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  1. Mogadishu: The Imminent Fall

    Actually, regarding the Al-Quds bombing, it was first the anti-Shia Lashkar-e-Jhangvi that claimed responsibility. But there was also a claim from the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, according to sources in the tribal areas. However, the distinction is of little importance in this case, as both the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the TTP collaborate and cooperate on many tactical and operational levels. The two groups also claimed joint responsibility for an attack on a Shia procession in the city of Lahore. For all real purposes, they are allies and both groups are murderers. Of course, I usually find that those who have made up their minds to always give the benefit of the doubt to terrorists are rarely convinced by any form of evidence. I doubt even Hakimullah Mehsud telling you in person would convince them
  2. Some Questions About The Pakistan Taliban

    The article is a little outdated. The new leader of the TTP is Hakimullah Mehsud, who took over after Baitullah was killed in a drone strike. Hakimullah was also reported killed, but later emerged in a video along with the JUordanian who suicide bombed the CIA listening station in Khost (Afghanistan). The relations between all these groups is very complex, but if you are really interested I can PM you sometime later with more details. It would help if you give me specific questions and I'll reply to them.
  3. Some Questions About The Pakistan Taliban

    This article is a little old, but may be useful: (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetacus(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/new_atlanticist/taliban-whats-name"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetacus(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/new_atlanticist/taliban-whats-name[/url]
  4. Dear all, Assalam-o-Alaikum, The political forum may not be the best or most appropriate place to post this, but I am going to do it anyway. Pakistan has been hit by the worst floods in its history, a disaster that the UN secretary general himself says he has seen NO PARALELL to. I write this post in the hope that all of you will come forth to support your brothers and sisters in their time of need. Give all that you can to whomever that you can > I know of several charities, Islamic and non-islamic alike that are collecting funds for flood victims. Over six million children have been affected, 3.5 million are at SEVERE risk of disease. Pause for a moment and consider the numbers. These are children, many of whom are now orphans...many of whom are starving and scores die every single day, they die even as I write this and you read it. Posts regarding israel and the US get hundreds of replies on this forum and others like them, but how many of you will actually step forth to help your brothers and sisters with more than words? Ramadan is here and at the very least you can send your zakat to the suffering people in Pakistan. By all means research the charities for yourself. I know Islamic Relief has launched an appeal in the UK, I think ICNA has done the same in North America. There is OXFAM, save the children and many many others. In Pakistan itself, the Edhi foundation is very active. All of these are worthy places for your donations to go. I hope this appeal will not fall on deaf ears.
  5. Appeal For Pakistan Flood Victims

    Thank you both for your replies, and thank you saracensoldier for posting a helpful link.
  6. Our Muslim Credibility Problem: It's A Conspiracy

    Ummm....not to get caught up in this whole satanism business...I don't really know where that came from anyway...I'd just like to say that I agree with the original poster. We should stop obsessing about conspiracies and start getting our act together. The only problem is that sipping coffee and talking in ushed tones is a lot easier than actually getting off your butt and doing something.
  7. Lal Masjid: 335 Religious Students Killed In Overnight Opera

    Once you've calmed down, please remember that some of the best schools in Pakistan were/are christian convent type schools. And you know nothing....NOTHING about who maulana Ghazi was and what was happening in the Lal Masjid. But then reading your posts in general gives me the understanding that you generally believe that whoever shouts the loudest is the most convincing. You are doing no one any favours with this rabid attitude. Not Islam, not Muslims and certainly not yourself.
  8. Deadly Attack On Pakistani Troops

    Ameen. And Ifti...have you considered that perhaps you too are locked into a limited circle of thought. There are NO good guys here. The Lal Masjid brigade are terrorists who openly advocated suicide bombings. They were armed with the latest weapons and gas masks. You saw the same footage I did. And yes....Ghazi was very convincing but so was Hitler, so was Stalin, so was Abu Sufyan and so was Zia-ul-haq. You may hate the army...fine. But do not let that hate make you sympathise with the Lal Masjid. They got what they wanted.
  9. Ifti, saying more will die inshallah is advocating violence and death and btw is a banning offence here on gawaher. You think that people who rejected a verdict from the Imam-e-Ka'aba (one they themselves asked for) are worth looking up to? You think that people like Maulana Ghazi who threatened the Pakistani people with suicide bombing is a hero? What about his brother who encouraged young impressionable students to martyr themselves and then tried to escape in a woman's burqa? Is he a hero too? All this article tells me is how well these girls were brainwashed by the Lal masjid terrorist mullahs. Suicide bombing is haraam and the split second of pain these people will feel is nothing compared to the eternity they will spend in hell. You can hate Pakistan, the army and Musharraf all you want but do not let that hate blind you to the fact that the people you are appreciating are evil to the core. If (Allah forbid) someone I love perishes in one of these misguided attacks I will know who to blame and whom to destroy. Not Musharraf, but the ideological brethren of the Lal masjid and those who sympathise with them.
  10. Boys and girls...please do not feed the trolls. That's all I have to say on this topic.
  11. The Red Mosque And Confused Nation

    Factually incorrect.
  12. The First Racist Was...

