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  1. I honest to god feel like i'm in the twilight zone, for this type of injustice to be going on in this day and age and absolutely nothing being done about it is mind boggeling.How can this even be happening Subhanallah 550 people in 10 days, and the sad things is that the people of gaza have no way to escape their caged in. What a sad state the Muslim World is in. Inshallah israel will get what's coming to it. This is crazy. salaam
  2. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    If people were going to the places Al-Shabab destroyed for the sake of asking blessings from the dead scholars and performing prayers to the dead, are their actions Shirk? Before you say that they weren't, let's make this a purely hypothetical question. yes they are I would also take this moment to mention again that discussions of sects is not allowed on Gawaher. Let's focus on the deeds and actions of the people rather than speaking on sectarian issues. i know the discussion of sects is not allowed, i'm actually surprised the mods have'nt intervened :sl: . secretarian issues are petty and what muslims need is unity and i think i've stated that before, but what is going in somalia is secretarian. i do not support al shabaab's actions but i have never said anything that was disrespectful to the doctrine they follow and i have supported the Islamic courts who also follow the same doctrine as al shabaab, because they were worthy of support. salaam
  3. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    brother i do not deny that there are sufi's who take things to the extreme, but than again you'll find misguided people in almost every group my mothers side of the family practices sufism, one of the main sheiks sufi's look up to is sheik abdulqadir jailani, i asked my mother do you ask things of the dead ulama she said no, you can only ask things of God but we do pray to Allah that he makes us like the ulama of the past such as the sheik i mentioned. you cannot generalize. sufism is not even considered a sect of it's own by many people due to the fact that you'll find people from almost every sect in Islam who practice it, from sunni's to shiites etc. and i'm pretty sure it varies depending on the group of people who practice it. look at the sufi's of iraq with the long hair, our the sufi's of chechnya or the shiites that practice sufism, their not all the same. the al-shabaab randomly attacked the sufi's of somalia, killed some of their followers and destroyed the graves of some of their ulama. that is wrong.dialogue is needed. everybody thinks what they believe in or their version of Islam is right, muslims today are far too divided to be going around attacking one another. as long as they believe in the basic fundamentals of Islam(the 5 pillars of Islam, the 6-7 pillars of iman), than they are muslim. they have angered fellow muslims whom they should of allied themselves with and made enemies of them. now their fighting muslims, the ethiopians and the gov't and even the Islamic courts have distanced themselves from them. way to go. as to the prophet being buried in aisha's home, was'nt he buried nonethless in a built structure? can the sufi's not use that as basis for the reason they bury certain people in enclosed structures?(just questions, i'm not sure about it) either way i'm not sure why sufi's create to "tomb like" structures for certain people but the sufi's i know do not worship human's neither do they worship tombs and they do not deserve to be called mushrikun salaam
  4. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    Called who mushriks? Grave/shrine worshippers? and who are the "Grave/shrine worshippers"? And then there's this latest false Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama'a in Galinsoor. all muslims should be Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama'a if we look at it theoritically, but there is group in somalia that are known specifically as the Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama'a and they are sufi. Galinsoor is a town controlled and populated by Habargidir. Tribalism has every part in this, because it was because of tribal reasons that the elders of Galinsoor rejected Al Shabab. and this has do with what i said how? how did galinsoor come into this arguement?, i was referring to the fighting going in galgaduud at this point in time. tribalism has absolutely nothing to with it. the intolerance of al- shabaab and their ideology of your either with us or with the infidels is the problem. and why are you changing the subject, you know perfectly well which Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama'a group i speak of due to the fact that the graves destroyed were sufi graves and the reason the latest fighting had occured is due to the desecration of these graves. how did habargidir and galinsoor come into this at all. You know what part I missed? I missed the part of seeing you blame anyone but Al-Shabab. Your words are heavily drenched with venom directed at Al-Shabab, the second group to ever succeed at enforcing Islam on the people. This other group you applaud oh-so-much is threatening to take back other