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  1. Koran:evolution,astronomy,aliens,gog & Magog,noah!

    Just a hint: Area missing is . c o m ..................
  2. Earth And Heavens Created Both On Different 6 Days!

    In Koran Allah says that He created heavens and earth each in 6 PERIODS OF TIME (6 "days" can be even seen as false translation, it speaks about unknown periods of time which is commonly seen as days), with a difference compared to Bible that "all that is between" and "no weariness", He did not sleep/relax. "Day" could be understood as "God time", before sun or planets. Relativity of time (according to A.Einsteins theory of relativity) can be seen in Koran at least in 32:5, 22:47, 70:4, 17:52, 10:45 and 23:112-114, in some circumstances/situations one of our days is described to be (for us with Allah) like for example "1000/50 000 years", one place where it is told to be like this (that time is relatively and for us might feel that we were on earth "day or part of of a day", 23:112-113) is the end of all, Judgment. For example big gravity slows down time beyond our understanding, people on the planet near black hole might seem for us not moving at all, but they live normal time. One miracle of Koran proving it is not from man is that Allah does not say that sun will set to west and rise from east, as it does not do so in north at summer, it sets and rises more closer to north than west/east. He only says that He is lord of (two) east and west. Only Abraham is said to have spoken in argument (2:258) that "But it is Allah that caused the sun to rise from the east: Do thou then cause him to rise from the West.", which might prove that prophets are not all-knowing, which is proven by two different statements by Allah and Moses in 55:17 and 26:28, as Moses spoke only about one east and west, and Allah about two of both (think about earth divided by lines on both sides, both line has own west/east). This was from my book in www.angelfire/moon2/koran/ or www.angelfire. c o m/moon2/quran/
  3. Earth And Heavens Created Both On Different 6 Days!

    Think that in these "AND" word will split the sentence, like dot (as in arabics there is no dots, so we can not know if there should be), and you see that both earth and heavens, and all between them (=heavens), each had their own six days of creation: 50:38 "We created the heavens and the earth -----------------and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us." 57:4 "He it is Who created the heavens -----------------------------and the earth in Six Days, and is moreover firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah sees well all that ye do." 32:4 "It is Allah Who has created the heavens -------------------------and the earth, and all between them, in six Days, and is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority): ye have none, besides Him, to protect or intercede (for you): will ye not then receive admonition?" 10:3 "Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens ----------------------and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority), regulating and governing all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave (hath been obtained). This is Allah your Lord; Him therefore serve ye: will ye not receive admonition?" 25:59 "He Who created the heavens and the earth -----------------------------and all that is between, in six days, and is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority): Allah Most Gracious: ask thou, then, about Him of any acquainted (with such things)." 11:7 "He it is Who created the heavens ---------------------------------and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death", the Unbelievers would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!" 7:54 "Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens -----------------------------------and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!" In Koran Allah This was from my book in www.angelfire/moon2/koran/ or www.angelfire . c o m /moon2/quran/
  4. Earth And Heavens Created Both On Different 6 Days!

    Above here is spoken about six different "day" of creation (of earth) than in these two "days" below. So here is about creation of heavens (in these verses about our galaxy and sun-system, happening partly same time with formation of earth, “moreoverâ€): 41:11-12 "Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) SMOKE (/hot gas, "Dukhaan"): He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye TOGETHER, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience." So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge." These two "days" (periods) above are different from ayats 9-10, obviously last two "days" in ayat 11. ("smoke"= 5.formation of our milky way-galaxy, "come ye together"= 6.birth of our sun system from our galaxy). "To it and to earth" may also mean both separately or both coming together, or then both, as in heavens/earth (in pieces of meteors) forming from gas "smoke"), an then in meteor-bombing of earth. As we know, star fogs forming galaxies especially in the early stages of universe (more recently our own galaxy and its star-system of sun, which both "sky" could be here) have been plenty of looking like smoke filling the space before higher amount of stars and planets, and look like smoke even now (in more younger systems). "Dukhaan" (in Arabic) in Koran means smoke/HOT gas. These "circles of clouds" formed for example planets, so "sky" did come "together" WITH ITSELF. Matter of Earth has been born from stardust before our star developed, and so it is originated from explosions of earlier stars and their "smoke/gas", also more harder rocks and dust were brought "together" to form the earth, formed from gas ("smoke") coming together. Moon of earth were born from collision of Earth and planet size of Mars, so "sky" (our galaxy and star-system) and Earth BOTH coming together most likely means that (and bombardment of asteroids). If Bedouin back then realized that earth and sky have same origin, it is BIG miracle itself. Later Earth came "together" ALSO WITH ITSELF when it cooled down and were divided into different layers, and when continents formed super-continents. This was from my book in www.angelfire/moon2/koran/ or www.angelfire/moon2/quran/
