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  1. Bbc: We'll Mock Jesus But Not Muhammad

    I agree, whether it is anti-Christian, anti-Muslim or anti-Semetic. The hate speech in parts of the Arab and Muslim world in the media and in protests towards non-Muslims needs to be squashed too. The burning of Bibles and Crosses and symbols of Judaism is also unacceptable. This is a two-way street.
  2. Do the tombs of prophets Abraham and Ezekiel as well as those of other figures such as Rachel, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Mary (mother of Jesus) belong to Muslims or are they Jewish and Christian (that of mary)? Joseph's tomb was desecrated by Palestinians in 2000 as an insult to the Jews, yet Hanan Ashrawi claims that Jewish claim to the site is fabricated so who does it belong to? Did the palestinians desecrate a Muslim or Jewish site? I hope that the shrine of Ezekiel is not being Islamicised because he was a Jew and it has been preserved all this time by Jews. For the purposes of cultural and religious restoration, it should be left as is was. I don't think it is realistic for Muslims or Christians to claim it after Jews have been the ones preserving it all of this time. I believe they belong to all members of the Abrahamic faiths, however we have to respect history and the communities who have preserved these important sites. I mean, how would Muslims feel if the tomb of Prophet Muhammad was turned into a church or synagogue? We should all be respectful of one another and empathise. Jewish settlers break into 'Muslim' shrines to perform Talmudic rituals: http://www.middleeas...almudic-rituals Does anyone know which shrines these are? http://www.thejc.com...ons-jewish-past Is this ethical on a religious and archeological basis?
  3. Posted GMT 2-29-2012 22:56:9 (AINA) -- Much has been made of the recent discovery in Turkey of a Bible purported to be written in the Aramaic language, 1,500 years ago. The Muslim media, as well as Western media outlets, quickly pounced on this, claiming this Bible contains verses attributed to Jesus Christ, in which Christ predicts the coming of Muhammad. No media outlet has published a facsimile of these verses. This "Bible" is written on leather in gold letters. The picture of the front cover show inscriptions in Aramaic and a picture of a cross. For any native speaker of Modern Assyrian (also known as neo-Aramaic), and that would be your average Assyrian today, the inscription is easily read. The bottom inscription, which is the most clearly visible from the published photos, says the following: Transliteration: b-shimmit maran paish kteewa aha ktawa al idateh d-rabbaneh d-dera illaya b-ninweh b'sheeta d-alpa w-khamshamma d-maran Translation: In the name of our Lord, this book is written on the hands of the monks of the high monastery in Nineveh, in the 1,500th year of our Lord. Nineveh is the ancient Assyrian capital and is located in present-day north Iraq, near Mosul. There are spelling errors that are immediately noticeable. The first word, b'shimmit maran ("in the name of our Lord"), is erroneously spelled with a 't' instead of a 'd'. The 'd' in Assyrian is the genitive, and it prefixes the word that follows. It should read b-shimma d-maran, not b-shimmit maran (note, the last word of the sentence is correctly spelled d-maran ("of our Lord")). The first word also contains another spelling error. The correct spelling for "name" in Assyrian is ashma, with the initial 'a' being silent. Therefore, when correctly spelled, 'in the name of our Lord" should be written as b-ashma d-maran. The word idateh is misspelled, it should end with an 'a', idata. Also the phrase al idateh ("on the hands") is incorrect, it should read b-idata ("by the hands"). The bottom sentence uses the word ktawa ("book") to refer to the book, but in Assyrian the Bible is never referred to as a "book." One says awreta (Old Testament), khdatta (New Testament), or ktawa qaddeesha (holy book). Given this, since no one has seen the inside of this "Bible," we cannot be sure if it is in fact a Bible. Most significantly, this