territories from Al-Shabab (which means it's not just about defending oneself), where is your outcry against that? Or is Al-Shabab fair game? umm well seeing as alshabbab is causing most of the unrest in somalia right now they are to blame. who should i blame? ethiopia? the ethiopians are opportunists they saw a weakened somalia and took adavantage of it. somalia and ethiopia are ancient enemies what else is new? and nobody has defended the ethiopians and nobody has defended the the government. as to the other group threatening to "take-back" territories, would'nt that imply that they were taken in the first place? And there you have it. The biggest indication of your favoritism and bias is in the fact that you would use ugly words like "running off with their tail between their legs" to attribute to people fighting for the sake of Allah. Incredible. That's if you believe they are fighting for the sake of Allah, which i do not. favouritism? lol sis i never claimed to like alshabaab in fact i've shown my views on them on most of the topics posted on them lately. i think their ignorant and misguided people that use Islam to justify their actions, they're no better than the ethiopians or the TFG. matter of fact their worse because they use Islam to justify their ignorance, intolerance and their indiscriminate killing of the somali people. also sister again where is your proof that the graves destroyed were being worshipped? is it not biased for you to just assume that the graves were being worshipped. is not wrong for you to call other muslims mushrik's because of a video you just saw showing a grave being destroyed. are you not taking sides too salaam
  5. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    You seriously believe what Reuters writes? I hope you look to more news sources than they. If you have any respect for the Islamic Courts, you should be spitting at their name. not necessarily but they did get the jist of what's going on. (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yethiiraan(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yethiiraan(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/[/url] (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetshabelle(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetshabelle(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/[/url] click on the radio parts and you will get live radio broadcasts that are in somali When you say "Ahlul Sunna Wal Jama'a", you mean Habargidir, don't you? My, they picked a lovely name for their little group especially since they follow the sect we discussed above. your very fond of making accusations aren't you? "Ahlul Sunna Wal Jama'a",are from every tribe in somalia, my mom's people follow this group and they are Dir- laxmar live in xeraale lol. and this group has been around for as long as somalia has been somalia. surprised you've never heard of them.Habargidir? don't bring qabyaaled into this please. This man is calling Al-Shabab kuffar. and al-shabaab called them mushriks. which is worse? Yes, he sounds really innocent to me. Also, these men fought back against Al-Shabab. If Al-Shabab is guilty of killing Muslims, so is this group. But then again, I guess Al-Shabab isn't Muslim, right? According to this guy: "We shall continue our war until we eliminate al Shabaab, they are not Muslims ... Gurael is under our control and soon all central regions will follow suit," Sheikh Abdullahi Sheikh Abu Yusuf told Reuters by telephone. i never claimed the any group in somalia was innocent, but in this case this group was in the right. they did not attack anybody they were attacked and had no choice but to defend themselves, did you miss that part? because of al shabaab's ambitions of ruling somalia and the world they attacked this group and now their running off with their tails between their legs sad maybe now they'll talk unity. inshallah i will reply to your other post later salaam
  6. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    Fighting between rival Somalia Islamists kills 12 27 Dec 2008 17:42:25 GMT Source: Reuters (Adds name of Islamist group, quotes, byline) By Abdi Sheikh MOGADISHU, Dec 27 (Reuters) - Twelve people were killed on Saturday when an Islamist group seized control of a central Somali town in a battle with hardline al Shabaab militants, residents said. Al Shabaab, which means youth in Arabic, captured Gurael, 370 km (230 miles) north of the capital Mogadishu on Dec. 6, after three days of fighting with a government-allied moderate Sunni Islamist group in the area. Locals said the Sunni Islamist group ousted by al Shabaab three weeks ago known as "Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca" had been regrouping and launched their attack on Saturday morning. "I have counted 12 dead fighters lying in the alleys of Gurael," witness Ali Aden told Reuters. "Some of them were injured by a mortar that landed in the hospital. Others were hit by stray bullets," he added. Al Shabaab, which is on Washington's list of foreign terrorist groups, and other more moderate rebel Islamist groups control all of the south and centre of Somalia except Mogadishu and Baidoa, the seat of parliament. A spokesman from Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca said the group was fighting al Shabaab because they had killed several religious leaders and had desecrated graves, which he said was against Islam. "We shall continue our war until we eliminate al Shabaab, they are not Muslims ... Gurael is under our control and soon all central regions will follow suit," Sheikh Abdullahi Sheikh Abu Yusuf told Reuters by telephone. More than 10,000 civilians have been killed during the two-year insurgency, a million people uprooted and a third of the population need emergency aid in a humanitarian crisis that has been described as one of the worst in the world. Ethiopian troops, which have been propping up the government since 2006, are due to withdraw from Somalia by the end of this month, and some diplomats and analysts fear their withdrawal will plunge Somalia further into anarchy. Somalia's President Abdullahi Yusuf is expected to resign soon, bowing to pressure from western countries and regional leaders who accuse him of obstructing peace efforts aimed at including opposition groups in the country's government. Analysts say Islamists must be included in peace talks with the government to ensure lasting peace in the chaotic country which has been without a central government for 17 years. (Writing by Wangui Kanina; Editing by Giles Elgood (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetnytimes(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/2008/12/29/world/africa/29somalia.html?ref=africa"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetnytimes(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/2008/12/29/world/af...html?ref=africa[/url] (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetalertnet(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/thenews/newsdesk/LR216791.htm"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetalertnet(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/thenews/newsdesk/LR216791.htm[/url]
  7. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    Firstly, building shrines on grave sights is an innovation on Islam, and as prophet Muhammad said: "Whosoever introduces into this affair of ours (i.e. into Islam) something that does not belong to it, it is to be rejectedLet's get that one clear. again sister who said they were shrines? second many things we do today maybe considered bid'ah, many things we do today were not done during the prophet's time. Secondly, Shirk is not only asking dead people for help. It is the supplications toward the dead, even in the manner of praising them, that can be Shirk. It is the reverance and love felt for anything and anyone, to the extent that one feels more attachment to it than Allah and His messenger. what your point? what proof do you have to claim that these people were supplicating toward the dead, how do you know that they feel more attachment to these people than they do to Allah and the prophet? how do you know their intentions?, again do not make baseless accusations and slander people. And thirdly, it's rather sad of you to continue implying that everyone is out to get sufi people. Islam is not built on sects, and any sect that deviates from the path of prophet Muhammad reserves no rights. Period. where did i imply that everybody was out to get sufi people? are they out to get sufi people? Islam was not built on sects but sadly muslims are whether we like it or not. even the prophet mentioned that we as muslims would divide into 73 different sects. and whose to say who deviates from the path of the prophet. we as sunni's have 4 different madhabs each one of these sheiks interpreted the same things from the same sources differently, yet we believe each on of them was right. so who deviated? which one of them was wrong? who do we follow? There is absolutely no reason that anyone should build a shrine over a grave. And there is no reason that anyone should visit a grave except to get closer to Allah by being reminded of death and the hereafter. one of the reasons we visit graves is to be reminded of death, but in the seerah there are stories of the prophet visiting graves giving salaam to the inhabitants and praying for them I'm Somali, but first and foremost, I'm Muslim. And I reject any excuses brought forth for anyone who builds holy sites over graveyards. You mention prophet Muhammad's grave? People go there every year and worship it. Astagfirullah. whose implying things right now, where did i say people go to the prophets grave and worship don't put words in my mouth, i was just pointing out there is something built over the prophets grave, is it a shrine. Comparing Shirk with Shirk is VERY appropriate. Just because someone wears the tag of Islam on their sleeve gives them no right to do unIslamic things. like the people you support do? the same ones who are killing muslims at this very moment in galgaduud. Dig up their graves and scatter their bones? Is that what they were doing in the video? Or were they destroying the shrines? i was not only speaking of the video, they are at this very moment fighting with the ahlul sunnah wa jamaca in somalia, and yes they are digging up graves that they believe are shrines and scattering the bones.