  5. Adam From "water"/"ground"/"semen" = Evolution?

    37:11 "Just ask their opinion: are they the more difficult to create, or the (other) beings We have created? Them have We created out of a sticky clay!" You still think it is INSULT (what, FROM Allah????) if we would have been created from simps? This ayat shows that we really are basically normal animals, we even share 98% of our genes with chimpanzees. So if simps were easy to create, so are we. Mankind were not created for anything else but for worshipping Allah as VICEGRANTS into Earth according to Quran.
  6. Adam From "water"/"ground"/"semen" = Evolution?

    Again, here is described beginning of humankind, from human-like species (right before certain border that produced Adam) and from humans. These human-like were still relatives of us, "among yourselves", so even both Adam and Hawwa could have come from them (or then Hawwa from Adam, or perhaps even from Adam and mother from these earlier species, in that case obviously before body of Adam received its spirit from paradise). Again no denying that "single soul" could not be earlier human or that Hawwa could not be even offspring of Adam as I explained above. You are repeating yourself. This I have answered twice now, look above. Aleikum salaam.
  7. Adam From "water"/"ground"/"semen" = Evolution?

    I fear Allah, that is why I seek answers, for example to help myself and other muslims. In fact ALL interpretations from Quran can be categorised into "misinterpretations" or "personal ideas" as you did, as all interpretations are from humans, not from Allah (if you do not believe that Allah is One that gives birth for our interpretations as our Creator). Then we would have Quran that is not allowed to interpretate at all, and were would we be then? All kind of christians and such would be all over us claiming that Quran has contradictions and errors, as we would have no way to explain these parts from them. We could not even explain how creation happened, was water/clay/semen put together to form Adam or was Adam created from each separately. Then welcome to club. Allah created human, and caused all actions in evolution to take place so that it will happen. Is that not work of His "hands"? DO NOT take "hands" too literally, is it not made very clear He is nothing like humans, unless you believe also that your "heart" is more than organ for mission it does, and not just symbol for human spirit/soul/innerself in Quran! And by attacking evolution you might refuse to admit HIS CREATION! Again, nothing against evolution as I have explained earlier. Adam was created from sperm, that was created from food coming from ground of the earth, until his body were ready to accept spirit of Adam from paradise (as Allah knew it would happen even before creation of Adam into paradise). Surely, little thanks you give about it (evolution)! (answering continued below)
  8. Adam From "water"/"ground"/"semen" = Evolution?

    Wa aleikum salaam rahmatullah. No it DOES NOT ignore anything. According to DNA-tested people all over the world, all humans have common ancestors, same father (Adam) and mother (Hawwa) about 200 000 years back in time. So much we do know, and so IT IS theory of evolution too (remember that science does NOT take sides is there God or not, it just searches for His "fingerprints"). In fact creation from sperm-drop can mean only Adam ("created" ALWAYS in past time-form in Quran), as in future might be that there are some cloned people who are not created from sperm but from cloned cells, allthough those are too like kind of "semen" (this single "man" Adam was created was perhaps one of previous human-LIKE species, NOT human but almost, from who´s semen Allah caused this giant leap in evolution into modern people, in 6:133 Allah said He created us from "posterity of another people"). That sperm-drop and all "building blocks" for it came for that man from food, that originates from ground (86:6-7 "from sperm drop between ribs and backbone" = STOMACH), so Quran is still with evolution here. Water is where evolution and all life began (seas/meteors). "Fashioned him" can be general description about developement in creation, but it can also describe how modern humans are much different (in appearance and in body) from earlier species. We in fact have been "shaped" from four legs to two ("shaped" as hadith stated). 38:72 says that when Allah “breathed†His spirit into Adam, notice that according to 2:34 given immediate command to bow down after that happened only after Adam was told name of things, so maybe his spirit was created in paradise before he came to body in earth, explaining how according to Bible Jesus said he was before Abraham was on earth, this "breathning spirit" can be seen as one thing making difference between modern humans and earlier humans/animals, maybe it is mostly capability to believe in Allah that was given to first modern human coming from womb of earlier human (in leap of evolution). This I explained above. He was created into paradise, but then soul of Adam and Hawwa were expulsed into bodies on Earth. (answering to be continued below)
