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  1. This really is more of a question than an allegation, but I suspect that it might become heated so I've posted it here rather than in Questions About Islam. Yes, I'm totally uneducated in Islamic Sciences, but it does seem that every time someone attempts to prove a point by quoting hadiths, someone else produces hadiths which prove the opposite point. It seems to me that you could support many contrary positions, all perfectly 'legal', using hadiths. Am I wrong to think this?
  2. Global Sickness

    Read the 'top 26 events of 2007', according to a radical Islamist site. The War of Terrorism migt have its flaws, but it seems that it is necessary. (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_revival.muslimpad(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/2008/01/03/the-top-26-events-that-affected-the-muslim-world-in-2007-%e2%80%93-the-year-of-surprises/#more-85"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_revival.muslimpad(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/2008/01/03/th...prises/#more-85[/url] #1 is OBL's video:
  3. Global Sickness

    Did you look at the actual website? And did you look at the other blogs they link to? It seems that there are a LOT of people like this. What I found most scary about the top26 events was the number which were praising jihadi groups for attacking government forces seemingly merely because that the government wouldn't resign and allow an Islamic state to be formed.
  4. Torture In Hell

    Likewise I don't use any gods to form my opinion or my base as to my belief that this is a god-free universe.
  5. What do you mean 'end'? i'd be happy to accept that it could have an end - but what happens when you go past the end? This doesn't really have anything to do with the existence or non-existence of god/s, though. *sigh* read the first post in this thread. This is supposed to be a thread where believers give proofs of god to convince non-believers.
  6. If you actually care about finding the truth you will do a little research. Have you done anything except read Denier sites? The summing up of the judge in David Irving's failed libel suit (in which the defence argued truth as a denfence and in effect proved the Holocaust to the satisfaction of the court) is an excellent and cooly logical laying out of the evidence that the Holocaust happened. You'll need to search for it (not a problem for a disinterested scholar like you, Yassie), but it's on the web. edit - typo
  7. twswords, I'm not sure what you're getting at when you say that we can't see to the end of the universe - what are you suggesting is there? (Note that by definition 'the universe' is everything, so whatever is there will still be part of the universe). And the proofs from Muslims that Dot invited aren't exactly coming thick and fast, are they? So far we've had the Argument from Creation and a bit of spiritual fluff.
  8. Torture In Hell

    I ask you again - you don't believe in the existence of the Hindu gods. Is that proof that they do exist? Does that mean that they are the basis of your belief?
  9. Ayaan Hirsi Ali - The Liar

    No, but it does show that there's something wrong. It might be that the law just needs to be rewritten, but it can also show that there's a fundamental injustice underrlying the law. In this case, the idea that richer people could be trusted with nudity and poorer people couldn't. Yes and no. "Community standards" (ie the will of the majority, ie democracy) are supposed to be an element in legal decisions, and community standards are against censorship. However, community standards are not expected to decide specialised matters. The Arts, like any other specialised field, has its own scholars, and their opinion matters more. My views aren't 'extreme' at all. I can't think of one person working in the arts or with an interest in the arts who doesn't think free speech is the best way. Did I say that? No. That's like arguing against trains because trains sometimes kill people.
  10. Why can't the universe have existed forever? The analogy isn't that humans appear and disappear, it's that matter and energy, humans) are constantly being shaped and reshaped, apparently endlessly.
  11. Torture In Hell

    Yes, you recognize that the IDEA exists - I recognize that the IDEA of supreme being/s exists, but so does the idea of the Flying Spagetti Monster, the Tooth Fairy and every other idea. I don't believe that the Hindu gods Hanuman and Ganesh exist - does that means that you think they DO exist? edit - this is far too subtle for this argument :sl:, but: I don't need to be able to precisely define something to not believe that it exists -I don't believe in anything which is postulated to be beyond the laws of nature. Thus without precisely defining them I don't believe in gods, ghosts, bogeymen, galactic turtles, angels, goblins, djinns, pixies, fairies, or any other supernatural beastie whatsoever.
  12. {sniff} Are You A Zionist?

