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    We should do our best to follow the consensus. I've never heard of scholars who back his interpretation of the Qur'an and Hadiths.

     

    Sis, sometimes there are things that are too obvious and logical to reject and deny. How can I follow the consensus when they still have no idea on the fraud and corruption that is going on around the world? Do you realize Sheikh Imran Hosein is one of the few scholars out there who have openly declacred who the real terrorists are? It might be nothing to you but to me the reason I always talk about him is because of how much research he has done on this whole criteria and how much truth there is in it but then again if you wish to persist thats your choice, I don't have time to argue over this. In the end, the main thing is about improving ourselves and preparing for the worst to come.

     

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  2. Imran Hossain is good but he too much gives his personal opinion on Qur'an and Ahadith.

     

    I have read his book regarding dreams where he was unnecessarily trying to degrade Al-Azhar and Deoband without any proof. Though no Muslim denies that true dreams are still in existence.

     

    His views regarding Gog and Mogog also can not be taken as authority. He is just trying to catch the Ghost in the dark. Moreover Khazars can not be considered as Gog and Mogog because they were free before even before creation of israel.

     

    According to him Land means Palestine which is not correct always. Allah has also used Land for Makkah.

     

    I guess theres no point debating this whole topic with you people. At least be a bit open minded for once and review why this land Jerusalem is so important today to the zionist. Ah well it doesn't really matter what is right or wrong now because we know theres nothing left for israel to take over as the next ruling state of the world. Don't bother arguing with me on this, just go and do some research. You will find plenty of available information on who Gog and Magog is, what Jerusalem is all about and why Sheikh Imran Hosein differs from majority of the scholars. In the end people love to conform to the majority so its not much of a surprise to see so many negative comments about all these crucial topics.

     

    Anyway do you also realize that majority of the scholars still don't have a clue of the fraud in the economy of today. Its saddening indeed when people degrade him so quickly without knowledge and without even pursuing and understanding why he makes such claims.

     

    Ignorance is bliss. Subhannallah.

     

    This is what we are today, please don't deny it -

     

    # The disappearance of knowledge and the appearance of ignorance (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad)

    # Books/writing will be widespread and (religious) knowledge will be low (Ahmad)

    # Years of deceit in which the truthful person will not be believed and the liar will be believed (Ahmad)

     

    People have yet to realize this -

     

    # The leader of a people will be the worst of them (at-Tirmidhi)

    # Leaders of people will be oppressors (Al-Haythami)

     

    Something only a few would be able to recognize - litte hint (Sirius)

     

    # People will believe in the stars (Al-Haythami)

     

    How about this one ;p

     

    # There will be attempts to make the deserts green

     

     

    We are so narrow minded its unbelieveable. We are quick to criticise but slow to analyse and evaluate.

     

    Btw if you want to have a proper debate over this whole Gog and Magog then I can refer you to some forums where its going on. Just let me know.

     

    Also no offense but this quote of shows shows how much you know about this whole topic

     

    *Moreover Khazars can not be considered as Gog and Mogog because they were free before even before creation of israel.*

     

    It will be a really good move of you to research on this topic and listen or read his book rather than state his words wrongly and without much undesrtanding on the whole topic.

     

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  3. The problem here is you can only see all this from one perspective. This economy enveloped in interest is already one of the many prophecies told 1400 years ago. Do you seriously believe that those who have power in their hands use it for goodness in this modern age? The problem is your mind has already been programed to accept such changes and events without questioning it. This economic slavery is only one of the many factors that have been introduced upon mankind during this modern era.

     

    All these prophecies have already come true -

     

    # The disappearance of knowledge and the appearance of ignorance (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad)

    # Books/writing will be widespread and (religious) knowledge will be low (Ahmad)

    # Adultery and fornication will be prevalent (The Prophet, peace be upon him, said that this has never happened without new diseases befalling the people, which their ancestors had not known.) (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Al-Haythami)

    # When fornication becomes widespread among your leaders (The Prophet, peace be upon him, said that this will happen when the people stop forbidding evil) (Ibn Majah)

    # Adultery and fornication will be performed in the open

    # The consumption of intoxicants will be widespread (Bukhari & Muslim)

    # Women will outnumber men......eventually 50:1 (Bukhari, Muslim, & Ahmad)

    # Killing, killing, killing (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad)

    # The nations of the earth will gather against the Muslims like hungry people going to sit down to a table full of food. This will occur when the Muslims are large in number, but "like the foam of the sea".

    # People will beat others with whips like the tails of oxen (Muslim) ?The Slave Trade

    # The children will be filled with rage (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)

    # Children will be foul (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)

    # Women will conspire (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)

    # Rain will be acidic or burning (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)

    # Children of fornication will become widespread or prevalent (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)

    # When a trust becomes a means of making a profit (at-Tirmidhi, Al-Haythami)

    # Gains will be shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor (at-Tirmidhi)

    # Paying zakat becomes a burden and miserliness becomes widespread; charity is given reluctantly (at-Tirmidhi & Al-Haythami)

    # Miserliness will be thrown into the hearts of people (Bukhari)

    # Episodes of sudden death will become widespread (Ahmad)

    # There will be people who will be brethren in public but enemies in secret (He was asked how that would come about and replied, "Because they will have ulterior motives in their mutual dealings and at the same time will fear one another.") (at-Tirmidhi)

    # When a man obeys his wife and disobeys his mother; and treats his friend kindly while shunning his father (at-Tirmidhi)

    # When voices are raised in the Masjids (at-Tirmidhi)

    # People will walk in the marketplace with their thighs exposed

    # Great distances will be traversed in short spans of time

    # The people of Iraq will recieve no food and no money due to oppression by the Romans (Europeans) (Muslim)

    # People will hop between the clouds and the earth

    # A tribulation will enter everyone�s home (Ahmad)

    # The leader of a people will be the worst of them (at-Tirmidhi)

    # Leaders of people will be oppressors (Al-Haythami)

    # People will treat a man with respect out of fear for some evil he might do (at-Tirmidhi)

    # Men will begin to wear silk (at-Tirmidhi)

    # Female singers and musical instruments will become popular (at-Tirmidhi)

    # When singers become common (Al-Haythami)

    # People will dance late into the night

    # When the last ones of the Ummah begin to curse the first ones (at-Tirmidhi)

    # People will claim to follow the Qur'an but will reject hadith & sunnah (Abu Dawood)

    # People will believe in the stars (Al-Haythami)

    # People will reject al-Qadr (the Divine Decree of Destiny) (Al-Haythami)

    # Time will pass rapidly (Bukhari, Muslim, & Ahmad)

    # Good deeds will decrease (Bukhari)

    # Smog will appear over cities because of the evil that they are doing

    # People will be carrying on with their trade, but their will only be a few trustworthy persons

    # Wealth will increase so much so that if a man were given 10,000, he would not be content with it (Ahmad & Bukhari)

    # A man will pass by a grave and wish that he was in their place (Bukhari)

    # Earthquakes will increase (Bukhari & Muslim)

    # There will be attempts to make the deserts green

    # The appearance of false messengers (30 dajjals) (Bukhari)

    # Women will be naked in spite of being dressed, these women will be led astray & will lead others astray (Muslim)

    # The conquest of Constantinople by the Muslims (Ahmad)

    # The conquest of India by the Muslims, just prior to the return of Jesus, son of Mary (peace be upon both of them)(Ahmad, an-Nisa'i, at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)

    # When people begin to compete with others in the construction of taller buildings (Bukhari)

    # There will be a special greeting for the people of distinction (Ahmad)

    # The Euphrates will disclose a treasure (The Prophet, peace be upon him, said that whoever is present should not take anything from it) (Bukhari & Muslim)

    # Two large groups, adhering to the same religious teaching will fight each other with large numbers of casualties (Bukhari & Muslim)

    # Wild animals will be able to talk to humans (Ahmad)

    # A man will leave his home and his thigh or hip will tell him what is happening back at his home (Ahmad)

    # Years of deceit in which the truthful person will not be believed and the liar will be believed (Ahmad)

    # Bearing false witness will become widespread (Al-Haythami & Ahmad)

    # When men lie with men and women lie with women (Al-Haythami)

    # Trade will become so widespread that a woman will be forced to help her husband in business (Ahmad)

    # A woman will enter the workforce out of love for this world (Ahmad)

    # Arrogance will increase in the earth (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim)

    # Family ties will be cut (Ahmad)

    # There will be many women of child-bearing age who will no longer give birth.

    # There will be an abundance of food, much of which has no blessing in it.

    # People will refuse when offerred food.

    # Men will begin to look like women and women will begin to look like men

     

    If I were you I would read the book called 'Jerusalem in the Quran' by Sheikh Imran Hosein and understand why this holy land is so important both to muslims and zionists. Not only that but you will also understand their true agenda and how this economy all fits in together like a jigsaw puzzle.

     

    Theres no point defending these evil beings with me because I am simply going to reject your defense because I can see them in a way that you can't which is why to you it seems impossible for there to be such corruptedness in the world.

     

    Also to the above list - what do you have to say about a man who has prophecised all these points 1400 years ago and they are happening exactly as how he described? Any comments?

     

    Peace.


  4. (8) $16 trillion in government and private debt, much of which the FED

    printed and collected interest on (Reference 3)

    (9) Northpoint Tactical Team, P.O. Box 129, Topton, NC 28781

    (10) Christian Defense League, Box 449, Arabi, LA 70023

    (11) "Bulletin", June 1992 issue, P.O. Box 986, Ft. Collins, CO 80522

    (Newsletter; $3 each)

    (12) "Savings and Loan Unethical Bailout" by Rev. Casimir F. Gierut

    (13) "Dark Secrets of the New Age" by Texe Marrs

    (14) "En Route to Global Occupation" by Gary H. Kah

    (15) "One World" by John Amkerberg & John Weldon

    (16) "The Spotlight", Liberty Lobby, 300 Independence Ave. S.E.,

    Washington, D.C. 20003 (Newspaper)

    (17) "Repeal the Federal Reserve Banks" by Rev. Casimir Frank Gierut

    (18) The Constitution of the United States

    (19) "Walls in Our Minds" by M.J. Red Beckman, Common Sense Press, P.O.

    Box 1544, Billings, MT 59103. A must read book - $2.50

    (20) "The Law That Never Was" Volume I, Bill Benson & M.J. Red Beckman,

    P.O. Box 1544, Billings, MT 59103 or write to Bill Benson, P.O.

    Box 550, South Holland, IL 60473. Proof that the 16th Amendment

    (income tax) was never properly ratified.

    (21) "New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies" by William

    T. Still

    (22) "The Secrets of the Federal Reserve" by Mullins

    (23) "The Social Security & Pension Conspiracy" by Metz

    (24) "The History of the Federal Reserve. How to Replace It or How to

    Reform It" by Metz - for references 23 & 24 write to Howard Metz,

    P.O. Box 341, Malverne, LI 11565

    (25) "The New World Order" by Pat Robertson. On page 131 he states

    that we must abolish the FED.

    (26) "Operation Vampire Killer 2000", highly recommended book. $6.00 ($8.00 for 2)

    from ACLA, P.O. Box 8712, Phoenix, AZ 85066 This is a must read book with quotes

    from well known people. This book proves conspiracy. Your local police needs to read

    this book so they will protect you - not become United Nations Agents against you. This

    book will stop the New World Order plan to take over the U.S.A.