writing is in Modern Assyrian, which was standardized in the 1840s. The first bible in Modern Assyrian was produced in 1848. If this book were written in 1500 A.D. it should have been written in Classical Assyrian. It is highly unlikely for monks to make such elementary mistakes. It remains to be seen whether this book is a forgery, or even what kind of book it is. The bottom inscription also says the book was written in 1500 A.D.. If the book does contain verses predicting the coming of Muhammad, it is no great accomplishment to predict something 870 years after the fact, since Muhammad founded Islam in 630 A.D.. Most media outlets, as well as Muslim and Christian outlets, lead the story with headlines pronouncing "1500 year old Bible predicts the coming of Muhammad" -- without any evidence to support this. For Muslims, the implications of the headlines are desirable, that Jesus Christ is a Prophet, just like Muhammad, and not the Son of God. According to Al Bawaba, the Turkish culture and tourism minister, Ertugrul Gunay, said "In line with Islamic belief, the Gospel [this Bible] treats Jesus as a human being and not a God. It rejects the ideas of the Holy Trinity and the Crucifixion and reveals that Jesus predicted the coming of the Prophet Mohammed." Commenting on the errors in the book, Al Bawaba says in another article: For example, the book says that there are nine heavens and that the tenth is paradise while in Quran they are seven only and claims that Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus without any pain while the Quran story says she got labor pains. According to the gospel, Jesus said to Jewish priests that he is not the Messiah and that the Messiah is Mohammed. This means a denial of the existence of a Messiah, who is in fact Jesus Christ, and makes Jesus and Mohammed seem like they are one and the same person. The book also contains information that lack historical credibility like the presence of three armies, each made up of 200,000 soldiers, in Palestine whereas the entire population of Palestine 2,000 years ago did not even reach 200,000. In addition, Palestine was occupied by the Romans at the time and it is impossible that Palestine was allowed to have any army or armies of its own. The last sentence in chapter 217 says that 100 pounds of stones were placed on Christ's body. This confirms that the gospel was written quite recently because the first to use the pound as a unit of weight was the Ottomans in their experiments with Italy and Spain and it was never known during the time of Jesus. Chapter 20 also stated that the cities of Jerusalem and Nazareth are sea ports. This same article ends with "According to many studies, the gospel attributed to St. Barnabas was written by a European Jew in the Middle Ages who was quite familiar with the Quran and the Gospels. He, thus, mixed facts from here and there and his intentions remain unknown." But despite the availability of information on this "Bible," most media outlets, Muslims, liberal and secular organizations have portrayed this discovery as something that undermines Christianity, ignoring the many problems with this book and presenting it as virtual fact. In fact, in their zeal to support the anti-Christian narrative, they have withheld or suppressed information questioning the authenticity of this book. For these organizations and individuals, this is another tool in their arsenal for the attack on the foundations of Christian doctrine. By Peter BetBasoo and Ashur Giwargis © 2012, Assyrian International News Agency. All Rights Reserved. http://www.aina.org/news/2012022916569.htm If it was written in the "1500th year of our Lord" (1500 A.D.) how can it be 1500 years old? It is sad that some will commit fraud just to defame one religion to try to win converts through such deceptive means. Muslims should condemn such forgeries because they only make Muslims look bad and they are harmful to non-Muslims who may convert under such false 'evidence' then come out of Islam or become atheists and Islamphobes.
  4. Bbc: We'll Mock Jesus But Not Muhammad

