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  1. The Corrupted Bible?

    Today many Muslims say the Bible is corrupted. That is why they reject it as the word of God. The irony is Muhammad never said it was corrupted. In the OT, Gen 21:12 God said that Ishmael will be blessed, but the promise of God will only be fufulled through Isaac and Jacob's seed. Muslims tell me that the Bible is twisting things from it being Isaac instead of Ishmael. Since Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael, this raises questions regarding Muhammad's office. The Bible IMO, is a history book that contains God's word along with man's wanton acts and failures. If the Bible was looking to make Isaac's seed look good, it would have surely covered up the sins of David and all the sins of the prophets from Isaac's boodline, but it doesn't; so, why would the Bible tell a lie about about who the promise of God would be fufilled through? The Bible states that Satan is the father of lies. He can appear as an angel of light, and it is no wonder that we can have ministers that appear as ministers of righteousness to deceive even the elect. Jesus said in the last days many false christs and prophets will arise. and that we should beware. If we don't beware, we are sure to be deceived. I can say I have been deceived by a false prophet and ended up in a cult. I wouldn't trade my experience for a millon dollars, but I wouldn't pay a nickle to go through it again! These false prophets Jesus spoke of are able and were able to preform signs and wonders!
  2. Substitutionary Death Of Jesus?

    Why don't Muslims believe it was Jesus that died on the cross? If Allah made it look like Jesus died by putting someone in his place, isn't that a form of subsitutionary death? What is the purpose to decieve the Jews into believing this? As a result, it gave birth to Christianity. I know the Bible doesn't carry much weight in Islam, but in it, Jesus predicted His own death and resurrection (Matthew 16:21- Luke 18:31,32 -John 12:30-32) The Bible shows Jesus willingly went to the cross (Matthew 26:53 -Matthew 26:39 - John 10:18) NT description of his death (Matthew 27:32-50, (vs 35) - When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots. (vs 50) - And when Jesus had cried again with a loud voice he gave up his spirit. Luke 23:26-46, (vs 33) - When they came to the place called the Skull, there they crucified him, along with the criminals - one on his right, the other on his left. (vs 46) - Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit". When he had said this, he breathed his last. John 19:17-30 (vs 18) - Here they crucified him, and with him two others - one on each side, and Jesus in the middle. (vs 30) - When he had received the drink, Jesus said "It is finished.” With that he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. There are those that witnessed his death Matthew 27:54-56 - When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God." Many women were there watching from a distance... among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's sons. John 19:26 - When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son", and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." There are testimonies concerning his death after the ascension: Peter speaking to the crowd at the Jewish Temple: Acts 2:23 - "This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross." Paul speaking: Acts 13:29 - When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in the tomb. There are other historical evidences form Jewishs sources: Talmud, b. Sanhedrin 43a: On the eve of the Passover Yeshu [Jesus] was hanged [or crucified]. ... Since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the eve of the Passover. The Amoa "Ulla" (Ulla was a disciple of Youchanan and lived in Palestine at the end of the third century) adds: "And do you suppose that for (Yeshu of Nazareth - Jesus) there was any right of appeal? He was a beguiler, and the Merciful One hath said: "Thou shalt not spare neither shalt thou conceal him." It is otherwise with Yeshu, for He was near to the civil authority. Those that documented the Tamud were very serious about their work. They were Jesus who didn't believe in Jesus and certainily would not want to make it look like he died if he didn't; they didn't accept Jesus as a prophet let alone Messiah. IOW, they weren't Christians yet they documented Christ's crucifixion. Then we have evidence from Roman sources: Cornelius Tacitus in his Annals, xv. 44: Christus ... was executed at the hands of the procurator Pontious Pilate. Lucian of Samosata: (Christ was) the man who was crucified in Palestine. These men were professional historians. They researched their work before publishing it. They also documented Christ's crucifixion. Therefore, three types of witness all of whom are from the 1st or early 2nd century have been presented. Romans were very careful to eliminate that possibility. Roman law laid the death penalty on anyone who bungled an execution. Isn't this ample proof for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ? Here's a 4 part test for determining the credibility of witnesses. It is based on David Hume's criteria. 1) Do the witnesses contradict each other? 2) Are there a sufficient number of witnesses? 3) Were the witnesses truthful? 4) Were they non-prejudicial? I don't see any Biblical corruption reagarding Jesus' death: Part #1. The answer to this question is the witnesses do not contradict each other. The Christian, Roman, and Jewish witnesses all agree that Jesus was crucified. Part #2. There is indeed a sufficient number of witnesses. Several witnesses from Christian sources, and two witnesses from Roman and Jewish sources have been presented. There are actually more witnesses that could be mentioned, but this is enough. Part #3. The witnesses were truthful. There is no documented evidence contradicting what the witnesses presented. All of the early sources that mention Jesus' death, all state that He was crucified. Part #4. A case could be made for the Christian sources being prejudicial; however, they were Christians because they witnessed Christ's death AND CHRIST'S RESURRECTION. The Jewish and Roman witnesses were clearly not prejudicial. Now 600 hundred years later, Muhammad states it never happened!!??!!? Is there anything I can read to show me how Muslims support or prove that Jesus never died besides the Quran? Is there any historic evidence to contradict the historic proof I have demonstrated?
  3. Do Muslims believe that the God of the Bible is the same as Allah of the Quran? Do the Christians on the forum believe that they are the same? I do not believe they are the same.
  4. Muhammmad And Ayesha