    "America Betrayed", Center For Action, 652 N. Glenview, Nesa, AZ

    85213

     

    For references 1, 12, and 17, contact The National Committee to

    Repeal the Federal Reserve Act (Reference 2)

     

    MEDIA BLACKS OUT THE FACTS

     

    Here's one terrific example. John Swinton, the former Chief of Staff for the New York

    Times, was one of New York's best loved newspapermen. Called by his peers "The

    Dean of his Profession", John was asked in 1953 to give a toast before the New York

    Press Club, and in so doing, made a monumentally important and revealing statement.

    He is quoted as follows:

     

    "There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent

     

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    press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest

    opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am

    paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others

    of you are paid similar weekly salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be

    so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another

    job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before

    twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to

    destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and

    to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what

    folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men

    behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our

    talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men. We are

    intellectual prostitutes."

     

    RICHARD M. COHAN, Senior Producer of CBS political news said: "We are going to

    impose OUR AGENDA on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that WE

    choose to deal with."

     

    RICHARD SALANT, former President of CBS News stated: "Our job is to give people

    not what they want, but what WE decide they ought to have."

     

    And what is "their" agenda? What do they believe we, the American people, - THE

    COMMON HERD, "...ought to have?" Here is the answer:

     

    NORMAN THOMAS - For many years the U.S. Socialist Presidential candidate

    proclaimed: "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the

    name of "liberalism" they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one

    day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing what happened."

     

    HERMAN DISMORE, foreign editor of the New York Times from 1950 to 1960: "The

    New York Times is deliberately pitched to the liberal (socialist) point of view."

     

    WALTER CRONKITE: "News reporters are certainly liberal (socialists) and left of

    center."

     

    BARBARA WALTERS: "The news media in general are liberals (socialists)."

     

    Reference for everything above - Operation Vampire Killer, P.O. Box 8712, Phoenix,

    AZ 85066

     

    The world, finally including even the balky American public, is "being rapidly educated

    into overcoming limited patriotism" and accepting "United Nations solutions to common

    global problems," said Henry Kissinger.

     

    Bilderberg participants expressed satisfaction with progress toward world government

    on two fronts:

     

    * Establishing a UN tax to not only finance new global programs, but to condition

    "citizens of the world" to paying tribute.

    * Conditioning the public -- again, especially "those stubborn Americans" -- to accept

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    the idea of a UN army that could, by force, impose its will on the internal affairs of any

    nation.

     

    "Today, Americans would be outraged if UN forces entered Los Angeles to

    restore order; tomorrow, they will be grateful," Kissinger said (of the

    1992 Los Angeles riot).

     

    Kissinger reported on a shocking speech made by UN Secretary General Butrous Ghali

    to the American Association of Newspaper Publishers at UN headquarters in New York

    in early May. The publishers' newspapers covered up the story.

     

    The UN Security Council must have a permanent force that can be deployed anywhere

    in the world, instantly, to "protect the peace" and "ensure human rights" the

    secretary-general told the newspaper publishers.

     

    UN TO INVADE U.S.

     

    This force must be allowed to intervene "at the local and community levels," the UN

    leader told the American publishers.

     

    What is "especially gratifying," Kissinger said, "is that the publishers showed no

    reservations about the prospects of UN forces landing in the United States and imposing

    the UN's will."

     

    Reference - The Spotlight, June 8, 1992, page 10. Liberty Lobby, 300 Independence

    Ave. S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003 (Newspaper)

     

    SUMMARY OF QUICK FACTS

     

    * Various dates and proofs that the Bankers created panic to push Congress to pass laws

    favoring bankers... Reference 22

    * President Wilson received $85,000 bribe from bankers... Reference 22, pages 25-26

    * How England, through the Bankers, controls our Congress... Reference 22, pages

    47-48

    * Rockefeller is connected to President Carter... Reference 22, page 171; Reference 25,

    page 103

    * How George Bush is directly connected to the FED bank... Reference 22, page 49

    * President Hoover and President Roosevelt were international Bankers... Reference 22,

    pages 69-71 and pages 157-159

    * President Nixon was hired by Rockefeller's law firm to become President... Reference

    25, pages 100-101

    * FED owner's manual to destroy and control U.S. citizens... Reference 22, pages 55-56

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    * Proof Bankers claim they control the government... Reference 22, page 59

    * Proof the FED knowingly created the Great Depression for their gain... Reference 22,

    pages 137-170

    * FED bankers are directly linked to the New World Order and the United Nations. New

    World Order was discussed by George Bush, Rockefeller, Adolph Hitler, and Jimmy

    Carter... Reference 25, pages 5-7

    * The Great Seal on back of the FED $1 bill, below pyramid, the NOVUS ORDO

    SECLORUM means "New World of the Ages" or --->> New World Order... Reference

    25, page 35

    * How the Banker's tax-exempt organizations fund activities to destroy America's

    freedom by attacking our Constitution and way of life... Reference 25, pages 138-159;

    Reference 14 (throughout whole book)

    * Senator Barry Goldwater warned of economic powers capable of bypassing or

    controlling the political powers. Bank induced depression is possible in the future to

    force political change... Reference 25, 131

    * Rockefeller's money was used to seize control of America's teaching and training of

    students by rewriting history and textbooks. Rockefeller has also funded the National

    Education Association (NEA)... Reference 14, page 61

    * Gary Kah, high-ranking government liaison having first-hand knowledge of the New

    World Order exposes the truth. Read his book and En Route To Global Occupation...

    Reference 14

    QUICK FACTS FROM TOM SCHAUF:

     

    First, we must uphold the Constitution. Please call the Hotline (217-854-7504) weekly

    for new information. When a state considers a Constitutional Convention, concerned

    Americans call the Hotline and it gives us the names and telephone numbers of the

    legislators involved. It tells us exactly what to say, and to whom. The Hotline helps us to

    fight and win!

     

    Secondly, we must change the opinions of the masses with information. The brochure

    has been a big help, and once 10% of the population agrees to abolish the FED, the rest

    will follow.

     

    It is obvious the media (radio and newspapers) have lied about the FED and the efforts

    of FED-UP to educate people with the truth. This will not stop us - we will persist!

    Decide for yourself if you want to win America back. If 10,000 patriotic Americans each

    distribute 1,000 brochures, 10 million Americans will become informed. It would be

    almost impossible to stop people from talking about abolishing the FED if that many

    Americans were informed. Another way you can participate is to put a bumper sticker

    on your car. Over 1,000 people every month will see that bumper sticker about

    abolishing the FED.

     

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    If you think our goal is impossible, remember this; only 3% of Americans supported the

    Revolutionary War, and we won that war. We can win this war too, but only with your

    help.

     

    IN CLOSING

     

    For the secret owners of the FED to control the volume of money and become our

    absolute masters, they had to get the Gold away from our grandparents. This was

    accomplished in 1933 with the threats of fines and imprisonments by their President

    Franklin D. Roosevelt with aide Harry Hopkins, who said... "Elect, elect, elect, tax, tax,

    tax, spend, spend, spend, for the people are too damned stupid to understand". By the

    way, Roosevelt was an international Banker. See Fool's Gold is Green by Winston

    Smith.

     

    THE FED IS SLOWLY DESTROYING AMERICA

     

    Our government never had a chance...with political corruption ravaging its Constitution.

    The *real facts* don't lie...and neither do government documents...Congressional

    Record, Congressman Wright Patman, A Primer On Money prepared by the

    Sub-committee on Domestic Finance, House of Representatives, Committee on Banking

    and Currency - 88th Congress, 2nd session, August 4th, 1964 and December 23, 1913,

    page 1464 & 1478.

     

    Congressional Record, Congressman Louis McFadden, June 10, 1932, House of

    Representatives, pages 12604-12605

     

    Congressional Record, 98th Congress, 1st session, February 3, 1983, Congressman Ron

    Paul

     

    Congressional Record, Committee on Banking and Currency, House of Representatives,

    77th Congress, 1st session, Tuesday, September 30, 1941, pages 1342-1345

     

    THERE ARE MANY MORE CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONIALS

     

    IS THERE BIAS IN THE MEDIA REGARDING THE FED?

     

    DURING THE TV PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES, CLINTON WAS ASKED SHOULD

    THERE BE RESTRICTIONS ON THE FED? THE NEXT DAY, MAJOR

    NEWSPAPERS SAID THEY COVERED THE WHOLE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE

    TEXT, BUT MANY NEWSPAPERS ELIMINATED THIS ONE QUESTION. CHECK

    YOUR LIBRARY!

     

    The Revolutionary War was fought and the Constitution was written to prevent other

    nations and private banks from issuing (printing) money and controlling our currency.

     

    In 1913, members of Congress committed treason and violated their oath of office to

    defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic by voting in the

    Federal Reserve Bank.

     

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    For the New World Order to create a one world government, they must control a central

    bank, eliminate the Constitution, end Christian values, disarm America, and control the

    media. The Council on Foreign Relations has openly said they will take us over in favor

    of a one world government. The American people must be warned or we may lose our

    freedom forever. If we do not demand our rights and uphold the Constitution, the CFR

    and bankers will continue their march toward socialism. If we allow them to continue,

    they will abolish our rights and put an end to our present government. I urge all

    Americans to distribute the "main" FED-UP brochure ("saving $6000 in taxes per year,

    per person & balancing the budget) and collect signatures on the petition (see order form

    in the main brochure). Then all informed Americans can take action and hold their

    politicians accountable. The bankers control the media, but can not stop patriotic

    Americans from using copy machines to distribute information and inform America.

    Once informed, people will demand an explanation why Congress allowed this fraud as

    the media appeared to be independent and investigative, but remained silent on this

    important issue.

     

    The ones who scream the loudest to keep the Federal Reserve Bank probably profit the

    most.

     

    [About the Author:]

     

    Thomas D. Schauf, CPA, is a national speaker to Certified Public Accountants and

    business leaders. Mr. Schauf's expertise includes banking, the economy, business

    appraisals, mergers, and acquisitions.

     

    We are looking for leaders in all states to help us abolish the FED. Please write and let

    us know you're willing to help. The future of America depends on you.

     

    CONTRIBUTIONS TO CONTINUE THE CAUSE ARE APPRECIATED

     

    PLEASE HELP DISTRIBUTE INFORMATION AND COLLECT SIGNATURES ON

    PETITIONS

     

    Mr. Schauf and other speakers are available to speak at seminars, group meetings, on

    radio, and on television.

    FED-UP * P.O. Box 834 * Streamwood, IL 60103-0834

     

    © 1992 Thomas D. Schauf

    PLEASE COPY AND DISTRIBUTE WIDELY WITH NO CHANGES

     

    Acknowledgements:

     

    Our country likes to thank our forefathers for the Constitution.

     

    I wish to thank Mr. Lou Gamboa for his research of the Constitution and our banking

    system. Lou Gamboa is a national speaker on the subject, and has spoken on numerous

    radio programs in an effort to educate the public.

     

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    I also want to thank Bob Corcoran for his research and encouragement.

     

    I applaud the thousands of patriotic Americans who are spreading the word so we can

    live in economic prosperity and uphold our Constitutional rights.

     

    ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 OF THE CONSTITUTION STATES THAT CONGRESS

    SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO COIN (CREATE) MONEY AND REGULATE THE

    VALUE THEREOF.

     

    IN 1935 THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT CONGRESS CANNOT

    CONSTITUTIONALLY DELEGATE ITS POWER TO ANOTHER GROUP.

