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  1. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    News Flash! Razzle-dazzle has found all the spiritual truth he can handle ... enough is enough already. No test for spirits/angels before Jesus, as far as I know ... but what do I know? Not sure if OT gave any test.
  2. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    1 JOHN 4:1-3 ... The Bible test for false spirits, false angels, demons, etc. 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. Note-1 The idea here is: (4:1) The false prophets are controlled by false spirits, and will say false things. (4:2) People speaking spiritual Truth from God have "the Holy Spirit of truth" inside of them leading them into all truth (John 16:13, etc.). (4:3) Other people have a different spirit about them (possibly inside of them) who are not speaking spiritual Truth from God. See this "different spirit" in 2 Corinthians 11:4. The Antichrist "spirit" refers to demons and people who are against Christ and His gospel. Note-2 Everyone knows that Jesus Christ came in the flesh (was born into the world), so this is talking about GOD coming in the flesh (being born into the world). Perhaps the best OT prophecies about God being born into the world are Isaiah 7:14 and 9:6. These are identical in the Dead Sea Scrolls. And I still haven't heard the Jewish explanation of why these verses are rubbish. I'm still open and searching for more spiritual truth ... are you?
  3. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    Yes, I get your point ... up to a point. IF Satan sent "Gabriel" to Mohammed ... of course Satan would know that he was arranging for a messenger to follow Jesus. True Christians would not have been deceived by God or Satan or anyone else ... because they have an inner Witness assuring them that what they have is the Truth. But again, this fact really is unprovable. Similarly, if a UFO lands in my backyard at 3am, I can't prove this unless there are witnesses. I'd like to NOTE here my appreciation for Redeem having so much patience with me all these weeks.
  4. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    Nashida, this is an updated version. See especially the second >>> Please try to follow my observations and reasoning … >>> In many verses, the Bible teaches that Satan is an extremely intelligent liar and deceiver! And historically, man has always been a spiritual moron (note all of the different faiths). The Bible warned that “Satan transforms himself into an angel of lightâ€. It warned against a false “angel from heaven†who preaches another gospel. It instructed how to TEST “angels†to see if they are from God or from Satan! It did a lot of warning about the arrival of false prophets and false gospels. I believe God intended for man to take ALL of His warnings seriously! 600 years later … an “angel†who called itself “Gabriel†appeared to Mohammed. It was not tested at all for any kind of authenticity! I see several other reasons why the source of the Qur’an is in doubt. Much of what this “angel†said is opposed to what the Bible says, i.e. its versions of the Torah stories are different than what the Torah says. It praises the Bible, and says it came to confirm it, but then preaches against it. Allah says he is the God of the Bible, but I see several differences between the two. >>> IF Satan was the source of the Qur’an, he surely would have mixed truth with lies! He would have included many impressive things and sayings to deceive us. An obvious conclusion would be: this false “angel Gabriel†deceived Mohammed. Another “angel†called "Moroni" deceived Joseph Smith resulting in Mormonism. I am very anxious to hear your thoughts on this extremely serious matter.
  5. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    Honestly, Christians believe ALL these things are true of their religion. But, I am told that Muslims have no way of being sure they're going to Heaven. You can't "see" what Christians do simply because ... “All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me … No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him … no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father ... etc.†(John 6:37, John 6:44, John 6:65, etc.) This is explained in about 20 different verses. Injil says Jesus' gospel is foolishness to most people (1 Corinthians 1;18).
  6. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    Hey, Problem, you got the first 2 right ... #1 ... Allah sent Jesus(as) with the message. #2 ... Jesus(as) delivered the message. #3 is ... People who were there, heard what Jesus(as) said, i.e. "the message". #4 is ... People who were there, saw what Jesus(as) did, i.e. miracles, etc. Gee, this is fun ... can we do more? #5 is ... People who were there, told other people what they had seen and heard. #6 is ... Whoever GOD decided to use as His "writers" (and who cares what their names were) ... remembered what they saw and/or heard, and wrote down what they saw and/or heard. Gee ... this is so complicated, I just can't stand it. If you don't believe what they wrote, Jesus has labelled you as being "filled with unbelief".
  7. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    Razzle-dazzle, There's only one thing in life that you can hang your hat on, and here it is: Satan has always known what the shape of the earth is. Circular, oval, elliptical, whatever ... I couldn't care less.
  8. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    AL, I won't tell you what I think ... I'll tell you what I know. GOD inspired men to write the Truth in the Bible ... of all of terrible sins that His sinful creations did, do now, and will do. Because ... don’t forget that GOD’s #1 PURPOSE FOR THE OT was to PROVE that Man was, is now, and will be TOTALLY incapable of being obedient to GOD’s Law(s)! PURPOSE #2 was to bring forth His Messiah/Savior through His chosen people. (The poor guy, the LORD, had to choose some people group!) Have a nice day. P.S. I'm gonna put your list up on my wall, so everyone can read what they already know. [using large font size is not allowed]
  9. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    RAZZ-MATTAZZER, I explained who prophets were/are in Post #30. Speaking GOD’s words for GOD is much different than your false concept. I.e. They were simply GOD’s messengers (and were as sinful as anyone else). I.e. Where does GOD tell any of His prophets to say to the people: "Watch this prophet of mine carefully, and follow his wonderful example."? And apparently you have not read Mohammed’s biography. You really should ... it's quite interesting.[using large font size is not allowed]
  10. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    Saracen, I didn't think it was necessary, but I guess it is ... Muslims’ problem is they do not understand GOD, SATAN, or MAN, or PROPHETS! Period, end of story. The list is growing ... now we have 4. GOD's prophets were just idiot men like you and I. GOD's prophets just happened to be chosen and called by GOD to be used by Him. GOD's prophets were given information to be passed on to idiots like you and I. Usually, GOD's prophets were obedient and did so. GOD's prophets often were greatly rejected ... what a life! GOD's prophets were men ... they often screwed up ... like idiots like us do. P.S. Lot was not a prophet, he was just a relative of Abraham. Both were idol-worshippers until GOD chose and called Abraham. P.S. If you wish to know the truth about such things, read the Bible.
