistinians deserve to be treated with respect. They deserve the right to defend themselves and to fight for their rights. If God has given the land to the Jews then who are we to dissagree. But, in know uncertain terms does that mean that the Jews can just take over their neighbors lands. i mean, why are they not trying to take on other bordering countries? why does the world just sit back and watch as the jews build new homes on land that is not theirs? As a native american (red indian) I only see the pain that my ancestors must have endured. how can younot support the palisistian people. they are losng a battle for their homes! would you not do the same if someone was taking your home? i believe there needsto be a border. and eachside needs to respect the other. most importantly, the jews need to pay the palistians for their disgressions and leave the lands that are clearly not theirs!

[aknative]

i also believe that Islamic nations around the world need to put more effort into making america and its allies change how they treat muslim countries. withall the political capitol Islamic countries have, i just cant believe that they cant pull together and do something about an out of control jewish state that is intent on attacking an Islamic country. and i'mnot talki about palistine this time, i am talking about Iran. america can not afford anothr war,its economy is suffering with the 1.2 trillion dollar war it has already. if it ha to defend isreal then it could men econimical dissaster for the US. so, i feel that all Islamc nations need to stand together and put the jews in their place. muslims should force the americans to make a choice in who their real allies are.america needs to stop protecting thereal bully on te block.

[A-H]

I was on CNN the other day trying to make a point (crowd control). It so happened that my argument involved the term "zionism." It was flagged for moderation and was removed. Zionism is their dirty little secret. Some guy got away with it by spelling it "zlonism." Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil...

[IAmZamzam]

Looking at the OP I noticed that it contains this:

 

If you think that those who are firm against zionists are racist, you're a Zionist

 

There may be something to that but I would like to add a clarifying point, and I speak here as someone who is firm against Zionism. We mustn’t assume that just because someone calls an anti-Zionist racist, that means that they qualify. I myself just got finished talking along these lines elsewhere. It happens a lot. I have been noticing recently that very, very often “western” and “Zionist” are just code words, euphemisms, that bigots hide behind so that they don’t have to face the fact that what they really mean is that they hate Americans and Jews. They’re in denial. It’s so obvious. It is anything but rare for those who are firm against Zionists to be racist. And once again I am saying this as somebody who believes for at least three or four different reasons that Zionism is the pits--but I don’t hate it nearly as much as I hate racism.

 

I also must disagree with this statement here:

 

If you believe that zionism is the greatest threat to the future of the US, and humanity itself, you're not a zionist.

 

I have three words for you: THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT. (Yes, many of them support Israel too but anyone who lives here knows that this is just about the very least threatening thing about them. And generally very low on their list of priorities as well.)

Edited by IAmZamzam, 22 April 2013 - 02:01 AM.

[Aligarr]

Such a confused world ......full of " IFs " and " BUTs " .    No wonder it's such a mess .