    (Reference 22, P. 168)

     

    Rothschild, a London Banker, wrote a letter saying "It (Central Bank ) gives the

    National Bank almost complete control of national finance. The few who understand the

    system will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there

    will be no opposition from that class... The great body of the people, mentally incapable

    of comprehending, will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without even

    suspecting that the system is inimical (contrary) to their interests." [The bankers created

    the legislation for the FED]

     

    In 1913, before the Senate Banking and Currency Committee, Mr. Alexander stated:

    "But the whole scheme of a Federal Reserve Bank with its commercial-paper basis is an

    impractical, cumbersome machinery, is simply a cover, to find a way to secure the

    privilege of issuing money and to evade payment of as much tax upon circulation as

    possible, and then control the issue and maintain, instead of reduce, interest rates. It is a

    system that, if inaugurated, will prove to the advantage of the few and the detriment of

    the people of the United States. It will mean continued shortage of actual money and

    further extension of credits; for when there is a lack of real money people have to

    borrow credit to their cost."

     

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    The Federal Reserve is

     

    PRIVATELY OWNED

     

    by Thomas D. Schauf

     

     

    "There is a self-satisfied dogmatism with which mankind at each period of its history

     

    cherishes the delusion of the finality of existing modes of knowledge."

     

    Alfred North Whitehead

     

    Dear American:

     

    Pursuant to your request, I will attempt to clear up questions you have

    about the Federal Reserve Bank (FED). I spent much time researching the

    FED and these are the shocking and revealing conclusions.

     

    THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY.

     

    Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the

    power to coin (create) money and regulate the value thereof. Today

    however, the FED, which is a privately owned company, controls and

    profits by printing money through the Treasury, and regulating its value.

     

    The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became

    owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - the stock is not

    publicly traded) in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up

    an international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison (Reference

    1, 14). The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8,

    17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The

    Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the

    Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from

    nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on

    our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed

    on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many

    Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17).

     

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    Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of

    the 12 Central banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed:

     

    Rothschild Bank of London

    Warburg Bank of Hamburg

    Rothschild Bank of Berlin

    Lehman Brothers of New York

    Lazard Brothers of Paris

    Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York

    israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy

    Goldman, Sachs of New York

    Warburg Bank of Amsterdam

    Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

     

    (Reference 14, P. 13, Reference 12, P. 152)

     

    These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which

    ultimately control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War

    with America (our forefathers were fighting their own government), they

    planned to control us by controlling our banking system, the printing of

    our money, and our debt (Reference 4, 22).

     

    The individuals listed below owned banks which in turn owned shares in

    the FED. The banks listed below have significant control over the New

    York FED District, which controls the other 11 FED Districts. These

    banks also are partly foreign owned and control the New York FED

    District Bank. (Reference 22)

     

    First National Bank of New York

    James Stillman National City Bank, New York

    Mary W. Harnman

    National Bank of Commerce, New York

     

    A.D. Jiullard

    Hanover National Bank, New York

    Jacob Schiff

    Chase National Bank, New York

    Thomas F. Ryan

    Paul Warburg

    William Rockefeller

    Levi P. Morton

    M.T. Pyne

    George F. Baker

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    Percy Pyne

    Mrs. G.F. St. George

     

    J.W. Sterling

    Katherine St. George

    H.P. Davidson

    J.P. Morgan (Equitable Life/Mutual Life)

    Edith Brevour T. Baker

    (Reference 4 for above, Reference 22 has details, P. 92, 93, 96, 179)

     

    How did it happen? After previous attempts to push the Federal Reserve

    Act through Congress, a group of bankers funded and staffed Woodrow

    Wilson's campaign for President. He had committed to sign this act. In

    1913, a Senator, Nelson Aldrich, maternal grandfather to the

    Rockefellers, pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress just

    before Christmas when much of Congress was on vacation (Reference 3,

    4, 5). When elected, Wilson passed the FED. Later, Wilson remorsefully

    replied (referring to the FED), "I have unwittingly ruined my country"

    (Reference 17, P. 31).

     

    Now the banks financially back sympathetic candidates. Not surprisingly,

    most of these candidates are elected (Reference 1, P. 208-210, Reference

    12, P. 235, Reference 14, P. 36). The bankers employ members of the

    Congress on weekends (nickname T&T club -out Thursday...-in Tuesday)

    with lucrative salaries (Reference 1, P. 209). Additionally, the FED

    started buying up the media in the 1930's and now owns or significantly

    influences most of it Reference 3, 10, 11, P. 145).

     

    Presidents Lincoln, Jackson, and Kennedy tried to stop this family of

    bankers by printing U.S. dollars without charging the taxpayers interest

    (Reference 4). Today, if the government runs a deficit, the FED prints

    dollars through the U.S. Treasury, buys the debt, and the dollars are

    circulated into the economy. In 1992, taxpayers paid the FED banking

    system $286 billion in interest on debt the FED purchased by printing

    money virtually cost free (Reference 12, P. 265). Forty percent of our

    personal federal income taxes goes to pay this interest. The FED's books

    are not open to the public. Congress has yet to audit it.

     

    Congressman Wright Patman was Chairman of the House of

    Representatives Committee on Banking and Currency for 40 years. For

    20 of those years, he introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve

    Banking Act of 1913.

     

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    Congressman Henry Gonzales, Chairman of a banking committee,

    introduces legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913

    nearly every year. It's always defeated, the media remains silent, and the

    public never learns the truth. The same bankers who own the FED control

    the media and give huge political contributions to sympathetic members

    of Congress (Reference 12, P. 155-163, Reference 22, P. 158, 159, 166).

     

    THE FED FEARS THE POPULATION WILL BECOME

    AWARE OF THIS FRAUD AND DEMAND CHANGE

     

    We, the People, are at fault for being passive and allowing this to

    continue.

     

    Rep. Louis T. McFadden (R. Pa.) rose from office boy to become cashier

    and then President of the First National Bank in Canton Ohio. For 12

    years he served as Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency,

    making him one of the foremost financial authorities in America. He

    fought continuously for fiscal integrity and a return to constitutional

    government (Reference 1). The following are portions of Rep.

    McFadden's speech, quoted from the Congressional Record, pages

    12595-12603:

     

    "THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD, A GOVERNMENT BOARD,

    HAS CHEATED THE GOVERNMENTOF THE UNITED STATES

    AND THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OUT OF ENOUGH

    MONEY TO PAY THE NATIONAL DEBT.

     

    The depredations and the iniquities of the Federal Reserve Board and the

    Federal Reserve banks acting together have cost this country ENOUGH

    MONEY TO PAY THE NATIONAL DEBT SEVERAL TIMES OVER."

     

    About the Federal Reserve banks, Rep. McFadden said, "They are private

    credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the

    benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic

    speculators and swindlers; the rich and predatory money lenders. This is

    an era of economic misery and for the reasons that caused that misery, the

    Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks are fully liable."

     

    On the subject of media control he state, "Half a million dollars was spent

    on one part of the propaganda organized by those same European bankers

     

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    for the purpose of misleading public opinion in regard to it."

     

    Rep. McFadden continued, "Every effort has been made by the Federal

    Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve

    Board has USURPED THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED

    STATES. IT CONTROLS EVERYTHING HERE AND IT CONTROLS

    ALL OUR FOREIGN RELATIONS. IT MAKES AND BREAKS

    GOVERNMENTS AT WILL.

     

    No man and no body of men is more entrenched in power than the

    arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board and

    the Federal Reserve banks. These evil-doers have robbed this country of

    more than enough money to pay the national debt. What the Government

    has permitted the Federal Reserve Board to steal from the people should

    now be restored to the people."

     

    "Our people's money to the extent of $1,200,000,000 has within the last

    few months been shipped abroad to redeem Federal Reserve Notes and to

    pay other gambling debts of the traitorous Federal Reserve Board and the

    Federal Reserve banks. The greater part of our monetary stock has been

    shipped to foreigners. Why should we promise to pay the debts of

    foreigners to foreigners? Why should American Farmers and wage

    earners add millions of foreigners to the number of their dependents?

    Why should the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks be

    permitted to finance our competitors in all parts of the world?" Rep.

    McFadden asked.

     

    "The Federal Reserve Act should be repealed and the Federal Reserve

    banks, having violated their charters, should be liquidated immediately.

     

    FAITHLESS GOVERNMENT OFFICERS WHO HAVE VIOLATED

    THEIR OATHS SHOULD BE IMPEACHED AND BROUGHT TO

    TRIAL", Rep. McFadden concluded (Reference 1, contains an entire

    chapter on Rep. McFadden's speech).

     

    If the media is unbiased, independent and completely thorough, why

    haven't they discussed the FED? Currently, half the states have at least a

    grass roots movement in action to abolish the FED, but there's no press

    coverage. In July, 1968, the House Banking Subcommittee reported that

    Rockefeller, through Chase Manhattan Bank, controlled 5.9% of the

    stock in CBS. Furthermore, the bank had gained interlocking directorates

    with ABC.

     

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    In 1974, Congress issued a report stating that the Chase Manhattan

    Bank's stake in CBS rose to 14.1% and NBC to 4.5% (through RCA, the

    parent company of NBC). The same report said that the Chase Manhattan

    Bank held stock in 28 broadcasting firms. After this report, the Chase

    Manhattan Bank obtained 6.7% of ABC, and today the percentage could

    be much greater. It only requires 5% ownership to significantly influence

    the media (Reference 14, P. 56-57). This is only one of 300 wealthy

    shareholders of the FED. It is believed other FED owners have similar

    holdings in the media. To control the media, FED bankers call in their

    loans if the media disagrees with them (Reference 25, P. 134-137).

     

    Rockefeller also controls the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the

    sole purpose of which is to aid in stimulating greater interest in foreign

    affairs and in a one world government. Nearly every major newscaster

    belongs to the Council on Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign

    Relations controls many major newspapers and magazines. Additionally,

    major corporations owned by FED shareholders are the source of huge

    advertising revenues which surely would influence the media (Reference

    14, P. 56-59). It can be no wonder why groups such as FED-UP

    receive minimal, if any, press attention.

     

    How do taxpayers stop financing those whose purpose it is to destroy us?

    First, expose their activity, then demand change.

     

    THE SOLUTION:

     

    Currently all we do is exchange FED money (interest attached) for real

     

    U.S. money (interest-free) dollar for dollar as Kennedy tried to do. We

    should not be required to pay interest on our own currency. According to

    Benjamin Franklin, this was one of the primary reasons we fought the

    Revolutionary War. Today we are still fighting the same family of

    bankers (Reference 4, Reference 1, P. 211, 212).

    The U.S. Government can buy back the FED at any time for $450 million

    (per Congressional record). The U.S. Treasury could then collect all the

    profit on our money instead of the 300 original shareholders of the FED.

    The $4 trillion of U.S. debt could be exchanged dollar for dollar with

     

    U.S. non- interest bearing currency when the debt becomes due. There

    would be no inflation because there would be no additional currency in

    circulation. Personal income tax could be cut if we bought back the FED

    and therefore, the economy would expand. According to the Constitution,

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    Congress is to control the creation of money, keeping the amount of

    inflation or deflation in check. If Congress isn't doing their job, they

    should be voted out of office. Unfortunately, voters can't vote the FED or

    its Chairman out of office.

     

    If the government has a deficit, we could handle it as Lincoln and

    Kennedy did. Print money and circulate it into the economy, but this time

    interest-free. Today the FED, through foreign banks, owns much of our

    debt and therefore controls us. The FED will cease to exist as taxpayers

    become informed and tell other taxpayers. The news media and Congress

    will have no choice but to meet the demands of grass roots America.

