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  1. Favourite Surah To Listen To

    As salaam alaykum brothers and sisters, so we have some threads here related to favourite verses of quran etc but what is your favourite surah to listen to? And more importantly why is it your favourite verse. Mine is surah al layl. Why? I just love how it effects my heart when I listen to it especially at the part inna sa'yakum lashatta (Certainly, your efforts and deeds are diverse)..because it is so true that we are all here, we were all born in the same way yet we grow up in different ways with regards to our faith. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXPXUcXy_0I&feature=related
  2. Types Of Sadaqah (charity)

    Fiqh-us Sunnah Section 48. Zakat-ut-Tatawwu or Voluntary Sadaqah Section : Types of Sadaqah. Sadaqah is not restricted to any special deed of righteousness. The general rule is that all good deeds are sadaqah. Some of them are as follows: The Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said: "Every Muslim has to give sadaqah." The people asked: "O Prophet of Allah, what about the one who has nothing?" He said: "He should work with his hands to give sadaqah." They asked: "If he cannot find [work]?" He replied: "He should help the needy who asks for help." They asked: "If he cannot do that?" He replied: "He should then do good deeds and shun evil, for this will be taken as sadaqah." This is related by al-Bukhari and others. The Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said: "Sadaqah is prescribed for every person every day the sun rises. To administer justice between two people is sadaqah. To assist a man upon his mount so that he may ride it is sadaqah. To place his luggage on the animal is sadaqah. To remove harm from the road is sadaqah. A good word is sadaqah. Each step taken toward prayer is sadaqah." This is related by Ahmad and others. Abu Zhar al-Ghafari said: "The Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said: 'Sadaqah is for every person every day the sun rises.' I said: 'O Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, from what do we give sadaqah if we do not possess property?' He said: 'The doors of sadaqah are takbir [i.e., to say: Allahu-akbar, Allah is Great]; Subhan-Allah [Allah is free from imperfection]; Alhamdulillah [all praise is for Allah]; La -ilaha-illallah [there is no god other than Allah]; Astaghfirul-lah [i seek forgiveness from Allah]; enjoining good; forbidding evil; removing thorns, bones, and stones from the paths of people; guiding the blind; listening to the deaf and dumb until you understand them; guiding a person to his object of need if you know where it is; hurrying with the strength of your legs to one in sorrow who is appealing for help; and supporting the weak with the strength of your arms. These are all the doors of sadaqah. [The sadaqah] from you is prescribed for you, and there is a reward for you [even] in sex with your wife.'" This is related by Ahmad, and the wording is his. According to Muslim, they said: "O Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, is there a reward if one satisfies his passion?" He said: "Do you know that if he satisfies it unlawfully he has taken a sin upon himself? Likewise, if he satisfies it lawfully, he is rewarded." It is related following Abu Zhar that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said: "Sadaqah is prescribed for each descendant of Adam every day the sun rises." It was asked: "O Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, from what do we give sadaqah every day?" He said: "The doors of goodness are many - the tasbih [to say 'Subhaan-Allah'], the tamhid [to say 'Alhamdu lillah'], the tahlil [to say 'La-ilaha-illallah], enjoining good, forbidding evil, removing harm from the road, listening to the deaf, leading the blind, guiding one to the object of his need, hurrying with the strength of one's legs to one in sorrow who is asking for help, and supporting the feeble with the strength of one's arms--all of these are sadaqah prescribed for you." This is related by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih. Al-Bukhari related it in a shortened form and added in his report: "Your smile for your brother is sadaqah. Your removal of stones, thorns, or bones from the paths of people is sadaqah. Your guidance of a person who is lost is sadaqah." The Messenger of Allah also said: "He from among you who is able to protect himself from the Fire should give sadaqah, even if but with half a date. If he does not find it, then with a good word." The Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said: "Allah, the Majestic and Mighty, shall say on the Day of Judgment: 'O son of man! I was ill and you did not visit me.' He will reply: 'O my Lord! How could I visit You and You are the Lord of the Worlds?' Allah shall say: 'Did you not know that My slave, so-and-so, was ill and you did not visit him? If you had visited him, you would have found Me with him. O son of man! I asked you for food and you did not give it to me.' He will reply: 'O my Lord! How could I give You food--You are the Lord of the Worlds?' Allah shall say: 'Did you not know that My slave, so-and-so, asked you for food and you did not give it to him? Did you not know that if you had given the food, you would have found that with Me? O son of man! I asked you to quench My thirst and you did not.' He will say: 'O my Lord! How could I quench Your thirst--You are the Lord of the Worlds?' Allah shall say: 'My slave, so-and-so, asked you to quench his thirst and you did not. If you had given him to drink, you would have found that with Me.'" This is related by Muslim. The Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said: "A Muslim does not plant or sow anything from which a person, an animal, or anything eats but it is considered as sadaqah from him." This is related by al-Bukhari. The Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said: "Every good deed is sadaqah. To meet your brother with a smiling face and to pour out from your bucket into his container are sadaqah."[using large font size is not allowed]