  9. Koran:evolution,astronomy,aliens,gog & Magog,noah!

    All this and MUCH MORE (and upraged/corrected from errors) is now found from these new and more simple/beautiful pages here, these pages up there have gone "old", out of date, so please do not make mistake going there: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/[/url]
  10. Adam From "water"/"ground"/"semen" = Evolution?

    I have added into this writing later that 86:6-7 when it told us about producing semen in "between backbone and ribs", obviously meant our stomach, as without food (grown from ground, "clay", or from meat of animal that has eaten animal grown from food from ground of the earth) there will not be any sperm (there will be no growth or life neither).
  11. Please, visit on my web-site for my dawa-writing about (many NEW) proofs (that no other Muslim but me has not obviously realized yet) in science/bible/history about Islam. You can start from main page or go directly to subject that sounds most interesting: Main page: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/[/url] Introduction: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021090"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021090[/url] Astronomy, space and creation in Quran, 1 page: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021091"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021091[/url] Astronomy, space and creation in Quran, 2 page: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021092"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021092[/url] Life in space in Quran: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021101"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021101[/url] Human body, birth and developement in Quran: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021104"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021104[/url] History prooving on behalf of Islam: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021105"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021105[/url] Prophesies about Byzantium and geology in Quran: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021106"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021106[/url] Flood of Noah in Quran: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021127"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021127[/url] "Gog and Magog" in Quran and hadiths (also connected: is Alexander the great Zul-qharnain as some claim?): (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021108"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021108[/url] Prophecy in hadiths: Deserts green and Islamic manifest: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021110"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021110[/url] Jesus prophesied coming, order and time of Islam and described "People of the Book"-nations in Quran: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021115"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021115[/url] Isaiah prophesied both, Islam and christianity, and gave signs (time-table) for arrival of those: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021116"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021116[/url] Jesus warned about "apostle" Paul in his prophecy (+why Paul got christians astray?): (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021117"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021117[/url] Animals/clouds/mountains in Quran: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021111"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021111[/url] Bodies of water and mathematics in Quran: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021113"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021113[/url]
  12. Almost forgot, Jesus prophesied Islam here too. (www.)"http://www.geocities/science_in_quran/cover1"]www.geocities/science_in_quran/cover1[/url] And for some reason all links failed in previous topic, just put into first hole http and then to second com, and you will be on my site. Apologises for administration if I did not understand this correct, if it is not allowed to put your own links here eventhough I strongly got that impression from name and description of this section. Please do not let this affect into publishing my writings (about new proofs and prophesies I just found about Islam in bible by Jesus and Isaiah) in "refuting non-Muslims" section, that are waiting for aproval of administration.
