Ron Shirt

Hi and thanks for your reply. I do think heinous is a very strong word to use for such a thing. Particularly as a crime invoking the death penalty by stoning! But if Muslims want to believe in that then it's up to them. But surely the word incest might replace the word adultery? As I've said, I can think of far worse things - what punishments might be devised for those unspeakable things? Regarding the suicide bombers: I agree that there are reasons behind them. But - and there are a few buts, I think once anyone gets inurred to violence and killing then they are on a very slippery slope. Thats why I have turned against Islam. Christianity and Buddhism seems far more compassionate than the fiery Qu'ran - too much like the old testement for my liking! regards, Ron

I have been interested in the country of Malta for some time now and have been told that modern Arabic speakers can understand modern day Maltese. But not vice versa. Malta was invaded by the ancient race of Phoenicians approx. 3000 years ago who apparrently spoke a form of Arabic. Can anyone confirm this regarding the language? regards, ron

As for suicide bombers? Everyone wants to not say a word about the hundreds of Muslim deaths every day thanks to drones, etc. But yet you come here and keep attacking Suicide bombers. I am not defending this but clearly if they had drones or tanks or F-16 Hornets they would not be doing it. A Palestinian man who just saw his entire family murdered in front of him and has no way of getting justice or to defend his family will turn to such things. But the problem is why are you attacking Suicide bombers for killing civilians(the ones that target civilians that is) but you have nothing to say about the drones and the daily death that they rain down on innocent Muslim civilians? Regarding the adultery issue, I admit I slightly got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I saw the 'crime' of adultery called a 'heinous crime'. Well, I can think of far more heinous crimes and I'm afraid I still find that judgement pretty shocking, given the world in which we live. But to turn to the main body of your post: Please don't say "I come here and keep attacking suicde bombers". In over 5 years on this forum, I would guess that I have mentioned suicide bombers about 3 times. Attacking suicide bombers! Imagine that. It's not true that I have nothing to say about the killing of innocent Muslims. Isn't it enough to condemn the killing of civilians in general? Actually I'd go further and condemn the killing of anyone or anything, but thats another matter. Violence breeds violence, hatred breeds hatred. Why is it that humanity cannot learn such a simple lesson? No, - one side preferably needs to completely annihilate the other side. Then there will be no more threat. isn't this a pretty simple truth? You started a topic here which you hoped would be provocative (I'd aready read about this in the newspapers, so it came as no surprise to me when I saw it). All I did was to wonder who started all this killing. And it is you, my friend who have attempted to divert attention away from the real question which I posed: how can it be that these bombers have got the Qu'ran so wrong that they can commit these acts? It's just a simple question which arose from the topic. Why start condeming me. Do you need a scapegoat? ron

Regarding the adultery issue, I admit I slightly got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I saw the 'crime' of adultery called a 'heinous crime'. Well, I can think of far more heinous crimes and I'm afraid I still find that judgement pretty shocking, given the world in which we live. But to turn to the main body of your post: Please don't say "I come here and keep attacking suicde bombers". In over 5 years on this forum, I would guess that I have mentioned suicide bombers about 3 times. Attacking suicide bombers! Imagine that. It's not true that I have nothing to say about the killing of innocent Muslims. Isn't it enough to condemn the killing of civilians in general? Actually I'd go further and condemn the killing of anyone or anything, but thats another matter. Violence breeds violence, hatred breeds hatred. Why is it that humanity cannot learn such a simple lesson? No, - one side preferably needs to completely annihilate the other side. Then there will be no more threat. isn't this a pretty simple truth? You started a topic here which you hoped would be provocative (I'd aready read about this in the newspapers, so it came as no surprise to me when I saw it). All I did was to wonder who started all this killing. And it is you, my friend who have attempted to divert attention away from the real question which I posed: how can it be that these bombers have got the Qu'ran so wrong that they can commit these acts? It's just a simple question which arose from the topic. Why start condeming me. Do you need a scapegoat? ron