    (Reference 1, P. 17, 22)

     

    AMERICA DECEIVED

     

    By law (check the Congressional record), we can buy back the FED for

    the original investment of the FED's 300 shareholders, which is $450

    million (Reference 1, P. 227, Reference 17, P. 36). If each taxpayer paid

    $25, we could buy back the FED and all the profit would flow into the

     

    U.S. Treasury. In other words, by Congress allowing the constitutionally

    illegal FED to continue, much of your taxes go to the shareholders of the

    FED and their bankers. Note: The people who enacted the FED started

    the IRS, within months of the FED's inception. The FED buys U.S. debt

    with money they printed from nothing, then charges the U.S. taxpayers

    interest. The government had to create income tax to pay the interest

    expense to the FED's shareholders, but the income tax was never legally

    passed (Reference 20 shows details, state-by-state why it was not legally

    passed). The FED is illegal, per Article 1, Section 8 of the United States

    Constitution. Not one state legally ratified the 16th Amendment making

    income tax legal.

    Currently, fewer and fewer Americans are being convicted for refusal to

    pay income taxes. In IRS jury trials, the jury, by law, must decide if the

    law is just. If taxpayers do not believe the law is just, the jury may

    declare the accused innocent. Judges are legally bound to inform juries of

    their right to determine the fairness of a law. Judges often do not disclose

    this information so they can control the court outcome. Luckily, more and

    more citizens are becoming informed. If one juror feels the law is unfair,

    they can find the defendant innocent (Reference 19). In Utah, the IRS

    quit prosecuting taxpayers because jurors verdict is not guilty. Please tell

    your friends and sit in the next jury.

     

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    If we eliminate the FED and uphold the Constitution, we could balance

    the budget and cut personal income tax to almost nothing. In

    Congressional hearings on September 30, 1941, FED Chairman Eccles

    admitted that the FED creates new money from thin air (printing press),

    and loans it back to us at interest (Reference 17, P. 93). On June 6, 1960,

    FED President Mr. Allen admitted essentially the same thing (Reference

    22, P. 164). If you or I did this we would go to jail.

     

    It is time to abolish the FED! Tell your friends the truth and win America

    back. We don't even need to buy back the FED. We only need to print

    money the way the Constitution requires, not the new proposed

    international money. We want to keep our sovereignty and print real U.S.

    money.

     

    Why has Congress allowed the FED to continue? If a Congressperson

    tries to abolish the FED, the banks fund the Congressperson's opponent in

    the next election (Reference 17, P. 35). The new Congressperson will

    obviously support the FED. When Congresspeople retire, political

    campaign funds are not taxed. Get elected and be a millionaire if you vote

    right. By the way, the profit of the FED is not taxed either (Reference 1,

    9). Once America understands, and takes action, Congresspeople will

    then gladly abolish the FED. In 1992, Illinois Congressman Crane

    introduced a bill, co-sponsored by 40 other Congressman, to audit the

    FED. This is a step in the right direction.

     

    America is a great nation. As "We the People" become informed, the

    media and Congress will be forced to buy back the FED, balance the

    budget, significantly cut taxes, and stop allowing bribes to determine

    voting strategies. I have already heard from politicians who claim they

    will change their platform to include abolishing the FED if enough people

    become informed.

     

    IT IS UP TO YOU TO INFORM THE PEOPLE.

     

    The FED hopes you will be passive and not act on this information. We

    believe in grass roots America - we are waking up America. Ultimately,

    the battle plan is to inform all Americans and demand change in the

    media and Congress. True Americans should run for office and throw out

    the politicians who allow this fraud to continue. Congress may refuse to

    deal with this issue. That's why each person needs to go to their local

    county/state government with the proper paperwork and ask them to

    abolish the FED. With the proper documents, they are legally obligated to

     

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    do it.

     

    WE NEED LEADERS TO BEGIN THIS ACTION. WILL YOU HELP?

     

    Consider this fact. Most of the given sources in this booklet show how the

    blood line of family bankers who own the FED funded both sides of all

    major wars. They created fake colonial money to destroy the Americans

    during the Revolutionary War and tried to finance both sides in the

    American Civil War. Abraham Lincoln refused and the South accepted.

    Many publications show that these bankers financed World War I, World

    War II, and the Russian Revolutionary War, which helped Napoleon,

    Lenin, and Hitler come to power. They financed both sides from money

    created from nothing and profited greatly. These same bankers created a

    number of American depressions to change the U.S. legislation and seize

    our wealth. Read the sources for details. This is why our forefathers wrote

    in the Constitution that only Congress can issue money - not private

    banks (Reference 18).

     

    More wars create more debt which means more profit to the bankers

    (Reference 1, 21). These bankers planned three world wars so people

    would welcome United Nations intervention to govern the world in

    peace, not war. (Reference 22 gives specific details on World War I and

    World War II, showing exactly how the bankers were responsible for the

    beginning and continuation of these wars for their profit).

     

    The banks have publicly announced they will force us to a cashless

    society by 1997. Furthermore, they plan to create a one world

    government through the United Nations headed by the FED, Trilaterals,

    and the Council on Foreign Relations (Reference 3). By the definition of

    treason, they have committed treason! This means you lose your rights

    under the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Does this sound far fetched?

    Twenty-four U.S. Senators (two of them presidential candidates, Harkin

    & Tsongas) and 80 Representatives have signed a "Declaration of

    Interdependence." This Declaration, designed to make a one world

    government, is treason to the oath of office they took. The media

    remained silent. The FED announced publicly that their first objective

    was to get nationalism out of the American people's heads because

    patriotism to a country would not be of value in the future. The media

    makes us think the U.N. has all the answers, and to "think globally."

    Congress passed a law stopping certain individuals from being tried for

    this treason (Reference 6, Reference 1, P. 191-198). Why pass this law if

     

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    no treason was committed? State Department document 7277 calls for the

    disarming of America, thus turning our sovereignty over to a one-world

    government. Again, the media is pushing to eliminate guns. Our

    forefathers believed that the right to bear arms would prevent a takeover

    of our government. History shows that before any government took over,

    they disarmed the citizens. Hitler did it, and before our Revolutionary

    War, King George told us to disarm - good thing we didn't!

     

    Under the Federal Reserve Bank Act, the bankers control our economy.

    The FED controls interest rates and the amount of money in the economy.

    These factors determine either economic prosperity or the lack thereof.

    Bankers are now pushing for a one world government and a cashless

    society. Why cashless? No cash means no money for drugs, no theft, and

    the ability to collect taxes on the underground economy. Anyone who

    wouldn't support a cashless society must be a drug dealer, thief, or tax

    evader, right? What a cashless society really means is the banks can now

    control you. Today you fear the IRS. In a cashless society, if you disagree

    with the bankers' political goals, you'll find your money gone via

    computer error. (For additional information on a cashless society, read

    Reference 13, P. 174; Reference 3; Reference 14, P. 9-12; Reference 15,

     

    P. 136; Reference 25, P. 216).

    If you could accurately predict future interest rates, inflation and

    deflation, you would know when to buy or sell stocks and make a bundle

    of money. The FED has secret meetings (per Congressional Record) to

    determine future interest rates and the amount of money to be printed.

    The Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) by law, stops insiders from

    profiting by privileged information. Congressional records prove that

    FED bankers routinely hold secret meetings to profit by manipulating the

    stock market via interest rates and the amount of money they create. FED

    bankers also profit greatly from economic disasters like the Depression

    (Reference 22, P. 56). The bankers create inflation, sell their stocks

    before the market crashes, then buy up stocks at cheaper prices. Bankers

    admitted this to Congress. This violates the law, yet Congress does not

    act because these bankers are large political contributors (Reference 17,

     

    P. 96-98; Reference 1, P. 162-163; Reference 22, P. 114-170 & P. 136).

    Thomas Jefferson predicted this scenario if we ever allowed a private

    bank, like the FED, to create our currency (Reference 1, P. 247).

    FED Chairman Burns states "Killing can be made simply by knowing the

    next few months newspapers ahead of time." Congressman Patman said

    "The FED officials own more than 100 million dollars (of stocks) while

     

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    making decisions influencing these stock prices..." (Reference 24, P.

    123). History proves that banks profit from bankrupting a nation

    (Reference 22, P. 56).

     

    Congress consistently defeats balanced budget amendments. In the past

    30 years, Congress has raised our taxes 56 times and balanced the budget

    only once. We need the sound banking system our forefathers wanted us

    to have. History proves that banking systems like the FED don't work.

    Major world powers have been destroyed over similar banking systems

    (Reference 1). If we don't change this system NOW, in five years the only

    thing our taxes will pay is the interest on the national debt.

     

    Section 7 of the Federal Reserve Act, passed December 23, 1913, states

    that much of the profit of the FED should flow into the U.S. Treasury. In

    1959, new legislation allowed the FED to transfer bonds to commercial

    banks at no cost to the bank. Now the FED receives less interest income

    and less profit for the U.S. Treasury because the money is diverted to

    other banks through an accounting entry (Reference 17, P. 115-130).

    Congress and the IRS do not have access to the financial records of the

    FED. Every year Congress introduces legislation to audit the FED, and

    every year it is defeated. The FED banking system could easily be netting

    100s of billions in profit each year. Through "creative accounting" profit

    can easily be reclassified as expense (Reference 14, P. 20, Reference 17,

     

    P. 239). Within the first few years, the shareholders of the FED received

    their initial investment back with no risk. All the income is tax-free,

    except for property tax, according to the Federal Reserve Act. When are

    the profits of the FED going to start flowing into the Treasury so that

    average Americans are no longer burdened with excessive, unnecessary

    taxes? Clearly, Congress cannot or will not control the FED. IT IS TIME

    TO ABOLISH IT!

    3 WAYS TO ABOLISH THE FED AND ISSUE MONEY PER THE

    UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8:

     

    * Buy back the FED and have the U.S. Government collect all profits.

    * Abolish the FED by printing real U.S. dollars as President Kennedy

    attempted (Executive Order 11.110, 1963) (Reference 4).

    * Request your county/state to use their Constitutional powers to abolish

    the FED. This is the BEST SOLUTION. Nearly half the states are

    attempting or considering this action (Reference 5). Congress has had 80

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    years to follow the Constitution, and has refused to abolish the illegal

    FED. The state/county effort is working faster than any other method. We

    need your support to start a local chapter of FED-UP Inc. and petition

    your county.

     

    THE WRONG SOLUTION THAT HAS FAILED FOR 80 YEARS:

     

    Congress and the media may want to require the FED to return the

    required profits into the U.S. Treasury (per the Federal Reserve Act,

    1913). The problem is that with "creative accounting" techniques, profit

    can be easily masked as expense. The FED has expensed items illegally

    to lower profit (Reference 17).

     

    "We the People" have pushed the following states to pass or introduce

    legislation calling for an end to the FED: Arizona, Washington, Arkansas,

    Idaho, Oregon, Indiana, and Texas. We still need your signatures on

    petitions, even if you live in these states. Many other states are

    considering such action due to your petitions. These states and a few

    honest Congresspeople are powerless until all Americans become

    informed and demand change. Please pass out the petition. Once we

    demand change, the media will have to report the whole truth and not just

    push their own agenda. FED-UP challenges the media to expose the

    facts on prime time talk shows or news programs.

     

    By abolishing the FED, we would not pay interest on Federal Reserve

    Notes. Until it is abolished, the FED has a monopoly on profit on our

    currency and whether our money supply will be increased or decreased,

    inflation or depression. The banks are capable of controlling business by

    controlling who can or cannot obtain a loan.