    :j: whoah...Iblis was a fire supremacist!
  13. What Hapenin In Pakistan

    Will check it out and get bacvk to you.
  14. What Hapenin In Pakistan

    :sl: Don't be fooled please, The Lal Masjid is now and has always been a creation of the inteligence agencies. It was allowed to create a stir in order to distract from the growing opposition movement against Musharraf. It is not a coi9ncidence that this issue flares up every time the CJ case goes against the govt. The issue could have been resolved months ago...but allowing it to carry on lets Musharraf show the world that he is all that stands betyween Pakistan and some mythical Taliban takeover...ridiculous. But you have ALL fallen for it. How stupid is that? People who will believe any wild conspiracy theory will not see this issue for what it is simply because, on the face of it, it fits their little worldview. No wonder the muslims are in such bad shape. Try a little logic, a little critical thought instead of wasting your prayers on these cultish criminals. And please do NOT ascribe any kind of moral superiority to the LM. They are criminals. They have built a Masjid on illegally occupied land. They have kidnapped people and occupied a children's library. Most importantly, if they are such good muslims, as some of you seem to think then consider this: They asked for a ruling from the Imam-e-Kaaba himself. When he ruled against them...on ALL counts, they ignored the ruling. How does this fit with your worldview? Lately, the militants have been firing on parents who ere trying to get their children out of the Masjid. Is this Islamic? They have preached armed insurrection against the state. Is this Islamic? Please do not let your dislike for Musharraf colour your views. If you are drowning and a cannibal throws you a lifeline...this does not mean he wants to save your life. And yes, the rule of law is not established in Pakistan, but to use that to excuse the LM actions is a weak argument. It's like saying...hey...if criminals break the law, why can't clerics?If the Quraish carried out massacres, should the muslims of medina have done the same? This is the logical conclusion of that line of argument. This is a DRAMA. Get over yourselves amd think for a change. :sl:
  15. British Queen Made A Mockery Of Herself

    The reason the Brits like this guy...and others like him...is because he says what they want to say but can't because they'd be labelled racist Islamophobes. It's just part of the European backlash against what they percieve as atacks on their way of life. But it was a foolish thing to do...unless your goal is to keep the fire burning. In which case it's mission: accomplished.
  16. Adherence To Islam Punishable With 20 Years

