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  1. Assalaamu aleikum. Realizing these parts of bible supporting Islam convinced me finally to accept Islam, after I had started to read Koran and to study Islam, and then started to read bible again from totally new perspective (to confirm my new faith, and to convince few inqvisitors trying to convert me back to christianity about my faith by authority that even they would accept). I think that I were first to came up with these interpretations. When I was something like 12 years old, I were wondering deeply and hard what could be message and meaning in that Matt.20:1-16 parallel, as I noticed that there is definitely some kind of time schedule. I tried to fit it with Abraham, Judaism and Christianity, but I did not succeed as I forgot to try Islam with it. I can post here below your post these same writings without links to other Islamic forums and to my own web-site (I did not understand from "new singature rules" if it is forbidden to add link to your own web-sites, as it is not "another Islamic forum"), if that is not allowed. So please place my writing(s) here or "refuting non-Muslims" sections (or to both, I concider these writings to be very important as among only few reasonable evidence about prophecies on coming of Islam in bible), with or without links / signature, as you wish. But I also think that my writings come in a one pack, so my wish would be that if someone is seeking for truth and gets interested about what I am telling about Bible, it would not do harm if he could read also rest of my writings (I have such restrictions that I can not post to "refuting non-Muslims" section f.ex. for some reason). By the way, if you write into Google "Jesus prophesied" (or "Jesus prophesied Islam") as in English or write "Jesus prophecied (Islam)" as in Spanish/German, these my writings comes up. It has been like that for over a year now. So here I am, only MALE "convert" here in Capital of Finland´s Lapland, Rovaniemi (as far as I know, not much Muslim activities here, besides small prayer-house not well known by public), in Arctic Circle, land of midnight sun at summer and total darkness at winter, in my base for dawa´h at top of the world, computer as my only weapon. Wa aleikum salaam.
  2. PROPHECIES OF JESUS ABOUT COMING OF Islam / MOHAMMED (peace be upon him), AND HE ALSO TOLD ABOUT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOKâ€-RELIGIONS (in Qur´an 600 years later!), AND TIME-SCHEDULE OF THOSE, AND TOLD ORDER OF THOSE RELIGIONS WITH DESCRIPTIONS: (Allah knows best) KORAN: 2:62 (Translation of) YUSUFALI: "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. " KORAN: 2:105 (Translation of) YUSUFALI: "It is never the wish of those without Faith among the People of the Book, nor of the Pagans, that anything good should come down to you from your Lord. But Allah will choose for His special Mercy whom He will - for Allah is Lord of grace abounding." (These two "hidden prophecy" are connected to Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.) 1 "hour" = approx. 200 hundred years, from Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC (and so Jewish-religion 1600 BC->) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 12 hours = 200 years Matt.20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner (God) who went (send prophets) out early in the morning (before "first hour" of 12 hours of day in Jewish calendar, so Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC and Jews as a religion after them in "first hour" 1600-1400 BC) to hire men (believers) to work (for His glory) in his vineyard (Earth). 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius (paradise) for the day (world history) and sent them into his vineyard. 3. "About the third hour (1300/1200-1100 BC Sabians/Zarathustrians, even in Bible there is two "Sabians" in opposite directions, another possibly in South-Iraq) he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing (Judaism had not spread much outside their own Jewish nation). 4.He told them, 'You also (besides Judaism) go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5. So they went. "He went out again about the sixth hour (600 BC beginning of prophesies about Messiah) and the ninth hour (around 1 AC Jesus were born) and did the same thing (created Christians and Christianity, notice simple description as Jesus is speaking about religion most connected to himself). 6. ABOUT (not exactly 400-600 AC) the eleventh hour (Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him: 570-632 AC) he went out (send prophet) and found still others (Arabs) standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing (Arabs had not had religions through prophets, only polytheism-paganism)?' 7. " 'Because no one has hired us (Arabs were so despised that even Byzantium or Persia did not want to conquer and convert them),' they answered."He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.' 8. "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages (what they deserve), beginning with the last ones hired (Muslims) and going on to the first (Jews).' 9. "The workers (Muslims) who were hired about the eleventh hour (500-700 AC) came and each received a denarius. 10. So when those came who were hired first (Jews), they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner (God). 12. 'These men who were hired last (Muslims) worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day (persecutions, slavery, occupations).' 13. "But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14. Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous (you want to keep God for your nation only, as a "chosen people")?' 16. "So the last (Muslims) will be first, and the first (Jews) will be last." [Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, said that even though he was last of prophets, and Muslims are last of believers, they will be first to enter paradise, "last will be first"] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 "year" = approx. 600 years, from Abraham / Jacob 1800/1700 (and so later Jews) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 4 "year" = 600 years Luke.13:6. Then he told this parable: "A master (God) had a fig tree (symbol of israel in Bible), planted in his vineyard (Earth), and he went to look for fruit (results) on it, but did not find any. 7. So he said to the man (Jesus) who took care of the vineyard (Judaism "only true religion"/least corrupted religion in the world in times of Jesus), 'For three (3*600 = 1800) years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil (why not to do better religion)?' 8. " 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one (1*600) more year(s), and I'll dig around it and fertilize it (make world ready for Islam, also in Middle-East, "around" israel as in [Christian] Arabia/Egypt/Syria). 9. If it bears fruit next year (in 600 years), fine! If not, then cut it down (Judaism and so also its sect/branch Christianity, from way of Islam, after that “yearâ€, 600 years, passed after Jesus to death of Mohammed, pbuh, almost excactly 600 years later in 632AC).' " (NOTICE THAT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOK†CAN REFER TO ALL PEOPLE F.EX. IN CHRISTIAN CULTURES, BELIEVERS OR NOT, BECAUSE Allah DOES NOT DEMAND BELIEVING INTO LIES) MY CALCULATIONS IN Matt.20:1-16 There is no mentioning if workers came in what part of each "hour" ("about") 11th = 400-600 AC, Islam 570-632AC (to beginning of 12th) 10th = 200-400 AC 9th = 1 AC-200 AC (Christianity 32 AC ->) 8th = 200 BC- 1 AD 7th = 400 BC-200 BC 6th = 600 BC-400 BC (Messiah prophesied) 5th = 800 BC-600 BC 4th = 1000 BC- 800 BC 3th = 1200-1000 BC (Sabians / Zarathustrians) 2nd = 1400 BC-1200 BC 1st = 1600 BC-1400 BC (Early Jews) "0-hour" = 1800 BC-1600 BC. ("Early in the morning he went", not actually INSIDE first hour, Jewish religion was practically born only after Jacob etc. in 1600 BC-1400 BC) Well, Jesus did not go to practice math in schools. This is not math-exam, but for people to understand some idea. And maybe he being just a human, who makes errors and has somewhat limited knowledge, is reason also to why there is least "error-marginale" (+ - inside 200 years) in places of parallel connected to himself and Christianity. MY CALCULATIONS IN Luke 13:6-9 Maybe israel AS AN OFFICIAL STATE (eventhough part of Rome and so not state) was "cut down" 70 AC, but Jewish religion and its sect Christianity did not "expire" as a (right) religions before Islam came 600 years after Jesus (Jesus 32 AC - Mohammed 632 AC) from point of Islam. israel itself as a state have no importance for God without its religion, do you Christians agree that from Bible? israel (that "tree") is not subject anymore after its cutting down (in 600 AC), but ground around it. "Ground around it" is symbol for spiritual, geological, historical and religious connection between semitistic Islamic and Jewish religions. But before it (before Islam, those last 600 years that were given extra-time) Jewish-tree has opportunity to grow fruits "next year". Obviously it did not do so as God created Islam. All that tree produced during that "year" (600 years) was form of Christianity that worshipped Jewish prophet as a god. From Jewish view those are not good fruits. Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much (as in India or China for example). All those areas are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus now (there is in hadiths prophecy of Mohammed, be be upon him, that he saw power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future). Some say this interpretation of Luke.13:6-9 is just numerical games. So tell me more reasonable and as compatible explanation. Fig tree is symbol of Judaism generally in Bible. Also when Jesus cursed fig tree in Matt.21:19 by words "may no fruit ever come from you again", he probably stated that no more prophets are going to come from Jews. And why time schedule fits so well in both of these religions, did Jesus not know about coming of Islam or did he not care how these will look? More questions for Christians refusing my interpretation in Matthews: Some would say that verses in Matt.20:1-16 question actually point to divine generosity that transcends human ideas of fairness. Yes it can do that ALSO (although first group complaining about payment because of extra-work and master getting furious about it does not really support it), but it is far more complex and long for that alone. It would have just be easy to say that master gives denar for workers, and that’s it. Most popular Christian interpretation is that here Jesus told how disciples were hired in "early in the morning" and in "third" hour as apostles (it does not make sense at all, as all disciples were "hired" at once by Jesus, not in two time periods, and why would apostles be unhappy about later Christians entering also paradise, even before them, as they were one to convert them?), and that from "sixth" to "ninth" hour is about apostle Paul (again, why it would have been said to happen between these two time-periods, and not just in one?), and that in last hour is talked about all later Christians (who will come "first even though they were last", why would they enter paradise before apostles, and especially why would apostles go mad about them going one second before them into paradise, as all mentioned in parallel are saved anyway?).