  3. Jesus believed in one God Jesus replied, "The most important commandment is this: 'Listen, O israel! The LORD our God is the one and only LORD. (Mark 12:29) Islam: And your Ilah (god) is one Ilah (god - Allah), La ilaha illa Huwa (there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He), the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. (Holy Quran 2:163) Christians today: Jesus was circumcised On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived. (Luke 2:21) Islam: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic region, clipping the nails and cutting the moustaches short." (Bukhari Book 72 Hadith 777) World Health Organisation Statistic Map showing the areas of circumcision,as can be seen Muslim populated countries are circumcised the most. Jesus fasted for more than a month For forty days and forty nights he fasted and became very hungry. (Matthew 4:2). Islam: Muslims are required every year to fast during the month of Ramadan - Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful. (Holy Quran 2:185). Jesus used the peace be with you greeting Luke 24:36, Islam: Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessing be upon him) observed: You shall not enter Paradise so long as you do not affirm belief (in all those things which are the articles of faith) and you will not believe as long as you do not love one another. Should I not direct you to a thing which, if you do, will foster love amongst you: (i. e.) give currency to (the practice of paying salutation to one another by saying) as-salamu alaikum. (Sahih Muslim Book1, Hadith 96) Jesus promoted modesty But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matthew 5:28) Islam: tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do. (Holy Quran 24:30) Jesus prayed like a Muslim He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, "My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine." (Matthew 26:39) Islam: Many other examples which other members may share! Jesus never called himself a Christian yet those people who call themselves Christians say they are followers of Jesus. Like many things in Christianity, the world Christian was invented after Jesus left the people. Jesus was a Muslim. A Muslim is one who submits themselves to God, Islam is the religion of submission to God. Jesus worshipped the same God Muslims worship. Islam is not a religion that was introduced by the prophet Muhammad pbuh but rather he was the final prophet to come and complete the religion. The quran emphasises the belief in all the prophets as they were all one of the same faith, in submission to their Creator, Allah. Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." (The Holy Quran 2:136)
  4. As salaam alaykum What has happened to the forum in the sense that it has been so quiet for a long time? I know people have their own lives and I too myself have been absent for long periods but I like this forum compared to others out there. I wonder are people actually coming to the forum and just not posting (the lurkers) or is it a case that forums are not popular anymore? There is a wealth of information on this forum, its sad to think that its not being used when it could be fixed by promoting the website more. Whatever the reason I would like for the forum to become active again, I enjoy posting here. I personally don't use social media, but wouldn't it be a good way to promote the website, brother dot? Or maybe some of the members could promote it also just to get it a bit active again. Anyone else have any suggestions?
  5. Peace to all, After the attacks that happened in Paris yesterday (which I am sure you have all heard of by now) I am deeply disturbed by this viscious cycle of Islamophobia and religious extremism. Firstly I do not agree with what happened to those people who were killed but secondly I am certainly disgusted by the work they did. The media is making this about an attack on freedom of speech. Freedom of speech? What is freedom of speech. Is it about causing disharmony in society and hurting minority groups? I am trying to avoid articles about it today because many news agencies have decided to reprint the works of those cartoonists. They are doing it out of 'principle' they say to protect freedom of speech. Western leaders have spoken out saying that it was an attack on freedom of speech. Muslim leaders on the other hand have spoken out against the attack but they have added that Islamophobia needs to stop. Freedom of speech needs boundaries. In Germany nazi propaganda is not allowed. In most countries of the world any material that supports child abuse is not allowed. There are many examples where there are limits to freedom of speech in western countries. I do not support a police state which monitors publications in a the strict sense of the matter. But I also do not support this extreme view that we can mock others without any limits. In Islam, many Muslims are taught to love the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) more than their own parents! Somehow we are stripped of our right to be offended - and I am not talking about killing people, I am talking about the right to speak about our offense. We are told that we are too sensitive, that we are controlling society, that we want everything our way, that we are against free speech. We are basically forced into a corner, told to shut up and get on with it. I don't even want to describe the ways in which these cartoonists portrayed the prophet because it disturbs me. But we are expected to think that its normal and acceptable that people have a career which is centred on mocking a religious figure. What is the purpose of such publications other than to incite hatred and encourage Islamophobia? I certainly do not expect everyone to agree with the prophet Muhammad. I am a realist. There will be people who do not believe in religion. There will be people who are against Islam. However, if you are going to be against Islam , then at least attack it with academic arguments. These countries wonder why there are some Muslim groups have gone to fight abroad and they wonder why they just can't be happy living in Europe. Are they really so blind to see how the promotion of hatred against Islam is directly linked to religious extremism?? They do not wish to create peace between Muslims and non Muslims it seems. Finally I am annoyed by the actions of these men because it only serves into the hands of the enemies of Islam even more. The life of Muslims in France is difficult enough without this happening. This does not serve to protect Islam, but rather it damages Islam. It also damages our prophet because now these images are more popular than ever. So many people in the world would not have known about these images if the events of yesterday did not happen. We need to encourage enemies of Islam to understand Islam. I would like to remind those who despair that even the biggest enemies of Islam became Muslims. Arnoud van Doon for example, once a member of a far right party in the Netherlands which promoted anti Islamic content, converted to Islam. His son then converted to Islam having seeing the effect Islam had on his fathers life! Also let us remember that one of the closest friends of Muhammad pbuh was once an enemy of Islam, Umar ibn Khattab. These people are a testimony that the strongest haters of Islam can embrace Islam. We need to be careful in how we respond to the haters because they want nothing more than for us to be shown in a negative light.
  6. Help Me Understand Her Crazy Mind