     

    WE'VE DONE OUR PART - NOW IT IS UP TO YOU TO SPREAD

    THE WORD. Please take the brochure (Cutting taxes $6,000 per family

    per year) to VFW, Moose/Elk Lodges, Bars, Union Halls, Churches, and

    Association groups. Make copies of the "single-page" brochure for

    everyone at work and ask your friends to do the same. Ask small business

    owners in your community to tell other business owners and spread the

    brochure and petition through the local Chamber of Commerce. CPAs

    should be interested in saving their clients taxes. Ask your CPA to mail

    the brochure and petition out to his/her clients. Upon receiving this

    petition, many presidents of large corporations made this brochure and

    petition available to all employees. Once people are informed, we can

     

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    force a change. People will have more money to spend, the economy will

    be strong, and we can keep our Constitutional rights, liberties, and

    freedoms.

     

    Contact your library for the names and addresses of your local and federal

    Congresspeople. MAIL THEM AN ENVELOPE WITHOUT YOUR

    NAME AND ADDRESS ATTACHED. In the envelope, say

    "FED-UP Inc. Abolish the FED." Also enclose one teabag (Boston

    Tea Party). Ask your friends to do the same (give them the addresses).

    Politicians are aware of the "Teabag Protest." If you don't mail it in,

    they're going to believe that we're not organized or we just don't care. IF

    YOU DON'T DO IT NO ONE ELSE WILL!

     

    Many Congresspeople want to make this change, but can't without the

    support of the people.

     

    WHY OUR FOREFATHERS FOUGHT THE FED

     

    "Allow me to control the issue and the nation's money and I care not who

    makes its laws!" The above quote has long been attributed to the 18th

    century banker Amshell Rothschild (his blood line controls the FED). For

    if one unscrupulous group is allowed to print a nation's money - it can

    eventually use that money to gain control of the press AND the

    politicians - and thus gain control of making the nation's laws - and

    finally - control of the nation itself. (Reference 4)

     

    If you will take the time to read the reference material listed which has

    been researched by Professors of Universities, Congresspeople, etc, you

    will turn up information that might frighten you. For instance, in 1921 the

    stockholders of the Federal Reserve financed an organization called the

    "Council on Foreign Relations" (CFR). Harpers magazine called this the

    most powerful organization in the United States. Ninety percent of the

    people in the State Department and key positions in the Executive Branch

    are members of the CFR. The CFR publishes a magazine called "Foreign

    Affairs." Read it if you want to know what is going to happen in coming

    years. The CFR is in favor of a New World Order (Reference 3).

     

    Congressman Patman re-quoted Thomas Jefferson showing that our

    founding fathers knew this banking principle very well. "I believe that

    banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing

    armies...." "Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set

    the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money)," he said,

     

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    "should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it

    properly belongs." The American Revolution was a struggle to wrest

    control of wealth from the Bank of England and to restore the centers of

    power to the People where it "properly belongs." The Constitution is

    specific about the authority of the People, through their elected officials,

    to control the money, and thus, the affairs of their government.

    (Reference 5, P. 32).

     

    Ben Franklin said in his autobiography that the inability of the colonists

    to get the power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands

    of George III and the international bankers was [one of] the PRIME

    reason for the Revolutionary War. (Quoted in Reference 4)

     

    Thomas Jefferson stated, "If the American people ever allow private

    banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation,

    the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the

    people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the

    continent their fathers conquered." (Reference 1, P. 247)

     

    Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh of Minnesota said: "This [Federal

    Reserve] Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the

    President [Wilson] signs this bill, the invisible government of the

    Monetary Power will be legalized... the worst legislative crime of the

    ages, perpetuated by this banking and currency bill." (Reference 5, P. 33)

     

    Robert H. Hemphill (Credit Manager, Federal Reserve Bank in Atlanta):

    "We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to

    borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash, or credit. If the banks

    create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We

    are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a

    complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless

    position is almost incredible, but there it is. It [the banking problem] is

    the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect

    upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it

    becomes widely understood and the defects are remedied very soon."

    (Reference 1, P. 247)

     

    Napoleon, a sympathizer for the international bankers, turned against

    them in the last years of his rule. He said: "When a government is

    dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the

    government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the

    hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without

     

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    patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." (Reference 4)

     

    Congresspeople have referred to Federal Reserve Notes as "FIAT" (nobacking)

    money. (Reference 1, P. 128, 169)

     

    In 1879 the Supreme Court declared that the U.S. Government can legally

    issue United States Notes, debt and interest-free, just as Lincoln and

    Kennedy attempted. (Reference 1, P. 233)

     

    A bank that attempted to repossess property on the basis of default faced

    Judge Mahoney in a jury trial. Jerome Daly was found innocent. The

    bank could not foreclose on the property because it created the loan

    money from thin air, as many banks do. Use this as a precedent the next

    time any bank tries to foreclose on your house. (Reference 17, P. 82, 83

    for court records)

     

    The FED violates Security & Exchange Commission (SEC) rules.

    (Reference 17, P. 96-98)

     

    California 9th Circuit Court declared FED banks are private, not

    government. (Reference 17, P. 273)

     

    Mr. Marriner Eccles, who was Chairman of the board of Governors of the

    Federal Reserve System longer than any other man, testified before the

    Joint Economic Committee in August 1962. When Chairman Rep. Wright

    Patman asked whether it was not a fact that the Federal Reserve System

    has more power than either the Congress or the President, Eccles replied:

    "In the field of money and credit, yes." (Reference 1, P. 206)

     

    Dr. Hans F. Sennholz, Chairman of the Department of Economics at

    Grove City (PA) College stated: "The Federal Reserve System facilitates

    the government's own inflationary financing in "periods of emergency." It

    makes easy the inflationary financing of budget deficits and the

    inflationary refunding of government loans. It stabilizes the government

    bond market through inflationary methods and manipulates this market to

    the advantage of the government. It does all this by wrecking the

    purchasing power of the dollar; by subtly stealing from the people of this

    country what it thus provides for the government, through a process

    exactly on par with the coin clipping of ancient kings but much less

    visible." (Reference 1, P. 250, 251)

     

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    Banking and Currency Committee, U.S. Senate, 74th Congress, 1st

    Session, on S.1715, May 1935, pp 871-2. "The Federal Reserve System is

    in the wrong hands. No Constitutional republic can function when the

    government's money powers are in the hands of the financial oligarchy

    such as New York financiers.

     

    A Republican Senator, who preferred to remain unnamed, stated:

    "Congress is too much motivated by fears and anxieties concerning

    pressure groups and the "non election." (Reference 1, P. 210)

     

    By controlling Congress, the FED has been able to control the nominating

    conventions of both political parties. In this way, it has been able to

    hand-pick the presidential nominees so that no matter which party wins,

    their nominee for President is under definite obligations to the FED...

    (Reference 1, P. 210; Reference 22)

     

    In 1975, the Rockefeller Foundation Report discussed the

    "Interdependence" of the countries of the world on each other. It stated

    we are one world and America shall become a nation-state under one

    government. They also say we must reach a zero state population growth.

    The Rockefeller Foundation stated that they have in excess of 747 million

    dollars to achieve this with. (Reference 3)

     

    Congressman John R. Rarick states that the Council on Foreign Relations

    CFR) is dedicated to a one world government. The media remains

    conspicuously quiet. The CFR wants to convert the U.S. from a

    sovereign, constitutional republic into a servile member state of a one

    world dictatorship. On February 17, 1950, CFR member James Warburg

    (banker, and architect of the Federal Reserve System) stated before a

    Senate Foreign Relations Committee, "We shall have one world

    government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." Again,

    the media remained silent. In the April 1974 issue of the CFR journal,

    "Foreign Affairs", page 558, Richard Gardener states that the new world

    order "will be built... but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding

    it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned

    frontal assault." Congressman McDonald, Heinz and Tower stated that

    this is a conspiracy. Again, the media remained silent. (Reference 14, P.

    17, 18, 32, 33).

     

    THE CFR WANTS TO ABOLISH THE CONSTITUTION. (Reference

    14)

    WE MUST STOP THEM!!

     

     

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    In a letter to Thomas Jefferson, John Adams wrote: "All the perplexities,

    confusions, and distresses in America arise, not from defects in the

    Constitution or confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, as much

    as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and

    circulation".

     

    British bankers have stated "Those that create and issue money and credit

    direct the policies of government and hold in their hands the destiny of

    the people". (Reference 1, P. 200-214)

     

    Adams, Jefferson, and Lincoln believed that banker capitalism was more

    dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. In a republic, banks

    would lend money but could not create or manufacture it. (Reference 1,

     

    P. 215)

    Later, Jefferson used stronger language and denounced the institution as

    "one of the most deadly hostilities against the principles and form of our

    Constitution." Some have said that Jefferson did not favor a strong central

    bank. What he did not favor was the delivery of our monetary system into

    private hands to be run for private profit. (Reference 1, P. 230)

     

    President James A. Garfield said: "Whoever controls the money in any

    country is absolute master of industry [legislation] and commerce".

    (Reference 1, P. 247, Reference 4)

     

    Without the Federal Reserve System, there can be no continuing march

    towards socialism, and with it there can be no free economy. (Reference

    1, P. 251)

     

    By controlling our own money, Thomas Jefferson expected that the

    government would incur no debt, as had occurred in the European

    system. (Reference 1, P. 243) European banks are like the FED.

     

    The FED system is the death of our Constitution. (Reference 1, P. 250)

     

    THE PLAN TO REDUCE PERSONAL INCOME TAX BY 75% AND

    BALANCE THE BUDGET BY ABOLISHING THE FED CAN BE

    PROVEN BY AMERICAN HISTORY.

     

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    THE FACTS:

     

     

    * England lost the Revolutionary War.

    * England nearly destroyed the Colonies by creating fake Colonial money and

    hyper-inflation.

    * Rothschilds who control the Bank of England (Like our FED) said that by

    controlling the issue of money (printing it) you can control the government.

    * The authors of the Constitution understood private banks" control over

    governments. The Constitution gives only Congress the right to print money.

    * From the beginning of the United States to present there have been two ways to issue

    new currency:

    The first way is to have the government print the money, debt and interest- free, and

    circulate it through the economy for use as a medium of exchange. There is no tax levied

    to pay interest on the currency in circulation because it is debt and interest-free. This is

    the system Lincoln used with his "greenbacks", a system Kennedy desired, and Jefferson

    demanded.

     

    The second method is: The Citizens allow the bank to print $500 billion in currency

    (cash). The bank pays for printing costs, ink, and paper. The Citizens do not charge the

    bank any interest for use of the $500 billion in printed currency. The bank uses the $500

    billion cash to buy a $500 billion government bond which pays the bankers interest. The

    bank keeps some of the bonds and sells, for a fee (10%), some of the bonds to the

    public. The bank can buy back the bonds from the public simply by printing more

    money. The bankers can create inflation and depressions by manipulating the amount of

    currency in circulation. The FED operates exactly like this today. It also prints money

    (through the U.S. Treasury) and uses this printed money to buy loans from other banks.

    This money has created our inflation. We give the bank cash interest-free, then they

    charge us interest on our own currency.

     

    Take a look at our history in view of the two banking systems:

     

    BEN FRANKLIN - THE TWO BANKING SYSTEMS

     

    From the autobiography of Ben Franklin as reported by Gertrude Coogan in Money

    Creators:

     

    ...the inability of the colonists to get the power to issue their own money permanently

    out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for

    the Revolutionary War. (Reference 4).