  3. PROPHECIES OF JESUS ABOUT COMING OF Islam / MOHAMMED (peace be upon him), AND HE ALSO TOLD ABOUT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOKâ€-RELIGIONS (in Qur´an 600 years later!), AND TIME-SCHEDULE OF THOSE, AND TOLD ORDER OF THOSE RELIGIONS WITH DESCRIPTIONS: (Allah knows best) KORAN: 2:62 (Translation of) YUSUFALI: "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. " KORAN: 2:105 (Translation of) YUSUFALI: "It is never the wish of those without Faith among the People of the Book, nor of the Pagans, that anything good should come down to you from your Lord. But Allah will choose for His special Mercy whom He will - for Allah is Lord of grace abounding." (These two "hidden prophecy" are connected to Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.) 1 "hour" = approx. 200 hundred years, from Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC (and so Jewish-religion 1600 BC->) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 12 hours = 200 years Matt.20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner (God) who went (send prophets) out early in the morning (before "first hour" of 12 hours of day in Jewish calendar, so Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC and Jews as a religion after them in "first hour" 1600-1400 BC) to hire men (believers) to work (for His glory) in his vineyard (Earth). 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius (paradise) for the day (world history) and sent them into his vineyard. 3. "About the third hour (1300/1200-1100 BC Sabians/Zarathustrians, even in Bible there is two "Sabians" in opposite directions, another possibly in South-Iraq) he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing (Judaism had not spread much outside their own Jewish nation). 4.He told them, 'You also (besides Judaism) go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5. So they went. "He went out again about the sixth hour (600 BC beginning of prophesies about Messiah) and the ninth hour (around 1 AC Jesus were born) and did the same thing (created Christians and Christianity, notice simple description as Jesus is speaking about religion most connected to himself). 6. ABOUT (not exactly 400-600 AC) the eleventh hour (Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him: 570-632 AC) he went out (send prophet) and found still others (Arabs) standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing (Arabs had not had religions through prophets, only polytheism-paganism)?' 7. " 'Because no one has hired us (Arabs were so despised that even Byzantium or Persia did not want to conquer and convert them),' they answered."He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.' 8. "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages (what they deserve), beginning with the last ones hired (Muslims) and going on to the first (Jews).' 9. "The workers (Muslims) who were hired about the eleventh hour (500-700 AC) came and each received a denarius. 10. So when those came who were hired first (Jews), they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner (God). 12. 'These men who were hired last (Muslims) worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day (persecutions, slavery, occupations).' 13. "But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14. Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous (you want to keep God for your nation only, as a "chosen people")?' 16. "So the last (Muslims) will be first, and the first (Jews) will be last." [Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, said that even though he was last of prophets, and Muslims are last of believers, they will be first to enter paradise, "last will be first"] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 "year" = approx. 600 years, from Abraham / Jacob 1800/1700 (and so later Jews) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 4 "year" = 600 years Luke.13:6. Then he told this parable: "A master (God) had a fig tree (symbol of israel in Bible), planted in his vineyard (Earth), and he went to look for fruit (results) on it, but did not find any. 7. So he said to the man (Jesus) who took care of the vineyard (Judaism "only true religion"/least corrupted religion in the world in times of Jesus), 'For three (3*600 = 1800) years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil (why not to do better religion)?' 8. " 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one (1*600) more year(s), and I'll dig around it and fertilize it (make world ready for Islam, also in Middle-East, "around" israel as in [Christian] Arabia/Egypt/Syria). 9. If it bears fruit next year (in 600 years), fine! If not, then cut it down (Judaism and so also its sect/branch Christianity, from way of Islam, after that “yearâ€, 600 years, passed after Jesus to death of Mohammed, pbuh, almost excactly 600 years later in 632AC).' " (NOTICE THAT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOK†CAN REFER TO ALL PEOPLE F.EX. IN CHRISTIAN CULTURES, BELIEVERS OR NOT, BECAUSE Allah DOES NOT DEMAND BELIEVING INTO LIES) MY CALCULATIONS IN Matt.20:1-16 There is no mentioning if workers came in what part of each "hour" ("about") 11th = 400-600 AC, Islam 570-632AC (to beginning of 12th) 10th = 200-400 AC 9th = 1 AC-200 AC (Christianity 32 AC ->) 8th = 200 BC- 1 AD 7th = 400 BC-200 BC 6th = 600 BC-400 BC (Messiah prophesied) 5th = 800 BC-600 BC 4th = 1000 BC- 800 BC 3th = 1200-1000 BC (Sabians / Zarathustrians) 2nd = 1400 BC-1200 BC 1st = 1600 BC-1400 BC (Early Jews) "0-hour" = 1800 BC-1600 BC. ("Early in the morning he went", not actually INSIDE first hour, Jewish religion was practically born only after Jacob etc. in 1600 BC-1400 BC) Well, Jesus did not go to practice math in schools. This is not math-exam, but for people to understand some idea. And maybe he being just a human, who makes errors and has somewhat limited knowledge, is reason also to why there is least "error-marginale" (+ - inside 200 years) in places of parallel connected to himself and Christianity. MY CALCULATIONS IN Luke 13:6-9 Maybe israel AS AN OFFICIAL STATE (eventhough part of Rome and so not state) was "cut down" 70 AC, but Jewish religion and its sect Christianity did not "expire" as a (right) religions before Islam came 600 years after Jesus (Jesus 32 AC - Mohammed 632 AC) from point of Islam. israel itself as a state have no importance for God without its religion, do you Christians agree that from Bible? israel (that "tree") is not subject anymore after its cutting down (in 600 AC), but ground around it. "Ground around it" is symbol for spiritual, geological, historical and religious connection between semitistic Islamic and Jewish religions. But before it (before Islam, those last 600 years that were given extra-time) Jewish-tree has opportunity to grow fruits "next year". Obviously it did not do so as God created Islam. All that tree produced during that "year" (600 years) was form of Christianity that worshipped Jewish prophet as a god. From Jewish view those are not good fruits. Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much (as in India or China for example). All those areas are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus now (there is in hadiths prophecy of Mohammed, peace be upon him, that he saw power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future). Some say this interpretation of Luke.13:6-9 is just numerical games. So tell me more reasonable and as compatible explanation. Fig tree is symbol of Judaism generally in Bible. Also when Jesus cursed fig tree in Matt.21:19 by words "may no fruit ever come from you again", he probably stated that no more prophets are going to come from Jews. And why time schedule fits so well in both of these religions, did Jesus not know about coming of Islam or did he not care how these will look? More questions for Christians refusing my interpretation in Matthews: Some would say that verses in Matt.20:1-16 question actually point to divine generosity that transcends human ideas of fairness. Yes it can do that ALSO (although first group complaining about payment because of extra-work and master getting furious about it does not really support it), but it is far more complex and long for that alone. It would have just be easy to say that master gives denar for workers, and that’s it. Most popular Christian interpretation is that here Jesus told how disciples were hired in "early in the morning" and in "third" hour as apostles (it does not make sense at all, as all disciples were "hired" at once by Jesus, not in two time periods, and why would apostles be unhappy about later Christians entering also paradise, even before them, as they were one to convert them?), and that from "sixth" to "ninth" hour is about apostle Paul (again, why it would have been said to happen between these two time-periods, and not just in one?), and that in last hour is talked about all later Christians (who will come "first even though they were last", why would they enter paradise before apostles, and especially why would apostles go mad about them going one second before them into paradise, as all mentioned in parallel are saved anyway?).
  4. Luke.12:51-52 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.†So house of Abraham is divided because of different beliefs on Jesus, mainly to 3 Christian religions (Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants) and to two Islamic religions (Sunni and Shiite). And it has NOT been denyed that these could battle even with other sects among themself, but most commonly conflicts have happened between Islam and Christianity. Some Christians say this is about sacrifice inside real families (as in elsewhere there is used words as "mother against daughter") in case of "conversions" to another religions. Otherwise good explanation (in fact differences/similarities between "household" and f.ex. "daughter" can be seen to tell us that comparation between households and relationship with followers of other religions), but there has not been much such controversity and diversity in Christian-countries since emperor of Rome declared Christianity as only allowed religion. After that invaded areas in America, Africa and Asia have been efficiently converted, so giving protection for "converts" even from their own family. In modern secularism atheistics/traditional-believers usually could not care less if their child would like to celebrate (by singing etc.) Jesus. But in (now dominantly) Muslim-countries shift from Christian majority to Muslim majority took centuries, and so made accepting Islam very hard (even though only real dispute with Christians is position of Jesus, it might be reason why Jesus gave these words of comfort for those who are accepting Islam). Also "terrorism" and generally bad public image of Muslims has made even secular parents to panic if their children/partner finds Islam (yes, my mother too did so...). Matt.12:26-27 Jesus told us that Islam can not be from satan, as it directs worshipping and bowing to God of Abraham, reason why satan fall from heaven, and so would never tell to do so. Even Jesus spoke about God of Abraham, “Fatherâ€, not about Jehovah for example. And “I am truth, way, and life†does not mean Jesus was god, but a prophet who taught TRUTH in monotheistic teaching about one God (f.ex. Mark.12:29 and Luke.4:8), who gave us WAY and example in worshipping on knees face to ground (Matt.26:39) and being totally submitting to God, and all this will give LIFE (comfort and paradise). All Muslims have to believe in Jesus TOO to be Muslim, as Jesus said, no Muslim will be saved but through (ALSO) him (as trough all prophets). Matt.21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.†As Jesus told (to ALL people who were there, so “Christiansâ€, his followers, also, not just to priests who even might not be there then anymore, but left him after he answered theirs question much earlier), Jews (and its sect Christianity as it is based only to Jewish nation) lost kingdom of God when it was given to Arabs, ONE nation (Christianity is not based on other single nation but Jews). More debate about this: (www.)"http://ummah/forum/showthread.php?t=64807&page=3%20&pp=20"]ummah/forum/showthread.php?t=64807&page=3 &pp=20 [/url] Here Jesus announced that He has been send to direct those few chosen (usually) Christians by Bible to Islam and eventually to Muslim-countries: John.10:16 â€I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen (offspring of Ishmael, not Isaac-Jewish). I must bring them also (Jesus in Quran and monotheism/prophesies in Bible). They too will listen to my voice (same message), and there shall be one flock and one shepherd (monotheistic believers and prophets teaching about one God, now only Islam).†Matt.18:12-14 “What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the MOUNTAINS and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. In the same way, my Father in heaven does not want one of these little children to be lost.†Luke.15:4-7 “What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the DESERT (open pasture) and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbours, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost! I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. “ Here words (leaving other sheep’s at SAFELY HOME in) “MOUNTAINS†and “DESERT†describe general nature in Muslim-countries near Christian countries. Some Christians may say that these are Christians who are "directed to home by death of Jesus", but here Jesus confirmed that if Christians (99+1 sheeps) are in "true religion", then he did not come for them in general, but for (future) Muslims (that +1): Matt.9:12-13 “But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are SICK. But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.†Luke.9:56 “for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.†So Jesus WAS (prophesied) king, Messiah, he divided Rome to east and west by religious differences (about power), Muslims got East Rome because of that, Byzantium. And he “sacrificed†for sake of both Muslims and Christians, but he did not need to make it to forgive all sins of mankind, but perhaps only in describing way (for example that all who will find Islam get to start with no sins again). If Europe, America and Africa had remind in paganism and with ruler-gods, persecution for Muslims would have been much worse than it was for Christians, who did not have such strict demand for total monotheism. With saints for example Christianity were able easily to be one to replace pagan-god´s in Europe (god was replaced by saint, holidays with Christian holidays), America and Africa, and so did bring them again closer to Islam (by Bible and prophets, even by nominal "monotheism"). In Africa f.ex. Islam did not make much advance in rainforests before colonial-time and Christianity, and many Africans accepted Islam even as a protest against colonial-powers. 12:39 "He answered, ´A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.´ Jesus was understood to be dead by all but God as he said that he will be "gone", so "dead" for disciples f.ex., and so came true prophecy about his "death" (human-view), and also words of Qur´an about him not dying into crusificsion by Jews (what Allah knows). So in fact Jesus gave for some part of people in the World "postponed"/"delayed" judgment as a "people without knowledge" (like illiterate people dictated by church and interpretations of priests about Bible, translations from Qur´an came for Christians mostly in modern times), until Islam and knowledge reached them too (f.ex. by internet and immigration, immigration of Muslims into Christian countries accepted also because even Jesus immigrated too and told to "invite others in"). There is reason for existence of Christianity, and there is reason why Jesus is coming back: To direct his "owns" back into Truth again. Over 50% of world population are either Christians or Muslims, and only real difference between them is about position of Jesus. In Africa 50% of population are Muslims, in Asia 33%, there lives most poor people, and even Jesus and Qur´an both told that some have their share in this life, and some in next life (and some in both). Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much (as in India or China for example). All those areas are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus now (there is in hadiths prophecy of Mohammed, be be upon him, that he saw power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future). Matt.22:45 “If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he (Jesus) be his son?" Here only possibility could be that spirit of Jesus were born before David, and so Jesus was in “high rank†compared to David (Jesus is most mentioned prophet in Qur´an). Idea about Jesus being son of David, from descent of David, refutes idea about actual “son of Godâ€, as if Jesus had no human father, then he did not have genetically background in David who was relative of Joseph. So why would God be his genetic father then, if even David was not?