    welcome to the forum, don't judge Islam by the actions of muslims. Surely you know christians who do not behave according to the bible or jews who do not behave according to the Torah. Use this forum to learn about Islam.
  7. Celebrating World Hijab Day

    wa alaykum as salaam I wouldn't say I am extremely against it but I am against it in the sense that it confines the education of hijab to one day in a year. This is really a western type of thing. You know mothers day they choose one day, fathers day another, expressing love (valentines) on another, womens day on another. When really from an Islamic point of view we should celebrate our mothers and fathers every day. We should express love everyday, and respect women everyday. So as regards to the education of hijab, I believe the concept is a good one but the way it is implemented should be changed. There should be a daily approach not an annual one.
  8. The Islamic State

    Well what is sharia law is a very broad topic Gnosis. It would be difficult to discuss it in one reply. As you can imagine there are many books on sharia law and like other laws there are sections such as family law, the economy etc. Dress code is just a small section. Plus I cannot say I am an expert in sharia law, I just do my best to educate myself by learning more. But there are people who study this as a subject for many many years. There are schools of thought within Islamic thought which take the culture into account when discussing the implementation of the law. If you look across the Muslim world you will find in some countries most women only cover their hair while in other countries most cover their faces. So sometimes you do have to take culture into account. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) also took this into account. For example some things he changed slowly over years because he knew that the people were not ready to change so suddenly and that if this change were implemented completely in full maybe people would become more stubborn about changing. Most scholars in Islamic thought agree that hijab includes covering the hair. Some argue that it includes the face and hands. So yes there are different opinions surely. But in general the majority agree on the hair. But of course hijab is not just about a hair or face covering. It is also a concept of modesty. Like some women cover their hair but maybe they wear really tight and revealing clothes so it defeats the purpose. It is also about the way one talks and one walks. Men also are subject to rulings on how they dress, walk and talk too. That may seem quite controlling from an outside perspective. It annoys people that a law could advise people how to talk but really it is about bringing harmony to society. I am sure there are times you can think of when that one loud person on the bus or in a cafe just annoyed you. I don't understand your question about how it fits with secular law? The point of implementing Islamic law is to get rid of the secular law. Perhaps if you want to discuss hijab, niqab or modesty in Islam more you can start a new thread or I am sure there are older ones if you use the search function.
  9. Prayers Please

    How is your son now?
  10. Hi Russell, Riba is like interest but that doesn't describe it very well because it includes more than that. It is about an unjust economic system. There is a lot of info online about it if you are interested in reading about it. The problem with western intervention is that some western organisations fund certain groups allowing them to become more powerful in society - so really we cannot talk about democracy in its true sense when this happens. Because democracy should include a level playing ground yet when they choose groups which only identify with generally a neoliberal form of western thought then that is a problem. Socialist groups are not considered as important to fund for example. The gentle approach is not about watching people die but it is about focusing on the basic needs. it is a very active approach but it tries to bring about a change from the bottom up. A lot of western intervention tries to make changes from the top down which can be very damaging. And this can lead to extremist ideologies flourishing as certain groups feel alienated from society. What is your opinion on the suspected British citizen who is apparently now a member of an extremist group in Syria? What do you think about the connection between harsh interrogation methods and the rise of extremist ideology? Does it not concern you that there may be a direct link between the both? Some of the most well known terrorists in the world went through brutal interrogation methods which they claim affected them even more in how they thought about their ideology ( and this includes individuals from many organisations that wouldn't be classed as ''islamist''). (This thread which I began was supposed to be about Islamophobia and religious extremism and the relationship between them. I want to discuss your comments but homosexuality and women's rights do not belong in this thread as it would inevitably go off topic. And I am very willing to hold these discussions with you in another thread as I said but I won't discuss them on this thread).