     

    Ben Franklin answering a question about the booming economy of the young colonies:

    "That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We

     

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    issue it in proper proportions to the demands of trade and industry." (Colonial Scrip had

    no debt or interest attached.) (Reference 4)

     

    BANK OF AMERICA

     

    International bankers saw that interest-free scrip would keep America free of their

    influence, so by 1781 banker-backed Alexander Hamilton succeeded in starting the

    Bank of America. After a few years of "bank money", the prosperity of "Colonial Scrip"

    was gone. Benjamin Franklin said, "Conditions were so reversed that the era of

    prosperity had ended and a depression set in to such an extent that the streets of the

    Colonies were filled with the unemployed!" Bank money was like our FED money. It

    had debt and interest attached. By 1790 Hamilton and his bankers had created a

    privately owned central bank and converted the public debt (interest-free) into interest

    bearing bonds, payable to the bankers. When Hamilton's bank charter expired in 1811,

    the international bankers started the war of 1812. By 1816, another privately-owned

     

    U.S. bank was started with $35 million in assets - only $7 million of that was owned by

    the government. This bank lasted for 20 years. U.S. history shows that currency with

    debt and interest attached created a depression. (Reference 4)

    ANDREW JACKSON - A GREAT PRESIDENT!

     

    When the 1816 charter expired in 1836, Andrew Jackson vetoed its renewal. It was then

    that he made two famous statements: "The Bank is trying to kill me - but I will kill it!"

    Later he said "If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money

    and banking system - there would be a revolution before morning..." (Reference 4)

     

    ABRAHAM LINCOLN - ANOTHER GREAT PRESIDENT!

     

    President Lincoln needed money to finance the Civil War, and the international bankers

    offered him loans at 24-36% interest. Lincoln balked at their demands because he didn't

    want to plunge the nation into such a huge debt. Lincoln approached Congress about

    passing a law to authorize the printing of U.S. Treasury Notes. Lincoln said "We gave

    the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they ever had - their own paper money

    to pay their debts..." Lincoln printed over 400 million "Greenbacks" (debt and

    interest-free) and paid the soldiers, U.S. government employees, and bought war

    supplies. The international bankers didn't like it and wanted Lincoln to borrow the

    money from them so that the American people would owe tremendous interest on the

    loan. Lincoln's solution made this seem ridiculous. (Reference 1, P. 46, 47; Reference 4)

     

    Shortly after Lincoln's death, the government revoked the Greenback law which ended

    Lincoln's debt-free, interest-free money. A new national banking act was enacted and all

    money became interest bearing again. (Reference 4)

     

    The late Thomas A Edison explained the matter of issuing currency this way: "If our

    nation can issue a dollar bond (interest bearing) it can issue a dollar bill (interest-free).

    The element that makes the bond good makes a bill good also. The difference between

    the bond and the bill is that the bond lets money brokers collect twice the amount of the

    bond and an additional 20 percent, whereas the currency pays nobody but those who

     

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    contribute directly in some useful way. It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30

    million in bonds and not $30 million in currency. Both are promises to pay: But one

    promise fattens the usurers (interest collectors) and the other helps the people."

    (Reference 1, P. 46)

     

    The FED is owned largely by foreign banks that control our economy and Congress

    through the power of money and the media which they bought with profits generated

    with profits generated by artificial debt.

     

    If we can convert U.S. dollars that are debt and interest-free to interest bearing currency,

    we can change it back just as easily. Both the media and the banking system will

    probably claim that such a change will cause hyper- inflation. The answer however, can

    be found in history. Lincoln printed debt and interest-free Greenbacks (cash) to finance

    an entire war. With added production you can add currency without having

    hyper-inflation. Lincoln proved it. John F. Kennedy - a President with vision! On June

    4, 1964, President Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110. This Executive Order called

    for the issuance of new currency - the United States Note. At the time, $4,292,893 of

    this currency was put into circulation. This new currency was to be distributed through

    the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve System. Furthermore, it was to be issued

    debt and interest-free. Upon Kennedy's assassination, this currency was withdrawn from

    circulation, never to be issued again. The media remained silent on how Kennedy would

    have eliminated the debt and interest payments, and therefore eliminated the FED.

    Interest-free United States Notes do not result in hyper-inflation. By issuing United

    States Notes, interest-free, we have less interest expense, and less taxes. With less taxes

    people spend more and buy more. This result is added production, and therefore, you

    can add dollars without inflation. Either Rockefeller and his people will spend your tax

    money into the economy or you get to spend your own money by paying less taxes. The

    bankers want you to think you'll have mass inflation by changing the system. This is

    only true if you add dollars to the economy without added production. For example,

    look what happened in post World War I Germany. They merely printed money without

    increasing production. The result was hyper-inflation. Another example: In the entire

    economy, if you have only 10 loaves of bread and only $10, each loaf would sell for $1.

    If you print an extra $10, now you have $20 and the 10 loaves which would sell for $2

    each. This is only true if we don't have added production. By cutting taxes, people will

    spend more and buy more bread. If we print more money and bake more bread, we have

    $50 and 50 loaves, so each loaf still sells for $1. As long as you monitor production with

    increased cash, inflation will not occur. Under the FED system, the price of bread has

    dramatically increased since 1913. If we cut taxes and YOU spend your money instead

    of the BANKERS spending it, you will have more bread, cars, and wealth than the

    bankers. SOMEONE will spend your money - it might as well be YOU!

     

    A FED-like banking system has destroyed other governments. In five years the only

    thing taxes will pay is the interest on the debt. Clearly, the FED must be abolished

    before we're demolished! Already laws are set up to have a dictatorship when we have

    the economic crisis (Federal Emergency Management Act, or FEMA).

     

    Under the FED system, when a new dollar is issued, we pay taxes to pay for the dollar

    as the principal (debt) plus interest on the dollar. We pay for each new dollar twice, and

    who gets most of the money? The bankers, who control this money. Taxpayers should

    only pay taxes for the paper, ink, and printing costs of new money. Why should we give

    bankers the right to print money on a printing press, charge them no interest on this

     

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    The Federal Reserve is PRIVATELY OWNED (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetworldnewsstand(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/today/articles/fedprivatelyowned.htm"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetworldnewsstand(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/today/articl...vatelyowned.htm[/url]

     

    money, and then let them exchange their "free" money for a government bond that pays

    them interest??

     

    England never gave up on owning the United States. They are still silently fighting the

    same Revolutionary War. The Bank of England, through the Rothschilds, owns and

    controls the FED (Reference 22). We have been robbed of our wealth, and in five years

    we will be bankrupt if there is no change. The FED bankers will LEGALLY OWN OUR

    NATION; OUR HOUSES, OUR CARS, OUR BUSINESSES, just as Thomas Jefferson

    predicted.

     

    SPECIFIC PLAN: HOW TO GET OUT OF DEBT

     

    U.S. history proves that issuing debt and interest-free currency allows our economy to

    prosper, as long as Congress controls the amount of money created. You can add printed

    dollars into the economy as you add production, and there will be no inflation. With

    today's sophisticated computers, we can easily monitor the printing of money and

    inflation.

    Congress needs to buy back the FED and/or abolish it. Any government debt they own

    would be automatically eliminated. All remaining debt could be paid as needed with the

    same type of


  6. You dpn't know the first thing about the Federal Reserve System. If you did, you'd realize that most countries in the world have a Reserve Bank, many of them of much longer standing than the US Federal Reserve System. The US Federal Reserve's charter and operations aren't very different from the others. You might disagree with some of the policies of reserve banks, but surely you aren't saying that every Reserve Bank in the world is part of the Evul Zionist Konspiracy!

     

    You can keep calling them conspiracy but if only knew these central banks and Reserve Bank most if not all are in the hands of the 12 owners. The dollar is in the international currency which is why the dollar is being spoken about most.

     

    The Bank of England is just the same, owned by same these Jewish people...

     

    Here are some of the owners mate, I don't think you have posted it up yet -

     

    Rothschild Bank of London

    Warburg Bank of Hamburg

    Rothschild Bank of Berlin

    Lehman Brothers of New York

    Lazard Brothers of Paris

    Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York

    israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy

    Goldman, Sachs of New York

    Warburg Bank of Amsterdam

    Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

     

    These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which

    ultimately control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War

    with America (our forefathers were fighting their own government), they

    planned to control us by controlling our banking system, the printing of

    our money, and our debt.

     

    The individuals listed below owned banks which in turn owned shares in

    the FED. The banks listed below have significant control over the New

    York FED District, which controls the other 11 FED Districts. These

    banks also are partly foreign owned and control the New York FED

    District Bank.

     

    First National Bank of New York

    James Stillman National City Bank, New York

    Mary W. Harnman

    National Bank of Commerce, New York

    A.D. Jiullard

    Hanover National Bank, New York

    Jacob Schiff

    Chase National Bank, New York

    Thomas F. Ryan

    Paul Warburg

    William Rockefeller

    Levi P. Morton

    M.T. Pyne

    George F. Baker

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    Percy Pyne

    Mrs. G.F. St. George

    J.W. Sterling

    Katherine St. George

    H.P. Davidson

    J.P. Morgan (Equitable Life/Mutual Life)

    Edith Brevour T. Baker

     

    How did it happen? After previous attempts to push the Federal Reserve

    Act through Congress, a group of bankers funded and staffed Woodrow

    Wilson's campaign for President. He had committed to sign this act. In

    1913, a Senator, Nelson Aldrich, maternal grandfather to the

    Rockefellers, pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress just

    before Christmas when much of Congress was on vacation (Reference 3,

    4, 5). When elected, Wilson passed the FED. Later, Wilson remorsefully

    replied (referring to the FED), "I have unwittingly ruined my country"

     

    Of you are saying that, why aren't you complaining about the Bank of England (the UK's reserve bank)?

    I'd be a lot more impressed if he was an economist. Do you know who "owns the Fed"? A quick google would tell you that the Federal Reserve System is made up of 12 different banks (and also associate banks), overseen by a board which is appointed by the President and ratified by the Senate. It is answerable to the President and the Senate. Its charter requires that it conforms to the economic policies of the government of the day. Just where exactly is the nefarious activity in this?

     

    On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

     

    With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificats were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the gevernment the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.

     

    I don't trust google, google is also owned by them sorry to say.

     

    This article has all the proof, all references at the bottom: Next post -


  7. However if you don't want to listen to it there are plenty of alternatives.

     

    You are forgetting this is an Islamic forum, the reason I would post this up is to open up our muslim brothers and sisters mind's up especially the youth mate and I know you don't care thats why its not directed at people like you. Its not about wanting to listen to it or not but preventing others from listening to this junk.

     

    So do you believe in non human entities?


  8. The more you divert from the main topic the more it proves how much you love defending the real racist, evil, masonic devils they are. Don't worry if you don't want to talk about the FED then I might as well forget replying to your posts. You are a time waster.

     

    Just to let you know the man is actually a scholar of Islam thats why he is concerned about the wordly events and even more so those who own the FED also own all the currencies of the world so its not just an American thing.

     

    And since when did I say the women's liberation only concerns the USA? Stop assuming things, its becomes pretty annoying and you are really bad at it as well.


  9. It seems to me by your reaction on my posts concerning the FEB you are either being deceived by the information you get or you are part of this [censored] agenda.

     

    Melliodra let me ask you again, if you really believe I get my information from racist or whatever you call it why don't you prove otherwise that the FED is our ally, our friends??? Yeah such friends who belive that they have every right to lend money on interest to those who are not Jews but not to their own Jewish brothers and sisters, how strange...!

     

    Stop defending your own enemies mate! Learn to recognise the truth from falsehood!


  10. As I said before, it amazes me that Muslims get their information from the racist (and misogynist) dregs of American society.

     

    Really? Haha you make me laugh, my information comes from people you don't know so please don't judge...if you disagree with my views thats fine but don't go to the extent where you need to judge from who I receive my information.