    OK, I'll ask you for the third time - how do you propose to ACHIEVE this? I don't expect the Palestinians to do anything. I expect some of their supposed friends to realise that suicide bombing can only make the situation worse. Tell me, how do you think suicide bombing helps the Palestinian cause? How do you think Iran threatening to wipe israel off the map helps the Palestinian cause? Actually, the last serious prospect of peace failed because an idiot israeli assasinated Rabin. I agree that violent fools plague both sides. Yes, peace talks = negotiations. But it is simply impossible for the US to change its stance as long as israel's existence is threatened by the idiot friends of the Palestinians. And how precisely does this lead you to a SOLUTION? Rightly or wrongly the US is not going to allow israel's existence to be threatened. That's a simple fact and no amount of ranting will change it. Given that fact, how are the palestinians going to achieve the best result possible? Certainly not by attemping to kill israeli civilians. You're getting upset over things that are not possible to change. The US will not allow israel to be destroyed. As long as the Palestinians and their idiot friends keep up the petty violence there will be no incentive to change anything. No, it isn't FAIR, but so what? Do you want FAIR and failure, or unfair and the best result possible (a great result is no longer possible, thanks to the idiot friends of the Palestinians)? Yelling 'It isn't FAIR, mommy!' is not going to get anyone anywhere, except dead.
  13. Torture In Hell

    LOL! I disbelieve in Santa Clause, that means Santa Clause exists, right? I disbelieve in Ganesh, that means Ganesh exists, right? I suspect that you are using an odd definition of 'disbelieve in'. I use it to mean 'do not believe in the existence of'. edit - the definition of atheist you have problems with means 'supreme being or supreme beings'. Yes, English can be a confusing language.
  14. He has just logically proven that the universe is eternal. Read it again. You might dispute it, but you have to dispute it in terms of his argument. And saying 'the solar system will end' is completely irrelevant to the argument of whether or not the universe is eternal.
  15. Every Hadith Has A Counter-hadith?

    LOL - I never thought I'd ever be telling a Muslim about Islam. But. Many - some people say most - scholars regard musical instruments (other than the duff) as haram. This is what Sunnipath says: (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_qa.sunnipath(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1786&CATE=142"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_qa.sunnipath(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/issue_view.asp?HD=...86&CATE=142[/url]
  16. {sniff} Are You A Zionist?

    I repeat, that is your AIM, but you have given no plan about how to ACHIEVE it. Of course. That's my entire point. People who encourage the Palestinians to keep killing themselves for no good reason (it isn't going to achieve anything except retaliation) are prolonging the problem, not solving it. Why did de Klerk begin the process which eventually lead to the end of apartheid and majority rule? Because he had been in negotiatoin with Mandela. Because Mandela convinced him of his good will (ie Mandela did not rant about wiping South Africa off the map, or wading through blood or the other childish stuff we constanty hear from the so-called friends of the Palestinians). Poor Arabs, unable to make pragmatic decisions about actual conditions today, trapped by their bitterness about the past ... That's how you are portraying them. This is all irrelevant. You have agreed that it is not possible to change the situation militarily, and you ought to be able to see that continuing a military struggle results in death and suffering for the Palestinians. So what do you suggest? Ending the violence and negotiating is simply the only choice. You are obsessed with matters of honour and totally ignore practicalities. Yes, thanks to the idiot friends of the Palestinians they are not going to be able to negotiate anywhere near as good a deal as they would have prior to 1967. They aren't even going to be able to negotiate as a good a deal as they would have 10 years ago. With each passing day their negotiating position beocmes weaker. But their only choices are to keep going as they are until no Palestine is left, or negotiating. He's building them on land won in battle when his country was attacked by enemies. That's how the borders of most countries were decided. If the idiot friends of the Palestinians had negotiated instead of invaded it could be Palestinian land today.
  17. Every Hadith Has A Counter-hadith?

    Are you sure you're a Muslim? As someone earlier in this thread pointed out, most scholar believe that playing musical instruments (except the duff) is forbidden for Musilms. And aren't unqualified Muslims specifically warned against trying to interpret the Koran and hadiths themselves? So my point is, if hadiths appear to conflict and if scholars can be wrong, how does anyone know what is forbidden or permitted in Islam? More specifically, how will a caliphate make laws?
  18. Every Hadith Has A Counter-hadith?

    Possibly, but you can't actually tell me whether playing the piano is legal or illegal for Muslims, can you? You can only tell me what a majority of scholars think. So, in the Caliphate, will they take a vote among scholars and the majority verdict becomes the law? Or what? PS - thanks Redeem.
  19. So? Bush is a Christian, Blair is a Christian - do you believe them? And the Christians who reject evolution tend to be fundamentalists (that is, backwards), anyway. I don't know how the universe came into existence - it might not have, it might have always existed in one form or another. I don't think anyone claims to know (I mean any scientist), do they? As with the expanding universe (to wich it's related, surely?) all I know aoiut the big bang is that it's currently the best model there is for the very early universe, I think.
  20. {sniff} Are You A Zionist?