    Do Muslims struggle with the fact that Muhammad married Ayesha as a child? Can someone correct the title of my topic to "Prophet Muhammad and Ayesha"? I spelled it wrong typo or does anyone know how I can edit it on my own?
  5. Muhammmad And Ayesha

    okay we're getting off topic enough
  6. Muhammmad And Ayesha

    Did you ever think that God has been speaking to you, but you are rejecting it because you're leaning to your own understanding?Hence he cannot show you more.
  7. Muhammmad And Ayesha

    I don't know, maybe your attitude isn't right or you're proud and wanting God to meet you on your terms instead of meeting Him on his terms or maybe he is preparing you for a revelation of Himself for a reason, but many of us have had encounters with God that we cannot deny just because others don't get it. You can always importune God. Do you remember the story of the unjust judge? The widow kept asking until the judge got weary and gave her what she wanted. You can pull that on God, but God resists the proud and sends them away empty but the humble get grace sooner or later. Sure God can reveal himself to you without your believeing first. He might honor the prayer of a believe on your behalf and show you something inspite of yourself. I hope you get what you want soon. I am not saying your proud and that is the problem I am saying I don't know, but it can be any one or none of these reasons. The Bible says the heavens delcare His glory. I wonder why that isn't enough for you? Or enough to get your faith primed to receive further revelation. Once God speaks to your heart you won't be the same on this forum. I can tell you that. Everyone will see the difference.
  8. Allah And Jehovah

    I used human attributes because I am human. Life on earth is a physical manifestation of what goes on in the spiritual realm. If there weren't a pararell then we wouldn't be able to relate to the spiritual realm at all. What does that have to do with me recognizing Jesus when he comes? What makes you say I would have a hard time? Everyone will recognize Him when He comes according to Scriptrure. Some will be see Him with joy and be caught up to meet Him in the air; others will be in shear terror at the sight, but all will bow and confess Jesus is Lord to the glory of God regardless of their eternal destination!
  9. A Question About Forced Conversion?

    I am not an expert and I don't know the details. I don't know if peaceful Muslims lie about their agendas, but I just believe that radical Islam gives me a true picture of Islam. I am just calling it the way i see it. I get this information from people who have witnessed it and know the laws described in Sharia. I am not paranoid about this, but I see it comming in the very near future such has our generation. Just like I see a judgment day comming for all mankind.
  10. The God Of The Bible And Allah In The Quran

    When someone is a witness to a crime and gives the police a description saying the man was well dressed, 6' tall, slim a beard and he was last seen in at WalMart with gun in his hand. When the police get to WalMart, they find a man that is 5' 8" with a gift in his hand without a beard and his family is with him. Could they be the same person? If the portrayal doesn't match the description, how can they then be the same person?
  11. Allah And Jehovah

    Look at it this way. If you were told there is a person that lives on the top floor who has a son that has a gift for you, but you must get it from his son that lives just to the right of him. So you go up to the top floor and a man opens the his door and asks who are you looking for? You tell him and the man says there is a man that lives to the left of me that has 3 daughters and no son and there is another man to the right of me that has no daughters or sons could they all be the same person? If the description doesn't match, how can it be the same person?
  12. What Parts Of Bible Is Not Truth?