  8. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    first of sister you should'nt be so hasty in supporting something, sufi's do not see these graves as shrines, i have never heard any sufi ask a dead saint for help nor have i seen any of them worship graves and i know a great many sufi's. shirk is a serious crime in Islam and falsely accusing other muslims of commiting shirk is also a very grave crime too. where are the statues they worship? is visiting the dead and praying for them a crime in Islam? who told you these graves were shrines? alshabaab? is the prophets grave a shrine? comparing the actions of the people of the prophet ibrahim who tried to kill him and the actions of the people of makkah who were idol worshippers, practiced infanticide, incest and god knows what else to muslim people who say the shahada, who pray their five daily prayers, and who pay their zakat and fast in ramadan etc.,is way out of line. did the prophet not say there would 73 different groups on the last day, it all comes down to interpretation and people will interpret things differently, and if you feel their wrong and ignorant than you need dialogue attacking them and descrating their graves will gain nothing except cause more enmity. why are the alshabaab at this very moment killing other muslims in galgaduud. is this halaal? is it halal to dig up the graves of the dead and scatter their bones? salaam
  9. Scores Die In Israeli Air Strikes:*updated* 350+ Dead

    first they starve them to death and now their bombing them may Allah give the people of gaza strength salaam
  10. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    way to make enemies out of the sufi's, not only have their actions been condemned by sufi's but by other salafi's as well and by most somalis at home and the diaspora. sufi's have their reasons for what they do and why they do it and it is best if al shabaab left them alone. you cannot force your beliefs on other muslims, we are all too different and killing fellow muslims and descrating their graves at this time is wrong. i'm seriously starting to dislike this group more and more everyday salaam
  11. Bush Dodges A Shoe

    lol i was hoping at least one of the shoes would hit him, the old man has fast reflexes. salaam
  12. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    all muslim lands our important and any injustice that happens anywhere in the ummah affects all muslims. but i am somali this doesn't take away from the fact that i am also a muslim but this topic is about somalia. this may come across as divisive but only somalis truly understand what's going on in somalia, the situation in somalia is complicated it's not as simple as the links both the muslims and non muslims on this site post all the time because they see an opportunity to debase each other, somalia's problems go deeper than al shabaab, pirates and the gov't and both muslims and non-muslims on this board are taking sides based on their own predjudices against each other, selfish on both sides. so excuse the "our" i'm just trying to prove a point. salaam
  13. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    no i'm not making excuses the main reason this type of piracy happened was because somali fisherman were fed up with foreigners polluting our waters, causing incurable diseases and stealing our resources. for all the harm that these countries have done they should be made to pay up. plain and simple. now these pirates may not 100% right and i don't doubt their doing it for money but this whole piracy business started off because of illegal dumping. as for the international community doing anything, don't hold your breath it's not going to happen. (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetdigitaljournal(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/article/261147"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetdigitaljournal(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/article/261147[/url]
  14. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    umm yes actually when you call yourself somalikid your implying that your a somalikid which is a little misleading when replying to a topic about somalia. it does'nt make sense for you to call yourself something your not especially a nationality, but i guess you can call yourself what you want this is the net..either way that's not what i meant, you remind me of someone that used to be on this site and got repeatedly banned but continued to come back, and i have'nt been on this site for a long time but if that's you, you have way too much time on your hands. also in regards to these pirates, whether these ships are 200 miles or 500 miles away from our coast is not the main issue, these countries do carry out illegal dumping on our coasts and steal our resources, not to mention the dumping that they do infects our waters which infects our fish which in turn effects our people. also most of the time they do come into our waters and since somalia does not have a functioning government they think they can do whatever they want.
  15. Al Shabab In Hunt Of Pirates.... Bbc

    and somalikid your not somali, where are the mods on this site. why does this person keep on coming back honestly?