  5. ISAIAH PROPHECIES ABOUT JESUS AND CHRISTIANITY, AND ABOUT SIGNS OF Islam COMING in Isa.7:5-6,13-17 earthquake killing 250 000 people in Christian Syria 526 AD+Islam Isa.9:1-6 These two prophesies describe both, Christianity and Islam, more religions themselves than prophets, and describe conditions when they appeared, and it is connected to Islam by earthquake in Syria 526 AC, that killed over 250 000 Christian Syrian’s, and by warm climate of time. Time of earthquake in prophecy is connected to time when Christianity was (most near to be) right religion before Islam came to direct into "choosing good and abandoning evil", as (most) Christians in Syria and elsewhere in Middle-East and north-Africa did, accepted Islam (in long period of time). Then was over time when Immanuel (=Christianity, Immanuel="Lord with us", describing Christians who believe that God was with them on earth), so Christians, got to eat "curds and honey" (describing especially warm centuries before coming of Islam and easy faith without much expectations like regular praying) and came time when Christians had to choose between "choosing good and refusing evil" as Islam came. That is when easy salvation , for some without knowledge, even by worshipping Jesus as a god were to end, and more demanding times came. 10. Then the LORD spoke again to Ahaz, saying, 11. "Ask a sign for yourself from the LORD your God; make it deep as Sheol or high as heaven." 12. But Ahaz said, "I will not ask, nor will I test the LORD!" 13. Then he said, "Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well? 14. "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. Immanuel is Christianity/Christians, "Lord with us" describes how Christians will believe, that God came to Earth among them. Nowadays Christians can not change this belief into any other form, as if they would deny that Jesus was not god, they should become Muslims. This is how Allah made sure that Christians believe like Quran describes and how prophesied even in Bible. 15. "He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good. Warm and agriculturally plenty centuries were just before Islam, wine was grown even in Britain that time (besides description of few nuclear-winter’s in 6th century, when sun shined only couple of hours in a day, perhaps because of big meteor that hit Earth, it could be from words of Jesus how before end of times there will be "signs in the sky", just before coming of Mohammed who began "end of times", countdown for Judgment Day). Then when Islam came, about one third from Christians in world learned how to chose good and abandon evil, in Middle-East and in North-Africa. 16. "For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken. So before Islam came and Christians learned to choose good, Syria (mentioned "land whose two kings you dread" in 7:5-6) and its lands were forsaken (in some translations "will come empty") when earthquake hit 526 AC and killed 250 000 Christian Syrians (almost total population of Syria that time). 17."The LORD will bring on you, on your people, and on your father's house such days as have never come since the day that Ephraim separated from Judah, the king of Assyria." This could be again coming back in time to time just after Jesus, and this could describe for example destruction of Jerusalem by Romans (but also other same kind of events). ---------------------------------------------------------- --------- HERE IS PROPHESIED MOHAMMED (pbuh) AND Islam: (Isa.9:1-6) Birth and Reign of the Prince of Peace 1. But there shall be no gloom to her that was in anguish. In the former time he brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time hath he made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations. "Zebulun and Naphtali" who were treated with contempt earlier is Arabia, these border areas of israel describe areas beyond borders ("on the other side of Jordan"). Arabs were so despised that Byzantium or Persia did not even want to conquer it, or to convert them to their religion. "Way of the sea" is Red Sea and Persian Gulf surrounding holy places of Muslims, (temple of even Abraham in) Mecca and Medina, and also offering connecting short sea route between Mediterranean and Indian Ocean. "Other side of Jordan" is deserts of Arabs behind Jordan (Arabs have lived there centuries before Islam), confirming that Arabs are mentioned here. 2. The people who walk in darkness Will see a great light; Those who live in a dark land, The light will shine on them. "People who walk in darkness" is Arabic pagans, without monotheistic religion. "Light" is Islam and Word of Allah, "dark land" is waste lands in deserts. 3. You shall multiply the nation, You shall increase their gladness; They will be glad in Your presence As with the gladness of harvest, As men rejoice when they divide the spoil. Nation of Arabs and lot of spoil to divide multiplied when Arabs conquered Middle-East and North-Africa. "Increase their gladness" is about Mohammed, as Jesus himself said that he has not come to brought peace bur sword. 4. For You shall break the yoke of their burden and the staff on their shoulders, The rod of their oppressor, as at the battle of Midian. "Break yoke of their burden" is sin that is abolished, Quran and Mohammed gave numerous complete instructions in hadiths what is wrong, and how to avoid it. Breaking "staff on their shoulders" is slavery, that was reduced dramatically because of Islam, as it encouraged Muslims to let slaves free (reward is better benefits in paradise). Breaking "rod of their oppressor" is destroying power of satan. 5. For every boot of the booted warrior in the battle tumult, And cloak rolled in blood, will be for burning, fuel for the fire. Islam brought centuries of peace into Middle-East (except crusades started by Christians) and to North-Africa, and peace is also what Islam means as a word. First time mankind was united, over 3 continents, and there was message about equality of all the people in the world, not under nationality but under common one God. Overall Muslims have had (against each others especially) much less wars than Christians, and those few wars have been much less bloody than in Christian countries. Also Islam gave liberty and peace for many persecuted minority Christians in Byzantium, who were not accepted by official state church (as they refused to believe into trinity or into Jesus as god for example). Of course this can also describe how sins are wiped out from those who accepts Islam (bloody clothes are burned). 6. For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. As Jesus, also Mohammed (puh) were given to us, although in case of Jesus focus is much more in his birth. Government will rest on shoulders of Mohammed, and on Him who send Mohammed and ordered him to act and to do as he did, in founding of government. This is not about Jesus, he did not found government. "Wonderful Counsellor" describes amazing Quran and numerous hadiths, over two million of them, and amount of information on those for nearly all aspects of life. "Mighty God" and "Eternal Father" describes God of Islam, Allah (not Jesus-loves-you-all-god), from Whom Mohammed (and also Jesus) preached about, and how Allah will be eternity and will not change a bit . Prince of Peace is about Allah, Islam and Mohammed together, their common affect on world and about peace they brought. 7.Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this. "Kingdom that have no end in government and peace" and "reigned from David’s throne" (throne of religions of Abraham) is Islam that spread through THREE continents from Spain to China and India in under 100 years (compare to Matt.13:33 where Jesus told that "kingdom of heaven is like leaven, that woman took and hid in THREE pecks of flour, until it was all leavened"). "Justice and righteousness" is describing what Islam emphasizes very much in its doctrine. "That time and forever" is about Islam that will never change. Zeal (from Jews and Christians going astray) of Allah will accomplish this. In early days of Islam, this had to happen as Jesus mentioned in Bible, "father against son, brother against brother...", as thousands strong tribal pagan-armies of Mecca started war for years against small outnumbered Muslim community (in beginning there were only 300 armed soldiers) expulsed to Medina..... And ALWAYS remember..... Mohammed (pbuh) did not conquer Egypt, Byzantium, Persia or Spain. It was message he delivered, after his death. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Answers for Christians refuting my interpretations:[/b] From this following passage in New Testament (Matt.4:13-17), that many will try to use to deny my interpretations, can be clearly seen that writer has interpretated himself that Jesus so fulfilled another prophecy, and twisted prophecy by fitting it into frames of this: 13. and leaving Nazareth, He came and settled in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the region of Zebulun and Naphtali. 14. This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: 15. "THE LAND OF ZEBULUN AND THE LAND OF NAPHTALI, BY THE WAY OF THE SEA, BEYOND THE JORDAN, GALILEE OF THE GENTILES-- 16. "THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING IN DARKNESS SAW A GREAT LIGHT, AND THOSE WHO WERE SITTING IN THE LAND AND SHADOW OF DEATH, UPON THEM A LIGHT DAWNED." 17. From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." First of all, these are not words of Jesus but later added prophecy by Isaiah fitted into visit of Jesus on area fitting into prophecy (in prophecy this border area of israel is just describing areas beyond borders, lands of Arabs, not just lands of Zebulun/Naphtali exclusively, in fact Jesus were only near these areas for a LITTLE TIME). In Isaiah prophecy were in future-form, here in past-form. According to Isaiah lands of Zebulun/Naphtali were "treated with contempt", and only LATER they will be given PERMANENT light (Jesus spend there only little time, Christianity little longer, but Islam is still there), so that whole land will come from dark into shining (describing deserts, which it came permanently only by Islam). So would it not have to mean that these people on these lands did not accept Jesus and his message and so were kept in darkness, or that they started worshipping prophet as a god when they at least lost rest from their glory and were in contempt. In this case Islam was one to come to clean and purify that all. Jesus himself did not require faith for “salvation through death on cross†even in Bible, it is invention of others (mainly Paul’s), although he recognized that those events have to come pass (even as fake crucifixion) because of its importance for world and in foreshadowing Islam to bring salvation closer to (otherwise) pagans who were not mentioned to receive Islam (until some time limit on some amount, which is going on now). Jesus even stated that he will be those three days like Jonah on stomach of whale, and Jonah was ALIVE inside whale. ------------------------------------------------------------------