    So do you then think its okay that people can go around mocking and insulting others? Why should people not respond to when they are mocked or insulted? No I do not think that its okay to mock or insult others. However, there is a wrong way to respond to insults. Like after the Pastor Jones Quran burning, he was not the one killed, innocent U.N. workers were. Muslims who react violently often target any westerner or christian they can find. Is this the right way to react in your opinion? Muslims should not react violently, rather take a chill pill and turn the other cheek. Jews, Christians, Buddhists and others do it all the time. When people react violently to such things they only give Islam a bad image.
  5. Is This Food Forbidden?

    Hello If a Jew were to invoke the name Yahweh or Hashem over food, would Muslims be allowed to eat it or is it forbidden since they used a name other than Allah?
  6. Bbc: We'll Mock Jesus But Not Muhammad

    I agree, mocking someone is not hate speech. I do also agree that the media should be more sensitive and Muslims should take a chill pill if and when their religion gets mocked or insulted.
  7. The head of the BBC, Mark Thompson, has admitted that the broadcaster would never mock Mohammed like it mocks Jesus. He justified the astonishing admission of religious bias by suggesting that mocking Mohammed might have the “emotional force” of “grotesque child pornography”. But Jesus is fair game because, he said, Christianity has broad shoulders and fewer ties to ethnicity. Bias Mr Thompson says the BBC would never have broadcast Jerry Springer The Opera – a controversial musical that mocked Jesus – if its target had been Mohammed. He made the remarks in an interview for a research project at the University of Oxford. Mr Thompson said: “The point is that for a Muslim, a depiction, particularly a comic or demeaning depiction, of the Prophet Mohammed might have the emotional force of a piece of grotesque child pornography.” Insults A BBC spokesman was unavailable for comment. Last year former BBC news anchor Peter Sissons said Christians are “fair game” for insults at the corporation, whilst Muslims must not be offended. Mr Sissons, whose memoirs were serialised in the Daily Mail, said: “Islam must not be offended at any price, although Christians are fair game because they do nothing about it if they are offended.” The former presenter also said that staff damage their careers if they don’t follow the BBC’s mindset. http://www.christian.org.uk/news/well-mock-jesus-but-not-mohammed-says-bbc-boss/ What does this say about freedom of expression, Western media, Muslims, and Christians?
  8. Using The Name Yhwh In Islam

    Thank you, Richard. I was hoping for an Islamic perspective as well.
  9. Female Prophets

    Women during their menses according to the Torah are NOT "unclean"! "Impure" and "unclean" are bad (and sexist) translations of Tuma: you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetaish(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/atr/Niddah_Why.html?catid=911159 I know that sex is prohibited when a woman has her menses, but I don't think that personal prayer is.
  10. Using The Name Yhwh In Islam

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  11. Woman Prophet?

    Thanks for the link Lost in Paradise. I don't agree with Redeem's views and I consider them to be slightly sexist. I understand that these societies were patriarchal - as were the israelites - but to totally deny that there ever were female prophets goes against known history, God's word and logic. I've discussed the female prophets of the Bible here: you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetgawaher(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/topic/738101-female-prophets/
  12. Female Prophets