  11. Hi russell, Yes I am open to arguments that suggest our moral code is wrong - like I said this thread isn't the place though. But I am yet to come across convincing arguments that suggest that we should have riba (interest) or we should allow homosexuality etc. I actually think it would be an interesting debate - the optimal for society/individual one. Well that is the million dollar question - why does God want us here if he knows what happens? Sure lots of people have asked the question, do you think Muslims have also not pondered upon this question? But because of my belief in the nature of God this does not prevent me from believing in God. I think the concept of God in Islam is the most whole one but we must also balance this knowledge with the fact that we are the creation, not the decision makers. There are different ways of looking at it. You hold the negative view since you think of all the tragedies while I hold the positive view. I have this view because despite our stubbornness and ignorance as humans, God continues to sustain us. For me that is truly love. And I suppose for those who do not understand the power of God it really stems from arrogance - because most humans do not want to believe there is something greater than them that they have no power over. See Islam brings the balance of different concepts of God into one which is what makes it so amazing. I am not going into womens rights on this thread because its off topic but I think you have a very black and white view of women in Islam. And you clearly don't know that some Muslim women work too and earn a lot of money! I just find it funny the obsession some non Muslims have with the status of women in Islam. I really wonder how many Muslim women they have met. Even if apes are 99% similar to us - that wouldn't make me believe we are the same. I don't know where you are going with this. I believe the mind of the human is very different especially when it comes to language. You can give me more info about our similarities and I have read it all but I am focusing on the differences. I wouldn't agree with that at all! Just because a woman covers her face doesn't make her a true Muslim. It doesn't mean she prays 5 times a day. The burqa doesn't define your level of faith. Unless you are getting the concept of hijab mixed up with burqa then I understand what you are trying to say. Because yes there is some form of hijab which Muslims can agree on (even if they do not adopt it). Like it is clear that we should cover out bodies although the head part is debated amongst different Muslims. And as for arranged marriages - its a very cultural issue in some Muslim countries. It has benefits but if two people want to get married they have a right and their parents should not interfere unless for a very good reason. There is nothing in Islam which says you must have an arranged marriage. Again I think you have a very black and white view of Islam. No I don't think my child would turn gay ha..although I am sure some people hold this thought. My point is more about the acceptance of it. If we allow such thing we allow it to become normalised in society. I do not accept it as normal and I will never accept it as normal. If tolerance means accepting such things as normal then I am not tolerant. There are alternatives to western intervention. There is a lot of assumptions made on behalf of western intervention about how the people feel but I don't believe they really ask the people how they feel. I am not specifically against it just for Muslim countries because I also see it in other conflicts such as the one in Ukraine right now. I agree with humanitarian intervention but there are very different interpretations of this concept and I believe the one that most western countries adopt is a very wide one. It is a very dominating concept hid behind the banner of human rights. Anyway I think you have good topics for debate but I can't discuss them here because then we would go off topic. Feel free to start them elsewhere on the forum.
  12. Prayers Please