  11. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    SOLDIER and RAZZ-MATTAZZ … Muslim websites have brainwashed you into believing falsehoods. The Bible was not altered nearly as much as you think. ALL of the major important doctrines are in ALL Bibles. NO Bible has ever been brought forth which is missing ANY of these. As for added and deleted words, phrases, clauses, sentences, books … WHAT A JOKE … How many times does the same info have to be in the Bible? What do you recommend? … 20 times, 10 times, how about 5 times, 3 times? I assume you’re referring to Lot. Was he a prophet of God? Doesn’t matter, he was a man. David was “a man after God’s own heartâ€, and he committed adultery and murder. News Flash … David was a man. I’ll give it to you straight … boys and girls … Muslims’ problem is they do not understand GOD, SATAN, or MAN. Period, end of story. To repeat what I've already said … ALL of the major important doctrines are in ALL Bibles. Show otherwise. I said the “angel†was not tested for authenticity, which the Bible insists must be done for all spirits, angels, etc. who come along (see 1 John 4:1-3). IF Satan was the source of the Qur’an, he surely would have mixed truth with lies! He would have included many impressive things and sayings to deceive us. I’m still SEEKING for more truth … how about you?
  12. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    Please try to follow my observations and reasoning … # -- In many verses, the Bible teaches that Satan is an extremely intelligent liar and deceiver! And historically, man has always been a spiritual moron (note all of the different faiths). Obviously, he has been deceived by his own thinking and/or by Satan. The Bible warned that “Satan transforms himself into an angel of lightâ€. It warned against a false “angel from heaven†who preaches another gospel. It instructed how to TEST “angels†to see if they are from God or from Satan! It did a lot of warning about the arrival of false prophets and false gospels. I believe God intended for man to take ALL of His warnings seriously! 600 years later … an “angel†who called itself “Gabriel†appeared to Mohammed. It was not tested at all for any kind of authenticity! I see several other reasons why the source of the Qur’an is in doubt. Much of what this “angel†said is opposed to what the Bible says, i.e. its versions of the Torah stories are different than what the Torah says. It praises the Bible, and says it came to confirm it, but then preaches against it. Allah says he is the God of the Bible, but I see several differences between the two. # -- IF Satan was the source of the Qur’an, he surely would have mixed truth with lies! He would have included many impressive things and sayings to deceive us. An obvious conclusion would be: this false “angel Gabriel†deceived Mohammed. Another “angel†called "Moroni" deceived Joseph Smith resulting in Mormonism. I am very anxious to hear your thoughts on this extremely serious matter.
  13. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    Razz, I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Like, you're wrong on almost every count. Maybe our polite and tactful Christians on this Forum will say, "Amen". Then again, maybe they won't. If you'd like to e-mail me, I'll explain some things.
  14. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    Okay, answering you straight on … No, it’s okay … everyone has read them … but, thank you anyway. I wouldn't necessarily say they were inspired by the devil ... because I don't know for sure what caused them to sin. When YOU sin, was it because you were inspired by the devil? Or, was it because of your sin nature? Or, was it because your sin nature chose to act on the thought that the devil put in your mind? The Bible tells the truth and doesn't pull any punches. Many things about man's nature are horrible, but GOD is not going to pretend they don't exist. He’s going to tell the truth about it. The Bible is deadly serious … it’s no fairy-tale. Since it was inspired by God, there's probably a reason for everything in there.
  15. Seriously, Isn't The Source Of The Qur'an In Doubt?

    Again, it's the problem of under-estimating Satan and his demons, and over-estimating man's goodness, wisdom, spiritual capabilities, etc. WHAT do you think Satan would attack? ... GOD's Book WHO do you think Satan would attack? ... GOD's people. So yes, obviously, GOD's people are "inspired by the devil" almost constantly. I've said before: Satan's demons specialize in putting thoughts into our minds. So what is of paramount importance is for man to put his thoughts through the FILTER of the Bible. Jesus mentioned many times the critical value of being an "OVERCOMER", which is all about believing and following what is taught in the Bible, which gives man everything he needs to know to actually be an overcomer. But, we have two great enemies: our fallen nature, and the demonic influence. Both of these war against our possibility of having spiritual success. Two ways of escape are both mandatory: believing in the Savior and his gospel, and being sanctified (made clean) by the Holy Spirit. I've said before: the Bible tells the truth and doesn't pull any punches. Many things about man's nature are horrible, but GOD is not going to pretend they don't exist. The whole O.T. was set up to PROVE to everyone that man is a hopeless sinner (needs a Savior). The second major reason for it was to bring forth MESSIAH (Savior) through the (protected) Jews. That guy on the cross had GOD inside of him for many reasons ... one being to ensure that the guy would not sin, and so be the prefect (and final) sacifificial lamb. But, believing all of the above "foolishness" (1 Cor. 1:18) requires special revelation from GOD. (There are many, many verses about this fact.)
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