  6. Luke.12:51-52 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.†So house of Abraham is divided because of different beliefs on Jesus, mainly to 3 Christian religions (Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants) and to two Islamic religions (Sunni and Shiite). And it has NOT been denyed that these could battle even with other sects among themself, but most commonly conflicts have happened between Islam and Christianity. Some Christians say this is about sacrifice inside real families (as in elsewhere there is used words as "mother against daughter") in case of "conversions" to another religions. Otherwise good explanation (in fact differences/similarities between "household" and f.ex. "daughter" can be seen to tell us that comparation between households and relationship with followers of other religions), but there has not been much such controversity and diversity in Christian-countries since emperor of Rome declared Christianity as only allowed religion. After that invaded areas in America, Africa and Asia have been efficiently converted, so giving protection for "converts" even from their own family. In modern secularism atheistics/traditional-believers usually could not care less if their child would like to celebrate (by singing etc.) Jesus. But in (now dominantly) Muslim-countries shift from Christian majority to Muslim majority took centuries, and so made accepting Islam very hard (even though only real dispute with Christians is position of Jesus, it might be reason why Jesus gave these words of comfort for those who are accepting Islam). Also "terrorism" and generally bad public image of Muslims has made even secular parents to panic if their children/partner finds Islam (yes, my mother too did so...). Matt.12:26-27 Jesus told us that Islam can not be from satan, as it directs worshipping and bowing to God of Abraham, reason why satan fall from heaven, and so would never tell to do so. Even Jesus spoke about God of Abraham, “Fatherâ€, not about Jehovah for example. And “I am truth, way, and life†does not mean Jesus was god, but a prophet who taught TRUTH in monotheistic teaching about one God (f.ex. Mark.12:29 and Luke.4:8), who gave us WAY and example in worshipping on knees face to ground (Matt.26:39) and being totally submitting to God, and all this will give LIFE (comfort and paradise). All Muslims have to believe in Jesus TOO to be Muslim, as Jesus said, no Muslim will be saved but through (ALSO) him (as trough all prophets). Matt.21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.†As Jesus told (to ALL people who were there, so “Christiansâ€, his followers, also, not just to priests who even might not be there then anymore, but left him after he answered theirs question much earlier), Jews (and its sect Christianity as it is based only to Jewish nation) lost kingdom of God when it was given to Arabs, ONE nation (Christianity is not based on other single nation but Jews). More debate about this: (www.)"http://ummah/forum/showthread.php?t=64807&page=3%20&pp=20"]ummah/forum/showthread.php?t=64807&page=3 &pp=20 [/url] Here Jesus announced that He has been send to direct those few chosen (usually) Christians by Bible to Islam and eventually to Muslim-countries: John.10:16 â€I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen (offspring of Ishmael, not Isaac-Jewish). I must bring them also (Jesus in Quran and monotheism/prophesies in Bible). They too will listen to my voice (same message), and there shall be one flock and one shepherd (monotheistic believers and prophets teaching about one God, now only Islam).†Matt.18:12-14 “What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the MOUNTAINS and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. In the same way, my Father in heaven does not want one of these little children to be lost.†Luke.15:4-7 “What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the DESERT (open pasture) and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbours, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost! I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. “ Here words (leaving other sheep’s at SAFELY HOME in) “MOUNTAINS†and “DESERT†describe general nature in Muslim-countries near Christian countries. Some Christians may say that these are Christians who are "directed to home by death of Jesus", but here Jesus confirmed that if Christians (99+1 sheeps) are in "true religion", then he did not come for them in general, but for (future) Muslims (that +1): Matt.9:12-13 “But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are SICK. But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.†Luke.9:56 “for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.†So Jesus WAS (prophesied) king, Messiah, he divided Rome to east and west by religious differences (about power), Muslims got East Rome because of that, Byzantium. And he “sacrificed†for sake of both Muslims and Christians, but he did not need to make it to forgive all sins of mankind, but perhaps only in describing way (for example that all who will find Islam get to start with no sins again). If Europe, America and Africa had remind in paganism and with ruler-gods, persecution for Muslims would have been much worse than it was for Christians, who did not have such strict demand for total monotheism. With saints for example Christianity were able easily to be one to replace pagan-god´s in Europe (god was replaced by saint, holidays with Christian holidays), America and Africa, and so did bring them again closer to Islam (by Bible and prophets, even by nominal "monotheism"). In Africa f.ex. Islam did not make much advance in rainforests before colonial-time and Christianity, and many Africans accepted Islam even as a protest against colonial-powers. 12:39 "He answered, ´A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.´ Jesus was understood to be dead by all but God as he said that he will be "gone", so "dead" for disciples f.ex., and so came true prophecy about his "death" (human-view), and also words of Qur´an about him not dying into crusificsion by Jews (what Allah knows). So in fact Jesus gave for some part of people in the World "postponed"/"delayed" judgment as a "people without knowledge" (like illiterate people dictated by church and interpretations of priests about Bible, translations from Qur´an came for Christians mostly in modern times), until Islam and knowledge reached them too (f.ex. by internet and immigration, immigration of Muslims into Christian countries accepted also because even Jesus immigrated too and told to "invite others in"). There is reason for existence of Christianity, and there is reason why Jesus is coming back: To direct his "owns" back into Truth again. Over 50% of world population are either Christians or Muslims, and only real difference between them is about position of Jesus. In Africa 50% of population are Muslims, in Asia 33%, there lives most poor people, and even Jesus and Qur´an both told that some have their share in this life, and some in next life (and some in both). Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much (as in India or China for example). All those areas are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus now (there is in hadiths prophecy of Mohammed, be be upon him, that he saw power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future). Matt.22:45 “If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he (Jesus) be his son?" Here only possibility could be that spirit of Jesus were born before David, and so Jesus was in “high rank†compared to David (Jesus is most mentioned prophet in Qur´an). Idea about Jesus being son of David, from descent of David, refutes idea about actual “son of Godâ€, as if Jesus had no human father, then he did not have genetically background in David who was relative of Joseph. So why would God be his genetic father then, if even David was not?
  7. PROPHECIES OF JESUS ABOUT COMING OF Islam / MOHAMMED (peace be upon him), AND HE ALSO TOLD ABOUT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOKâ€-RELIGIONS (in Qur´an 600 years later!), AND TIME-SCHEDULE OF THOSE, AND TOLD ORDER OF THOSE RELIGIONS WITH DESCRIPTIONS: (Allah knows best) (These two "hidden prophecy" are connected to Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.) 1 "hour" = approx. 200 hundred years, from Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC (and so Jewish-religion 1600 BC->) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 12 hours = 200 years Matt.20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner (God) who went (send prophets) out early in the morning (before "first hour" of 12 hours of day in Jewish calendar, so Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC and Jews as a religion after them in "first hour" 1600-1400 BC) to hire men (believers) to work (for His glory) in his vineyard (Earth). 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius (paradise) for the day (world history) and sent them into his vineyard. 3. "About the third hour (1300/1200-1100 BC Sabians/Zarathustrians, even in Bible there is two "Sabians" in opposite directions, another possibly in South-Iraq) he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing (Judaism had not spread much outside their own Jewish nation). 4.He told them, 'You also (besides Judaism) go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5. So they went. "He went out again about the sixth hour (600 BC beginning of prophesies about Messiah) and the ninth hour (around 1 AC Jesus were born) and did the same thing (created Christians and Christianity, notice simple description as Jesus is speaking about religion most connected to himself). 6. ABOUT (not exactly 400-600 AC) the eleventh hour (Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him: 570-632 AC) he went out (send prophet) and found still others (Arabs) standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing (Arabs had not had religions through prophets, only polytheism-paganism)?' 7. " 'Because no one has hired us (Arabs were so despised that even Byzantium or Persia did not want to conquer and convert them),' they answered."He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.' 8. "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages (what they deserve), beginning with the last ones hired (Muslims) and going on to the first (Jews).' 9. "The workers (Muslims) who were hired about the eleventh hour (500-700 AC) came and each received a denarius. 10. So when those came who were hired first (Jews), they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner (God). 12. 'These men who were hired last (Muslims) worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day (persecutions, slavery, occupations).' 13. "But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14. Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous (you want to keep God for your nation only, as a "chosen people")?' 16. "So the last (Muslims) will be first, and the first (Jews) will be last." [Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, said that even though he was last of prophets, and Muslims are last of believers, they will be first to enter paradise, "last will be first"] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 "year" = approx. 600 years, from Abraham / Jacob 1800/1700 (and so later Jews) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 4 "year" = 600 years Luke.13:6. Then he told this parable: "A master (God) had a fig tree (symbol of israel in Bible), planted in his vineyard (Earth), and he went to look for fruit (results) on it, but did not find any. 7. So he said to the man (Jesus) who took care of the vineyard (Judaism "only true religion"/least corrupted religion in the world in times of Jesus), 'For three (3*600 = 1800) years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil (why not to do better religion)?' 8. " 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one (1*600) more year(s), and I'll dig around it and fertilize it (make world ready for Islam, also in Middle-East, "around" israel as in [Christian] Arabia/Egypt/Syria). 