  13. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    Until (late) 20th century Koran was not even translated to most European languages, and there were only few Muslims in Europe. In Asia Islam has been for thousand years everywhere (33% population Muslims), but in China and Vietnam/Laos communism and relatively small/local Muslim-populations postpone knowledge about Islam and so full judgment on "pagans", in Africa (50% Muslims) nearly only rainforest and southern areas were animistic (now Christian) where Islam had not arrived. So in fact pagans have either knew about Islam, accept it or not and be judged, or not knew about it. Christians have always KNEW ABOUT Islam as it has been their rivalry and very close to them, but they have NOT KNOWN what Islam IS ABOUT (for People of the Book this matches same as total lack of knowledge for pagan). When that time is up, and knowledge of Islam has come for everyone (like in internet), no Christian has no excuse why they did not learn about Islam, then curse of Paul has its full affect, and many are going to hell because of him. On the other hand, Jesus told about shepherd who got that one lost sheep out of hundred back to safety in desert/mountain (depends on evangelium, both describe very well dominative natural conditions in Muslim-countries), that represents those few chosen one’s from Christians who through Bible understood that Islam is right religion (like me), and possibly move to Islamic country in safety (no need anymore for that in secularism, but in middle ages definitely, if pagans had ruled in Europe/America/Africa, then not one had got alive into Muslim-world). As you see, Christians can be accepting Islam through Bible, even if they thought that it is corrupted, if given good and accurate enough explanations and descriptions. Can Muslim accept christianity from bible with ANY intellectuality and reasoning still left, without beeing completely blind? NO way... These all was from my own writing in: (www.)"http://www.angelfire/moon2/koran/"]www.angelfire/moon2/koran/[/url]
  14. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    Thing is that it is FIGURE OF SPEECH for Jews, words describing someone very important for God (even Jesus himself answered accusations about using word "son of God" that "doesn’t your writings say: ´they were gods´?"). Adam, Jacob, Saul, David, Salomon, Jesus.... and many others, enough examples? Just write "son of god" into search engine on some Bible-site and you see. Jews understood that, as according to acts of apostles Jews allowed Christians to use synagogues even though they knew how Jesus was called, as Jews themselves have had prophets who were accepted by many other Jews but not by all. Jews never would have let Christians to worship Jesus as god in synagogue, so that is proof that early Christians thought him only as prophet. In fact EVERYTHING is figure of speech, as speech has only meanings that has been given for it. That is why in Islam Allah has 99 extra-names. He just shows that He makes us to call Him as He wishes. Jesus called Allah as "Father" because he wanted to make distinction between Jewish names of God and coming of Islam, to reduce conflicts on that. But situation changed: As Paul had permission from apostles to teach pagans (Jesus himself said in Matt.15:24 that "I have not been sent but for lost sheep’s of house of israel", and in the end mission-order meant "nations" of israel, as there had been 13 of them), and had permission not to "bother" them by Torah or law, most pagan-Christians did not understand correctly "son of God"-term. After Jewish Christianity was almost totally wiped out by Romans in destruction of Jerusalem, pagan-Christians did came as dominant sect of Christianity and modern churches are based on their beliefs. Paul tried to kill ALL Christians, he had army for that, but noticed that Christians just flew to other towns ("turn other cheek") and spread their message. So he understood that only possibility is to destroy threat to Judaism from inside, spreading twisted form of faith to large areas until it overcomes rest. He even send Ananias ("new Christian" according to Bible) before him to confirm his "revelations of Jesus" to another Christians, and so got credibility among Christians. That is evil. What gives more credibility to Paul than for example to Mormon-prophet Joseph Smith, who also claimed to have seen Jesus? Of course that was will of Allah too, but there is a time-limit until full responsibility is over People of the Book (Quran 2:62, and in 65:7 “Allah puts no burden on any person beyond what He has given himâ€.), that separates them from pagans who are not judged only if they are "people without knowledge (about Islam)", and have not be introduced to Islam (as it is almost everywhere in Asia and Africa introduced, but still lack of literacy and information, like internet, is limiting knowledge about Islam there, as it has arrived so to west especially).