     

    P.S - Oh btw the man isn't even American let alone being part of the American society. Jokes! :sl:


  11. Haha, it seems as though it is you who is in need of proper research dear. So John Kennedy died by some mafia was it because they wanted to eh? lol

     

    Maybe you still don't know what was the real purpose of the Women's Liberation. It follows up with the FED. :sl:


  12. The Federal Reserve System (which is made up of 12 privately-owned banks - that is, shareholder-owned - controlled by the Federal Reserve Board, the members of which are appointed by and are answerable to Congress) is not "a private company". Before you repeat falshoods from anti-semitic sites you should try to do a bit of research for yourself. I really don't understsand why so many Muslims are happy to take at face-value information from people who believe that non-whites are inferior.

     

    Okay so you believe they are legitimate and have nothing to do with why we are all in debt today? So what research have you done to prove otherwise?

     

    Right...


  13. While I was initially excited to see Obama in the white house, I'm a bit stifled on how he's handling the economic situation. It's still WAY too early to judge however, as he's barely been in office in comparison to Bush's 8 year reign. Please keep in mind, just as it took Bush 8 years to drill us into debt, it will take Obama some time to surface us back out. My only worry now is his potential to cause inflation with all that money he continues to print, and the long term effects that will hold over our economy.

     

    On one hand yes but on the other hand Bush isn't the main driving force that ended us up in debt. I don't know how much you understand the way the FED works, if you know the whole history then thats great.

     

    A little summary for those who don't know:

     

    Ever since the FED has been established, back in the 1920 after WW1, power has been in the hands of those who own it (FED) - Rockefeller and Rothschilds are the two main family owners. This system actually prints and rents out money to the government on INTEREST. This sytem or company is in by no way part of the government and has always been a private coorperation.

     

    Here is an example, taken from a website, link is at bottom of page

     

    For the mass majority of the history of the nation THERE WAS NO INCOME TAX.

     

    The money of our nation is currently issued according to what I shall label as Principle 2. Principle 2 is the OPPOSITE of Principle 1 :

     

    The government ( A ) issues money, BASED UPON UNCONSTITUTIONALLY GIVING ITS MONEY MAKING AUTHORITY TO A PRIVATE BANK, by BORROWING it from the private bank AT INTEREST.

     

    PRINCIPLE 2 :

     

    C---------------------A-----------------B

    ( private bank ) ( government ) ( people )

     

    Private bank makes money out of nothing.

     

    I will repeat that again ( it is extremely important ) :

     

    The private bank ( stealing the constitutional function of the government ) MAKES MONEY OUT OF NOTHING - AND THEN LOANS IT WITH INTEREST TO THE GOVERNMENT

     

    Example - For simplicity we will here presume that the nation is just starting out and that there is no money in existence. The process will hence proceed as follows :

     

    1. Government wants to have 1 billion dollars in circulation to aid commerce within the nation.

    2. Government goes to private bank and asks for 1 billion dollars.

    3. Private bank, usurping authority of government, creates 1 billion dollars from nothing.

    4. Private bank loans bank created money AT INTEREST to government.

    5. Government issues 1 billion dollars into circulation.

    6. Government now owes 1 billion dollars PLUS INTEREST to private bank.

    7. Private bank demands " collateral " for " loan."

    8. " Collateral " for " loan " comes from the hides of the American people.

    9. Personal income tax is imposed upon the American people to pay for the INTEREST AND NOT THE PRINCIPLE OF THE " LOAN."

     

    Greater explanation of example :

     

    1. government BORROWS 1 billion dollars as a " loan " from the private bank.

    2. private bank gives a 1 billion dollar credit to the government ( makes the money out of thin air ).

    3. government now OWES 1 billion dollars PLUS INTEREST to private bank.

    4. private bank only created " money " for the principle and NOT the interest.

    5. Even if government paid back the 1 billion dollars it would STILL owe the " INTEREST " on the " loan."

    6. Therefore government must take out a second loan ( L2 ) to pay the interest on loan number 1 ( L1).

    7. Private bank creates " money " for principle of loan L2 but NOT the interest of loan L2.

    8. Government, even after paying off the interest of loan L1, and the principle of L2, still owes the interest of L2 as that was ( in our example ) never created yet.

    9. Government must take out loan number 3 ( L3 ) to pay the interest on L2.

    10. This process must be infinitely repeated as the interest to pay a loan is never made when the loan is made and must be obtained for payment of the previous loan by a new loan for the interest itself.

     

    Ultimate results of Principle 2 :

     

    1. The nation is FOREVER in debt to the private bank.

    2. The accumulated debt and interest on the loans from the private bank only grows greater. It will NEVER be smaller.

    3. More and more of the labor of the citizens of the nation must be spent in paying interest to the private bank for their " loans " to the nation.

    4. Income taxes are unconstitutionally imposed by the hijacked government which is now under the control of the private bank and they are continually raised to pay interest to the private bank for the " privilege " of its " loan " to the nation.

    5. The debt to the private bank, WHICH YOU KNOW AS THE " NATIONAL DEBT," can NEVER be smaller nor or can it ever be paid ( go to you are not allowed to post links yetalgaoaktree(contact admin if its a beneficial link) and click on the " money " link for the reasons why this is true ).

    6. The financial and monetary policies of the nation are dedicated not to serving the interests of the citizens of the nation but to serving the interests of the real controllers of the nation and its future - the private, and unaccountable, bank which enslaves the citizens to it as it drains off the resources of the nation as its profit for allowing the nation to use the money substitute which it created out of nothing.

     

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    This is the economy of today. :sl:

     

    Why else do you think President Kennedy was assasinated for? Because he was about stop the FED from printing out the money and make the governments print it out instead. :sl:


  14. :sl: Everyone

     

    Please note that what am about to provide you with contains innapropriate content so I would certainly advise those who listen to music to read on and view the information. As for those who do not listen, you do not necessarily need to know this although its an obligation on you to know the reality of the music industry and thus prevent your children, friends, relatives etc from listening to these evil stuffs.

     

    Tell you the truth, if you want to understand the music industry you have to understand its a fake. These so called celebrities and artists are given already made songs to sing on stage. They are all puppets being controlled by those who are higher than them those who control the music industry.

     

    As for those who rejected Ajmal's analysis on some of the music songs and how these music all have satanic influences, you only need to have a look at some of the videos below to be convinced. These truth seekers how gone so deep into this, it is really creepy. This is the truth and we have to let as many people know about this as possible.

     

    I will only be providing links because if I post them up, I have a chance of being banned etc.

     

    First off I will show you videos produced by Orangemoon, a christian lady who has uncovered so much on this subject. May Allah guide her. Ameen.

    Part 2 - Cold As Ice - Omarion

     

    Note - Part 1 shows the video of the whole song and lets you sink in what is happening, now in Part 2 she brings in her analysis of the video. This is deep so be ready for some real insight.

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=oj_fsBQvUpY&feature=related"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=oj_fsBQvUpY...feature=related[/url]

     

    Part 3

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=R-gOGQzt5ps&feature=related"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=R-gOGQzt5ps...feature=related[/url]

     

    Who is Sasha Fierce - Part 2

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=HRSHqPXx9Tk&feature=related"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=HRSHqPXx9Tk...feature=related[/url]

     

    The Mystery About 2 Pac -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=2F302B8F85D43D61"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=2F302B8F85D43D61[/url]

     

    Britney's Message -

     

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    To view all of her videos which I greatly recommend, here is her profile which contains everything:

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/user/OrangeMoon82"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/user/OrangeMoon82[/url]

     

    Next you have to view of 'The Workings of Evil' which is about some of Rihanna's songs including two most popular Umbrella and Disturbia. This is one of the best thing you will ever watch in your life I guarantee you will not be dissapointment once you have watched it all rather you will be overwhelmed by the truth -

     

    The Workings Of Evil -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=F94D769E3AF139A8"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=F94D769E3AF139A8[/url]

     

    His website with all his videos, defintely worth a look at -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetlenonhonorfilms(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetlenonhonorfilms(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/[/url]

     

    Now for Pimb1420 -

     

    Madonna and Beyonce ritual -

     

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    :sl:


  15. I think it represents an increase in knowledge among our younger generations though, in that more people are trying to find answers themselves instead of simply relying on faith to do it for them. I think a lot of young people are more open and inquisitive than any previous generations before them, and before you know it, religion may very well become a thing of the past. However...only time will tell.

     

    Quite correct, this whole agenda of the new world order is all about making as many people as possible to believe in no religions. You watch and see their next move which is kind of already happening - 'We are all Gods'.

     

    Their next objective which they have began working on is making you believe that we actually are a God ourselves. Quite complicated but soon will be pretty much popular amongst people in the near future. If you don't believe so wait and see or all you have to do is examine the media of today and see the reality by observing what you can see and what you cannot see as well!

     

    :sl:


  16. :sl: Everyone

     

    Please note that what am about to provide you with contains innapropriate content so I would certainly advise those who listen to music to read on and view the information. As for those who do not listen, you do not necessarily need to know this although its an obligation on you to know the reality of the music industry and thus prevent your children, friends, relatives etc from listening to these evil stuffs.

     

    Tell you the truth, if you want to understand the music industry you have to understand its a fake. These so called celebrities and artists are given already made songs to sing on stage. They are all puppets being controlled by those who are higher than them those who control the music industry.

     

    As for those who rejected Ajmal's analysis on some of the music songs and how these music all have satanic influences, you only need to have a look at some of the videos below to be convinced. These truth seekers how gone so deep into this, it is really creepy. This is the truth and we have to let as many people know about this as possible.

     

    I will only be providing links because if I post them up, I have a chance of being banned etc.

     

    First off I will show you videos produced by Orangemoon, a christian lady who has uncovered so much on this subject. May Allah guide her. Ameen.

    Part 2 - Cold As Ice - Omarion

     

    Note - Part 1 shows the video of the whole song and lets you sink in what is happening, now in Part 2 she brings in her analysis of the video. This is deep so be ready for some real insight.

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=oj_fsBQvUpY&feature=related"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=oj_fsBQvUpY...feature=related[/url]

     

    Part 3

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=R-gOGQzt5ps&feature=related"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=R-gOGQzt5ps...feature=related[/url]

     

    Who is Sasha Fierce - Part 2

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=HRSHqPXx9Tk&feature=related"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=HRSHqPXx9Tk...feature=related[/url]

     

    The Mystery About 2 Pac -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=2F302B8F85D43D61"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=2F302B8F85D43D61[/url]

     

    Britney's Message -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=0IKmDroLh18&feature=channel_page"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=0IKmDroLh18...re=channel_page[/url]

     

    To view all of her videos which I greatly recommend, here is her profile which contains everything:

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/user/OrangeMoon82"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/user/OrangeMoon82[/url]

     

    Next you have to view of 'The Workings of Evil' which is about some of Rihanna's songs including two most popular Umbrella and Disturbia. This is one of the best thing you will ever watch in your life I guarantee you will not be dissapointment once you have watched it all rather you will be overwhelmed by the truth -

     

    The Workings Of Evil -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=F94D769E3AF139A8"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=F94D769E3AF139A8[/url]

     

    His website with all his videos, defintely worth a look at -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetlenonhonorfilms(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetlenonhonorfilms(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/[/url]

     

    Now for Pimb1420 -

     

    Madonna and Beyonce ritual -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=6EA4616B4DC3CD58"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=6EA4616B4DC3CD58[/url]

     

    :sl:


  17. :sl: Everyone

     

    Please note that what am about to provide you with contains innapropriate content so I would certainly advise those who listen to music to read on and view the information. As for those who do not listen, you do not necessarily need to know this although its an obligation on you to know the reality of the music industry and thus prevent your children, friends, relatives etc from listening to these evil stuffs.