9. If it bears fruit next year (in 600 years), fine! If not, then cut it down (Judaism and so also its sect/branch Christianity, from way of Islam, after that “yearâ€, 600 years, passed after Jesus to death of Mohammed, pbuh, almost excactly 600 years later in 632AC).' " KORAN: 2:62 (Translation of) YUSUFALI: "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. " KORAN: 2:105 (Translation of) YUSUFALI: "It is never the wish of those without Faith among the People of the Book, nor of the Pagans, that anything good should come down to you from your Lord. But Allah will choose for His special Mercy whom He will - for Allah is Lord of grace abounding." (NOTICE THAT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOK†CAN REFER TO ALL PEOPLE F.EX. IN CHRISTIAN CULTURES, BELIEVERS OR NOT, BECAUSE Allah DOES NOT DEMAND BELIEVING INTO LIES) MY CALCULATIONS IN Matt.20:1-16 There is no mentioning if workers came in what part of each "hour" ("about") 11th = 400-600 AC, Islam 570-632AC (to beginning of 12th) 10th = 200-400 AC 9th = 1 AC-200 AC (Christianity 32 AC ->) 8th = 200 BC- 1 AD 7th = 400 BC-200 BC 6th = 600 BC-400 BC (Messiah prophesied) 5th = 800 BC-600 BC 4th = 1000 BC- 800 BC 3th = 1200-1000 BC (Sabians / Zarathustrians) 2nd = 1400 BC-1200 BC 1st = 1600 BC-1400 BC (Early Jews) "0-hour" = 1800 BC-1600 BC. ("Early in the morning he went", not actually INSIDE first hour, Jewish religion was practically born only after Jacob etc. in 1600 BC-1400 BC) Well, Jesus did not go to practice math in schools. This is not math-exam, but for people to understand some idea. And maybe he being just a human, who makes errors and has somewhat limited knowledge, is reason also to why there is least "error-marginale" (+ - inside 200 years) in places of parallel connected to himself and Christianity. MY CALCULATIONS IN Luke 13:6-9 Maybe israel AS AN OFFICIAL STATE (eventhough part of Rome and so not state) was "cut down" 70 AC, but Jewish religion and its sect Christianity did not "expire" as a (right) religions before Islam came 600 years after Jesus (Jesus 32 AC - Mohammed 632 AC) from point of Islam. israel itself as a state have no importance for God without its religion, do you Christians agree that from Bible? israel (that "tree") is not subject anymore after its cutting down (in 600 AC), but ground around it. "Ground around it" is symbol for spiritual, geological, historical and religious connection between semitistic Islamic and Jewish religions. But before it (before Islam, those last 600 years that were given extra-time) Jewish-tree has opportunity to grow fruits "next year". Obviously it did not do so as God created Islam. All that tree produced during that "year" (600 years) was form of Christianity that worshipped Jewish prophet as a god. From Jewish view those are not good fruits. Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much (as in India or China for example). All those areas are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus now (there is in hadiths prophecy of Mohammed, be be upon him, that he saw power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future). Some say this interpretation of Luke.13:6-9 is just numerical games. So tell me more reasonable and as compatible explanation. Fig tree is symbol of Judaism generally in Bible. Also when Jesus cursed fig tree in Matt.21:19 by words "may no fruit ever come from you again", he probably stated that no more prophets are going to come from Jews. And why time schedule fits so well in both of these religions, did Jesus not know about coming of Islam or did he not care how these will look? More questions for Christians refusing my interpretation in Matthews: Some would say that verses in Matt.20:1-16 question actually point to divine generosity that transcends human ideas of fairness. Yes it can do that ALSO (although first group complaining about payment because of extra-work and master getting furious about it does not really support it), but it is far more complex and long for that alone. It would have just be easy to say that master gives denar for workers, and that’s it. Most popular Christian interpretation is that here Jesus told how disciples were hired in "early in the morning" and in "third" hour as apostles (it does not make sense at all, as all disciples were "hired" at once by Jesus, not in two time periods, and why would apostles be unhappy about later Christians entering also paradise, even before them, as they were one to convert them?), and that from "sixth" to "ninth" hour is about apostle Paul (again, why it would have been said to happen between these two time-periods, and not just in one?), and that in last hour is talked about all later Christians (who will come "first even though they were last", why would they enter paradise before apostles, and especially why would apostles go mad about them going one second before them into paradise, as all mentioned in parallel are saved anyway?).
  8. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    And may I ask WHERE did you get this one???? I could just as well invent ANYTHING from my head about Jesus, like that when he asked to turn other cheek, he asked to turn cheek of that man hitting you :-) . There is just no reasoning to support that. Was this something that Jesus or God said? No. This has NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER into ANY scriptures (Bible or Koran), and there is no basics even to interpretate these parallels in this way even by any reasoning. And if Jesus was "Landowner" in Matt.20:1-16, who was "foreman" in it, and who was "Gardener" ("taking care of the wine yard") in similar parallel of Luke 13?
  9. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    So Ananias spoke to Lord to get approval for something that Jesus or God had not given ANY hint, authority, permission or prophecy (or anything like that) about. Just as in case of Paul. You know, there is lots of people who claim that God has spoken to them, without ANY evidence (we muslims have Koran). Why did not Jesus bother to mention about persons who are MAIN FOUNDERS and philosophers of modern church in its current form? As much as we know, Paul (persecuting/hating christianity as a Jew, who noticed that christians just fled and spreaded their religion wider because of persecutions) could have sent Ananias ahead of him to "confirm" his healing from "blindness", according to acts Ananias were "new christian", how well it does fit into picture indeed... Why would have god chosen Ananias or Paul for these tasks? Why not Peter for example, or any other discipline CHOSEN BY JESUS HIMSELF? Why would/could you put your trust into salvation for "revelations" of common man, even killer of christians, who claim that they have received message from God (or Jesus)? And more importantly, why does your God play games with Muslims, forcing them to believe into something that has not been ordered to be believed by God or any prophet? If you go along that road, all christians should be mormons, Joseph Smith ALSO claimed that he had revelation. Why would it be less important than one with Paul/Ananias? Don´t you get it? That "suffering for my name" was expected, but cheap price for saving Judaism. Judaism was no longer in danger as christianity departed from it into prophet-worshipping (that happened when Jesus was introduced to non-Jewish Greek people, and when they came majority after destruction of Jerusalem/Palestine by Romans), after that no Jew would take it seriously. Christianity could not be destroyed from outside, but from inside. Paul had all motives for it, as he demonstrated earlier, and even Jesus said that not single one of those who kill even one of his followers would be among righteous people.
  10. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    As I said, description in both cases, with christianity (Jesus) and Islam (Mohammed, pbuh) were more about descriptions of religions themselves, not about prophets. Which religion you think has A "Mighty God", Islam (just take a look how proudly Allah declares in Koran how only He is right and all others are wrong, even if it would be taken to point of a sword, to be said shortly), or christianity with "Jesus-loves-and-forgives-you-all"-god?
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    Where did I refused that belief? What are you talking about? Read my writing, and Koran about birth of Jesus, again. "Birth and Reign of the Prince of Peace 1. But there shall be no gloom to her that was in anguish. In the former time he brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time hath he made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations." "BEYOND THE JORDAN"... Where do you think that Isaiah were writing this? In western or eastern side of Jordan? Where do you think Golan-area is? It is east from Jordan. And if this is prophecy (as you claim that it is prophecy about Jesus), do you REALLY think that all these words in it should be taken literaly, word by word? Is it not that in these prophecies we are given descriptions about something like, more than excact information? Boy, Bible will turn WEIRD if you start to read it with such literaly, do you really think that you are "seed" in "good land" or do you consider yourself as a human being and a believer? So these tribes are used to describe areas unknown for people of that time, they did not have much clue what was beyond it. Just as Romans named modern Tunisia/Libya "Africa", and whole continent got its name from it. And were not people east from Jordan "heathens" at that time, from Jewish perspective? My "imaginary interpretation" is as valid as interpretation of who ever wrote that passage in Bible. Jesus did not say it for sure, it is interpretation of writer in later generations (Bible was written decades after Jesus was gone). And again, people of israel did not have such much knowledge about geography at that time to say anything about any other "sea", all bodies of water were similar to them. And if you take a look at the map, area of Israilites streched from Red Sea to Mediterrean Sea (remember Sinai), as it does even today. And Red Sea is excactly to south from Galilea, just in same level. And Jesus said that he had not been send but to "lost sheeps of israel". But you, pagan-christians, do not take that literaly. That will reveal your errors in understanding interpretations. Btw, I did NOT say anything different. Judaism (and its branch christianity) were just removed from "only right religion"-status to "People of the Book"-status when Islam appeared. So that "cutting" had, again, much more deeper meaning than one you take literalily.
  12. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    A circle has corners, much of them. Those blocks forming circle are just too small to see, for you at least. Just think about atoms. God created man, man created God (because God created man such), and then man created excuses why there would not be God, eventhough man could not possible have any clue about that matter as God created man such that he will not know about Him if He will not inform about Himself. Capish? If God created imagination of humans, and imagination of humans created God, how can He not excists? By the way, muslims have been (or should have been) through demands of their religion much else than "illiterate", or without adopting new knowledge, we have Koran that orders some things, you know... And Islam took place of rulers trough Allah, there is no pope or "divine right" in Islam, not even preasthood. And about that reward through "miserable existence".... It can not be that miserable, as thousands or even millions of Muslims troughout history have been willing to give up smiling their existence in this world for sake of their religion, that gave meaning and happiness for their existence, leading them to give it up (even by trying to terminate existence of others).... It is parallel. In case of christianity this marxist-ideology could fit... ´But what did I say about relationship between communism and Islam in my earlier writings? In Islam we seek favours of Allah not just in next world, but also in this one too. For sake of Islam itself. It is like machinery. Please, hesitate before you ask.
