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  1. Question To Those Who Oppose "islamic Fundamentals"

    So tell us how the U.S. made out by spending a few trillion dollars going to war with Iraq. And no one has ever been able to prove the U.S. is stealing oil anywhere, because it never happened. It just sounds cool to say it.
  2. Syria Fires On Israeli Jets

    Assad is an alien ?? From what planet ?
  3. Syria Fires On Israeli Jets

    So the U.S. should 'destroy' the Mexican illegal aliens ?
  4. Question To Those Who Oppose "islamic Fundamentals"

    The war in Iraq was Done to :- 1. Remove Saddam 2. Create a democratic government 3. The most infamous, to remove WMD's A. 4. All of the above Where, the US led us to believe, Saddam Hussein could destroy anything he wanted, and could destroy USA and and all other "democratic nations" easily You seem to be the only person to think Sadaam could do all that. Now, in recent events, with G.W.Bush admitting the war was wrong, and that there werre no WM's tehre. After all the lies have unfolded. G.W.B. NEVER said the war was a mistake. Show me that quote. Why is it, that USA is refraining to attack N. korea ? The only people who were saying the U.S. was going to attack was N.K. They do this to keep thier peoples minds off the fact that they are slowly starving because thier leader is inept and spending what little money they do have on arms. Or is it the fact that USA know IRaq does not, and never did have any real weapon of mass destruction ? Either you do or don't have W.M.D.s. There is no 'real' or 'unreal' weapons. Iraq DID have W.M.D.s. The U.S. found them. It was all over the news this week. See my post on it. oh how i wait to see what drivvle some members will come out with Stop using the word 'drivel' if you can't spell it, please.
  5. Question To Those Who Oppose "islamic Fundamentals"

    I always hear that ' U.S. started war to steal oil ' baloney. It makes for a good sound bite but just isn't true. Where did the U.S. steal oil ? Kuwait ? Bosnia ? We must be the worst thieves in the world to pay $71 a barrel for something we are supposed to be stealing.
  6. Question To Those Who Oppose "islamic Fundamentals"

    N.K. doesn't have two nickels to rub together. Iraq, with its oil had much more money. Attacking N.K. would be much harder because of the closeness of Seoul. It is well within the range of the norths artillery. Besides, the only one saying the U.S. will invade is the North Koreans. As I mentioned earlier, they do this 'the boogeyman's coming' act to get the N.K. peoples attention away from thier rumbling, empty bellies because thier government (one 'tyrant- for- life', just like Irans Ayatollah. And wait to see if Hugo Chavez of Venesuela allows elections again) is spending the little bit of money they do have from counterfeitting U.S. $100 bills and what-not on arms. All this war talk on N.K. s part is a way of getting attention. Like a little kid. I think the best thing we could do is to stop sending them aid ( why would an 'invader' send aid to the supposed 'invadee' ?) and just ignore them. They need the world much more than the world needs them.
  7. Syria Fires On Israeli Jets

    I don't think they were gunning for Assad, this time. Maybe next time
  8. Syria Fires On Israeli Jets

  9. Insurgents Showing Sense ?

    I don't think we'll fall for thier 'give us some time to rest, we're tired' request. I suspect the U.S. will just go back to kicking 'mujjie' a**.
  10. Canadian Citizen Facing Execution In China

    And you guys are always so down on the U.S ! Where is that good old hate for China ?
  11. Question To Those Who Oppose "islamic Fundamentals"

    My point was that the U.S. doesn't really have to do anything. North Korea does provocative things to get the Wests attention and to improve thier position when they do decide to negotiate. The biggest slap we could give them is to ignore them. Let them 'whither on the vine', so to speak. And while ignoring them, thier people will starve because N.K. is a failed state that can't even feed thier own . All this 'sabre rattling' and war talk is a way for N.K. to distract thier people from the fact that they are a 'bankrupt' country run by an inept despot. But they have the money to build nukes, though.
  12. Next We Take Tehran

    I hate not being able to edit. It's ROBERT Dreyfuss. My mistake.
  13. Next We Take Tehran

    Mother Jones. The communist rag. Very nice. And by the way, it's RICHARD Dreyfuss.
  14. Islamist Group Protests World Cup