    The same can be said of any book
  13. Allah And Jehovah

    That is fine, but I am not doing that. You are misunderstanding me. I was sincere asking you what Christians were you referring to? What Christians are saying differently than what I said? When you tell me who they are, then I can do the weeding, but how can you accuse me of weeding before it is done? It is written. "The spiritual man judges all things, but he is not judged of any man." If you are referring to Mormons they are not Biblical Christians nor are Jehovah Witnesses. Were you referring to someone else or them as Christians? I like for you to call me on what I say about Christian doctrine especially.
  14. Muhammmad And Ayesha

    This is true, but I wasn't referring to the things they witnessed, but did you ever think that they saw what they did because of their faith? It is written that faith is the substance of things hoped for and evidence of the things not seen. I believe God is preparing you for something through this frustrating trail. His delay is not a denial. Maybe you are just too analytical with your over average intelligence; maybe you could try thinking with your heart a little harder or for a change. I didn't say that. Lord, I ask you for Clown. You love him. I believe. Help his unbelief. Help him to call on your name and let your Spirit bear witness with his spirit that a connection has been made in Jesus name! Good night friend
  15. The God Of The Bible And Allah In The Quran

    What's so funny? You're the one who originally brought up that term not me. I am under the impression you're directing it toward me. If so, I hope you're wrong, but you might not be, but if you are, you have another problem. With that, I say good night!Peace in Truth.
  16. Muhammmad And Ayesha

    Clown, it wouldn't take any faith to believe what they witnessed. But how much faith do you think they needed to suffer the kind of persecution and death they were to go through for their faith in Christ? To whom much is given much is required. Clown, I will pray that God shows you a sign. If you really want it keep asking and you'll receive it. You are asking but can you do it with all your heart? God showed me, and it knock me for a spiritual loop.
  17. Allah And Jehovah

    I am not using those verses to prove any such a thing. I believe the Chruch of God consists of many different Christian denominations all over the globe. As far as those that wear denominational tags, they will simply fall off in heaven and burn off in hell if they end up or should I say down there.I hope we are clear on this now! According to Christianity and Islam, you're the one with the problem friend!
  18. Muhammmad And Ayesha

    Sad Clown this is not my theory, and the verse is not an interpretation of mine; it is simply self-explantory. Even after seeing miracles, you still need faith to trust God for your salvation. How much more blessed will you be if you believe without seeing anything?
  19. The God Of The Bible And Allah In The Quran

    I would guess that would depend on who you are referring to. As for me, I would like the Lord to decide what unjustified is in this case.
  20. The God Of The Bible And Allah In The Quran

    Nothing is to stop God from doing anything, but what evidence is there that he did use Allah as His name before the Quran came about?
  21. Allah And Jehovah

    I didn't say Muhammad wasn't a prophet nor will I say that Joseph Smith was not a prophet. Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith received relevation in as similar fashion. The Church of the Latter Day Saints is a cult. Islam is not. During pre-Islamic times, they believed in 360 deities.
  22. Allah And Jehovah

    Jesus is the one that said the way to destruction is board or wide and many go that way and that the way to life is straight and narrow and few find it. He said He is the only way. The Scriptures are not generous with different modes to heaven
  23. The God Of The Bible And Allah In The Quran

    Unity without truth profits nothing or no one!
  24. The God Of The Bible And Allah In The Quran

    I am not trying to look good. Here is something I found online:The New Testament has a biblical account of Arab conversion to Christianity recorded in the book of Acts. When St. Peter preaches to the people of Jerusalem, they ask, "And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God." (Acts 2:8, 11, Arab Christians are thus one of the oldest Christian communities. The first mention of Christianity in Arabia occurs in the New Testament as the Apostle Paul refers to his journey in Arabia following his conversion (Galatians 1: 15-17). Later, Eusebius of Caesarea discusses a bishop named Beryllus in the see of Bostra, the site of a synod c. 240 and two Councils of Arabia. Christians existed in Arab lands from the 3rd century onward.[16] The answer is obvious they would have referred to God as Allah, but that is not God's name nor is it the same God of Islam. The Arab Christians believed in the Trinity. Arab Muslims didn't believe in the Trinity. Jesus is not Allah's son to them and the holy Spririt is not God, but Jesus is Allah's son to the Arab Christians and the Holy Spirit was God. When I say they didn't refer to God has Allah, I meant in the Muslim sense and meaning of the term Allah not them using Allah for referring to God. I guess was not clear on that.
  25. Allah And Jehovah

    You are intitled to your interpretation of the Scriptures. I didn't write the Bible.