  15. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    JESUS WARNED ABOUT "APOSTLE" PAUL, BEAST (“WOLF IN LAMBS CLOTHINGâ€) HIMSELF! (Allah knows best) Notice how Jesus described false prophets as Paul described himself, by words (doing) “SIGNS†and “MIRACLESâ€: Matt.24:23. “At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24. For false Christ’s and false prophets will appear and perform great SIGNS and MIRACLES to deceive even the elect (disciplines) - if that were possible. 25. See, I have told you ahead of time (told YOU, disciplines, as a warning). 26. "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' (Paul’s "Jesus revelation" on road to Damascus) do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' ("Jesus-revelation" in prison) do not believe it (Mohammed did not claim to have seen Jesus in desert/house, nor say to be Messiah/Christ)….28. Wherever the corpse is (new religion), there the vultures will gather (satan strikes).†2.Corinth.12:12. “When I was with you, I certainly gave you every proof that I am truly an apostle, sent to you by God himself. For I patiently did many SIGNS and wonders and MIRACLES among you.†From Dead Sea scrolls of Qumran, it can be clearly seen that Deut.32:8 declared that Jews were not only nation to have prophets, as Christians and Jews claim, but that â€sons of God†have been given to numerous nations as Islam teaches. This is how this part went in Greek text: "When the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of (Qumran: â€sons of Godâ€) angelic beings." As in Dead Sea Scrolls, which read of the sons of God, and Greek version, which reads of the angels of god. Can word of God have so great conflict in matter so important, dividing religions? Problem really is in interpretations and understanding past times. Old Testament (Jewish) Bible is full of "sons of God" (son written with big first letter is Greek invention, as Hebrew does not have small or big letters), and so is called almost all prophets in Bible, even Adam (who had not even mother according to Bible, Koran does not deny even that he had mother/(HUMAN!)father, see beginning of astronomy/human development links and introduction). But times of persecution Matt.24:23-28 is talking about, came:
  16. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    From this following passage in New Testament (Matt.4:13-17), that many will try to use to deny my interpretations, can be clearly seen that writer has interpretated himself that Jesus so fulfilled another prophecy, and twisted prophecy by fitting it into frames of this: 13. and leaving Nazareth, He came and settled in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the region of Zebulun and Naphtali. 14. This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: 15. "THE LAND OF ZEBULUN AND THE LAND OF NAPHTALI, BY THE WAY OF THE SEA, BEYOND THE JORDAN, GALILEE OF THE GENTILES-- 16. "THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING IN DARKNESS SAW A GREAT LIGHT, AND THOSE WHO WERE SITTING IN THE LAND AND SHADOW OF DEATH, UPON THEM A LIGHT DAWNED." 17. From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." First of all, these are not words of Jesus but later added prophecy by Isaiah fitted into visit of Jesus on area fitting into prophecy (in prophecy this border area of israel is just describing areas beyond borders, lands of Arabs, not just lands of Zebulun/Naphtali exclusively, in fact Jesus were only near these areas for a LITTLE TIME). In Isaiah prophecy were in future-form, here in past-form. According to Isaiah lands of Zebulun/Naphtali were "treated with contempt", and only LATER they will be given PERMANENT light (Jesus spend there only little time, Christianity little longer, but Islam is still there), so that whole land will come from dark into shining (describing deserts, which it came permanently only by Islam). So would it not have to mean that these people on these lands did not accept Jesus and his message and so were kept in darkness, or that they started worshipping prophet as a god when they at least lost rest from their glory and were in contempt. In this case Islam was one to come to clean and purify that all. Jesus himself did not require faith for “salvation through death on cross†even in Bible, it is invention of others (mainly Paul’s), although he recognized that those events have to come pass (even as fake crucifixion) because of its importance for world and in foreshadowing Islam to bring salvation closer to (otherwise) pagans who were not mentioned to receive Islam (until some time limit on some amount, which is going on now). Jesus even stated that he will be those three days like Jonah on stomach of whale, and Jonah was ALIVE inside whale.
  17. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    Islam brought centuries of peace into Middle-East (except crusades started by Christians) and to North-Africa, and peace is also what Islam means as a word. Overall Muslims have had (against each others especially) much less wars than Christians, and those few wars have been much less bloody than in Christian countries. Also Islam gave liberty and peace for many persecuted minority Christians in Byzantium, who were not accepted by official state church (as they refused to believe into trinity or into Jesus as god for example). Of course this can also describe how sins are wiped out from those who accepts Islam (bloody clothes are burned). 6. For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. As Jesus, also Mohammed (puh) were given to us, although in case of Jesus focus is much more in his birth. Government will rest on shoulders of Mohammed, and on Him who send Mohammed and ordered him to act and to do as he did, in founding of government. This is not about Jesus, he did not found government. "Wonderful Counsellor" describes amazing Quran and numerous hadiths, over two million of them, and amount of information on those for nearly all aspects of life. "Mighty God" and "Eternal Father" describes God of Islam, Allah (not Jesus-loves-you-all-god), from Whom Mohammed (and also Jesus) preached about, and how Allah will be eternity and will not change a bit . Prince of Peace is about Allah, Islam and Mohammed together, their common affect on world and about peace they brought. (29) 7.Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this. "Kingdom that have no end in government and peace" and "reigned from David’s throne" (throne of religions of Abraham) is Islam that spread through THREE continents from Spain to China and India in under 100 years (compare to Matt.13:33 where Jesus told that "kingdom of heaven is like leaven, that woman took and hid in THREE pecks of flour, until it was all leavened"). "Justice and righteousness" is describing what Islam emphasizes very much in its doctrine. "That time and forever" is about Islam that will never change. Zeal (from Jews and Christians going astray) of Allah will accomplish this.