    Goof-balls !!!
  15. Question To Those Who Oppose "islamic Fundamentals"

    edited by thezman with diverdown's request on 6/28/06
  16. israel Rules Out Negotiating for Abducted Soldier Monday, June 26, 2006 JERUSALEM — israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ruled out negotiations to free a captured israeli soldier Monday as his nation's tanks and troops gathered along the Gaza Strip border in anticipation of an operation against Palestinian militants. "This is not a matter of negotiations, this is not a matter of bargaining," Olmert told a group of Jewish leaders in Jerusalem. Cpl. Gilad Shalit, a dual French-israeli citizen, was seized by Palestinian gunmen in a cross-border raid on Sunday. Olmert said the attack and the capture of the soldier were evidence of extremist Muslim desires to destroy the state of israel. CountryWatch: israel He said israel withdrew "completely" from Gaza last year, and "anyone who fires from the other side of the border, anyone who caries out any attack against israeli citizens, does so from a fanatical desire to destroy the Jewish state." Earlier, Olmert called the troop deployment the beginning of a "broad and ongoing" operation against Palestinian militants. Officials on both sides have been working diplomatic channels since Shalit's abduction. In the first word from the captors, three militant groups demanded Monday that israel release all Palestinian women and minor prisoners in exchange for the soldier. A spokesman for one of the Hamas-linked groups said the message was authentic. Speaking to a tourism conference in Jerusalem, Olmert said israel's patience was wearing thin and that he held the entire Palestinian leadership responsible for Shalit's safety. "I gave the orders to our military commanders to prepare the army for a broad and ongoing military operation to strike the terrorist leaders and all those involved," he said. "It should be clear. There will be immunity for no one." But israel was not expected to launch a large operation as long as there was a chance of bringing the soldier home, and Olmert's language, referring to preparations, reflected that. Militants affiliated with the ruling Hamas party and tiny allied factions abducted Shalit early Sunday after tunneling into israel and attacking a military post. Two other soldiers were killed, and three militants died in an ensuing shootout. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas was working intensely with Egyptian mediators, Arab and Western leaders to locate the soldier, officials said, while a spokesman for the rival Hamas-led Palestinian government said he had information Shalit was alive and urged his captors to keep him safe. Abbas, joined by senior security advisers, was monitoring the situation from a special situation room, officials said. Despite Abbas' ongoing efforts to pressure his Hamas rivals into moderation, Olmert said he blamed the entire Palestinian leadership, including the president, responsible for the spiraling violence. "It should be clear that we see the Palestinian Authority on all its levels, from the chairman on downward, as the responsible element for this operation and all that happens from it," Olmert said, referring to Abbas. Earlier Monday, israel massed special units, tanks and infantry troops along the border with Gaza. Palestinian lawmaker Saeb Erekat, a close aide to Abbas, called for restraint "at a time when President Abbas is exerting maximum efforts in order to acquire the release of the soldier, alive and unharmed." The tensions have raised the possibility that israel could renew its policy of assassinating Hamas political leaders, a practice israel halted after a February 2005 cease-fire. Hamas lawmaker Mushir al-Masri warned israel against any "stupid acts." "This will blow up the area again," he said. "We also warn the Zionists against assassinating any leader because we believe the armed wings of the resistance groups will not remain silent." The kidnapping delivered a blow to Abbas' efforts to coax Hamas into accepting a plan that implicitly recognizes israel. Abbas, elected separately last year, has endorsed the plan in the hope of lifting crippling economic sanctions against Hamas and opening the way for new peace talks. It also has exposed divisions within Hamas' ranks. The group maintains separate political and military wings, and political leaders based in Syria are more extreme than many of the leaders in the West Bank and Gaza. Ghazi Hamad, spokesman for the Hamas government, said the political leadership was not warned ahead of time of the assault plans. However, he called talk of a split in Hamas "a big lie." He said Hamas was working with Abbas and Egypt to resolve the situation. "I think we are interested in avoiding any confrontation or bloodshed," he told The Associated Press. In an earlier radio interview, Hamad said he believed the soldier is still alive and appealed for his safe release. Hamad spoke to israel's Army Radio station in Hebrew, which he learned in israeli prison. A senior israeli army officer told the soldier's family that he was taken alive, but there was evidence that he was wounded. His farther said he had been told the soldier was wounded but apparently not seriously. A high-ranking military intelligence official, Yossi Beidatz, told a parliamentary committee Monday that Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas was in close contact with Hamas' Syria-based leader, Khaled Mashaal, and Shalit's captors to secure his immediate release, said lawmaker Ran Cohen. Committee chairman Tzachi Hanegbi said Olmert told him he would not negotiate with the kidnappers. Shalit was the first israeli soldier captured by Palestinian militants in 12 years, and the fate of the quiet, bespectacled teen gripped the country. Large pictures of Shalit's boyish face appeared on the front pages of local newspapers. "Bring Gilad Home," said the banner headline of Yediot Ahronot, the country's largest daily. Military officials said elite brigades and armored forces, backed by tanks, were sent to the frontier, where thousands of soldiers are regularly deployed. Troops sent into Gaza after the attack blew up the tunnel used by the infiltrators, sending a huge pillar of black smoke into the air. Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni asked U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan to press Abbas, the Palestinian president, to secure Shalit's release. On Monday, Livni convened an urgent session of foreign ambassadors from U.N. Security Council member states to urge them to use any leverage with the Palestinian Authority to bring about the soldier's release, ministry spokesman Mark Regev said. "If our serviceman is released immediately, that will do much to de-escalate the crisis," he said. In Tel Aviv, the French Embassy confirmed the soldier holds French citizenship and said Paris was working to win his release. Shalit's family broke its silence on Monday to plead with his captors to treat him humanely and to remember he has a loving family who misses him dearly. Noam Shalit, in an interview with Associated Press Television, described his son as a quiet, helpful boy who followed his older brother into the military's armored corps. "The only thing we have left right now is hope, nothing more," he said. In Gaza City, dozens of relatives of the 8,000 Palestinians held in israeli prisons urged militants to hold Shalit until israel agrees to a large-scale release of jailed Palestinians. "Kidnap a soldier and free 100 in return," the crowd said. "Twist the Zionists' hands. Hope they can learn." In Ramallah, relatives of Palestinian prisoners demanded that their leaders insist on release of all the prisoners in exchange for the soldier. The Associated Press contributed to this report. FOXNEWS Looks like Hamas is in for an a** kicking if they don't give that guy back. And I don't think they'll give him back.
  17. Israel Won't Negotiate / Hamas In Deep ....