    Yes it is a big stink over nothing, and I agree that probably nothing will come of it. But here's the rub: If some illiterate mullah with about 10 followers in the muslim world calls for killing westerners, it's headline news. And then all of you come in brimming with self-righteousness asking us (who have never even heard of said joker) to condemn his words. It's only the Western media that projects these people...that's why 10 Al-Muhajiroon loonies is big news. I never even heard of them and their few dozen followers until Time or Newsweek did a story on them. Sure we have our share of psychos, but so do you. The difference is that while our crazies are on the run...yours are in the White House.
  17. The Kingdom of Jerusalem “History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.” – Mark Twain. The existence of the state of israel is a constant obsession for the Muslim world in general, and the Arab world in particular, but apart from harping on about the evils of Zionism and the daily atrocities meted out to the Palestinian people, it seems very little thought has been given to the actual nature of the state of israel and its historical antecedents. This is crucial because if we are to determine the shape of the future, we must first understand the past. In other words, we need to find a historical precedent for the state of israel. Luckily one such clear precedent exists in the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem and as we shall see, the similarities between the ancient Crusader kingdom and the modern state of israel are uncanny. The first crusades were launched in 1095 AD by European Christians with the original aim of assisting the Byzantine Empire against the Seljuk Turks. However, the aim soon changed to the capture (or recapture as the crusaders saw it) of the Holy Land. The Kingdom of Jerusalem came into existence with the bloody capture of Jerusalem in July of 1099 and from then on expanded to include several Mediterranean port cities. Just as the original aim of the crusades was not the capture of Jerusalem, so was the original aim of the Zionist movement simply to provide a homeland for the Jewish people, with no particular mention of the Holy Land. In both cases, this quickly changed. The crusaders sensed Arab weakness and moved in. So did the Zionists sense the ease with which they could seize control of Palestine, and thus from 1880 onwards a slow and steady process of immigration to Palestine was begun with the aim of changing the very demographics of the area before the eventual declaration of independence in 1947 (?) The end result in both cases was the same: the capture of Jerusalem and its surrounding areas by a non-indigenous power. In the case of the crusades the invaders were European Franks and in the modern example the bulk of the Zionist settlers were Ashkenazim (European Jewry). In both cases, the fall of Jerusalem sent a shockwave through the Arab world and led, initially at least, to a general military mobilization and in the long-term to an increase in political Islamist thought. After the fall of Jerusalem, the Crusaders pursued an expansionary policy that mirrors the land gains made by israel in the last 50 odd years. The land surrounding Jerusalem was quickly captured and then preparations were made to fight off the inevitable Arab counterattacks which came from largely two directions: The Fatimids in Egypt for one and Damascus and Mosul in the Northeast for another. In the case of israel, the Arab invasions followed the historical patterns, with Egypt, Syria and Jordan mobilizing to crush the newly founded state. Both military actions failed and the Crusader state survived, as did israel. From then on, after the failure of several attempts to dislodge the invaders, the surrounding Arab kingdoms began to come to terms with the changed situation. In fact, many local Muslim rulers made alliances with the Crusaders, whose initial religious zeal had begun to give way to pragmatism. This is truer of those crusaders who settled in the new kingdom and began, slowly but surely, to imbibe local customs and traditions. Becoming quickly accustomed to politics in the Middle East, they often were called upon by the local Arab rulers to aid them in their internecine feuds and made liberal use of the cult of the Assassins as was the custom among their Arab neighbours. Thus, the Crusaders were able to exploit Muslim disunity in order to strengthen their own position. Alliances with the Crusaders came at a serious price however. Not only were those rulers branded as infidels and collaborators by their political opponents, they also had to deal with the simmering resentment of their own subjects, who were undoubtedly swayed by the propaganda against their rulers. Naturally, much of this rhetoric was intended to deflect discontent in their own populations, but as a result there a began a slow but inevitable process of radicalization among the population of the Middle East, which was speeded by every new defeat and every new alliance made by the Muslim rulers with the kingdom of Jerusalem. And while initially there were those who may have accepted the existence of the kingdom, these voices became increasingly marginalized as time went by. The similarity of this situation with the present one cannot be overlooked. The initial reaction to israel was nationalistic in nature, and the states that originally opposed israel were headed by governments that were largely secular and overtly nationalistic, even the PLO, which was founded in 1964 with the stated aim of destroying israel, was a nationalist organization. Jordan was of course a monarchy, and it quickly learned the cost of tapping nationalistic sentiment when the PLO attempted to create a state within a state, leading to the events of Black September. The defeat of the nationalist regimes in the six day war and the Yom Kippur war led them to tacitly accept the existence of israel, much to the chagrin of their demoralized populations. While they overtly maintained the rhetoric of opposition, both Egypt and Jordan made treaties with israel, thus opening the way for their condemnation by other Arab nations that were vying for leadership roles in the Arab world. The opposition of these states too, was largely confined to lip service, but the role of this lip service in the changing nature of the conflict cannot be underestimated. Peace with israel, followed by the Lebanese civil war was in fact the death knell of state-sponsored Arab nationalism, which would henceforth wane and become an anachronism which, while it still hangs on to a semblance of existence has long since ceased to be relevant. Henceforth the only other credible opposition was to be Islamic in nature, and it dealt a major blow to the old order by the assassination of Anwar Sadat. All sides had used religious rhetoric in the conflict and were now to learn that this particular genie does not return to the bottle so easily. This became painfully obvious in the Lebanese civil war as well. The battle lines were religious and sectarian from the outset, and the support to the various factions by regional states exacerbated the religious divides. It also led for the first time, to the existence of a credible guerrilla movement that was overtly religious in its ideology in the shape of Hezbollah, which remains the most credible armed opposition to israel and the most powerful militia in Lebanon. Similarly, Hamas has long since eclipsed the PLO as the main opposition to israel in the occupied territories and is regarded by none other than the head of research of Shin Bet (israeli intelligence agency) as “an authentic product of Palestinian society under israeli rule, more so than the PA”. The rise of suicide bombings is clear proof of the prevalence of an extremist ideology The weaknesses of the Crusader kingdom and the modern state of israel are also similar.. The Kingdom of Jerusalem would never overcome its geographical isolation from Europe, nor would it ever push far enough east to create an easily defensible front. For almost its entire history the kingdom was confined to the narrow strip of land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River, almost exactly mirroring the present day borders of israel; land beyond this was subject to constant raids and warfare. As we have seen and continue to see, israel’s overweening military superiority is no guarantee of security. Along with international pressure, it was incessant guerilla attacks that forced a withdrawal from the