  18. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    HERE IS PROPHESIED MOHAMMED (puh) AND Islam: (Isa.9:1-6) Birth and Reign of the Prince of Peace 1. But there shall be no gloom to her that was in anguish. In the former time he brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time hath he made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations. "Zebulun and Naphtali" who were treated with contempt earlier is Arabia, these border areas of israel describe areas beyond borders ("on the other side of Jordan"). Arabs were so despised that Byzantium or Persia did not even want to conquer it, or to convert them to their religion. "Way of the sea" is Red Sea and Persian Gulf surrounding holy places of Muslims, (temple of even Abraham in) Mecca and Medina, and also offering connecting short sea route between Mediterrean and Indian Ocean. "Other side of Jordan" is deserts of Arabs behind Jordan (Arabs have lived there centuries before Islam), confirming that Arabs are mentioned here. 2. The people who walk in darkness Will see a great light; Those who live in a dark land, The light will shine on them. "People who walk in darkness" is Arabic pagans, without monotheistic religion. "Light" is Islam and Word of Allah, "dark land" is waste lands in deserts. 3. You shall multiply the nation, You shall increase their gladness; They will be glad in Your presence As with the gladness of harvest, As men rejoice when they divide the spoil. Nation of Arabs and lot of spoil to divide multiplied when Arabs conquered Middle-East and North-Africa. "Increase their gladness" is about Muhammed, as Jesus himself said that he has not come to brought peace bur sword. 4. For You shall break the yoke of their burden and the staff on their shoulders, The rod of their oppressor, as at the battle of Midian. "Break yoke of their burden" is sin that is abolished, Quran and Mohammed gave numerous complete instructions in hadiths what is wrong, and how to avoid it. Breaking "staff on their shoulders" is slavery, that was reduced dramatically because of Islam, as it encouraged Muslims to let slaves free (reward is better benefits in paradise). Breaking "rod of their oppressor" is destroying power of satan. 5. For every boot of the booted warrior in the battle tumult, And cloak rolled in blood, will be for burning, fuel for the fire.
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    10. Then the LORD spoke again to Ahaz, saying, 11. "Ask a sign for yourself from the LORD your God; make it deep as Sheol or high as heaven." 12. But Ahaz said, "I will not ask, nor will I test the LORD!" 13. Then he said, "Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well? 14. "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. Immanuel is christianity/christians, "Lord with us" describes how christians will believe, that God came to Earth among them. Nowadays christians can not change this belief into any other form, as if they would denye that Jesus was not god, they should become Muslims. This is how Allah made sure that christians believe like Quran describes and how prophesied even in Bible. 15. "He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good. Warm and agriculturally plenty centuries were just before Islam, wine was grown even in Britain that time (besides description of few nuclear-winter´s in 6th century, when sun shined only couple of hours in a day, perhaps because of big meteor that hit Earth, it could be from words of Jesus how before end of times there will be "signs in the sky", just before coming of Mohammed who began "end of times", countdown for Judgment Day). Then when Islam came, about one third from christians in world learned how to chose good and abandon evil, in Middle-East and in North-Africa. 16. "For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken. So before Islam came and Christians learned to choose good, Syria (mentioned "land whose two kings you dread" in 7:5-6) and its lands were forsaken (in some translations "will come empty") when earthquake hit 526 AC and killed 250 000 Christian Syrians (almost total population of Syria that time). 17."The LORD will bring on you, on your people, and on your father's house such days as have never come since the day that Ephraim separated from Judah, the king of Assyria." This could be again coming back in time to time just after Jesus, and this could describe for example destruction of Jerusalem by Romans (but also other same kind of events).