    You are expressing yourself now, and the 'thought police' haven't taken you away, I assume. Calling me 'rubbish' is a form of expression. When I asked where you live, I didn't mean in a physical sense. I asked more about your way of thinking. Are you a 'democrat', allowing people to express thier views ? Or are you a 'totalitarian', in as if someone says something you don't like, your reaction is to 'sweep the rubbish' away ? I think the latter.
  18. Israel Won't Negotiate / Hamas In Deep ....

    WOW ! Don't like opposing points of view too much, do we ? And the name-calling. How funny !! In a democracy, everyone gets to express thier opinion. In a totalitarian society, 'rubbish' gets swept away. Where do you live ?
  19. Next We Take Tehran

    You're not talking Richard Dryfus the actor, are you ? First Charlie Sheen and now this ? Please !! P.S. What is your source ?
  20. Iranian Minister: Wmd Outlawed In Islam

    An Iranian minister told Indonesia's vice president Tuesday that his country has no plans to develop nuclear weapons because Islamic law outlaws the development of weapons of mass destruction Yeah. Right. I believe him. NOT !!
  21. Israel Won't Negotiate / Hamas In Deep ....

    If israel didn't have some sort of patience, there wouldn't be any Palestinians left. Or Syrians, Iranians and Lebanese, either.
  22. Israel Won't Negotiate / Hamas In Deep ....

    Bombing an electric plant and bridges is NOT against the Geneva Convention. Besides, you need a DECLARED war for the G.C. to apply.
  23. Syrian Prez 'on The List' ?