    May God bless him and keep him strong.
  13. Salam =)

    wa alaykum as salaam welcome to the forum, inshaAllah you will gain some knowledge while you are here
  14. The Islamic State

    I am not ignorant enough to come around to your way of thinking Aligarr. You demand us to be honest about what is going on yet you cannot be honest about US involvement and how this led to the emergence of such groups. I am not an apologetic for this group because I definitely do not agree with some of their ideology. Just because I agree with some parts does not make me their supporter because clearly some of their ideology stems from pure Islam. So how could I possibly deny this part? I do deny the part which transgresses the limits of Islam and I know many Muslims who agree with me. This does not make me an apologetic - what have I to apologise for? Oh lets talk about news yeah. This is news worthy but what about the terrorist actions of the US which I mentioned in a different thread directed at you? Why is this not news worthy? Do you actually think there are no political motives behind news stories? Seriously Aligarr you are making yourself look worse the more you comment. The US is very much behind an agenda to silence news such as wikileaks because it reveals the truth about the US involvement in Iraq. Of course western media are not the only media outlets reporting, everyone knows that. Yet the way in which it is framed by western media is different. Only smaller alternative news agencies will use the term 'self acclaimed Islamic state' or 'self styled'. So when news agencies leave out the self acclaimed part they legitimise this group by calling them Islamic state. The consequences this has on Muslims within the West are clearly damaging. From what I see the west complains on and on about this group yet they are doing everything this group wants them to do - giving them all the news time in the world. I agree that sharia law is not supported by all Muslims because unfortunately some Muslims have been influenced by ignorance. Yet where do you get your information about a small minority only want it. This is not true at all. You don't understand sharia law yourself as you see it through a narrow understanding, so you do not know what you are talking about. Most Muslims do want some form of sharia law, although there is disagreement in how to implement it. Yet people like you try to use this example of why sharia law should not be implemented. You use these examples to influence Muslims and take them away from Islam. There is an agenda to completely take Islam out of public life and keep it only at home. This is why Islam must be brought back into the education system in Muslim countries and taught extensively so that Muslims understand that sharia law can be implemented properly and successfully. Only then can Muslims have the ability to stand up to those within the Muslim world and outside the Muslim world who tarnish the truth of Islam. We do not need to take advise from non Muslims on how to implement Islam because we know only quite well that they desire for us not to implement it at all.
  15. The Terrorism Game