I really don't have a clue as to what it is I've said to upset you. Surely if you can see what you call 'childish errors' in my post and I don't know to what you are referring then you perhaps might feel obligated to inform me. This is a civilised forum - I was lead to believe. regards, ron

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I don't believe you need to be rude and dissmissive. What do you mean by: "There is a limit of stupidity, but when stupidity reaches it's pinnacle- post of such quality is seen".? Please explain. There are plenty of ordinary people like myself who have been amazed and appalled by the number of suicide bombings there have been; we cant help but be appalled but feel unable to do anything about them. I accept what you say, that if one is Muslim then one must acccept that the Qur'an as the infallible word of God. I'm not saying I myself can agree with that but I accept that that is what Muslims believe. Why turn this into a personal attack on me? I was simply trying to find out more about the mindset of a suicide bomber: therefore I repeat: "But I wonder why it is that so many Muslims do not or will not accept what must be a very well known dictate from the Qu'ran, i.e. that as you say, suicide is forbidden and that which causes harm to innocent people. Do they think the Qur'an is simply wrong or do they think they can bend the rules because of the verses mentioning 'Jihad'?" I would really like to know what the reasons are! You seem to be trying to twist my post to mean that I think the majority of Muslims are to blame for suicide bombings. Why? I don't believe that at all. But I have noticed that, much as many Muslims must squirm, many may also think that suicide bombings are tolerable. Could you be so good as to explain what a 'trolling attitude' is? Is this the latest buzz word on this forum? How and what am I supposed to be trying to be 'fooling Muslims' into? You are coming over as being paranoid. regards, ron

I see. So I was wondering why you posted a picture of what looks like a Saturn 5 rocket. What sort of Gamma ray bursts cause the Jinn problems? What sort of problems? Is this mentioned in the Qur'an? Also, I can't see or hear any mention of Jinns or devils in your latest video posting regards, ron

Yes, there is a huge amount of work to be done in the Muslim world it would seem. Also in virtually every other country. But generally in Europe say, it is a very infrequent occurrance for mass bombings to take place. But when you say 'an amazingly small minority' of Muslims have comitted (suicide) bombings then it should be remembered that their victims have proably been many more than 10 dead for every bomber. Sometimes the numbers running into hundreds. But I wonder why it is that so many Muslims do not or will not accept what must be a very well known dictate from the Qu'ran, i.e. that as you say, suicide is forbidden and that which causes harm to innocent people. Do they think the Qur'an is simply wrong or do they think they can bend the rules because of the verses mentioning 'Jihad'? regards, ron

This is true, that there are good people and bad people, religious or not. But you must be blind (or very young) to not have noticed the extraordinary rise in the numbers of suicide bombings over the last 10 -20 years, by so-called muslims. Thats why they have become infamous for it. Or would you blame this upon some other group (i.e. not Sunni or Shia Muslims or Wahabis or other 'sects' coming under the blanket of Islam)? regards, ron

I sorry to have to remind you that quite recently 'Younes' an IF Guardian called adultery a 'henious' crime for which the appropriote punishment would be stoning to death. "A heinous punishment for a heinous crime" was what he said. What do you have to say about that? regards, ron

You think that Jinn are being sent into space? r

Sorry, who's discussing the Quran? ron

Are you saying you don't blame the Iranians as a whole (or whatever fragment of them started kicking off)? I can't quite see the difficulty that Muslims seem to have with the use of the word terrorism - although of course I can see that it could be used against the Americans in the way they accept 'collateral damage', This has always been a problem with war, of course, much more worrying and unacceptable when civilians are deliberately targetted. A relatively new tactic of war of course, so far as I know. en masse, is 'Suicide bombers', to my knowledge first (generally perhaps) came to being with Japanese Kamikasi bombers during world war 2. I don't know if that's where Muslims got the idea, but they certainly use that method of serious objection to things they don't like on many, many occaisions nowadays, often against each other. This is virtually never mentioned on the forum at all. Regards, ron

Sorry, so I assumed ........ ron