    Syrian leader’s home buzzed to win release of soldier taken by Palestinians Mohammed Salem / Reuters Updated: 2 hours, 10 minutes ago DAMASCUS, Syria - Air defenses fired on israeli warplanes that entered Syrian airspace early Wednesday and forced them to flee, state TV said as Mideast tensions escalated over the kidnapping of an israeli soldier by Palestinian militants. State-run Syrian television said two israeli planes flew near Syria’s Mediterranean coast early Wednesday, and “national air defenses opened fire in the direction of the planes, and they dispersed.†The announcement did not mention a claim by israeli military officials that the fighter jets buzzed the summer residence of President Bashar Assad in the coastal city of Latakia. The officials said on condition of anonymity that Assad was targeted because of the “direct link†between Syria and Hamas, the Palestinian militant group holding Cpl. Gilad Shalit, 19, in the Gaza Strip. Syria hosts Khaled Meshaal, Hamas’ exiled supreme leader. “The overflight by two israeli planes near the Syrian shores is an aggressive act and a provocation,†the television news said, quoting an Information Ministry official it did not identify. Fighter jets also knocked out electricity and water supplies for most of the 1.3 million residents of the Gaza Strip. Three bridges also were destroyed to keep militants from moving Shalit. No casualties have been reported since the offensive began early Wednesday. The army sent tanks and thousands of troops into Gaza. Gathering storm Tensions escalated Wednesday evening as the military fired artillery near Gaza City — the first time israel has targeted that area during the offensive. There were no reports of injuries or damage, and the army said it was testing artillery units and had not fired at a specific target. Residents of northern Gaza, preparing for what they feared could be a long military operation, stocked up on food, candles and batteries for radios as a minister warned of a “humanitarian crisis.†The White House continued pressuring Hamas, saying it was the responsibility of the Palestinian government to “stop all acts of violence and terror.†But the United States also urged israel to show restraint. “In any actions the government of israel may undertake, the United States urges that it ensures that innocent civilians are not harmed, and also that it avoid the unnecessary destruction of property and infrastructure,†White House press secretary Tony Snow said. First ground offensive It was israel’s first ground offensive since pulling its soldiers and settlers out of Gaza last summer. israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said israel would not balk at “extreme action†to bring Cpl. Gilad Shalit, 19, home but did not intend to reoccupy Gaza. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas deplored the incursion as a “crime against humanity,†and a leading Hamas politician issued a call to arms against the israeli troops. Meanwhile, concerns about the fate of a missing West Bank settler grew after militants claiming to hold him displayed what they said was a copy of his identification card. Also, a group affiliated with Abbas’ Fatah party claimed to hold a third israeli and threatened to attack an unspecified israeli embassy within days. israeli tanks and soldiers began taking up positions east of Rafah overnight under cover of tank shells, witnesses and Palestinian security officials said. Capt. Jacob Dallal, a military spokesman, said troops moved a mile inside the coastal strip. He said the army was prepared for a long operation, and “everything is on the table.†israeli warplanes fired at least nine missiles at Gaza’s only power station, cutting electricity to 65 percent of the Gaza Strip, engineers at the station said. The station’s three functioning turbines and a gasoline reservoir were engulfed in flames. Wasfi Kabha, the Palestinian minister of prisoner affairs, said the israeli attacks were creating a “humanitarian crisis.†“They hit the bridges, they hit the power station, so there will be a problem in water supply and health services,†he told the British Broadcasting Corp. Areas in northern Gaza that receive electricity from israel still had power, and generators relieved darkness in other places. Impairing 'the ability of the terrorists' The israeli military said three bridges were attacked “to impair the ability of the terrorists to transfer the kidnapped soldier.†Knocking down the bridges cut Gaza in two, Palestinian security officials said. Witnesses reported heavy artillery shelling near the long-closed Gaza airport outside of Rafah. Warplanes flew low over the strip. Fighter jets repeatedly fired missiles at open fields in northern and southern Gaza in a show of force, the military said. Two missiles hit empty Hamas training camps, witnesses said. Separately, israel attacked a rocket-making factory in the area. “We won’t hesitate to carry out extreme action to bring Gilad back to his family,†Olmert said. “All the military activity that started overnight will continue in the coming days. “We do not intend to reoccupy Gaza. We have one objective, and that is to bring Gilad home.†The militants who seized Shalit have demanded the release of hundreds of Palestinian women and children held in israeli jails in exchange for information about Shalit. Olmert repeated that israel will not negotiate with militants. Later, the Palestinian Information Ministry said it was “natural logic†to carry out a prisoner exchange. “Previous israeli governments have done so ... and this is what other countries do in conflict situations,†the statement said. High-ranking Hamas officials in exile also demanded a prisoner exchange. If israelis do not negotiate a swap, Palestinians militants will conclude “that they should capture more soldiers,†Hamas’ representative in Lebanon, Osama Hamdan, said. “The message for the resistance is to kill soldiers, even if they have the opportunity to capture them,†he said. Shalit was captured Sunday during an attack on a southern israeli military post by militants affiliated with the Palestinians’ ruling Hamas party. israel believes the group’s Syria-based leaders ordered the operation. israeli Justice Minister Haim Ramon said Hamas’ Syria-based political chief, Khaled Mashaal, was “not immune†from israeli reprisal. “Khaled Mashaal, as someone who is overseeing, actually commanding the terror acts, is definitely a target,†Ramon told Army Radio. The station interpreted his comments as meaning Mashaal was a target for assassination. israel tried to kill Mashaal in a botched attempt in Jordan in 1997. Two Mossad agents injected Mashaal with poison but were caught. As Mashaal lay dying in a Jordanian hospital, King Hussein forced israel to provide the antidote in return for releasing the Mossad agents. Ramon told israel Radio in a separate interview that he believed diplomacy had run its course. Abbas deplored the israeli invasion, calling it “collective punishment and a crime against humanity,†and he urged the United States and other international negotiators to intervene, according to a statement. An aide said Abbas called Syrian President Bashar Assad to ask him to persuade Mashaal to free the soldier. Assad promised to do so, the aide said on condition of anonymity because he was discussing private talks. Deputy Prime Minister Nasser Shaer of Hamas said his government, too, was trying to resolve the situation diplomatically. “We call for an immediate halt to the invasion, and urge that the soldier’s life be spared,†Shaer said. Residents cooped inside The normally bustling streets in southern Gaza, where the invasion was launched, were eerily deserted, with people taking refuge inside their homes. The Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt — Gaza’s main link to the outside world — has been closed since Sunday. israeli troops, backed by tanks, took over the Gaza airport. Dozens of people living near the airport left their homes, seeking sanctuary in nearby Rafah. A small grocery near the airport was open, but no one was inside except owner Allah Abu Jazr. “We want the soldier to return home, just as we want our prisoners to come home,†Abu Jazr, 45, said. Militants said they fired rockets early Wednesday at several israeli targets, including Nahal Oz, the israeli forces’ staging area. Another kidnapping reported Complicating matters was a new claim by the Popular Resistance Committees, one of the three groups that carried out Sunday’s assault, that it had also kidnapped a Jewish settler, 18-year-old Eliahu Asheri, in the West Bank. Outside a Gaza City Masjid, PRC militants displayed what they said was a copy of Asheri’s ID card and reiterated threats to kill him if israel did not end the invasion. The group also warned that it had just begun its campaign to seize soldiers. Separately, a statement obtained by the AP and signed by Abu Fouad, a spokesman for the Al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades in Gaza, said the group was holding an unidentified 62-year-old israeli from Rishon Lezion. The statement said the man was kidnapped Monday and that more evidence would be released later. israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said police had a missing persons report concerning a man identified as Noah Moskovitch. In a separate statement, Al Aqsa said it planned to attack an unspecified israeli embassy soon. © 2006 The Associated Press How freakin' great is that ? Nice message pitch. Syria is behind a lot of the terror stuff that goes on over there. Maybe thier free pass is over !
  24. Israel Won't Negotiate / Hamas In Deep ....