    Aligarr continues to deny the terrorist activities of the US yet continues to be a hypocrite by criticising those who committed similar acts. He actually believes that the US did not intentionally kill innocent civilians. Just because the US did not have a written policy of 'kill the civilians'. He actually thinks that just because it was not a written policy or strategy that it was not supported and that it did not happen. Thanks to wikileaks (which the US government is trying to silence) we have visual evidence of US soldiers murdering civilians from a helicopter in broad daylight and then a child. I am not going to post the video here because of its nature but for those who want to see it, it is widely available online. It is a disgusting act of terrorsts who behave like they are in a video game and make jokes about what they did. Aligarr is clearly a sympathiser of terrorists and makes excuses for their actions.
  16. The Islamic State

    Aligarr you want us to come around to your way of thinking which is very biased and one sided. You cannot see beyond your own borders. I honestly don't care if you call me a lost soul it is not going to change my opinion. Do I think it is a good thing if alcohol is banned? Yes. Do I think it is a good thing that innocent civilians are caught up in this? No. You want us to brand everything with one word to conform to your black and white world but it is not like this. And when I said that the media is giving attention that was just my point. Who said anything about bakeries! My point was that the west complains about terrorists, yet if they really cared they would ban all news attention to this group whom they deem terrorists. Any sane person knows that news attention benefits such groups even if the news is negative. Why does the west promote their speeches which they deem hate speech if they really care about people falling victim to their ideology.
  17. The Islamic State

    I agree. Yet I fear more that some Muslims ignore this because some of the stuff they do is actually good. Yes let us discuss this openly. The western media do not discuss it openly. They for obvious reasons do not want to focus on the good aspects because they are opposed to certain actions. Yet we become like the western media which we oppose when we ignore the bad because we agree with the good. The law of Islam is a balanced just system when implemented correctly and therefore we should encourage for it to be implemented properly. We shouldn't listen to what the West want us to do. We should take our own initiative. We shouldn't expect things to eventually go well just because the some parts of the system are good. That is a ridiculous logic to go by. Just because some people implement some good laws does not make them unquestionable and above the law. And unfortunately right now, the media gives more attention to the dead hostages so of course a dead hostage becomes more valuable to those in power.That is the sad reality of it all.
  18. Hello Russell, I get your point about halal food but it is something to do with your government as they enact the law and these regulations fall under their authority. The lack of regulations surrounding the authority of manufacturers is also under the government’s watch. This issue doesn't exist in my country because we have different laws. From my point of view, yes an atheist is irrational. But I know that I am just as much irrational for them. A lot of Muslims would also consider themselves humanists as they believe the moral codes set out by Islam is for the benefit of society. It just happens to be that peoples definitions of happiness changes. And it also happens to be that some people just want happiness in this life and not happiness in another life because they don’t believe there is anything beyond this life. I don’t think that such divisions between humans will change. That is why I believe it is best to work on what we agree. I suppose it is always going to be a case that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. I might not agree with the actions of some people while others will. I might agree with the actions of some people while others won’t. And you fail to see that it is the failure of humans to implement justice not God. Of course God is all knowing but that does not mean He must intervene every time we do something wrong in this world. The purpose of this world is a test and He will intervene in time when our judgement is upon us. For if he were to intervene all the time then what sort of test would it be? Of course there are alternatives to ignorant and malicious, for God is the Most Merciful and All Powerful. I don’t expect you to understand that. Repressed life of a Muslim woman, ha that is funny. I couldn't feel more liberated as a Muslim! And yes this is what makes me happy. I don’t know why you keep going on about halal food, like it is clearly an issue for you but in my country Muslims do not trick people into buying halal. Surely apes have many similar traits with us. Yet they also have very different traits. Humans are very complex beings and we are certainly different in relation to other creation. I don’t know if God talked to apes, I also don’t think it is an issue worth much thinking about. It is not going to change my life significantly if He did or didn’t. I do believe all creation are aware of God, but whether he sent ape messengers or fish messengers is not something I think about. It is enough for me to know that they are also a creation of God and like all creation they learnt how to live from God. I don’t believe anything on this earth from bacteria to humans just learnt how to behave naturally. Maybe our learning through messengers is different though. But again I don’t think it will change my life by knowing if apes got ape messengers or if God just said ‘Be’ and it was. But we can’t just all make up whatever lifestyle suits us. You know quite well it wouldn't work. Because someone’s lifestyle will affect us somehow down the line. I don’t know why you bring up the burqa or arranged marriage as if just because I am a Muslim female that I subscribe to these! Your theory sounds great in a world of live and let live. But humans are not functioned like this. I don’t want my child to go to school where the teacher is a man who dresses up as a woman. So what is humanism going to say – they don’t force you to live like them? Yet their presence in the classroom makes children think that it is right/acceptable to live like this. It is just one example that people would argue about. I don’t really care if I am told that I am impinging on them because I don’t believe their lifestyle is suitable in an educational setting. I don’t think Muslims are touchy. I think Muslims actually care about their religion. We are the only group that is standing up to the imposed liberal western system. We are the only group that have a system of law that can actually compete with the dominant western culture. If doing this means we are easily offended then I will be called offended to stand for what I believe in. Muslims are not willing to allow their religion to be subordinated to a level which will make it irrelevant in society. We are not the only people who are against the dominant system but we are the only ones right now in time that appear to be challenging it the most. Well I do have reasons which I believe are rational for believing in God. I don’t subscribe to reasons such as it is the way it is or it is faith. I chose Islam based on what I think it is right by researching it. If you want to find these ideas you can. I don’t agree with imposing a system from somewhere foreign with no understanding of society. That doesn’t mean that I don’t believe societies ideas shouldn’t be questioned over time. Development itself is a contested concept. Some organisations would say subscribe to a very basic concept while others have a more complex political one.
  19. The Terrorism Game

