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  1. Islam In Finland

    (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] arrived in Finland most likely in 19th century, during Russian-rule, after Russia conquest Finland from Sweden 1809. Muslims were Tatar-Muslims from Russia (Mostly from Volga/Siberia), traders. Legend goes that couple Tatars were drunken and fell into sleep in cargo-ship, and when they woke up they were in Finland. Then they told other Tatars back in Russia that Finland could have good possibilities for tradeing, like in case of furs, and there came some hundreds of them. Now there is couple thousand Tatars in Finland, and they have Masjids for example in Helsinki. In beginning of 1990´s situation in Somalia errupted into a bloody civil-war between different clans, local mafia-organisations, and whole country of Somalia were no more. No government, nothing. Famine and battle´s forced thousands of Somalians to become refugees, and thousands of them came to Finland too. Scene of (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] in Finland changed totally in short period of time, as Tatars (who look excactly like any other Finnish) were replaced as biggest Muslim-group by Somalians who are darker than night. Suddenly (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] was visible in streets and public places, as Somalians were easy to spot as nearly only big group of black people in Finland (even with Muslim-outfits). (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] was no more "hidden" in Finland, it were hitten straight on our faces (with all problems in cultural backrounds and difficulties in assimilitation in society). More Masjids were taken in use in all major cities. Also many Arabs and Kurdish people have came here after that. Result has been increased amont of reverts, "converts", among Finnish-people. Even I found (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] probably very much because of help (in wakeing up my interest) of my Somalian and Kurdish friends (who I got to know when I moved from Northern Finland into Helsinki). (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url] is great.
  2. Both earth and heavens had their own six periods ("days" could be false translation) of creation, here is phases for creation of the heavens (in parts below explaining how you can notice this difference in Koran, point is that there is no dots in Arabic Koran, and we can not know where there should be, it can be only way to explain “eight†days in 41:9-12). This was one possible meaning for these six "days"/"periods of time" in creation of universe: 1."Big Bang", 2.Hydro- and helium-atoms core/centre forming couple of minutes after it , 3. 300 000 years from Big Bang Hydro- and helium-atoms formed completely and background radiation is formed, 4. First stars and galaxies are formed, building blocks for universe from stars exploding, 5. Our Milky Way-galaxy is born, and so building blocks for our sun system, 6. Our sun system is born and our planet is "brought together" from meteors finally. Here is spoken about creation of earth in six "days", later about (earlier but late) creation of heavens: 41:9-10"Say (Mohammed): Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance)." He gave us blessing even this point, continental-plates and with them beginning of evolution on mountains, although even before that there were higher formations on earth. At that early stage mountains may have not be yet so "high above ground" as now, but as soon as those started to develop it was beginning of it, leading into it, and still more higher than other parts of earth. So " set high above" may be later time than this two "days"/periods from creation of earth (maybe it has been last four days or all six, still going on), because when Allah will "set" something to happen, it is, has been and will be, Allah has known always He will do it (and that is answer for those "who ask"). This was from my book in www.angelfire/moon2/koran/ or www.angelfire/moon2/quran/
  3. I found (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] in beginning of 2003, in Helsinki. I was born in Rovaniemi, capital of Lappland (northern Finland), on 12.10.1980 (exactly 488 years after Columbus found America), and moved after studies and broken heart into Helsinki in spring/summer 2001. In Helsinki I had many new friends from Somalies and from Kurdish. I tried to convert them into christianity in the beginning, probably that is why I got to know them very well (I wanted to have "long project" in discussions about religions). That was what got me eventually interested about (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url], as we spoke more about religions. I started reading Quran, and I did read bible (again from Islamic perspective) too, and noticed many evidences. Then they introduced Masjid for me, as I asked them to take me there. I put all those evidences I noticed from science/history/bible into my book, ins (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url] I hope it will help some others to accept Islam as well, if (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url] is willing.
  4. Evolution In The Bible, Says Vatican