    No? When did I say that? And it's all very well you having an aim in mind, you still haven't suggested how to get it! Is the US going to stop supporting israel? No. Will any Arab country be able to defeat israel? No. Will the petty terrorsim of the Palestinians defeat israel? No. They negotiated some easing of apartheid while Mandela was still in jail, but the system was basically still in place until after a referendum of the white population which basically agreed to giving all people an equal vote. Until that referendum was won the worst of apartheid was still in place - your skin colour determined if you could vote or not. Every step of the way was a negotiation. The apartheid regime was much nastier and of much longer standing and opressed far more people than israel. Yet it ended without a bloodbath. What does "a sense of fair play" have to do with thinking that the so-called friends of the Palestinians are doing them a huge disservice by encouraging their puny and futile violence rather than negotiation? If the so-called friends of the Palestinians had negotiated rather than invaded in 1967 Palestine could be a happy place today. Why do you say I am "comfortable" with the suffering of the Palestinians? Getting emotional and encouraging violence by Palestinians against israel is the best possible way to damage the future prospects of the Palestinians. What the Palestinians DON'T need is emo kids getting outraged on their behalf.
  21. Sorry, my connection is to slow for YouTube. I don't "love" mutations - I know that mutation can sometimes be beneficial to an organism. Sometimes it isn't and sometimes it's neutral. No, you don't, but I have given you a reference that you could check. You have now posted two dishonestly misleading quotes - they were the only two I checked. The others could be equally dishonest. Doesn't that teach you something about the sites you get them from? No idea what you are talking about. As far as I know an expanding universe is still the accepted model. I could be wrong - I'm not an astrophysicist.
  22. I don't know enough about the subject to argue this (and neither do you, I assume) - I am willing to trust that scientists have considered this and still accept evolution as the best explanation. I am certain that if you look it up on Wiki you will find an explanation. I don't understand your question. Are you saying that genetic mutations never happen? If so, what is the point of the pics you have posted? Yes, some mutations decrease the chances of an organism breeding successfully, some don't, and some enhance it. It's random. No, I said at the very beginning that I do not want to debate evolution with you. Neither of us knows enough about biology to debate the actual current issues in evolution, and I have no reason whatsoever to doubt the scientific method (surely you don't, either) nor its honest application by the overwhelming number of scientists who accept that evolution answers questions about life better than any other hypothesis. You have already been shown that a quote you got from a creationist site was dishonestly misleading - have you actually checked these other quotes? If not, I'd be silly to take them seriously, wouldn't I? Also, even if the quotes are genuine, you have about 10. How many scientists are there in the world who accept evolution? It must be in the millions. edit - OK, I've done your work for you. Again! It took me under 5 seconds on google. PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THINGS BEFORE STATING THEM AS FACTS! I'm simply not going to believe any further quotes you post unless you confirm that you have checked them.
  23. {sniff} Are You A Zionist?

    You don't actually have a solution, you just want to see some dead Jews. Umm, no. Mandela and De Klerk NEGOTIATED the dismantling of apartheid. Mandela's release in 1990 was part of the negotiation process. Read some history. So the US is not being 'fair'. So what? How would an all-out war (in which israel would use its nukes - presumably against Damascus and Teheran, but possibly against Mecca) do anything except make you feel better? If the problem is to be SOLVED, there is no choice but negotiation.
  24. Every Hadith Has A Counter-hadith?

    Of the laws, yes. Sorry for the confusion. But thanks for your post about the types of hadith and so on., It's interesting stuff. I'll try the link you gave befoire I try books, but I'll keep it in mind. Thanks. Please understand that what follows is NOT intended to insult Muslims or Islam. I fully understand that extracting the truth the Koran and hadiths is complicated, and so complicated that the task of unravelling it is not yet completed and may never be. (I wouldn't regard it as completed until someone can point to law #3333654 and say that that law permits the playing of the piano by Muslims.) I also fully understand that just because it is complicated doesn't mean it is false or anything of the sort. We humans have to do the best we can with the realities of the universe. I also fully understand that the Ummah is extremely diverse, with many different cultures and standards of education and so on, and that internal disputes are inevitable. BUT with all this, I don't understand why Muslims are often inflexible and easily upset. Surely people operating in such a complex system where getting a definitive answer is often impossible, where allowances have to be made for other cultures and so on, should be supreme praticioners of negotiation and compromise. Yet the opposite seems to be the case: shooting oneself in the foot as a matter of principle seems to be regarded as a virtue. AND I don't understand how the legal system of a Caliphate works, if courts have to not only decide if someone is guilty, but if what they did was a crime in the first place.
  25. Read my sig. I'm culturally a Christian and an agnostic (some atheists might want to call me a soft athiest). Secular christianity isn't all that uncommon.