    Uh-Oh !! israeli Troops Knock Out Electricity in Gaza, Enter Strip Tuesday, June 27, 2006 GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — israeli troops entered southern Gaza and planes attacked two bridges and a power station, knocking out electricity in most of the coastal strip early Wednesday and stepping up pressure on Palestinian militants holding captive a 19-year-old israeli soldier. israeli troops began taking up positions in two locations east of the Gaza town of Rafah under the cover of tank shells, according to witnesses and Palestinian security officials. Palestinians dug in behind mounds of dirt, bracing for a major israeli offensive. The israeli strikes came amid intensive diplomatic efforts in the Arab world and by the United Nations. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged israel to "give diplomacy a chance." Trying to defuse building tensions, negotiators from the ruling Hamas movement said Tuesday they had accepted a document implicitly recognizing israel. But two Syrian-based Hamas leaders denied a final deal had been reached. israel said only freedom for the captive soldier, Cpl. Gilad Shalit, could defuse the crisis, not a political agreement. CountryWatch: israel The israeli military said in a statement that the object of the attacks on the bridges late Tuesday and early Wednesday was "to impair the ability of the terrorists to transfer the kidnapped soldier." Knocking down the bridges would cut Gaza in two, Palestinian security officials said. Early Wednesday, israeli planes fired at least nine missiles at Gaza's only power station, cutting electricity to much of the Gaza Strip, Palestinian security officials said. The station's three funtioning turbines and a gasoline reservoir were engulfed in enormous flames that firefighters were unable to control. The attack raised the specter of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, as water pumps in the strip are powered by electricity. israeli military officials said Prime Minister Ehud Olmert approved a "limited operation" for southern Gaza, aimed at "terrorist infrastructure." The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to reporters. Palestinian security forces said israeli tanks were on the move near the israeli village of Nahal Oz, a main israeli staging area just outside Gaza, but that they had not yet entered the territory. An Associated Press reporter saw tanks moving on the israeli side of the border fence. Some israeli troops crossed the border into southern Gaza, near the site of Sunday's militant attack in which Shalit was abducted. It was not immediately clear how many soldiers entered Gaza, though the army confirmed its soldiers were crossing the border. A number of israeli soldiers had been in Gaza since Sunday's assault. In the Shajaiyeh neighborhood of Gaza City, not far from the fence, armed militants took up positions across from the blaring headlights of israeli vehicles, and israeli attack helicopters hovered overhead. The roar of israeli fighter planes reverberated throughout Gaza City. The militants told residents to leave the area. They piled gasoline-soaked tires in the streets. Earlier, bulldozers blocked some of the main roads with piles of sand and dirt to try to slow down israeli tanks. There were no reports of casualties in the israeli strikes. Palestinian TV showed pictures of the first bridge hit, with fallen concrete blocks, twisted metal and protruding water pipes. Children walked in the wreckage. Shalit's abduction Sunday by Hamas' military wing and two other Hamas-linked groups has threatened to turn already devastated relations between israel and the Hamas-led government into an all-out war. Hamas took over the Palestinian Authority after winning parliamentary elections in January, and has been under international pressure to renounce violence and recognize israel. White House press secretary Tony Snow said he had only seen media accounts of the Hamas-Fatah accord, but reiterated that Hamas had to meet three conditions before a crippling aid boycott could be lifted. "Once again, we can all recite from memory now: recognize israel's right to exist, renounce terror, and abide by all past agreements. Those are the preconditions," Snow said in Washington. Complicating matters was a new claim by the Hamas-linked Popular Resistance Committees, one of the three groups that carried out Sunday's assault, that it had also kidnapped a Jewish settler in the West Bank. Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the report was being taken "very seriously," and military officials said there was "rising fears" the claim was true. The fate of the abducted soldier has riveted israelis, with Shalit's face plastered on newspapers and callers to talk shows praying for his safety. In an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press, Noam Shalit begged the captors of his wounded son's to provide medical care and asked "to hear his voice and to see his face." Olmert rejected the kidnappers' demands to free Palestinian prisoners and instead approved plans for a military push into Gaza. About 3,000 soldiers, along with tanks and armored vehicles, massed along israel's border with the territory, and commanders said they were awaiting orders to move