     

    Tell you the truth, if you want to understand the music industry you have to understand its a fake. These so called celebrities and artists are given already made songs to sing on stage. They are all puppets being controlled by those who are higher than them those who control the music industry.

     

    As for those who rejected Ajmal's analysis on some of the music songs and how these music all have satanic influences, you only need to have a look at some of the videos below to be convinced. These truth seekers how gone so deep into this, it is really creepy. This is the truth and we have to let as many people know about this as possible.

     

    I will only be providing links because if I post them up, I have a chance of being banned etc.

     

    First off I will show you videos produced by Orangemoon, a christian lady who has uncovered so much on this subject. May Allah guide her. Ameen.

    Part 2 - Cold As Ice - Omarion

     

    Note - Part 1 shows the video of the whole song and lets you sink in what is happening, now in Part 2 she brings in her analysis of the video. This is deep so be ready for some real insight.

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=oj_fsBQvUpY&feature=related"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=oj_fsBQvUpY...feature=related[/url]

     

    Part 3

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=R-gOGQzt5ps&feature=related"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=R-gOGQzt5ps...feature=related[/url]

     

    Who is Sasha Fierce - Part 2

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=HRSHqPXx9Tk&feature=related"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=HRSHqPXx9Tk...feature=related[/url]

     

    The Mystery About 2 Pac -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=2F302B8F85D43D61"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=2F302B8F85D43D61[/url]

     

    Britney's Message -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=0IKmDroLh18&feature=channel_page"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=0IKmDroLh18...re=channel_page[/url]

     

    To view all of her videos which I greatly recommend, here is her profile which contains everything:

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/user/OrangeMoon82"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/user/OrangeMoon82[/url]

     

    Next you have to view of 'The Workings of Evil' which is about some of Rihanna's songs including two most popular Umbrella and Disturbia. This is one of the best thing you will ever watch in your life I guarantee you will not be dissapointment once you have watched it all rather you will be overwhelmed by the truth -

     

    The Workings Of Evil -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=F94D769E3AF139A8"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=F94D769E3AF139A8[/url]

     

    His website with all his videos, defintely worth a look at -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetlenonhonorfilms(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetlenonhonorfilms(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/[/url]

     

    Now for Pimb1420 -

     

    Madonna and Beyonce ritual -

     

    (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=6EA4616B4DC3CD58"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/view_play_list?p=6EA4616B4DC3CD58[/url]

     

    :sl:


  18. The Federal Reserve unilaterally introduced over $1 trillion into the money supply. That is separate from the bailouts of Bush and Obama. It also added $600 billion during the Bush bailouts. There is no congressional oversight of the Federal Reserve. There are also hints that billions more will be added. They create all this money out of thin air, and then charge the federal government interest. The fact that most people in government don't even blink an eye at this is disturbing.

     

    Also, nobody in Congress was able to read the 1000+ pages of the bill. The same thing happened with the Patriot Act.

     

    Exactly, a lot of people don't realize what the FED is and those in charge of this system are actually the people in power over the whole world unfortunately. Its a shame that not even the highest Islamic scholars have given a correct verdict on the economy even untill today. The whole economy is based on interest... :sl:

     

    The FED is not part of the government, its a private company...the biggest deception people have fallen into...what a mess...now that the collapse of the US economy is so close at hand which is all a set up by the same people who organized it back in 1920s, I wonder if people will recognise the truth yet...lets hope so.

     

    :no: :j: :D

     

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  19. :sl:

     

    Please understand that I am not against an Islamic State rather I want you to understand that such a state will not happen untill Imam Al Mahdi appears. That will be the next caliphate just as prophecised by the prophet pbuh.

     

    To get straight to the point, I would like you to take a look at muslim villages first before lining up straight for the Islamic State. If you can understand politics, you would very well see that the Mumbai attacks were made in order to blame it on the Pakistanis indicating that the US are anticipating a war on Pakistan itself therefore your idea of an Islamic State will not be easy at all and just what you described -

     

    'Would we create an Islamic State only to have it bombed to oblivion on trumped up charges'

     

    Here is the website where there is the open discussion on Muslim Villages - (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_imranhosein(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/index.php?option=com_ccboard&view=postlist&forum=3&topic=8"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_imranhosein(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/index.php?option=co...m=3&topic=8[/url]

     

    To learn more about what is the Muslim Village, I recommend you to spare some time and listen to this lecture on 'The Muslim Village' - (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=AakkeLkovwU&feature=PlayList&p=1D366D5284F96887&index=0"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetyoutube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/watch?v=AakkeLkovwU...887&index=0[/url]

     

    I am very happy there are some brothers and sisters concerned on unity and bringing the muslims together in order to prepare for the final hour. It is of great importance that we understand the time we are living in and how severe it is to begin seperating from these evil systems surrounding us today.

     

    May Allah guide us all. Ameen.

     

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  20. Brother, if I were you I would stop right there. Subhanallah I can't believe how many more lies you will say against me. I can see how angry you are, look please forgive me if I have made you this mad, but you have to understand theres no point carrying on this debate if you can't even behave yourself.

     

    What is it with the name calling and double standards? Whats wrong with you, have you totally lost it because you can't take any of my proof. You know what I will let you calm down first and let you realize all the things you said right from the beginning of this thread. Seriously I am shocked by your behaviour. Not only have you offended me, you are still carrying out lies against me. You have been trying to interpret the things I have been saying all this time and you make it look like you know whats in my head. Astaghfirrullah, get a grip brother. Now you have gone so far as insulting my community and my imaam. No problem, I will give you some time to cool down bro.

     

    What is it with you, you come in every thread and you just say anything and when we ask for proof you can't even prove it.

     

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  21. Its funny how i can tell that your just learning about all of this and even the masjid al Aqsa just because you just found out about this doesent mean that nobody else knows it.

     

    You are wrong, if you think you are a psychic, you need to try harder. How can I expect you to know anything about the Masjid whn you obviously haven't got a clue why this Masjid is being destroyed. You haven't even bothered to talk about the subject, all you have done is attack me with your distorted judgements.

     

    You dont undrstand the Dajjal systen nor the new world order, nor do you fully understand where this ummah is going, if you cant see victory right around the corner then you for sure will never see Isa!! The world is how you view it and the Quran helps in that vision You cant see the birth rates having an effect on the state you cant see the corrupted muslims leaders you cant see Isreal falling all you see or do is wait for the physical return of Isa. Question.. if the Kabbah is destroyed what would you do?? Run around like a headless chicken crying out that its the end of the world or would you muster up enough strength and courage to build it back up?

     

    No I don't understand anything, of course that is in your perception. You seem to talk like a mastermind. If you think you are one, then don't blame people for not having the knowledge and understanding that you do rather explain yourself with proof and evidence. Why do you always come up with statements that you can never back it up with?

     

    You still haven't touched on the topic of the impersonation of Jesus.

     

    So you still havent answered the question of will you address him as prophet or not???? come on be honest

    911 was not a success that conspiracy is being busted wide open , in fact it has brought people to study Islam more their plan has backfired more people is attracted to Islam and more people see the ones who planned 911 as liars, their propaganda has failed!! Why do you think it has the star of David>?? UMMM THEY ARE JEWS!!!

     

    Tell you the truth, you still haven't answered dozen of my questions, wonder who will answer that.

     

    Don't worry though, at least I know who really is coping out of this debate.

     

    No my friend, Jesus will not be reffered as a prophet, he will be reffered as the 'messiah'.

     

    Meaning of Messiah -

     

    - One who is anticipated as, regarded as, or professes to be a savior or liberator.

     

    You still don't understand who Jesus will be on his second return. He will be a messiah and considered a citizen among the ummah of Muhammad pbuh. He will be able to live and marry and so on.

     

    If you don't believe in Dajjal and Jesus as physical beings, then I guess you don't take Imam al Mahdi as part of the prophecy either. Which also leads you to believe that there won't be no army to come and fight the Jews. Basically you reject countless hadiths on these prophecies, any reason why Mr Mastermind?

     

    You do realize in the Quran it has clearly stated that whenever the Jews try and reclaim the land as theirs they will be severly punished both in this life and in the hereafter, right?

     

    Do you not take heed to what happened to them in history. The first army Allah sent to punish them was the Babylonians, then came the Roman army and now shall be the muslims army. How can you miss these cut points out altogether? How can you expect democracy will be the solution when clearly Allah Taala has punished them everytime they have tried to reclaim the land?

     

    They had the land for 80 years untill the Roman army came and destroyed them. So far they have been on it for 61 years. Its not long left till the punishment reaches these evil people. How can you believe that the punishment shall be just through democracy and involve no war?

     

    You say you read the hadith then read what the prophet said about becomming angry! No i see that you make predictions foolishly, and you are coping out by saying that. Allahs will is everlasting everything that happens is Allahs will. I cant believe that you dont know this?? So to show that the birth rate of the muslims in israel is showing that the muslims are going to out number the jews which in turn WILL, IF THIS HAPPENS, Will give to the fall of israel and that is Allahs will. It is also in Allahs will that you wish to secretly lable me as a hypocrite (see the hadith of what the prophet said about calling someone a hypocrite) Allahs will is universal plain and simple!! So to say Allah knows is stating the obvious and it is also a cop out by yourself because YOU dont know!

     

    But you don't believe in every hadith presented to you, so why should you use hadiths against me and I see that as double standard. Well mate, you probably didn't have full understanding of who the hadiths was reffering to at the first place anyway.

     

    A 'will' is not a 'fact' bro. Here you are pretending that a 'will' is a 'fact' when you know very well its not. This is hypocrisy and no I wasn't saying secretly, I said it plain and openly do not be a hypocrite, I haven't hiden anything, now you are lying based on your false judgements.

     

    I can't believe how childish you can be brother. You have been calling me names all this time and telling me that I don't understand anything and as soon as I use one word against you, you act like as if I have committed a grave sin! Wonder how many you have committed already...

     

    Don't worry at least you are teaching me patience, thank you. :sl:

     

    Then I guess scholars are all cop outs in everything because they respond to every asnwer they give and write down at the end 'And Allah Knows Best'.

     

    We are talking about the future here mate, get it straight we don't know nothing of what Allah Taala truly wills for the future which makes it even more appropriate to use 'Allah Taala Knows Best' at the end.

     

    where did i say study it???

     

    Yes Mastermind...you need glasses.

     

    Towns so what im talking about the whole country, not 10% of the people even thought thats alot im talking about 50 or 60 or 70 % of the population in these countries. You see no change because you are blinded into painting everyone with the same brush.

     

    Again another contradiction, you believe it will start with a few first then will it become large eventually, so you are either messing around or forgetting your own words.

     

     

    No sister i said that we have a watered down version of democracy, no its not Islamic however it has in its laws the acceptance for an Islamic democracy however they wish to control that. You undertsand the elite so much tell me where do they meet?? What do they discuss? Your privy to their conversations?? What do you know that the rest of the world doesent know?? You are so blinded by trying to understand the elite that you have no clue what is really going on.

    and that goes for you as well and all of us friend, now what lies have i stated??

     

    They meet in secret and they discuss how to fool you. Yep I can see your saviour is defintely Obama for you. Good luck.

     

    Have you heard of the Bohemian Grove? Do you know who attends this place during the month of July? Do you know their religion? Do you know their rituals they perform? Do you know their symbols and buildings? If you know all this, then it would shun your whole belief of 'birth rate'.

     

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