Sinai, just as repeated strikes into Lebanon have done nothing to increase israel’s security and have in fact increased resistance to israel. Even within the West Bank and Gaza, no amount of israeli firepower has had any effect in stopping the violence. Of course, in the modern era, geographical isolation is no longer a factor. While the crusaders could be easily cut off from their sources of supply in Europe, israel is under no such constraints. While the crusaders could only count of sporadic spurts of support from Europe, israel has gained from sustained and coordinated support, as in the Suez crisis when Egypt had to face combined israeli-Anglo-French operations. Moreover, just as the Crusaders decided to secure their position by means of a political alliance with the then superpower, the Byzantine Empire, so has israel long since cemented its alliance with the USA. The alliance with Byzantine was based on common interests, with the Byzantine emperor looking on the kingdom as a bulwark against his long-term Muslim rivals. So is the US-israel alliance based on the perception of common interests; the existence of israel provides the USA with a permanent outpost in the Middle East. The difference is that while the alliance with Byzantine was more an agreement between the crusader king and the Byzantine emperor, israel’s alliance with the USA is institutional and apparently unshakeable. The real dangers to the crusaders were two-fold: For one, in order to maintain military and economic strength, a constant supply of men and material from their European allies was essential. However, once the actual conquest had taken place, the only way to ensure this supply was if there was a perception that the Holy Land was in danger of being lost. As such, peace with the surrounding Muslim rulers would result in a drying up of aid for the crusaders. The other danger was ideological in nature. If the crusaders settled permanently in the lands they had occupied and achieved peace with their neighbours, what was to prevent them being absorbed into the greater middle east? The political structure of the Kingdom of Jerusalem was close to the feudal setup that prevailed in Europe at the time, just as the political setup of israel is similar to the parliamentary democracy system prevailing in the west. The vassalage system that the Crusaders imported into the Middle East gave a great deal of power to the local lords, who often ruled their fiefs as independent of the King in Jerusalem. This led to a dilution of the zeal of the crusaders since, despite the efforts to repopulate the area with local Christians and Franks, the areas ruled by the crusader lords remained mostly Muslim and the original fanaticism of the crusaders had to be replaced with a more pragmatic approach. This approach did not sit well with those, such as the Knights Templar, who considered themselves to be the ideological guardians of the kingdom. This group and its allies successfully thwarted any attempt to achieve a long-term rapprochement. Evidence suggests that even the great Saladin bin Ayubbi was quite content to let the Crusader kingdom survive as a buffer between him and his rivals. It was the provocation from the Knights Templar, who broke repeated truces, attacked a caravan escorting Saladin’s sister and even attempted to attack Mecca that finally caused him to take decisive action. Were it not for the fanaticism of the Templars, who had become a state within a state, the kingdom of Jerusalem may well have become an accepted part of the fabric of the Middle East. This too, is the situation faced by israel today. Despite efforts to bolster the Jewish population, israel retains a large and growing Arab population in israel proper. Over time, demographic trends indicate that this population will grow to such an extent that it will have a sizable presence in the israeli Knesset. At that stage, israel will be faced with the choice of continuing as a Jewish state or a democratic state, chances are that it will no longer be able to continue as both. However, this will never be allowed to take place, because standing in the way of this development are the Templars of our time: the hard-line Zionists in the israeli army, the and the intelligence agencies and indeed, in the corridors of power in Washington. For these groups, the ideological purity of israel is paramount and in their view peace equals death for israel, or at the very least a loss of power and influence for themselves. They are correct; if a state of peace begins to prevail in the Middle East, there will come a time when international Jewry will no longer be willing to blindly support israel’s actions. At that stage even israel’s supporters in Washington will be hard-pressed to explain why israel needs so much military aid if it is truly at peace. A fair and just settlement of the Palestine issue will also pull the rug out from under the extremist elements in the Muslim world, whose existence provides both israel and the USA ample excuses to intervene in the region. For these precise reasons, the Zionist extremists and their allies will continue to thwart any chance for peaceful reconciliation and continue to indulge in provocations such as collective punishment and strikes into civilian areas which will in turn lead to more uncompromising resistance in the shape of attacks and suicide bombings. After all, for the Zionist establishment a few Jewish civilian casualties are a small price to pay for an unending war and the perpetuation of an imperialist agenda. The ending of the crusades carries a severe warning for us today, which israel, the USA and the entire Muslim world should pay heed to. It was the depredations of the crusaders that fomented Muslim unity. The crusades gave rise to Zengi, then Nur-e-din and finally Saladin, all of whom sought first to unite the Muslims and then move against the crusaders. However, these were all people with whom a peaceful compromise was possible. When the crusaders, convinced of their military superiority and that God was with them, overextended themselves they were utterly defeated by the humane and highly civilized Saladin, who then proceeded to retake Jerusalem in 1187 CE. In an exceptional act, he allowed the civilians to go free, exacting no reprisals and permitting no looting. Just as israel today will not accept a just peace, so did the Crusades continue despite the magnanimity of Saladin, who allowed Christian pilgrimages to continue. The result was that the next great ruler to emerge in the Muslim world to oppose the crusaders was Sultan Baibars of the mamluks. When Jerusalem fell again to the Mongol allies of the crusaders, Baibars showed no mercy. There were massacres of civilians and entire populations of Frankish who had settled in the region were sold into slavery, so much so that a chronicler recounts that ‘a lily-white Frankish woman could not sell in the bazaar for more than a penny.’ Baibars was not merciful to his allies either, and went on to murder both the Caliph and the Sultan he nominally served. With israel destroying all its Palestinian negotiating partners in succession, first the PLO and now Hamas, they are paving the way for an uncompromising extremist ideology to take hold across the Middle East. While Hamas gained power by following the rules of democracyand would have tacitly accepted the existence of israel, Islamic Jihad has no such agenda. israel’s assault on Lebanon, far from destroying Hezbollah, will push the majority of the Lebanese, and indeed the majority of the entire muslim world population into Hezbollah’s arms. It is no accident that Osama Bin Laden and his followers constantly evoke the Crusades in their speeches against the Arab rulers and the West. With the Muslim rulers discredited, the propaganda of Jihad against the invaders has passed onto groups like Al-Qaeda. To those who feel that the Muslim world is too weak and disunited, I would like to remind them that when Baibars took power around 1250 CE, all that remained of the Muslim world was Egypt, the rest having been destroyed by the Mongols. Even the US occupation of Iraq cannot compare to the destruction of Baghdad by the Mongol Hulaku Khan. Nevertheless, within 300 years of Baibars the Muslim Turks had taken Constantinople and were hammering at the gates of Vienna. israel and its allies, and indeed all warmongers, would do well to remember that while a Saladin appears only once a millennium, there is no shortage of Baibars’ waiting to drown their enemies in blood.
  18. How To Unblock?