in. Hamas' Web site said there were "back channel" negotiations with israel over a prisoner release. israeli military officials said a negotiating team has been activated, but declined to release further information. The kidnappers did not say where Shalit was being held or release any photos of him. israeli officials said they believed the soldier suffered light wounds to his stomach and was being held in southern Gaza. On Tuesday, for the first time since Sunday's assault, in which two israeli soldiers and two militants were killed, militants acknowledged they were holding Shalit and said he was alive. "The soldier is in a secure place that the Zionists cannot reach," said Mohammed Abdel Al, spokesman for the Popular Resistance Committees. He said his group also took a West Bank settler hostage. Mohammad Nazal, a Damascus-based member of the Hamas politburo, said the militant group would not agree to free the israeli soldier "without a deal." "No release without something in return," he told AP. "This is the popular demand and we cannot let down our people." israel's Channel 2 TV reported that international mediators involved in talks with the kidnappers had given up, saying negotiations were going nowhere. An Egyptian official concurred that talks with Hamas officials in Gaza were "on hold," but insisted negotiations were still taking place with Hamas leaders in Syria. Egyptian officials said their government asked Hamas to release the soldier and deployed 2,500 extra soldiers along the border with Gaza to prevent an influx of Palestinians if israel invaded. Egypt also imposed a nighttime curfew on residents along the border. Egypt's intelligence chief, Omar Suleiman, urged Hamas' Syria-based leader, Khaled Mashaal, to push for Shalit's release, the officials said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. The crisis touched off by the soldier's capture has caused widespread alarm among Arab countries worried about a flare-up in israeli-Palestinian tensions. Arab countries, worried about Hamas' ascendancy and especially the actions of its more militant wings, appeared to be trying to support Abbas as he worked to isolate the more militant arm of Hamas and forge ties with the political wing of Hamas. Abbas has been in touch with Arab leaders, including Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, King Abdullah II of Jordan and Saudi King Abdullah to discuss the latest crisis, said his aide, Nabil Abu Rdeneh. FOXNEWS
  25. Was Saddam Regime a Broker for Terror Alliances? Sunday, June 25, 2006 Ray Robison Prologue: Newly declassified documents captured by U.S. forces indicate that Saddam Hussein's inner circle not only actively reached out to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan and terror-based jihadists in the region, but also hosted discussions with a known Al Qaeda operative about creating jihad training "centers," possibly in Baghdad. Ray Robison, a former member of the CIA-directed Iraq Survey Group (ISG), supervised a group of linguists to analyze, archive and exploit the hundreds of captured documents and materials of Saddam's regime. This is the final installment in a three-part series concerning a notebook kept by an Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) agent called Khaled Abd El Majid, and covers events taking place in 1999. The translation is provided by Robison's associate, known here as “Sammi.†The first two translations from this notebook detailed an agreement between members of the Saddam regime and the Taliban to establish diplomatic and intelligence based cooperation. This final translation further advances the link between the Saddam regime and world-wide Islamic Jihad terrorism. The relationship between the Taliban and Saddam appears to have been mediated by a Pakistani named Maulana Fazlur Rahman. Another document captured in Afghanistan and written by an Al Qaeda operative confirms the relationship between the Maulana and Saddam. The translation provided here includes an early 1999 meeting between the director of the IIS and the Maulana. Another notebook entry records a meeting with Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an Afghani Islamic Jihadist and leader of the Islamic Party in Afghanistan. Hekmatyar made news recently with the BBC article Afghan Rebel’s pledge to al-Qaeda that reports on a video statement from Hekmatyar in which he states he will fight alongside A Qaeda. In this translation, Hekmatyar makes specific requests for a “center†in Baghdad and/or Tajikistan. A third meeting involves an Islamist representing Bangladesh that we believe to be Fazlur Rahman Khalil. Another page of the notebook indicates Khalil is coming or came to Iraq. Khalil is a Taliban/Al Qaeda associate who signed the 1998 fatwa from Usama bin Laden declaring war on the United States. Editor's notes: "Sammi" puts translation clarifications in parenthesis. Robison (RR) uses parenthesis for clarification and bold-face type for emphasis. Translation: Translation for ISGP-2003-0001412 follows (PDF): Page 70, Left Side: Saturday 3/20 at 11:45 Met with him Mr. MS4 (translator’s note: MS4 is the code name for the high ranking IIS official). 1. Intelligence and security cooperation. 