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  1. That certainly answers my question; great job. It has always been something of a mystery to me as to why Muslims don't get more angry at the deaths of innocents especially from military actions that go wrong (incorrect targeting, missed targets etc.) I suppose it is because if they believe it is accidental then it must be Allah's doing. And whilst the grief of losing a loved one must be terrible at least they take comfort that it is Allah's will. It does lead me to ask the question; why don't all Muslims regard premature death in the same fatalistic and tolerant way? Your explanation seems fairly black and white but it seems to me that many Muslims don't share your views? Salam.
  2. Christian Terrorist Attack

    SaracenSoldier, had Iraq not invaded Kuwait then they would not have been no Gulf war 1 and had Osam bin Laden's henchmen not hijacked planes full of people and crashed them in to buildings killing thousands of people Afghanistan and Iraq would not have invaded. Whether that is sufficient justification is open to debate but I think most of us would agree that those were the official reasons/excuses. Osam bin Laden and his followers ultimately caused more death and destruction to Muslims than they wreaked upon the USA. To say there is "a foreign policy of invading Muslim countries and killing Muslims" is quite simply ridiculous. It would be like someone suggesting that Saudi Arabia has a foreign policy of hijacking planes and flying them in to buildings. An over simplified view that someone trying to stir up resentment and anger may hold.
  3. 1. A Message To Richard Dawkins. (uk Athiest)

    I don't really understand what you are saying. Are you saying I am immoral? Please tell me more about my immorality... How am I being obnoxious? Are you saying I am arrogant because I don't share your religious beliefs? I would argue that you are more arrogant for believing that Islam is the one true religion whilst rejecting every other one without proof that they are false. Prove to me that is Allah is the one true god and that every other one false and I will agree with you and convert to Islam. Actually, prove to me that any religion is wrong if you can. Even proving that fairies don't exist would be a good start. I'm a little puzzled as to why you post was so rude. Maybe I misunderstood? Salam.
  4. Famine In Somalia?

    Great answer (as always :sl: ). One question though; if that is the case then why do Muslims get so upset when children (or other innocents) are killed at the hand of people (war, murder, genocide etc.)? One of the side effects of being an atheist is that I believe that everyone is unique, priceless and deserving of fulfilling, long life as free as possible from suffering. And I do mean everyone regardless of sex, race, creed or religious beliefs. Salam.
  5. Christian Terrorist Attack

    The attacks of 9/11, 7/7 and many, many others were done by Muslims in the name of Islam In the case of failed attacks in London on 21 July 2005 the suicide bombers shouted "allahu akbar" before attempting to detonate their explosives. These terrorists often do religious videos beforehand making it very clear it is an attack on infidels in the name of Islam, I'm sure you must have seen some of them. As for Srebrenica being Christian genocide, maybe it was. I think it was racial but either way it is doesn't make the attacks in question not Islamic Terrorism.
  6. Noah's Ark

    To me, one of the most ludicrous stories of the Bible is that of Noah's Ark. It obvious to me that it is total garbage. That's not to say some guy didn't put a few animals on the boat during a flood but beyond that it doesn't make any rational sense. I have mentioned this in another post but there are around 40,000 know species of spider. If we guess at there being 50,000 then Noah would have to have collected 100,000 spiders alone from all parts of the world. Most species are unique to limited geographical areas and continents. How also did he manage to get all the animals back to their eventual homes (lemurs in Madagascar, marsupials in Australia, polar bears to the Arctic etc.)? For me this one story is enough to consign the Bible to the bin; if it contains one lie then how can I trust any of it? I was wondering what the official Islamic view is and do Muslims believe it and if so to what degree? Salam.
  7. Noah's Ark