    :sl: Hi all, I have accidentally blocked good old Thezman from pming me. How do I reverse this?
  19. Swiss Move To Ban Minarets

    No he read it allright, but give up a (not so) good reason to bash the West? Naaaah.....
  20. Ex-china Drug Regulator To Be Executed

    :sl: Good one. I wish we could do something like this here in Pakistan except that we'd lose about 80% of the civil and military bureaucracy.
  21. Ht - Un-islamic?

    :sl: Actually if you do a little digging you'll find that a great many scholars have unfavourable opinions about HT
  22. Hamas

    Well, I did a little intensive research (googled Stern gang) and found some hits on Deir Yassin. Try it out.
  23. Swiss Move To Ban Minarets

    You took the bait... :sl: Look people, just because the swiss have an issue with minarets does NOT mean that you can diss churches. I myself am quite fond of churches, especially after I saw The Omen as a wee child. But yes, the cross does remind me of maths and that scares the life out of me.
  24. Swiss Move To Ban Minarets

    Lol ur hilarious! I'm sure you prefer the baroque beauty of trailer parks. And people...would it be too much to expect no one to take the bait?
  25. Swiss Move To Ban Minarets

    :sl: Hey everyone! I was reading this book last night and came across a passage that is pretty appropriate: "Man's inhumanity to man never appears so clearly as when a group of people feels that someone is threatening the basis of the values by which that group lives. Fear dissolves the bonds of humanity and lets loose the ultimate cruelty." Cool huh? BTW the book is "The myth of Rome's fall" By R.M.Haywood and the passage was related to the treatment of early Christians by the pagan Romans. The more things change eh?