2. Mr. MS4 informed him that the Iraqi president and Iraqi leadership are interested in him. 3. “We are ready to help you in any country and against your enemiesâ€. (translator’s note: most probably this is MS4) 4. Fadlul Haq - The governor of Peshawar that was assassinated. (translator’s note: points 5 and 6 are direct quotes from the Afghani) 5. “We are facing a vicious international plot against the Islamic Party and cannot find any country to help us at the time beingâ€. 6. “Iran helped us at the beginning and we brought 2,000 fighters but things changed at the time being. Also the Russians called to help but we do not trust them. Moscow and Iran want the war to drag on.†(RR: this is probably the Taliban vs. Northern Alliance conflict). This is why he is coming to Baghdad for help. Asked Baghdad to help open a center in Tajikistan or in Baghdad and they will bring them (translator’s note: not clear what them refers to) in through Iran or Northern Iraq. He asked for help in printing Afghani money in Baghdad or help in printing it in Moscow. Page 69, Right Side: Stinger missiles have a range of 5 kilometers. (translator’s note: there is only this one sentence on this page) Page 69, Left Side: Meeting of MS4 with 6951 on 4/10 at 8 p.m. in room 710. He (6951) inquired about our relation with Usama (bin Laden). (translator’s note: The Iraqi answer is not reported.). He (6951) proposed to the Taliban to form a front with Iraq, Libya and Sudan. He met some of them in Hajj (Translator’s note: Pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, it is one of the five pillars of Islam) and he came to the conclusion that they do not know anything about Foreign Relations. The Taliban defense minister is Abdul Razzak (unclear) Association of Muslim Clerics. They openly claim that they are against America. He said that he was ready to build relations between the Taliban and Iraq. (translator’s note: meeting continues on both sides of page 68/76, with questions about Pakistani politics and the other Islamic parties.) The Iraqi official says, “I suggest that the parties come closer together because that means power to Islam against the American and Zionist policiesâ€. Page 39, Left Side: Meeting with an Islamist leader from Bangladesh. He promises support to Iraq. He says: “Let them know that I made Bangladesh a second country to Mr. President and we have 125 million (people).†(RR: Although no name is given for this meeting, it is important to note Fazlur Rahman Khalil, noted for meeting with Iraqi officials in the previous article, signed the 1998 fatwa as “Fazlur Rahman, Amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladeshâ€. This is a strong indication that this meeting is with Khalil or his representative.) Page 27, Left side: (translator’s note: contains notes with information on prior meetings recorded in the notebook.) The mentioned person (Translator’s note: Fazlur Rahman) arrived to the country on 11/27/1999 and he was hosted in Al Rachid Hotel suite number 526. He will leave on 12/1/1999. (translator’s comment: note No. 1 in a list of notes.) He visited Iraq on the beginning of April 1999 and the ex-director of the intelligence, may God rest his soul, instructed him to mediate between the Taliban and the leader of the Afghani Islamic party, Hekmatyar following the request for mediation done by Hekmatyar to the leadership of Iraq during a visit when they met us on 3/19/1999. End Translation Analysis: Because Arabic writing is right to left, the pages in this notebook go in reverse chronological order. The note on page 27 indicates that Hekmatyar met with the IIS on March 19, 1999. The translation of page 70 is dated March 20 and it refers to someone from the Islamic Party, which is Hekmatyar’s group. Therefore it makes sense that the meeting on page 70 is with Hekmatyar. The note on page 27 also says the meeting was with the director if the IIS, so we believe MS4 is his code-name. It appears that Hekmatyar, a jihadist leader warring with the Taliban for control of Afghanistan at the time, asked Baghdad “to help open a center in Tajikistan or in Baghdad and they will bring them (translator’s note: not clear what them refers to) in through Iran or Northern Iraq.†There is a strong indication that this requested “center†is a jihadist training camp. From a US Department of State report Patterns of Global Terrorism, 1996: Gulbuddin Hekmatyar … maintained training and indoctrination facilities in Afghanistan, mainly for non-Afghans. They continue to provide logistic support and training facilities to Islamic extremists despite military losses in the past year. Individuals who trained in these camps were involved in insurgencies in … Tajikistan… It looks very much like Hekmatyar, a long-time jihad leader and recently self-identified Al Qaeda associate, is asking the Saddam regime for a jihad training camp in Tajikistan and/or Baghdad. Page 27 tells us that the Maulana Fazlur Rahman was meeting with the IIS Director in early April. The meeting on page 69 fits the time frame, has the code for the IIS director, and the guest speaks for the Taliban indicating that “6951†is the Maulana. According to these notes, the Maulana “proposed to the Taliban to form a front with Iraq, Libya and Sudan.