  13. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    So you can not understand how totally different dogmas can support each others? Let us say, that in Bible coming of Islam was prophesied (as I wrote earlier in this discussion about parallels of Jesus)- Does that not give you anything to wonder about? How can there be such "coincidence". Again, with science it is similar thing. All basic knowledge were informed in Koran, in a way that did fit "knowledge" of people of that time (so that they did not refuse its message as "inaccurate"), and still fits into frames that science has given today (after 1400 years), allthough it all depends on interpretations. But if it would not depend on interpretations, how would you think it could be possible to fit same message to "scientific-knowledge" of people 1400 years ago and today? It is miracles of Koran, when it stated f.ex. that "sun swims in its course appointed", for people of that time (especially in christian Europe) it meant that sun goes around earth (as they "knew"), but now we "know" that it goes in its course around centre of our galaxy, ending to a black hole some day eventually, in an empty space full of death stars and black holes. There is nothing as deep and multiple-meanings in any other books with such variations and possible interpretations. F.ex. Allah informed Mohammed (pbuh) conserning situation of that present day that "unbelievers will not be protectors but of each others, unless you do not protect yourselves". It does not take much of thinking to realise that situation has remained the same for last 1400 years. "there is only one different set of genes in the makeup of my DNA code and that of an African ape" And that does not make you humble? Well, in Koran Allah said that He can make monkeys or pigs out of humans. Darwin made you monkeys, and beer, vodka and television made you pigs (at least if asked from your wifes). And all of those were created by Allah. Sad to say this, but if and when this planet will be "talibanized" (f.ex. during next ice-age not so far away, because of melting of polar-caps and reduce in currents of Golf-stream by fresh water messing with the flow of it, 20% reduction during last 5 years), it is just because Muslims have had enough because of people like you. You guys will be lucky if you are not executed in borders of Islamic states when you look for refugee-status from south because of ice-age. In Koran it is said that when Jesus will come back, he will "breake the cross". Try to think for meanings for that.
  14. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    So Islam would be faith of Russians if this one guy in Kiova would have chosen religion by reasonable reasoning, not by degree of alcoholism by his subjects. I think that would have given something to think about for Russians for centuries to come after that, with all its weird experiments (insane dictators killing millions, invaders from Europe reaching Volga that was former border between christians and Mongol-Muslims, land-slaves until 19th century, communism, vodka-bottles in dinner table, etc...). Have you heard that in few decades amount of Muslims (by cultural-backround) in Russia will by pass amount of christians. Population of Russian christians will be reduced to half (because of low birth-rates) in something like 50 years (into little more than 50 million). And by the way, during Soviet Union, Muslims were nor oppressed nearly as much as christians, maybe partly because Muslims were allies for bolsheviks against persecuting tsarist-regime (allied with curch) trying to convert them to christianity even by force. Communists did not do that. Muslims were equal at last during communism, even by equal persecution with another faiths such as christianity. But christianity was main target as it was associated with west and its capitalism. If you would have been a Muslim ("convert", such as f.ex. Lenin perhaps) in that time, and desided to go on for a jihad to lift off oppression of Muslims, what would have you done to get Russian people behind your idea? Certainly offering Islam as an option was not an option, as it was despised and oppressed willingly by Russians. When Soviet Union broke down, Central-Asian Muslim-states were last to give up from that system (according to statistics it would not have token long time when Muslims would have been dominant religion in Soviet union). Soviet Union mixed populations of Russia (as in Moscow), and spreaded Islam all over that state. THIS is an example how clever Allah´s plans can be (in Koran He says that "they plan, but Allah plans too, and Allah is best of planners"). He can even use atheism for benefith of Islam. For example in Europe secularism has made room for "invasion" of Islam.
  15. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    So early people were pagans (according to Islam prophets wee send to guide people only in certain time and places). But where does that put you? You are much worst than them, as you have all possible information and knowledge to change your beliefs. Those "pagans" did not have that possibility. And according to Islam that is why Allah will not punish them. Progression... = Evolution.... = Islam, last world wide religion. Evolution. You said it.
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    In history, christians have done much more killing and such in name of their religion. In both World Wars there were almost 100 million death people by people who had been raised to christian culture and moral-behaviour and values. I do not even bother to mention more about other previous christian-based wars, claiming millions. Just sad stories of millions victims. And... If you say I am weak because I am a Muslim... I quess we have nothing else but conflict ahead, and that we really are enemies. Sad but true (as Metallica said), if you wanna take that road. We are not weak. If you say so, prepare to be erased, even if it would took 100 years (take a look into immigration- and birth-rates). It is how things have gone this far, and it is how things are going to be. We have dealt with crusaders, we have dealt with Mongols, and we have dealt with communists. And we WILL take on you if you try to take on us. NOBODY will call us "weak". We have proud, something unfamiliar to you. Believe or do not believe, it does not matter to me. But just stay out of our sight, if you have nothing else to say but that we are "weak". Those "weak" people may just as well take your life, if they wish. Believe me, you DO NOT want conflict between Islamic and western civilizations. People who have principles of "turning other cheek" or "only my own life matters" have little change against people who are willing to die for their beliefs (in battle even). Islam has been done, planned, to take over, conquer, this all. With or without your approval. Can´t you see even that? By the way, just to make it clear, I have nothing against darwinism. Nothing happens without Allah. Not even "random" Big Bang or evolution. It is said in Koran.
  17. Luke.12:51-52 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.†So house of Abraham is divided because of different beliefs on Jesus, mainly to 3 Christian religions (Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants) and to two Islamic religions (Sunni and Shiite). And it has NOT been denyed that these could battle even with other sects among themself, but most commonly conflicts have happened between Islam and Christianity. Some Christians say this is about sacrifice inside real families (as in elsewhere there is used words as "mother against daughter") in case of "conversions" to another religions. Otherwise good explanation (in fact differences/similarities between "household" and f.ex. "daughter" can be seen to tell us that comparation between households and relationship with followers of other religions), but there has not been much such controversity and diversity in Christian-countries since emperor of Rome declared Christianity as only allowed religion. After that invaded areas in America, Africa and Asia have been efficiently converted, so giving protection for "converts" even from their own family. In modern secularism atheistics/traditional-believers usually could not care less if their child would like to celebrate (by singing etc.) Jesus. But in (now dominantly) Muslim-countries shift from Christian majority to Muslim majority took centuries, and so made accepting Islam very hard (even though only real dispute with Christians is position of Jesus, it might be reason why Jesus gave these words of comfort for those who are accepting Islam). Also "terrorism" and generally bad public image of Muslims has made even secular parents to panic if their children/partner finds Islam (yes, my mother too did so...). Matt.12:26-27 Jesus told us that Islam can not be from satan, as it directs worshipping and bowing to God of Abraham, reason why satan fall from heaven, and so would never tell to do so. Even Jesus spoke about God of Abraham, “Fatherâ€, not about Jehovah for example. And “I am truth, way, and life†does not mean Jesus was god, but a prophet who taught TRUTH in monotheistic teaching about one God (f.ex. Mark.12:29 and Luke.4:8), who gave us WAY and example in worshipping on knees face to ground (Matt.26:39) and being totally submitting to God, and all this will give LIFE (comfort and paradise). All Muslims have to believe in Jesus TOO to be Muslim, as Jesus said, no Muslim will be saved but through (ALSO) him (as trough all prophets). Matt.21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.†As Jesus told (to ALL people who were there, so “Christiansâ€, his followers, also, not just to priests who even might not be there then anymore, but left him after he answered theirs question much earlier), Jews (and its sect Christianity as it is based only to Jewish nation) lost kingdom of God when it was given to Arabs, ONE nation (Christianity is not based on other single nation but Jews). More debate about this: (www.)"http://ummah/forum/showthread.php?t=64807&page=3%20&pp=20"]ummah/forum/showthread.php?t=64807&page=3 &pp=20 [/url] Here Jesus announced that He has been send to direct those few chosen (usually) Christians by Bible to Islam and eventually to Muslim-countries: John.10:16 â€I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen (offspring of Ishmael, not Isaac-Jewish). I must bring them also (Jesus in Quran and monotheism/prophesies in Bible). They too will listen to my voice (same message), and there shall be one flock and one shepherd (monotheistic believers and prophets teaching about one God, now only Islam).†Matt.18:12-14 “What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the MOUNTAINS and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. In the same way, my Father in heaven does not want one of these little children to be lost.†Luke.15:4-7 “What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the DESERT (open pasture) and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbours, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost! I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. “ Here words (leaving other sheep’s at SAFELY HOME in) “MOUNTAINS†and “DESERT†describe general nature in Muslim-countries near Christian countries. Some Christians may say that these are Christians who are "directed to home by death of Jesus", but here Jesus confirmed that if Christians (99+1 sheeps) are in "true religion", then he did not come for them in general, but for (future) Muslims (that +1): Matt.9:12-13 “But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are SICK. But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.†Luke.9:56 “for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.†So Jesus WAS (prophesied) king, Messiah, he divided Rome to east and west by religious differences (about power), Muslims got East Rome because of that, Byzantium. And he “sacrificed†for sake of both Muslims and Christians, but he did not need to make it to forgive all sins of mankind, but perhaps only in describing way (for example that all who will find Islam get to start with no sins again). If Europe, America and Africa had remind in paganism and with ruler-gods, persecution for Muslims would have been much worse than it was for Christians, who did not have such strict demand for total monotheism. With saints for example Christianity were able easily to be one to replace pagan-god´s in Europe (god was replaced by saint, holidays with Christian holidays), America and Africa, and so did bring them again closer to Islam (by Bible and prophets, even by nominal "monotheism"). In Africa f.ex. Islam did not make much advance in rainforests before colonial-time and Christianity, and many Africans accepted Islam even as a protest against colonial-powers. 12:39 "He answered, ´A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.´ Jesus was understood to be dead by all but God as he said that he will be "gone", so "dead" for disciples f.ex., and so came true prophecy about his "death" (human-view), and also words of Qur´an about him not dying into crusificsion by Jews (what Allah knows). So in fact Jesus gave for some part of people in the World "postponed"/"delayed" judgment as a "people without knowledge" (like illiterate people dictated by church and interpretations of priests about Bible, translations from Qur´an came for Christians mostly in modern times), until Islam and knowledge reached them too (f.ex. by internet and immigration, immigration of Muslims into Christian countries accepted also because even Jesus immigrated too and told to "invite others in"). There is reason for existence of Christianity, and there is reason why Jesus is coming back: To direct his "owns" back into Truth again. Over 50% of world population are either Christians or Muslims, and only real difference between them is about position of Jesus. In Africa 50% of population are Muslims, in Asia 33%, there lives most poor people, and even Jesus and Qur´an both told that some have their share in this life, and some in next life (and some in both). Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much (as in India or China for example). All those areas are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus now (there is in hadiths prophecy of Mohammed, be be upon him, that he saw power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future). Matt.22:45 “If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he (Jesus) be his son?" Here only possibility could be that spirit of Jesus were born before David, and so Jesus was in “high rank†compared to David (Jesus is most mentioned prophet in Qur´an). Idea about Jesus being son of David, from descent of David, refutes idea about actual “son of Godâ€, as if Jesus had no human father, then he did not have genetically background in David who was relative of Joseph. So why would God be his genetic father then, if even David was not? ??????????? Here prophecy of Jesus from the Gospel of Matthew, where he in fact prophecies only coming of Islam in parallel, but describes other Abrahamic-religions (including his own, Christianity) with accurate time-schedule and descriptions for each religion fitted into form of parallel and its calculation about “hours of a dayâ€. (www.)"http://islamicity/forum/for...s.asp?TID=6813&%20;PN=1"]islamicity/forum/for...s.asp?TID=6813& ;PN=1[/url] Jesus prophesied Islam also in the Gospel of Luke, also in form of parallel with “time-schedule†and calculations, even Diaspora of Jews and ending of Judaism (and its branch Christianity) from “list†of right religions: (www.)"http://islamicity/forum/for...D=6446&%20;%20;PN=2"]islamicity/forum/for...D=6446& ; ;PN=2[/url] Isaiah prophesied Christianity and Islam: (www.)"http://southafrica/forums/showthread.php?t=6126"]southafrica/forums/showthread.php?t=6126[/url] JESUS GAVE WARNING ABOUT " APOSTLE " PAUL ( AND MODERN CHRISTIANITY ) WITH DESCRIPTIONS GOING ALONG WITH HIS (PAUL´S) WORDS AND ACTIONS: (www.)"http://angelfire/moon2/kora...pic_id=102%201117"]angelfire/moon2/kora...pic_id=102 1117[/url] Questions for christians: HOW would YOU interpretate these parts of gospels? Do you think that Jesus just used to give complex explanations about simple things to be described, or did he have more deeper message in it? I mean, he "kind of" pissed off LOTS OF people over there much because of these metaphores, did he end his "career" deliberately so early, in a way that he would also divert Muslims astray also at its expence (when he did not inform us about his divinity clearly enough, and even gave parallels that can be fitted to Islam too)?