    Ok, so the Qur'an tells us nothing of timescales from the flood to Muhammad's time (could have been 600 years, could be 15 billion years but obviously could not have pre-dated Adam and Eve) It seems a bit strange the Qur'an doesn't bother giving us some more information. I would have thought that Allah would have foreseen questions such as this and put them in the Qur'an to silence us infidels. But to my question about the number of species onboard; 50,000 spiders alone. How would Noah have collected all these let alone kept them alive and apart from each other?! Even male and female spiders would need to be kept apart so that's 100,000 cages or containers for the spiders alone. What about all the other invertebrates? 900,000 known insect species, that's nearly 2,000,000 individuals. Then there is mammals, birds, reptiles, worms (17,000 species of these) etc. Obviously evolution is regarded by Islam as untrue, so that can't explain anything. Are you referring to Pangaea? That was over 200,000,000 years ago..... way before Adam and Eve. There may be "a thousand explanations" so I would like to hear at least ten credible ones. Actually, one remotely credible one would be a good start. Can anyone on IF give a feasible explanation as to how Noah would have addressed the practicalities of catching, keeping and releasing the millions of animals that make up the know animal kingdom?
  8. Seems to me like you missed a few religions off your list. :sl: Sounds like you don't have a clue about what you truly believe in (religiously speaking.) Perhaps a spiritual humanist would be a better description? If you are going to follow the abrahamic religions then you must choose one as they are incompatible with each other. You can't cherry pick bits of different religions; you either believe or you don't. Ask yourself if you believe in the story of Noah's Ark (see my recent thread) and if you don't believe it 100% (including the hundreds of thousands of species that Noah must have had on board) then the Abrahamic ones are not for you. I know very little about Buddhism or the 1,000s of other religions but I would suggest you are better pursuing it rather than Islam, Christianity or Judaism. How about founding your own? That's been done by plenty of other people!
  9. Christian Terrorist Attack

    SaracenSoldier, seriously, are you really trying to make a comparison between EDL and international Islamic terrorism? 9/11? 7/7? Come on, that would be absurd.
  10. Blessings Of Allah(swt) Are Descending On Somalia

    As regards the video; there's really not much I can say. I would like to know where the figure of 500,000 children comes from. It seems like a truly shocking number and I would like to say that the loss or suffering of a single child is a tragedy. I don't recall any reports of the US forces rounding up children, putting them in camps then systematically killing them. That would be a more conventional way to commit mass-murder and genocide. Whilst I don't doubt that many innocent lives have been lost at the hands of coalition forces I'm sure the vast majority of are unintended or as a result of a "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. What would you do if you if you were a soldier at a checkpoint with a car speeding towards you showing no sign of stopping? Can you give some examples of mass murder and/or genocide carried out in Iraq by the USA or other coalition forces? It is my belief that a huge number (if not the majority) of the civilian deaths in Iraq stem from terrorist actions (Sunni-Shia conflict) or from innocents inadvertently being caught in attacks on the coalition troops. I openly admit that I don't have any figures at this point as to the actual casualties and who was to blame. I don't think the Americans would regard themselves as the most peace-loving nation on earth but don't be too quick to criticise the whole nation for the acts of its government and armed forces. FYI, I am not American. I am British living permanently in Canada. Salam.
  11. Miracles Of The Quran

    I agree 100% and for me as an atheist and sceptic I apply this to everything. One of biggest problems I have with religion is that nothing contained within holy books is reliably verifiable. They were written in the Iron Age and were based on stories handed down verbally over many years by simple people. How these books can even be taken seriously is a mystery to me. No offence intended :sl:
  12. Qur'an 47:4 "strike Their Necks..."

    Nice reply Redeem. Rightly or wrongly, it doesn't seem very hard for extremists to find justification within the Qur'an to kill. 9/11 and 7/7 being two prime examples. It would be easy to suggest that the individuals perpetrating these crimes were illiterate, uneducated and from impoverished backgrounds but this was not the case. How can this be that they can so badly misunderstand and interpret the Qur'an? Salam.
  13. Christian Terrorist Attack

    Another religious nut-case doing god's work. "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. " - Steven Weinberg
  14. Miracles Of The Quran

    I think Wikipedia is a reliable source in this case. Plus, it's content is easily verifiable on the Internet or other sources.
  15. Qur'an 47:4 "strike Their Necks..."

    Word fully eaten. Although I did say "Maybe that's what happened in Norway". It will probably surprise you to hear I'm actually pleased these were not Islamic terrorist attacks. On the point about it being ok to kill infidels; full authority and justification for murder is printed in black and white in the Qur'an. All you have to do is believe you are in a state of war.
  16. Qur'an 47:4 "strike Their Necks..."