    I didn't say that all Muslims are not innocent. I am not claiming that American people are all bad and that Muslim people are all good. I have already said that I think Muslims themselves have created problems without US involvement. However, I am not going to sit back and willingly believe everything the American government tells me. I actually have a brain which I prefer to use. There are different sides to each story and not all of them are right. Look how much America tried to cover up wikileaks, because in it were so many unheard truths, so many things that were at one point denied suddenly became evidently true. There were also people in those societies who called out for America not to get involved yet their voices aren't important. Personally, I am not against humanitarian intervention. I don't believe we should live in a world where we sit back while other innocent people in the world are being massacred. I do have a problem with humanitarian intervention being exploited though. There is a problem when the 'policeman' and 'democratic model' of the world is the largest exporter of military arms in the world. The fact remains that the military industrial complex exists because of wars. Do you honestly believe that some of the groups which are branded terrorists now did not get weapons from America at some point? Ala'adin's point about political parties being branded terrorists when they discuss sharia law is very true. However, even when political parties discuss how they would like to give more rights to religious people or even if they discuss Islam, they are branded extreme, conservative. For countries/political parties which do not support America's role of being ruler of the world well then you are framed as against human rights and basic rationality.
  20. Yes and unfortunately it is the shouters that are heard the most. There are many towns or communities around the world where Christians, Jews and Muslims live side by side. There are different beliefs yet people generally get along. Unfortunately, such examples are rarely known because the shouters get more attention and therefore we can think of many examples where such groups don't live side by side peacefully.
  21. The Terrorism Game

    The dictators? You mean the ones that America supported for decades? And the ones that it continues to support? Several countries in the central asian region have poor human rights records yet because it is a hub for energy, America doesn't discuss it openly. When civil war broke out in the Arab world, all the west could do was talk about an Arab Spring in which democracy would finally come to the Arab world. They clearly encouraged groups they sided with, regardless of understanding how this could effect the society. The basis on which America got involved in Libya was on the concept of R2P yet howcome that is not applied in even worse situations around the world? What the intervention clearly was about was regime change. Do you think we are that stupid to think that America does not have its own national interest when they get involved in foreign lands? What sane country would send their citizens to fight if they had no benefit from it? If you really think its about protecting citizens then continue to delude yourself. And you say maybe Libya, Iraq and Syria's dictators should have been left to their own devices - well America ignored these dictators for years. When the time is right they will turn on another dictator which they support right now. Everyone here knows that the American government is a hypocrite when it comes to human rights and who they brand a terrorist. Thankfully though I know there are many Americans who actually agree with us and are aware of the hypocrisy unlike you.
  22. The Terrorism Game