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    ISAIAH PROPHESIES CHRISTIANITY AND Islam in Isa.7:5-6,13-17 earthquake killing 250 000 people in Christian Syria 526 AD+Islam Isa.9:1-6 These two prophesies describe both, christianity and Islam, religions more than their prophets, and describe conditions when they appeared, and it is connected to Islam by earthquake in Syria 526 AC, that killed over 250 000 christian Syrian´s. Time of earthquake in prophecy is connected to time when christianity was (most near to be) right religion before Islam came to direct into "choosing good and abandoning evil", as (most) christians in Syria and elsewhere in Middle-East and north-Africa did, accepted Islam (in long period of time). Then was over time when Immanuel (=christianity, Immanuel="Lord with us", describeing christians who believe that God was with them on earth), so christians, got to eat "curds and honey" (describeing especially warm centuries before coming of Islam and easy faith without much expectations like regular praying) and came time when christians had to choose between "choosing good and refusing evil" as Islam came. That is when easy salvation , for some without knowledge, even by worshipping Jesus as a god were to end, and more demanding times came.
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    Matt.9:12-13 “But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.†Luke.9:56 “for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.†So Jesus WAS king, Messiah, he divided Rome to east and west by religious differences (about power), Muslims got East Rome because of that, Byzantium. And he “sacrificedâ€, for sake of both Muslims and Christians, but he did not need to make it to forgive all sins of mankind, but perhaps only in describing way (for that all who will find Islam get to start with no sins again). If Europe, America and Africa had remind in paganism and with ruler-gods, persecution for Muslims would have been much worse than it was for Christians, who did not have such strict demand for total monotheism. (27)
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    Luke.12:51-52 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.†So house of Abraham is divided because of different beliefs on Jesus, mainly to 3 Christian religions (Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants) and to two Islamic religions (Sunni and Shiite). Matt.12:26-27 Jesus told us that Islam can not be from satan, as it directs worshipping and bowing to God of Abraham, reason why satan fall from heaven, and so would never tell to do so. Even Jesus spoke about God of Abraham, “Fatherâ€, not about Jehovah for example. And “I am truth, way, and life†does not mean Jesus was god, but a prophet who taught TRUTH in monotheistic teaching about one God, who gave us WAY and example in worshipping on knees face to ground and being totally submitting to God, and all this will give LIFE. All Muslims have to believe in Jesus TOO to be Muslim. Matt.21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.†As Jesus told (to people who were there, so “Christians†also), Jews (and its sect Christianity as it is based only to Jewish nation) lost kingdom of God when it was given to Arabs, ONE nation. Here Jesus announced that He has been send to direct those few chosen Christians by Bible to Islam and to Muslim-countries (like for me it did): John.10:16 â€I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen (offspring of Ishmael, not Isaac-Jewish). I must bring them also (Jesus in Quran and monotheism/prophesies in Bible). They too will listen to my voice (same message), and there shall be one flock and one shepherd (monotheistic believers and prophets teaching about one God, now only Islam).†Matt.18:12-14 “What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the MOUNTAINS and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. In the same way, my Father in heaven does not want one of these little children to be lost.†Luke.15:4-7 “What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the DESERT (open pasture) and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbours, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost! I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. “ Here words (leaving other sheep’s at SAFELY HOME in) “MOUNTAINS†and “DESERT†describe general nature in Muslim-countries near Christian countries.
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    >>>>>>---Luke.13:6-9, one "year" in prophecy is 600 years from Abraham to Islam=4 "years" 2400 years, 3 "years" before Jesus and 1 "year" from Jesus to Islam=600 years, when "tree of Judaism", and with it Jesus=Christianity, is cut down by Allah with "gardener" Jesus from way of Islam--- This is clear prophecy, if Christians would think even a little. Of course gardener talking to master (God) is Jesus himself, who presented this figure of speech. And when master (God) said to gardener (Jesus) that "cut this tree (symbol of Judaism generally in Bible, fig tree), it only takes strength from this ground", Jesus refers to his mission as reformatory of Judaism, as then Jesus says that he will take care from that land and "fertilize land around it", and that maybe "next year it will make fruits, and if not, THEN cut it down". And of course, tree (Judaism and sect of it, Christianity) was cut down (removed from religions of right way) as Islam came after that year (600 years) from "fertilized land AROUND IT" (around israel, from Arabia, and Jesus made way for Islam by splitting Roman Empire to East and West Rome by religious differences in case of power and ruling, so weakening it, and Jesus also brought in principle monotheistic teaching in Bible for pagans who would not have Islam anyway if Romans had still be united).<<<<<<< ----------------------------------------- Luke.13:6. Then he told this parable: "A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. 7. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, 'For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?' 8. " 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. 9. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.' " ----------------------------------------- Some say this Luke.13:6-9 is just numerical games. So tell me more reasonable and as compatible explanation. Fig tree is symbol of Judaism generally in Bible. Also when Jesus cursed fig tree in Matt.21:19 by words "may no fruit ever come from you again", he probably stated that no more prophets are going to come from Jews. And why time schedule fits so well in both of these to these religions, did Jesus not know about coming of Islam or did he not care how these look?