    Here is how evolution can be found from Quran/hadiths, and even from words of prophet Jesus through Quran: (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021104"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/moon2/koran/index...opic_id=1021104[/url]
  5. SALAAM! Here it is all in links (about evolution in Koran is in the end of introduction link, and in beginning of "astronomy" and "human developement" links) to my book: First look at this beautiful picture about dominantly Islamic area, only Allah could do this: (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/bible_and_history/cover1.gif"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/bible_and_history/cover1.gif[/url] INTRODUCTION: (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/sciencekoran/Muslim.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/sciencekoran/Muslim.html[/url] (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/sciencekoran/Muslims.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/sciencekoran/Muslims.html[/url] (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/sciencekoran/Islam.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/sciencekoran/Islam.html[/url] (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/sciencekoran/Islam.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/sciencekoran/Islam.html[/url] ASTRONOMY AND ALIENS (JINNS) IN KORAN: (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/astronomy_ufo/Islam.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/astronomy_ufo/Islam.html[/url] (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/astronomy_ufo/index.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/astronomy_ufo/index.html[/url] HUMAN DEVELOPEMENT (AND ANIMALS) IN KORAN: (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/humans_animals/Islam.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/humans_animals/Islam.html[/url] (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/humans_animals/index.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/humans_animals/index.html[/url] GEOLOGY AND PROPHECY/ HISTORY IN KORAN (f.ex. flood of prophet Noah and proofs that it did not cover whole world in upper part of page, begins with big words FLOOD OF NOAH, and after that already fulfilled "Mag and Magog"-prophecy about mongols begins with title "About Alexsander the Great and "Gog and Magog": ", and also about prophecy of deserts coming green again and about Islamic manifest ) : (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/geology_prophecy_history/Islam.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/geology_prophecy_history/Islam.html[/url] (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/geology_prophecy_history/index.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/geology_prophecy_history/index.html[/url] Also link to bible prophecies about Islam, and how and why christians went astray. So please, visit and give me opinions and critics! (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/bible_and_history/Islam.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/bible_and_history/Islam.html[/url] (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/bible_and_history/Islam.html"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.geocities(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/bible_and_history/Islam.html[/url]
  6. Koran:evolution,astronomy,aliens,gog & Magog,noah!

    PLEASE NOTICE ALL THAT IMPROVED WRITINGS FROM ALL OF THESE ARE NOW IN THIS LINK: (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire/moon2/koran/"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire/moon2/koran/[/url] In hadithts there is descriptions about jinns visiting other worlds (like ours?), in Quran Allah said to jinns and humans that "if you are able to pass beyond borders of heavens and earth, then pass you", why would He say so if jinns (earlier) or humans (nowadays) are not able to do it? Nowhere in Quran or hadiths it is not said that ALL jinns live on earth, it might be just some of them that are talked about in those parts (capability to take human form for example just fits descriptions about "alien-encounters"). In Quran is also mentioned those "worshipping / living things on earth and heavens". Yes, Quran is for both (at least for those with enough knowledge, Allah does not punish people without knowledge or if Islam has not been given to them), and maybe humankind is in position of giver here, for aliens only thing worth saving/studying from earth might be Quran (and humans of course as strange stupid species that happened to have such a treasure in their hands, without giving enough respect for it). Allah is speaking in Quran for both, man and jinns, and in Arabic writing there may be totally different message for jinns in their own language, that we have not noticed, as Allah said in Quran (for us, humans) that there is things in Quran that we will never know/understand. May be that (some of) these aliens have been among us for a VERY long time in some amount, as in Quran is said that some of humans have taken/will take some of them as their protectors. But recent evolution in radiowaves and our transmissions in space might have produced new kind of interest among variety of aliens species towards earth, as also Quran is travelling on radiowaves deep into space. Quran has douple meanings also for humans in Arabics, why not for anybody else? We are religious species, could be that aliens do not have that kind of structure of brains/mind, so accepting Quran would be challenge, test, for them too in different ways than for humans. Their decision might be based only for reasoning, realizing that beduiine from that species could not have made so scientifically perfect and describeing writing. So Quran is now travelling around universe. It will not vanish before heavens will vanish. In Quran is description about some people running around in panic on (Day of?) Judgment with their necks outstretched, that description could fit for "aliens" with long arms, foots and necks, but could be also that humans are in fact these aliens from future, time travellers, practically new species ("jinns" could be describeing both future humans and other aliens, as humans needed some sort of differenting to understand future humans too, our atoms are from stars too, from "fire without smoke"), as our evolution is supposed to make us look like that in millions of years. PLEASE NOTICE ALL THAT IMPROVED WRITINGS FROM ALL OF THESE ARE NOW IN THIS LINK: (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire/moon2/koran/"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire/moon2/koran/[/url]
  7. Was Islam Prophesied By Jesus/bible?