  18. ISAIAH PROPHECIES ABOUT JESUS AND CHRISTIANITY, AND ABOUT SIGNS OF Islam COMING in Isa.7:5-6,13-17 earthquake killing 250 000 people in Christian Syria 526 AD+Islam Isa.9:1-6 These two prophesies describe both, Christianity and Islam, more religions themselves than prophets, and describe conditions when they appeared, and it is connected to Islam by earthquake in Syria 526 AC, that killed over 250 000 Christian Syrian’s, and by warm climate of time. Time of earthquake in prophecy is connected to time when Christianity was (most near to be) right religion before Islam came to direct into "choosing good and abandoning evil", as (most) Christians in Syria and elsewhere in Middle-East and north-Africa did, accepted Islam (in long period of time). Then was over time when Immanuel (=Christianity, Immanuel="Lord with us", describing Christians who believe that God was with them on earth), so Christians, got to eat "curds and honey" (describing especially warm centuries before coming of Islam and easy faith without much expectations like regular praying) and came time when Christians had to choose between "choosing good and refusing evil" as Islam came. That is when easy salvation , for some without knowledge, even by worshipping Jesus as a god were to end, and more demanding times came. 10. Then the LORD spoke again to Ahaz, saying, 11. "Ask a sign for yourself from the LORD your God; make it deep as Sheol or high as heaven." 12. But Ahaz said, "I will not ask, nor will I test the LORD!" 13. Then he said, "Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well? 14. "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. Immanuel is Christianity/Christians, "Lord with us" describes how Christians will believe, that God came to Earth among them. Nowadays Christians can not change this belief into any other form, as if they would deny that Jesus was not god, they should become Muslims. This is how Allah made sure that Christians believe like Quran describes and how prophesied even in Bible. 15. "He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good. Warm and agriculturally plenty centuries were just before Islam, wine was grown even in Britain that time (besides description of few nuclear-winter’s in 6th century, when sun shined only couple of hours in a day, perhaps because of big meteor that hit Earth, it could be from words of Jesus how before end of times there will be "signs in the sky", just before coming of Mohammed who began "end of times", countdown for Judgment Day). Then when Islam came, about one third from Christians in world learned how to chose good and abandon evil, in Middle-East and in North-Africa. 16. "For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken. So before Islam came and Christians learned to choose good, Syria (mentioned "land whose two kings you dread" in 7:5-6) and its lands were forsaken (in some translations "will come empty") when earthquake hit 526 AC and killed 250 000 Christian Syrians (almost total population of Syria that time). 17."The LORD will bring on you, on your people, and on your father's house such days as have never come since the day that Ephraim separated from Judah, the king of Assyria." This could be again coming back in time to time just after Jesus, and this could describe for example destruction of Jerusalem by Romans (but also other same kind of events). ---------------------------------------------------------- --------- HERE IS PROPHESIED MOHAMMED (pbuh) AND Islam: (Isa.9:1-6) Birth and Reign of the Prince of Peace 1. But there shall be no gloom to her that was in anguish. In the former time he brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time hath he made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations. "Zebulun and Naphtali" who were treated with contempt earlier is Arabia, these border areas of israel describe areas beyond borders ("on the other side of Jordan"). Arabs were so despised that Byzantium or Persia did not even want to conquer it, or to convert them to their religion. "Way of the sea" is Red Sea and Persian Gulf surrounding holy places of Muslims, (temple of even Abraham in) Mecca and Medina, and also offering connecting short sea route between Mediterranean and Indian Ocean. "Other side of Jordan" is deserts of Arabs behind Jordan (Arabs have lived there centuries before Islam), confirming that Arabs are mentioned here. 2. The people who walk in darkness Will see a great light; Those who live in a dark land, The light will shine on them. "People who walk in darkness" is Arabic pagans, without monotheistic religion. "Light" is Islam and Word of Allah, "dark land" is waste lands in deserts. 3. You shall multiply the nation, You shall increase their gladness; They will be glad in Your presence As with the gladness of harvest, As men rejoice when they divide the spoil. Nation of Arabs and lot of spoil to divide multiplied when Arabs conquered Middle-East and North-Africa. "Increase their gladness" is about Mohammed, as Jesus himself said that he has not come to brought peace bur sword. 4. For You shall break the yoke of their burden and the staff on their shoulders, The rod of their oppressor, as at the battle of Midian. "Break yoke of their burden" is sin that is abolished, Quran and Mohammed gave numerous complete instructions in hadiths what is wrong, and how to avoid it. Breaking "staff on their shoulders" is slavery, that was reduced dramatically because of Islam, as it encouraged Muslims to let slaves free (reward is better benefits in paradise). Breaking "rod of their oppressor" is destroying power of satan. 5. For every boot of the booted warrior in the battle tumult, And cloak rolled in blood, will be for burning, fuel for the fire. Islam brought centuries of peace into Middle-East (except crusades started by Christians) and to North-Africa, and peace is also what Islam means as a word. First time mankind was united, over 3 continents, and there was message about equality of all the people in the world, not under nationality but under common one God. Overall Muslims have had (against each others especially) much less wars than Christians, and those few wars have been much less bloody than in Christian countries. Also Islam gave liberty and peace for many persecuted minority Christians in Byzantium, who were not accepted by official state church (as they refused to believe into trinity or into Jesus as god for example). Of course this can also describe how sins are wiped out from those who accepts Islam (bloody clothes are burned). 6. For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. As Jesus, also Mohammed (puh) were given to us, although in case of Jesus focus is much more in his birth. Government will rest on shoulders of Mohammed, and on Him who send Mohammed and ordered him to act and to do as he did, in founding of government. This is not about Jesus, he did not found government. "Wonderful Counsellor" describes amazing Quran and numerous hadiths, over two million of them, and amount of information on those for nearly all aspects of life. "Mighty God" and "Eternal Father" describes God of Islam, Allah (not Jesus-loves-you-all-god), from Whom Mohammed (and also Jesus) preached about, and how Allah will be eternity and will not change a bit . Prince of Peace is about Allah, Islam and Mohammed together, their common affect on world and about peace they brought. 7.Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this. "Kingdom that have no end in government and peace" and "reigned from David’s throne" (throne of religions of Abraham) is Islam that spread through THREE continents from Spain to China and India in under 100 years (compare to Matt.13:33 where Jesus told that "kingdom of heaven is like leaven, that woman took and hid in THREE pecks of flour, until it was all leavened"). "Justice and righteousness" is describing what Islam emphasizes very much in its doctrine. "That time and forever" is about Islam that will never change. Zeal (from Jews and Christians going astray) of Allah will accomplish this. In early days of Islam, this had to happen as Jesus mentioned in Bible, "father against son, brother against brother...", as thousands strong tribal pagan-armies of Mecca started war for years against small outnumbered Muslim community (in beginning there were only 300 armed soldiers) expulsed to Medina..... And ALWAYS remember..... Mohammed (pbuh) did not conquer Egypt, Byzantium, Persia or Spain. It was message he delivered, after his death. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Answers for Christians refuting my interpretations:[/b] From this following passage in New Testament (Matt.4:13-17), that many will try to use to deny my interpretations, can be clearly seen that writer has interpretated himself that Jesus so fulfilled another prophecy, and twisted prophecy by fitting it into frames of this: 13. and leaving Nazareth, He came and settled in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the region of Zebulun and Naphtali. 14. This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: 15. "THE LAND OF ZEBULUN AND THE LAND OF NAPHTALI, BY THE WAY OF THE SEA, BEYOND THE JORDAN, GALILEE OF THE GENTILES-- 16. "THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING IN DARKNESS SAW A GREAT LIGHT, AND THOSE WHO WERE SITTING IN THE LAND AND SHADOW OF DEATH, UPON THEM A LIGHT DAWNED." 17. From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." First of all, these are not words of Jesus but later added prophecy by Isaiah fitted into visit of Jesus on area fitting into prophecy (in prophecy this border area of israel is just describing areas beyond borders, lands of Arabs, not just lands of Zebulun/Naphtali exclusively, in fact Jesus were only near these areas for a LITTLE TIME). In Isaiah prophecy were in future-form, here in past-form. According to Isaiah lands of Zebulun/Naphtali were "treated with contempt", and only LATER they will be given PERMANENT light (Jesus spend there only little time, Christianity little longer, but Islam is still there), so that whole land will come from dark into shining (describing deserts, which it came permanently only by Islam). So would it not have to mean that these people on these lands did not accept Jesus and his message and so were kept in darkness, or that they started worshipping prophet as a god when they at least lost rest from their glory and were in contempt. In this case Islam was one to come to clean and purify that all. Jesus himself did not require faith for “salvation through death on cross†even in Bible, it is invention of others (mainly Paul’s), although he recognized that those events have to come pass (even as fake crucifixion) because of its importance for world and in foreshadowing Islam to bring salvation closer to (otherwise) pagans who were not mentioned to receive Islam (until some time limit on some amount, which is going on now). Jesus even stated that he will be those three days like Jonah on stomach of whale, and Jonah was ALIVE inside whale. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Here prophecy of Jesus from the Gospel of Matthew, where he in fact prophecies only coming of Islam in parallel, but describes other Abrahamic-religions (including his own, Christianity) with accurate time-schedule and descriptions for each religion fitted into form of parallel and its calculation about “hours of a dayâ€. (www.)"http://islamicity/forum/for...s.asp?TID=6813&%20;PN=1"]islamicity/forum/for...s.asp?TID=6813& ;PN=1[/url] Jesus prophesied Islam also in the Gospel of Luke, also in form of parallel with “time-schedule†and calculations, even Diaspora of Jews and ending of Judaism (and its branch Christianity) from “list†of right religions: (www.)"http://islamicity/forum/for...D=6446&%20;%20;PN=2"]islamicity/forum/for...D=6446& ; ;PN=2[/url] Other prophecies of Jesus in Gospels: (www.)"http://islamicity/forum/for...TID=6445&%20;PN=3"]islamicity/forum/for...TID=6445& ;PN=3[/url] JESUS GAVE WARNING ABOUT " APOSTLE " PAUL ( AND MODERN CHRISTIANITY ) WITH DESCRIPTIONS GOING ALONG WITH HIS (PAUL´S) WORDS AND ACTIONS: (www.)"http://angelfire/moon2/kora...pic_id=102%201117"]angelfire/moon2/kora...pic_id=102 1117[/url]