    Whatever the timing of the revelation (of which I'm guessing we will never know) the Qur'an says you should to kill infidels. It doesn't seem to give much in the way of context so it's open to interpretation.[1] Fancy killing an infidel? Go for it; the Qur'an says it's ok. Maybe that's what happened in Norway today? [1] I remain somewhat mystified that a book that is perfect, infallible, error/contradiction free and the word of the creator of the universe can be open to interpretation.
  17. Miracles Of The Quran

    What a load of total unscientific bunkum. I wasted 20 minutes watching some of these videos and concluded they were utter nonsense. No right thinking person can take the vagaries of quoted text of the Qur'an to be an accurate, scientific description of the real world. Just to take "Part 6: The Layers Of The Atmosphere" as an example; the video says there are 7 layers and the Qur'an says there are 7 heavens thus concluding that each of the layers is one of the heavens. There are in fact 5 principle layers in the Earth's atmosphere plus another 3 to 5 additional layers: (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Earth%27s_atmosphere"]Wikipedia - Earth's Atmosphere[/url] Life is too short to bother going in to the rest in any detail, look in to it yourself and don't believe everything you see on YouTube.
  18. Famine In Somalia?

    This follows on from the "Blessings Of Allah(swt) Are Descending On Somalia" thread. It seems like those Al-Shabaab clowns are not helping the situation after all. Very sad, but hey, apparently Allah is just testing or punishing them. I guess we will never know which. Though, I can't see how an omnipotent, just and merciful god can cause innocent children and babies to suffer so terribly. How can punishing of babies ever be justified? What can they have done wrong? I can only presume they are being tested, but then why test a baby? None of it makes any sense to me. I guess they will be rewarded in heaven if they are free of sin....
  19. Qur'an 47:4 "strike Their Necks..."

    Your analysis is correct. I thought this kind of dogma in Islam was well known? I'm interested to see what other members of the forum have to say on the subject...
  20. Blessings Of Allah(swt) Are Descending On Somalia

    Are mulims more blessed/favoured or less punished/tested than non-muslims?
  21. Blessings Of Allah(swt) Are Descending On Somalia

    Are you saying that whenever something bad happens to a people (earthquake, famine, fire, flood etc.) then it is Allah testing, punishing or expiating them? Conversely if something good happens to a people (abundant harvests, good living conditions etc.) then that also is Allah's will? Does Allah only apply these punishments and rewards to Islamic people? Are infidels treated the same or differently? In this case (Somalia) which do you think it is: trial, punishment or expiation? SaracenSoldier, you didn't make any comment on the aid situation i.e. the only nations that have made a significant contribution so far (according to Al-Jazeera) are the USA, UK, Spain and Germany. I would be interested on hearing you views on this. Whether you think the aid givers have a hidden agenda or are just being compassionate? Why don't Islamic states give much? Is it because they believe it is Allah's will and they don't want to interfere or they simply lack compassion or interest?
  22. Blessings Of Allah(swt) Are Descending On Somalia

    It seems that Allah has indeed turned his back on the people of Somalia (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_english.aljazeera(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/news/africa/2011/07/2011720756724143.html"]Al Jazeera - Somalia Famine[/url] On the positive note it seems that Al-Shabaab are showing unusual generosity and compassion by letting aid agencies help. Many Western governments are steeping up to the plate to give supply aid: US - an additional $28m in aid (adding to the $431m in emergency assistance it has given to the Horn of Africa this year) Britain - $145m in the past two weeks Spain - $10m Germany - $8.5m It seems surprising to me how few countries are donating; no mention of the rich middle eastern states, far east (China, Pakistan, Indonesia, Japan), Russia, other European states (Italy, Austria, Netherlands, Scandinavians, France), South America or Australia. Perhaps the rest of the world will do more in weeks to come.
  23. Srebrenica - A Cry From The Grave

    Well, in the same sarcastic tone of your post may I say an insincere thank you for for yours. :no: I will take it as a compliment that the only thing you chose to comment on was the one thing that I openly admitted I couldn't verify. For your information I read about Mladic family being killed from a reputable, mainstream source such as the BBC or Telegraph not some anti-Islamic blog. Not that I am suggesting (assuming it is true) that it is an excuse but may partially explain his obvious hatred for muslims. I take it that you agreed with the rest of the post then? What a shame you didn't have the decency make some constructive input on the subject being discussed. Aren't Muslims supposed extol tolerance as a virtue? You seem posses very little of it.
  24. 1. A Message To Richard Dawkins. (uk Athiest)

    I don't think that Dawkins intends to insult but he does speak his mind and is forthright with his views. Most people are like this about things they deem as ridiculous, absurd or unbelievable. How would you regard someone who insisted and truly believed the world was flat or that the sun orbited the earth? Or that fairies cause the tides and earthquakes? How about if they thought a common cold was the work of a demon or evil spirit? You would likely pity them, ridicule them and/or attempt to educated them. Dawkins sees no difference between fairies causing earthquakes and the existence of god.
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