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  1. Camel Urine As Medicine

    may be some people were considering camel urine having some medicinal value during the prophet's time and they might have attributed this as a sahih hadith report to the prophet for more authenticity. Prophet muhammed would not advice people to drink camel urine for any illness. This is not an issue pertaining to religion. (by the way which illness camel urine is suitable and who is supposed to prescribe this?). Quran gives extream importance for clealiness and also directs us to take tayib food. Suppose human urine has some medicinal value (it has indeed some medicinal properties like Pergonal, a fertility drug made from human urine), does it mean that we can direct people to drink theirown unrine? absurd.
  2. Abrogation Vs. Allahs Perfection

    SA, I have checked more than 10 different translations and everyone has translated as "forgotten", except Muhammed Asad who translated it as "consign to oblivion"; Any message which We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything? (106) Well, 1. If "Whatever a verse (revelation) do Nansakh or Nunsiha) means, "Whatever Ayah We repeal or uphold without change" what does it mean "We replace with a better or a similar one"? Again, it would make no sense for Allah to invalidate one verse then replace it with another verse that is identical to it! (or uphold without change) 2. "Ibn Mas`ud (who read this word Nansa'ha) said that it means, "We uphold its wording and change its ruling.". I can not find any clarity in this statement. Are you indirectly saying all translators have gone wrong in their translations? please explain 3. "Ubayd bin `Umayr, Mujahid and `Ata' said, `Nansa'ha' means, "We delay it (i.e., do not abrogate it)" No clarity and please explain (do not abrogate it????) 4. Further, `Atiyyah Al-`Awfi said that the Ayah means, "We delay repealing it.'' (Repealing what? Please explain) WS
  3. Abrogation Vs. Allahs Perfection

    WS, Instead of countering with valid supporting points you have come up with different questions. Anyhow I hope you will agree with me when I say the term "forgotten" in the verse can not refer to verses of the Quran since the abrogated verses are also considered to be part of the quran Well, I had explained "miracles" in the first verse with the support of other verses, but it could be perfectly suitable that that verse also refers to substitution one scripture with another scripture or substitution of one verse in one scripture with another verse in another scripture, BUT CERTAINLY NOT ONE QURANIC VERSE WITH ANOTHER QURANIC VERSE. SA
  4. Abrogation Vs. Allahs Perfection

    WS, This verse 16:101 does not speak about the substitution of one verse in the Quran with another. The substitution spoken of here is concerned with one of two things: a- The substitution of one Scripture in place of another. This first meaning is given evidence to in the following verse: "Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them." 5:48. Here, the words "superseding them" confirm that the previous scripture were substituted with the Quran. b- The substitution of one law within one Scripture with another in a subsequent Scripture This second meaning is also given evidence to in the Quran where various issues that were prohibited to the previous people of the book were made lawful in the Quran. As an example, we are told in 2:187 that sexual intercourse between married couples during the nights of the fasting month was made lawful, while it was prohibited previously. We are also told in 6:146 that God prohibited for the Jews all animals with undivided hoofs; and of the cattle and sheep the fat was prohibited. These were made lawful in the Quran. This verse 16:101 does not speak about the substitution of one verse in the Quran with another. The evidence to that is given within the same verse (16:101): The key to the meaning of the verse lies in the words: "........they say, "You are but a forger.'' . Here we must stop and ask, who is likely to tell the messenger "You are but a forger.''? and why? For sure it cannot be his followers, his followers are not likely to tell him "You are but a forger.''....it has to be those who do not believe in him, which focuses on the followers of previous scripture who feared that their scripture was in danger of being "substituted" with the Quran... The Jews and Christians do not care if one verse in the Quran is substituted for another, after all they do not believe in the whole book... they will not complain that one verse in the Quran is being substituted with another! However, if they fear that their Scripture is being substituted by the Quran, they will immediately accuse the messenger that the Scripture he brings (Quran) is not from God but "You are but a forger''. These glorious words "You are but a forger'' indeed stand as true indicator from God Almighty that the substitution spoken of in this verse is not related to one within the Quran, but indeed a substitution between one scripture and another.
  5. Abrogation Vs. Allahs Perfection

    SA, It can easily be verified that the word ‘Ayah’ in this particular verse could not mean a verse in the Quran. 1. The words "cause to be forgotten" could not be applicable if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a verse in the Quran. How can a verse in the Quran become forgotten? For even if the verse was invalidated by another it will still be part of the Quran (as it is said) and thus could never be forgotten. 2. The words "We replace it with its equal" would be meaningless if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a Quranic verse, simply because it would make no sense for Allah to invalidate one verse then replace it with one that is identical to it! 3. If the word ‘Ayah’ in the verse meant a miracle or a sign, then all the words of the verse would make perfect sense. The words "cause to be forgotten"can apply to all three meanings and that is what actually happens with the passing of time. The miracles of Moses and Jesus have long been forgotten. We only believe in them because they are mentioned in the Quran. Allah indeed replaces one miracle with its equal or with one that is greater than it. Consider the following verse : "And We have sent Moses with Our Ayah’s (miracles or signs) to Pharaoh and his elders proclaiming : ‘I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe’. When he brought them our Ayah’s they laughed at him. Every Ayah We showed them was greater than the one that preceded it." 43:46-48
  6. Abrogation Vs. Allahs Perfection

    Atually no verse of the quran is abrogated, not even the verses related to prophibition of alcohol. The prophibition of alcohol was step by step, because it was meaningless to prohibit completely something on a fine morning since it required time for people to overcome the addiction and hense gradual prohibition. A modern day Islamic state can follow the same procedure to ban smoking. Firstly, creating awareness among the people about its harm, and then prohibiting at public places, then at offices, and then restrict selling, and then complete banning. It is this method Allah is teaching us through gradual prohibition of alcophol, which is very much practical. It is a wrong understanding that the verse that prohibits alcohol abrogates the earlier verses. Salaam
  7. I Have Some Questions On Islam! Please Answer!

    Brother, do you think that this is God's justice to punish someone? Who will volundarity enter hell if asked to do so? How can reluctance/ unwillingness of going to hell can be considered as disobedience. Very strange reasoning you are making.
  8. I Have Some Questions On Islam! Please Answer!

    It does not seem convincing enough.
  9. Salam

    salam to all