  19. PROPHECIES OF JESUS ABOUT COMING OF Islam / MOHAMMED (peace be upon him), AND HE ALSO TOLD ABOUT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOKâ€-RELIGIONS (in Qur´an 600 years later!), AND TIME-SCHEDULE OF THOSE, AND TOLD ORDER OF THOSE RELIGIONS WITH DESCRIPTIONS: (Allah knows best) (These two "hidden prophecy" are connected to Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.) 1 "hour" = approx. 200 hundred years, from Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC (and so Jewish-religion 1600 BC->) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 12 hours = 200 years Matt.20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner (God) who went (send prophets) out early in the morning (before "first hour" of 12 hours of day in Jewish calendar, so Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC and Jews as a religion after them in "first hour" 1600-1400 BC) to hire men (believers) to work (for His glory) in his vineyard (Earth). 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius (paradise) for the day (world history) and sent them into his vineyard. 3. "About the third hour (1300/1200-1100 BC Sabians/Zarathustrians, even in Bible there is two "Sabians" in opposite directions, another possibly in South-Iraq) he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing (Judaism had not spread much outside their own Jewish nation). 4.He told them, 'You also (besides Judaism) go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5. So they went. "He went out again about the sixth hour (600 BC beginning of prophesies about Messiah) and the ninth hour (around 1 AC Jesus were born) and did the same thing (created Christians and Christianity, notice simple description as Jesus is speaking about religion most connected to himself). 6. ABOUT (not exactly 400-600 AC) the eleventh hour (Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him: 570-632 AC) he went out (send prophet) and found still others (Arabs) standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing (Arabs had not had religions through prophets, only polytheism-paganism)?' 7. " 'Because no one has hired us (Arabs were so despised that even Byzantium or Persia did not want to conquer and convert them),' they answered."He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.' 8. "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages (what they deserve), beginning with the last ones hired (Muslims) and going on to the first (Jews).' 9. "The workers (Muslims) who were hired about the eleventh hour (500-700 AC) came and each received a denarius. 10. So when those came who were hired first (Jews), they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner (God). 12. 'These men who were hired last (Muslims) worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day (persecutions, slavery, occupations).' 13. "But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14. Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous (you want to keep God for your nation only, as a "chosen people")?' 16. "So the last (Muslims) will be first, and the first (Jews) will be last." [Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, said that even though he was last of prophets, and Muslims are last of believers, they will be first to enter paradise, "last will be first"] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 "year" = approx. 600 years, from Abraham / Jacob 1800/1700 (and so later Jews) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 4 "year" = 600 years Luke.13:6. Then he told this parable: "A master (God) had a fig tree (symbol of israel in Bible), planted in his vineyard (Earth), and he went to look for fruit (results) on it, but did not find any. 7. So he said to the man (Jesus) who took care of the vineyard (Judaism "only true religion"/least corrupted religion in the world in times of Jesus), 'For three (3*600 = 1800) years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil (why not to do better religion)?' 8. " 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one (1*600) more year(s), and I'll dig around it and fertilize it (make world ready for Islam, also in Middle-East, "around" israel as in [Christian] Arabia/Egypt/Syria). 9. If it bears fruit next year (in 600 years), fine! If not, then cut it down (Judaism and so also its sect/branch Christianity, from way of Islam, after that “yearâ€, 600 years, passed after Jesus to death of Mohammed, pbuh, almost excactly 600 years later in 632AC).' " KORAN: 2:62 (Translation of) YUSUFALI: "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. " KORAN: 2:105 (Translation of) YUSUFALI: "It is never the wish of those without Faith among the People of the Book, nor of the Pagans, that anything good should come down to you from your Lord. But Allah will choose for His special Mercy whom He will - for Allah is Lord of grace abounding." (NOTICE THAT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOK†CAN REFER TO ALL PEOPLE F.EX. IN CHRISTIAN CULTURES, BELIEVERS OR NOT, BECAUSE Allah DOES NOT DEMAND BELIEVING INTO LIES) MY CALCULATIONS IN Matt.20:1-16 There is no mentioning if workers came in what part of each "hour" ("about") 11th = 400-600 AC, Islam 570-632AC (to beginning of 12th) 10th = 200-400 AC 9th = 1 AC-200 AC (Christianity 32 AC ->) 8th = 200 BC- 1 AD 7th = 400 BC-200 BC 6th = 600 BC-400 BC (Messiah prophesied) 5th = 800 BC-600 BC 4th = 1000 BC- 800 BC 3th = 1200-1000 BC (Sabians / Zarathustrians) 2nd = 1400 BC-1200 BC 1st = 1600 BC-1400 BC (Early Jews) "0-hour" = 1800 BC-1600 BC. ("Early in the morning he went", not actually INSIDE first hour, Jewish religion was practically born only after Jacob etc. in 1600 BC-1400 BC) Well, Jesus did not go to practice math in schools. This is not math-exam, but for people to understand some idea. And maybe he being just a human, who makes errors and has somewhat limited knowledge, is reason also to why there is least "error-marginale" (+ - inside 200 years) in places of parallel connected to himself and Christianity. MY CALCULATIONS IN Luke 13:6-9 Maybe israel AS AN OFFICIAL STATE (eventhough part of Rome and so not state) was "cut down" 70 AC, but Jewish religion and its sect Christianity did not "expire" as a (right) religions before Islam came 600 years after Jesus (Jesus 32 AC - Mohammed 632 AC) from point of Islam. israel itself as a state have no importance for God without its religion, do you Christians agree that from Bible? israel (that "tree") is not subject anymore after its cutting down (in 600 AC), but ground around it. "Ground around it" is symbol for spiritual, geological, historical and religious connection between semitistic Islamic and Jewish religions. But before it (before Islam, those last 600 years that were given extra-time) Jewish-tree has opportunity to grow fruits "next year". Obviously it did not do so as God created Islam. All that tree produced during that "year" (600 years) was form of Christianity that worshipped Jewish prophet as a god. From Jewish view those are not good fruits. Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much (as in India or China for example). All those areas are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus now (there is in hadiths prophecy of Mohammed, be be upon him, that he saw power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future). Some say this interpretation of Luke.13:6-9 is just numerical games. So tell me more reasonable and as compatible explanation. Fig tree is symbol of Judaism generally in Bible. Also when Jesus cursed fig tree in Matt.21:19 by words "may no fruit ever come from you again", he probably stated that no more prophets are going to come from Jews. And why time schedule fits so well in both of these religions, did Jesus not know about coming of Islam or did he not care how these will look? More questions for Christians refusing my interpretation in Matthews: Some would say that verses in Matt.20:1-16 question actually point to divine generosity that transcends human ideas of fairness. Yes it can do that ALSO (although first group complaining about payment because of extra-work and master getting furious about it does not really support it), but it is far more complex and long for that alone. It would have just be easy to say that master gives denar for workers, and that’s it. Most popular Christian interpretation is that here Jesus told how disciples were hired in "early in the morning" and in "third" hour as apostles (it does not make sense at all, as all disciples were "hired" at once by Jesus, not in two time periods, and why would apostles be unhappy about later Christians entering also paradise, even before them, as they were one to convert them?), and that from "sixth" to "ninth" hour is about apostle Paul (again, why it would have been said to happen between these two time-periods, and not just in one?), and that in last hour is talked about all later Christians (who will come "first even though they were last", why would they enter paradise before apostles, and especially why would apostles go mad about them going one second before them into paradise, as all mentioned in parallel are saved anyway?). Other prophecies of Jesus in Gospels: (www.)"http://islamicity/forum/for...TID=6445&%20;PN=3"]islamicity/forum/for...TID=6445& ;PN=3[/url] JESUS GAVE WARNING ABOUT " APOSTLE " PAUL ( AND MODERN CHRISTIANITY ) WITH DESCRIPTIONS GOING ALONG WITH HIS (PAUL´S) WORDS AND ACTIONS: (www.)"http://angelfire/moon2/kora...pic_id=102%201117"]angelfire/moon2/kora...pic_id=102 1117[/url]
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