    These evidence about Islam prophesied in words of Jesus and Bible, and about modern Christianity as a warning example in words of Jesus and Bible. Each subject more accurately in links. JESUS PROPHESIES Islam AND TOLD ABOUT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOKâ€-RELIGIONS AND TIME AND ORDER OF THOSE: Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions +Luke.13:6-9, one "year" in prophecy is 600 years from Abraham to Islam=4 "years" 2400 years, 3 "years" before Jesus and 1 "year" from Jesus to Islam=600 years, when "tree of Judaism", and with it Jesus=Christianity, is cut down by Allah with "gardener" Jesus from way of Islam, +Matt.20:1-16, one "hour" is 200 years, "first hour" is Abraham, Jacob and Jews 1800-1700 BC, "third hour" is Sabians 1200-1100 BC, "sixth hour" is beginning of prophecies about Messiah 600 BC and "ninth hour" is Jesus coming 1 AC, "eleventh hour" is Islam 500-700 AC (After Christ) . (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/moon2/quran/Islam/index.blog?topic_id=1021551"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/moon2/quran/Islam...opic_id=1021551[/url] ISAIAH PROPHESIES CHRISTIANITY AND Islam Isa.7:5-6,13-17 earthquake killing 250 000 people in Christian Syria 526 AC+Islam Isa.9:1-6 (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/moon2/quran/Islam/index.blog?topic_id=1021552"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/moon2/quran/Islam...opic_id=1021552[/url] “APOSTLE†PAUL, BEAST ("WOLF IN LAMBS CLOTHES") HIMSELF! Compare Matt.24:23 and 24:26 how Jesus warned about Paul’s "revelation of Jesus" in road to Damascus and in prison as mark of false messiah and false prophet, compare Matt.24:24 to 2.Corinth.12:12, where Paul himself used same words to describe himself as Jesus used to describe false prophets and false messiahs. (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/moon2/quran/Islam/index.blog?topic_id=1021553"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.angelfire(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/moon2/quran/Islam...opic_id=1021553[/url]
  8. Why I can not open new topic on "refuting non-(www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]muslims[/url]"? I have written over 50 posts, that were mentioned as a limit for these things to open up...
  9. Islam In Finland

    Please notice that Masjids were not easy to find or to see before (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] came to Finland by mass-immigration. And even today Masjids are not allowed to give call for prayer, and they are not easily identified as Masjids fom outside. Usually Masjids are active in business-realestates and in old churches. Anyway, Finland is full of Kebab and Pizza-places (and (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslim[/url] distribution is wide because of distribution-politics of government), so it is easy to find (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslim[/url] to tell where is Masjid.
  10. Islam in China

    Any Chinese (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslim[/url] who would like to translate my dawah-writing (or parts of it) into Chinese? You find it from my web-pages.
  11. Revenge´s Of Allah In History

    Think about it: Black Death-plague arrived after crusades to Europe in trade-ship through Venetsia, that prospered because of trade from crusades. Andalusia brought renaissance, and after expulsion of (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslims[/url] from Spain it produced hundred year wars with protestants and Catholics by reformation of faith. Napoleon got to power because of his former conquest of Egypt, even though he lost to Turks, because he knew how to speak. World Wars began because of colonial-invasions, and rivalry about it, from Austria-Hungary colony of (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslim[/url]-Sarajevo. Russia invading and oppressing Muslims in Central-Asia came communist, after Muslims allied with Bolsheviks after they promised Muslims autonomic republics. Finland had opportunity to conquer St.Petersburg in 1919 when Bolsheviks were weak (Lenin himself said that if Finland had intervene even a bit, Bolsheviks would have lost a war) and former servant of tsars Mannerheim were eager to do that after civil war between red-white in Finland, but opposition of war in Finland won. Without communism may not have been Hitler in power (fear of communism was big issue), but (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslim[/url]-countries (and others) would still be under colonization, also Central Asian (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslim[/url]-countries by Russia, who knows if there would be any Muslims left now (communists had church as target, not Muslims). 8:30 "Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url] too plans; but the best of planners is (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url]. " 5:14 "From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: Therefore We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the the day of judgment. And soon will (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url] show them what it is they have done ." After bloody history of past Roman Europe until WWII, Christians in western countries and in Africa have took this curse to be well proved, and Africans have even continued wars after their independence. 5:13 informs that Jews have been cursed by (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url], and this curse is easy to see in history, mostly executed by people of "Christians" (as majority from these people), and they are also said to have "change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them", and changes in their writings are almost legendary (proved by for example recently found Qumran scrolls, where in Deut.32:8 is said that God has provided nations "according to number of sons of God", that Jews were not only ones to receive prophets as they and Christians claim, questioning their whole faith. Before this discovery this part said "provided for each nation own god", which is far away from original meaning).
  12. Revenge´s Of Allah In History