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    As you see, connections in history are too much even for Christians to deny these prophecies, and Christians do not really have any reasonable (with deeper meaning) explanation for these parts of sayings of Jesus. ------------------------------------------------- Matt.20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire men to work in his vineyard. 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard. 3. "About the third hour he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4. He told them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5. So they went. "He went out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour and did the same thing. 6. About the eleventh hour he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?' 7. " 'Because no one has hired us,' they answered."He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.' 8. "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.' 9. "The workers who were hired about the eleventh hour came and each received a denarius. 10. So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12. 'These men who were hired last worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.' 13. "But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14. Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?' (26) 16. "So the last will be first, and the first will be last." Some could say (and had said) that verses in Matt.20:1-16 question actually point to divine generosity that transcends human ideas of fairness. Yes it can do that TOO (although first group complaining about payment because of extra-work and master getting furious about it does not really support it), but it is far more complex and long for that alone. It would have just be easy to say that master gives denar for workers, and that’s it.
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    JESUS PROPHESIES “PEOPLE OF THE BOOKâ€-RELIGIONS AND TIME AND TOLD ORDER OF THOSE RELIGIONS: (Allah knows best) (These are connected to Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.) ---Matt.20:1-16, one "hour" is 200 years, "first hour" is Abraham, Jacob and Jews 1800-1700 BC, "third hour" is Sabians 1200-1100 BC, "sixth hour" is beginning of prophecies about Messiah 600 BC and "ninth hour" is Jesus coming 1 AD, "eleventh hour" is Islam 500-700 AD).---- In "third" hour you know it is talking about Sabians or Zarathustrians (Bible mentions two different “Sabians†in different directions), as "people who had nothing to do" clearly describes that right religion (as not yet corrupted, at least too much) was not yet given (from nations of that time) but for small group of Jews before. In "eleventh hour" description matches Arabs, as people with nothing to do said "no one has not hired as yet", and Arabs were not given religion or messengers before Mohammed, in fact they were so despised that neither Persia or Byzantium tried to capture them, or to spread Christianity for them. And finally "last coming as first and first as last" is just what prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) said, that even as he and Muslims came last, they will enter paradise first. By the way, in 20:12 people who came first (Jews) complaining about denary (paradise) for master (God) just because last (Muslims) did work so much more less time than them, is almost humorous description about Jews who even took salvation for their own nation and religion only. Another prophecy: ---Luke.13:6-9, one "year" in prophecy is 600 years from Abraham to Islam=4 "years" 2400 years, 3 "years" before Jesus and 1 "year" from Jesus to Islam=600 years, when "tree of Judaism", and with it Jesus=Christianity, is cut down by Allah with "gardener" Jesus from way of Islam--- This is clear prophecy, if Christians would think even a little. Of course gardener talking to master (God) is Jesus himself, who presented this figure of speech. And when master (God) said to gardener (Jesus) that "cut this tree (symbol of Judaism generally in Bible, fig tree), it only takes strength from this ground", Jesus refers to his mission as reformatory of Judaism, as then Jesus says that he will take care from that land and "fertilize land around it", and that maybe "next year it will make fruits, and if not, THEN cut it down". And of course, tree (Judaism and sect of it, Christianity) was cut down (removed from religions of right way) as Islam came after that year (600 years) from "fertilized land AROUND IT" (around israel, from Arabia, and Jesus made way for Islam by splitting Roman Empire to East and West Rome by religious differences in case of power and ruling, so weakening it, and Jesus also brought in principle monotheistic teaching in Bible for pagans who would not have Islam anyway if Romans had still be united).
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