†He also enquires about the IIS relationship to Usama bin Laden. In researching the Maulana, a third document has been found that demonstrated the relationship between Saddam and the Maulana. The document which appears to be an IIS memo also mentions a relationship with Hekmatyar. There is no government authentication of the document. Because this document matches closely with what we find in the IIS agent notebook we will reference it so that the reader may decide. The article entitled Exclusive: Saddam Possessed WMD’s, Had Extensive Terror Ties states: A senior government official who is not a political appointee provided CNSNews with copies of the 42 pages of Iraqi Intelligence Service documents. The originals, some of which were hand-written and others typed, are in Arabic. CNSNews had the papers translated into English by two individuals separately and independent of each other. The CNS report includes a translation of a memo from the IIS to Saddam. The memo is dated January 25, 1993. The subject is IIS influence with two groups: the JUI, led by Maulana Fazlur Rahman; and, the Afghani Islamic Party led by Hekmatyar. These are the same two men meeting with the IIS in Baghdad in 1999, according to the notebook. The document states that the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) depended upon Pakistani support as well as foreign help from Iraq and Libya. It also mentions that the secretary general of the JUI has had a good relationship with the IIS since 1981, and that he is “ready for any missionâ€. The IIS document reported on by CNS News also states that the Islamic Party of Hekmatyar relies on Iraqi funding. It says the relationship has existed since 1989 and has improved under Hekmatyar’s leadership. Although this document has not yet been validated by the U.S, government, we can see very specific information, not publicly available before 2004, that matches what we find in the IIS notebook. It indicates a long history of Saddam regime support to Islamic jihad groups, and that the IIS considers them organizations that will take on missions for Iraq’s interests. Epilogue: Let’s review what we have learned from the IIS notebook. • We learned that in 1999 the IIS met with three significant leaders of Islamic jhad from Afghanistan: a warlord and Islamic jihadist; an Al Qaeda leader; and, a man known as the “Father of the Taliban.†• The Saddam regime and Taliban leadership agreed to diplomatic ties and a secret intelligence service relationship. They discussed security cooperation with Hekmatyar’s Islamic Jihad group. The Taliban representative also agreed to support the Saddam regime in Pakistan’s North-West Frontier, a region sympathetic to and actively involved with the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the world-wide Islamic jihad movement. An Islamist, most likely the Al Qaeda and Taliban affiliated Fazlur Rahman Khalil, promised the support of Bangladesh. • We see a request to the Saddam regime for a training center in Baghdad or Tajikistan from a jihad leader accused by the U.S. State Department during the Clinton Administration of running Islamic extremist training camps. • There is a discussion about transporting something into these centers, including a discussion that appears to mention surface-to-air missiles. • And, we have numerous statements of Islamic fidelity between Afghani jihad leaders and the Saddam regime, with many statements of mutual animosity towards the United States and intent to cooperate. This notebook thus provides significant evidence that the Saddam regime collaborated with and supported Islamic jihad elements in Afghanistan at a time when the Taliban and Al Qaeda were attacking United States citizens and their interests and plotting the 9/11 attacks. In this notebook, we see a Saddam Hussein actively seeking to expand his sphere of influence in a region at the heart of the world-wide Islamic jihad movement. This now-public relationship between Maulana Fazlur Rahman and Saddam Hussein deserves great scrutiny. As we researched the Maulana, a picture came into focus that our team was not looking to find: The Maulana is a senior leader of an affiliation of Pakistani groups supportive of Islamic jihad. These groups include the JUI and the Jamaat Islami (JI). The JUI provided direct support to both the planner and paymaster of the 9/11 attacks. The Pakistani government accused the JI of working with Al Qaeda. The Maulana mediated an intelligence pact between the IIS and the Taliban. Clearly, this evidence indicates that the Maulana was in a position to procure assistance from Iraq for the 9/11 attacks. Dr. Laurie Mylroie, an expert on Iraq, testified in front of the 9/11 commission in 2003: After al Qaeda moved to Afghanistan, Iraqi intelligence became deeply involved with it, probably, with the full agreement of Usama bin Ladin. Al Qaeda provided the ideology, foot soldiers, and a cover for the terrorist attacks; Iraqi intelligence provided the direction, training, and expertise… This notebook demonstrates that Islamic jihad leaders in Afghanistan were seeking IIS assistance and Saddam was giving them that assistance. The author welcomes your comment on the translation and analysis of this document. You can contact Ray Robison by emailing him at: saddamdossier[at]gmail.
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