    8:73 "The unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, (protect each other), there would be corruption and oppression on earth, and great mischief." Although this does not deny completely that unbelievers could protect (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslims[/url], in history those moments are rare (really not majority from "unbelievers" or (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslims[/url] to be "protectors/protected"): Germany tried to protect itself in first World War by alliance with Ottoman Empire (now Turkey), and Croatians protect themselves against Serbs by alliance with Bosnian (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslims[/url]. This might be also mentioning only for Mohammed and (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslims[/url] at his times, as all allied against him. (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_k001.html#Koran"]Koran[/url] is at the same time revelation partly for people (and Mohammed especially) of that time, also scientifically correct for people until this day, and all between. All of (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_k001.html#Koran"]Koran[/url] is not mainly for people of this time, as some advices were given only concerning situation of that time (as for example fighting against Arab-pagans), but it still considers us also through knowing and understanding history. It is also easy to see how Christianity has served (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url]. It has made (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] much more closer religion in history, belief systems and theology for hundreds of millions of people (and for Muslims eventually to move live among them), compared to what would have been situation otherwise in ruler-gods Europe, Africa and America. Some say that Christianity stopped (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] from Europe and in these other now Christian areas, but in fact even in Africa most pagans did not accept (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url], and pagan-Rome was greatest world power, and if Christianity would not have broken Rome with arguments about balance of power between rulers and church into two parts, into East- and West-Rome, Rome could still control Middle-East too.
  13. Sunrise From The West

    But is it certain that it will happen on Earth? What if it will happen in Mars or in Titan (or some other planets rotating opposite direction than Earth) in distant future? Where Earth was mentioned? And is this sign just sign or is it total end? Is Judgement Day and Judgement different things? What if Judgement Day is long period of time when (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] is only allowed religion by (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url], and there is no more "people without knowledge" (like good believers from "People of the Book"), who would not have enough information about (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] or acces to it (to have possibility to be saved even as a non-(www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslim[/url])? In fact in summer time here on north sun will rise from between north and west at night-time, and it will travel to east to "rise" again (in fact sun barely sets or rises on mid-summer, probably only just behind some hills).
  14. Science/history/bible Convinced Me

    And to make it clear, these Somalian/Kurdish guys were not much religious people, they really did not follow much from teachings of their religion, but obviously they had some kind of strong basics of faith somewhere as they knew about their religion and were interested about it, even believed into it. So even "secularized" (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslims[/url] can help (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url], I would have probably not get to know them so well if they would have been very practiceing (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslims[/url].
  15. Science/history/bible Convinced Me

    Sorry, almost forgot, address fro my dawah-writing: (www.)"http://angelfire/moon2/koran/"]angelfire/moon2/koran/[/url]
  16. Islam In Finland

    I even put all those evidences from science/history/bible (leading me to accept (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url]) into my dawah-writing, that I wrote (mainly for christians). Ins (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url] I hope it could help people to found and understand (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_i001.html#Islam"]Islam[/url] (much better). Address for my writing is: w w w .angelfire. c o m/moon2/(www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_k001.html#Koran"]koran[/url]/
  17. 21st Century Crusaders

    "Fahrenheit 9/11" and "Kingdom of Heaven" share also same kind of negative attitude against modern situation, also from historical point of view.
  18. Where Are The Women Scholars?

    I have heard that in China (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslims[/url] have lots of womans as scholars.
  19. Adam From "water"/"ground"/"semen" = Evolution?