    Your right everyone has a brain to use. But I am sure our responses in time of war are very different than in times of peace. It is very difficult for humans to think rationally when their families have been slaughtered.So how can we judge from foreign lands what we think the Iraqi people should be feeling when we didn't have to live the same life as they did? And I would just like to reiterate that I don't think that Daesh are the CIA etc. I am just saying that the conditions America created in the Middle East allowed them to come to power. Well then the American government and its partner in crime, israel are also terrorists,The neocons even support the idea of spreading democracy by violence because of the end result. Why must there be a double standard when it comes to labeling of terrorist? I don't disagree that there are sectarian issues but we are not allowed discuss them on this forum. But if you think the US has not played with such divides you are really deluded. The Muslim world asking for help from the US? And what help do they give, they arm people with more weapons. They arm people who they don't even understand what they are fighting for. A few years down the line they will change their minds and call the same people they armed terrorists. If you want to help Muslims why don't you take any refugees? Again you talk about the acts of Daesh as being barbaric as if America can no longer stand by? The policeman of the world just cannot sit by and watch barbarism go on? Yet America has stood by for years watching others commit acts of barbarism. Needless to say the acts of America itself in times of war that amounted to barbarism. Muslims would take America more seriously if they were consistent in who they accuse of barbarism. Why does America need to hide all the time behind this idealistic view that they are the protectors of human rights. You know what annoys me so much about people like you? You think we are the ones spreading ludicrous allegations yet you cannot face up to the reality of what your own government is. Why is it so hard to accept that there is such thing as state terrorism? It is just so unbelievable how unaware you people are of the reality of what America is. You really think everything they tell you is the truth. America doesn't have a duty to 'rescue' the world. Its involvement in the Middle East in the past decade is its black spot which is not going to leave the minds of Muslims right now. I wouldn't trust them so I am not surprised as to why many other Muslims wouldn't trust your government.
  23. Muslims Do Not Need To Apologise For The Crimes Of Others

    Gnosis we also don't understand the concept of apologising for others actions. Our silence is deemed as acceptance but when we talk we are ignored anyway. There is no winning when there is a double standard. But it is good to see that you are not blinded by such ignorance. And I know there are other non Muslims like you.
  24. The Terrorism Game

    Aligarr I am not delusional enough to blame everything on the Americans. I have said many times on this forums that Muslims need to accept we have our own problems which we created ourselves too. I am pretty sure I have made that clear. And when I have I used the word confused as an excuse? I said some Muslims are confused. I said this because there is an ideology which appears attractive to them and because of lack of Islamic education in most of the Muslim world, they cannot have the knowledge to fight against this ideology. Neither you nor I, live in a country that has been destroyed by war in the past 10 years so we cannot understand the mindset of people who live there. Yet the deeper roots behind the scene are often not discussed and the West in particular has been slow to discuss such issues. I don't deny that there are some groups who are operating independently now - and I find it sad that some Muslims must find a conspiracy theory to reject this. I find it worrying that some Muslims must deny that other Muslims actually are involved in such acts. And on the other hand we don't need to be covering up the fact that such groups came to power due to America's past actions. And I don't believe that the way everything is reported in mainstream media, is the way things actually happen. America seems very unwilling to discuss how its involvement in the Middle East has led to such groups rise to power. They destroyed a country and left without any political plan in place. Basically they left people to pick up the damage they created. And America clearly isn't learning from it's mistakes as they continue to train what they deem 'moderates'. Should these groups turn against America in the future they will be called terrorists too. So in this sense I am saying Muslims should not rely on help from America. America is so concerned with certain groups in the Middle East but how can Muslims take them seriously when there is no political will to fight Assad. Even now some western countries are discussing how maybe they should negotiate with Assad. All I hear is Obama going on and on and on about the terrorists. So what, is Assad no longer a terrorist?