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  1. Many thanks for directing me to a comprehensive explanation . I am quite certain my friend will have further questions, and I will surely post them here. He also quoted the following verses both constructive & destructive, as they pertain to people's attitude to others, and argues that the Quran gives mixed messages.
  2. treatment of women

    Ditto! Totally agree. It would seem, from reading majority of the comments in this topic, that it is easier to be defensive than to see the real message of what is being said. If there can be so much obfuscation about a single topic, it is not surprising that the Quran is interpreted in so many different ways (not always the right way, either!). Consider the following post: "Of course a man is not allowed to beat his wife at any time he wants but there's an exception, where Allah has allowed the husband to beat his wife, and that is after he gives her two warnings to stop showing ill-conduct and disloyalty." And a response from another posting: "Now this statement gives people wrong impressions Muezza. Allow me to define it further. A husband can use a feather or its equivalent to hit his wife. No husband/father can hit to inflict physical harm. That's the golden rule." Two different interpretations of the quran (I think chapter 4, verse 34). The first being the one that is widely interpreted, which also happens to be the more destructive. And when read, literally, the word "beat" connotes permissive violence for disbobedient wives. I urge you to look up the word beat in the dictionary to see it's various meanings.
  3. Islam in Australia (G'Day mates)

    Halo. I'm from Melbourne. It's been raining here heaps too *sigh* We're planning to head up to Sydney for Eid and endulge on Krispy Kremes! *heh* Where you at in Sydney? We're only there for 3 days but if anyone is free-ish, it'd be good to catch up.
  4. Assalamualaikum. I converted to Islam just over two years ago and since then, I have tried to learn more about Islam. A friend and colleague of mine continues to ask me questions about my beliefs as a muslim and quite often I find I can't sufficiently answer his questions if I can answer them at all. I hope to use this forum not only to be able to answer his questions but for me to learn and strengthen my faith in Islam. I will start then with Islam's take on maturity, morality and emotional intelligence. My friend posed the question: "How do you reconcile widely recognised attributes of maturity, morality, emotional intelligence and the sort of behaviour they produce in individuals towards other people and groups towards other groups with the sort of character/attitude the koran seems to encourage where non believers are barely tolerated at best and at worst is a lot more destructive?" He then refers to the following verses in the Quran as extreme examples of destructive behaviour. And kill them wherever ye shall find them, and eject them from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels. and... And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way, for God is Gracious, Merciful. Insyaallah, I will learn and be able to respond to such questions with more confidence in time, meanwhile I hope that the readers of this forum will help clarify a few things for me. Wassalam.