    Most important thing to remember is this: Do we think that we have capability to say how (and why/why so) (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url] has created (us and all others) ? As we were created only to worship (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url] and be VICEGRANT on Earth, and nothing else, can we say that creation through evolution (even from common ancestors with apes, NOT from apes them selves according to any theory) would be "insulting" or "less valuable" for humans or for (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url]? Is it not RESULT that matters and can be seen here, why does it matter so much how it happened exactly in each part of that creation ( = why creation from water/ground have to be seen so stricktly literally, and not describeing different phases of creation in evolution)? It is difficult for one who has been created non-Muslim to find Islam, for Muslim test is in understanding Islam CORRECTLY, and it is IN NO WAY MORE EASIER. (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_a001.html#Allah"]Allah[/url] said in Quran that we (humans) did/do not (and will not) give thanks about our creation. Certainly many (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_glossary/glossary_m002.html#Muslim"]Muslims[/url] do not give thanks about creation (=evolution), no, they are attacking against it.
  20. HISTORY: (Allah knows best) Think about it: Black Death-plague arrived after crusades to Europe in trade-ship through Venetsia, that prospered because of trade from crusades. Andalusia brought renaissance, and after expulsion of Muslims from Spain it produced hundred year wars with protestants and Catholics by reformation of faith. Napoleon got to power because of his former conquest of Egypt, even though he lost to Turks, because he knew how to speak. World Wars began because of colonial-invasions, and rivalry about it, from Austria-Hungary colony of Muslim-Sarajevo. Russia invading and oppressing Muslims in Central-Asia came communist, after Muslims allied with Bolsheviks after they promised Muslims autonomic republics. Finland had opportunity to conquer St.Petersburg in 1919 when Bolsheviks were weak (Lenin himself said that if Finland had intervene even a bit, Bolsheviks would have lost a war) and former servant of tsars Mannerheim were eager to do that after civil war between red-white in Finland, but opposition of war in Finland won. Without communism may not have been Hitler in power (fear of communism was big issue), but Muslim-countries (and others) would still be under colonization, also Central Asian Muslim-countries by Russia, who knows if there would be any Muslims left now (communists had church as target, not Muslims). 8:30 "Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah. " Koran is amazing even as a book of history. For example name of "Pharaoh" (as in the Bible) is corrected in Koran (hundreds of years later) as Fir´aun, and archaeologies have founded out that his name really were that. Not only that, but Koran says about drowned Pharaoh: 10:92 "So this day We shall deliver your (dead) body (out from the sea), that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of our signs!" This pharaoh were found 1898, and his body had no signs of being long time in water.
  21. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    Best proof on behalf of Islam will be that “god-Jesus†or “Messiah†for Jews will not appear before year 2028, as Bible and Torah prophesied to happen for that generation (80 years in Bible) that SAW (can child see it?) foundation of israel, it is on Matt.24:32-34, and it can only mean that one generation, not Jews generally, as only they were to witness birth of israel that is described as fig tree (metaphor about israel) putting forth its leaves in the parable. Muslims have to spread this information, as those who help others have heart of a prophet. Then we will see that Bible is corrupted or that Jesus came as Muslim, so Muslims can let time and Allah to prove their religion, there is no reason to kill because of it: 41:53 “Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?†And by the way, that adress were www.angelfire. c o m/moon2/koran/ or www.angelfire. c o m/moon2/quran/
  22. History Prooving On Behalf Of Actions Of Allah:

    34:15-16 “There was, for Saba, aforetime, a Sign in their home-land - two Gardens to the right and to the left. "Eat of the Sustenance (provided) by your Lord, and be grateful to Him: a territory fair and happy, and a Lord Oft-Forgiving! But they turned away (from Allah), and We sent against them the flood (released) from the dams, and We converted their two garden (rows) into "gardens" producing bitter fruit, and tamarisks, and some few (stunted) lote-trees.†Also from cities destroyed there is interesting mentionings, it is possible that in Koran is described "plenteous garden" that located in Saabah (now Yemen), which had dam that provided living for over 30 000 people until dam collapsed at time of birth of prophet Mohammed (around 570 AC). On that area sabians main god (worshipped as only god by some) were moon-god, that had own giant temple build by c.a. 1200 BC. It is also easy to see how Christianity has served Islam. It has made Islam much more closer religion in history, belief systems and theology for hundreds of millions of people (and for Muslims eventually to move live among them), compared to what would have been situation otherwise in ruler-gods Europe, Africa and America. Some say that Christianity stopped Islam from Europe and in these other now Christian areas, but in fact even in Africa most pagans did not accept Islam, and pagan-Rome was greatest world power, and if Christianity would not have broken Rome with arguments about balance of power between rulers and church into two parts, into East- and West-Rome, Rome could still control Middle-East too. (16) This all was from my book in www.angelfire. c o m/moon2/koran/ or www.angelfire. c o m/moon2/quran/
  23. History Prooving On Behalf Of Actions Of Allah:

    5:14 "From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: Therefore We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done ." After bloody history of past Roman Europe until WWII, Christians in western countries and in Africa have took this curse to be well proved, and Africans have even continued wars after their independence. 5:13 informs that Jews have been cursed by Allah, and this curse is easy to see in history, mostly executed by people of "Christians" (as majority from these people), and they are also said to have "change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them", and changes in their writings are almost legendary (proved by for example recently found Qumran scrolls, where in Deut.32:8 is said that God has provided nations "according to number of sons of God", that Jews were not only ones to receive prophets as they and Christians claim, questioning their whole faith. Before this discovery this part said "provided for each nation own god", which is far away from original meaning). 8:73 "The unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, (protect each other), there would be corruption and oppression on earth, and great mischief." Although this does not deny completely that unbelievers could protect Muslims, in history those moments are rare (really not majority from "unbelievers" or Muslims to be "protectors/protected"): Germany tried to protect itself in first World War by alliance with Ottoman Empire (now Turkey), and Croatians protect themselves against Serbs by alliance with Bosnian Muslims. This might be also mentioning only for Mohammed and Muslims at his times, as all allied against him. Koran is at the same time revelation partly for people (and Mohammed especially) of that time, also scientifically correct for people until this day, and all between. All of Koran is not mainly for people of this time, as some advices were given only concerning situation of that time (as for example fighting against Arab-pagans), but it still considers us also through knowing and understanding history.
  24. Adam From "water"/"ground"/"semen" = Evolution?

    So taking account of ALL evidence in Quran and hadiths, and fitting them together, is LITTLE MORE complicated than you might think...
  25. Adam From "water"/"ground"/"semen" = Evolution?

    Salaam. When you said about hadith that who interpretates Quran without knowledge, he have to be ready for seat in hellfire, and I said that welcome to the club, I meant two things. 1. Everybody, EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM TOO, have to be ready for that possibility that he is going to hell too. No single Muslim can not know for certain that he will not go there, even for a certain time before salvation from there. So hadith might not be just about interpretations of Quran, but from understanding and practising Islam and Quran in general, and about huge risks that are involved between huge differences in WORD of GOD and our small ape-brains, that are capable of using only 10% of its best berformance, in best possible case. So we are all in risk, neither we wanted to interpretate Quran or not, risk is there even when we read it first time, do we understand hidden meanings or even obvious meanings. For certain it is that Quran is more hidden from others than from others. 2. What if just one guy happens to get knowledge from Allah that no other people has. Like for example in case of Jesus coming back this would be very likely, there was one unseen case in that man long ago too. So you are just going to deny Jesus when he is coming back, because some or many people (like most of people in average, even scholars) with much less efficient brains by less capability given by Allah in some things think otherwise? Ou boy, that sounds somewhere familiar to what happened 2000 years ago among Jews according to bible.... Are you even sure you have got prophesies about how Jesus is coming back correct? Could it be, like there usually in prophesies is, that even descriptions that sounds most obviously not in anyway complicated (like they do in our little minds limited to time and space), you still have missed another way? In first coming of Messiah for jews they were waiting for a king, who would conquer world for jews. He surely DID "conquer" world, especially for jewish-sect, and even as a king (expected also by christians) when christianity devided Rome to East- and West-Rome (from which Islam got east), but in most biggest scale for religions of Abraham (over 50% of worlds population), who ALL are fighting nearly only about him, Jesus. Remember that that kind of God, orchestrator of all things, we have....
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