    My point was to give you an opportunity to read the text concerning Debora. It seems as if the Bible is "corrupt" when it is convenient. No one brings that line when they talk about Moses' war. Debora did. The fourth of the judges who ruled over the Jewish people after the death of Joshua, was not a man, but a woman, one of the most famous of all times, the Prophetess Deborah. Before her were Othniel, Ehud and Shamgar, the latter only for a short time. After Ehud's death the Jews forsook the ways of the Torah and adopted many of the idols of the people about them. As a consequence G-d delivered them into the hands of the King of Canaan, Jabin, whose royal residence was the city of Hazor. His cruel general Sisera oppressed the Jews for twenty years. Sisera possessed a well-trained army of cavalry. He also bad iron chariots that were the "tanks" of those days. The Jews suffered terribly under the cruel rule of Sisera, and in great despair cried unto G-d. It was then that G-d sent them Deborah the Prophetess. She was one of the seven women prophetesses whose prophecies are recorded in the Bible. Deborah lived in the Mountains of Ephraim, between Ramah and Beth-El. In the midst of the sin and idolatry, Deborah remained true to G-d and His Torah. She was wise and G-d fearing, and the people flocked to her for advice and help. Deborah held court beneath a palm-tree, in the open air. There, where everyone could hear her, she warned the Jewish people and urged them to leave their evil ways and return to G-d. The entire Jewish nation respected this great prophetess. Deborah was the wife of a man whose name was Lapidoth, which means "torches." Our sages tell us, that at the advice of his wife he furnished large wicks and oil for the lights of the sanctuary of Shiloh, which burned like torches. Thus, our Sages say, was the effect of this holy woman on everyone around her: spreading the light of Torah. Similarly our Sages explain that she sat under a palm-tree to show to the world that the Jewish people was all united and turning their eyes again to G-d, like the leaves of the palm turn upward together, towards heaven. It was fortunate that Deborah had such a tremendous influence. For even the strongest and noblest of the men of those days had given up hope of turning the tide against the Canaanites' oppression and idolatry. When Deborah felt that she had helped the people to return to G-d, she sent for Barak, the son of Abinoam. Some say he was her husband, and that "Barak," meaning lighting, was another name for "Lapidoth." At any rate, Barak was the most influential man in israel then, and Deborah asked him to raise an army of ten thousand troops from the tribes of Naphtali and Zebulun, and gather them at the foot of mount Tabor, in the Plains of Esdrealon. With this army he was to attack the Canaanite oppressors. Barak refused to undertake this task by himself, knowing well that only the help of G-d and the inspiration of the prophetess Deborah could succeed in the hopeless odds against the iron chariots and cavalry of Sisera. Deborah agreed to accompany him, but she warned him that although he would gain victory, the glory would not be his, but a woman's. Sisera learned of Barak's approach and led his huge army against the Jews. Naturally, the well-trained and armored Canaanite troops had no difficulty at first. They quickly gained the upper hand. But suddenly G-d threw confusion into their ranks. Rains turned the battlefield into mud, and the chariots were stuck. Terrified by the sudden turn of events, the mighty warriors of Sisera fled in all directions. The overjoyed Jewish troops pursued them to the very hometown of Sisera, Charosheth, and not a single soldier of the Canaanites escaped. When Sisera realized his defeat, he quickly descended from his chariot and fled on foot. Seeking a place to hide, he chanced upon the tent of Heber the Kenite, who was a descendant of Jethro, the father-in-law of Moses. Heber had been on good terms with Jabin, the king of Hazor, the ruler of the Canaanites, and Sisera was only too happy to accept the invitation of Jael, Heber's wife, to bide him in the house until the Jewish army would have passed. Jael gave him food and drink and, exhausted from the battle, Sisera soon fell into a heavy slumber. Seeing this, the brave Jael decided to make Sisera pay for all the cruelties he had committed against the Jewish people. Cautiously approaching the sleeping warrior, she drove a long nail, a tent-pin, through his temple, thus putting an end to the hated oppressor. In the meantime Barak had arrived at the house of Heber, in hot pursuit of Sisera. Jael came out to meet him and greeted him with these words: "Come, and I will show thee the man whom thou seekest." She then led Barak into the tent, and there lay the cruel general, dead. Thus Deborah's predictions came true: the highest glory of the victory belonged to a woman, not to Barak, and Deborah herself glorified the brave Jael in the immortal "Song of Deborah." you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetchabad(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/library/article_cdo/aid/112050/jewish/The-Prophetess-Deborah.htm
  13. The Problem Of Evil

    Very few sermons in our Western synagogues and churches would include the passage "I [God] form the light and create darkness, I make peace and I create evil, I am the LORD who does all of these" (Isaiah 45:7) as our Western mind sees these two forces as opposing opposites while the Eastern mind sees them both as equals and necessary for perfect balance. In the Western mind, God is only good and therefore unable to create evil. The Eastern mind sees God as a perfect balance of all things including good (tov in Hebrew) and evil (ra in Hebrew). It should be noted that the English word "evil" has no Ancient Hebrew equivelant, while most English translations will use the word "evil" it is usually the Hebrew word "ra" which simply means "bad". In the Ancient Hebrew mind there is no such thing as an "evil" person or thing. To understand the words "good" and "bad" from a more Hebraic understanding these words should be understood as "functional" and "dysfunctional". God is both functional (such as seen in the Creation story of Genesis one) as well as dysfunctional (such as the destruction of the flood). Our western mind classifies all things in two categories, either it is "good" or it is "bad". One is to be sought, cherished and protected, the other is to be rejected, spurned and discarded. Let us take light and darkness as an example. We see light as good and darkness as bad. The idea of light brings to mind such things as God, truth and love. Darkness on the other hand invokes Satan, lies and hate. To the Orientals, including the Hebrews, both are equally necessary as one cannot exist without the other. In the Bible God is seen as a God of light as well as darkness “And the people stood at a distance and Moses approached the heavy darkness where God was.” (Exodus 20:21). If you stare at the sun, which is pure light, what happens? You become blind. If you are standing in a sealed room with no light, what happens? You are again blind. Therefore, both light and darkness are bad and yet, both are good. In order to see we must block out some of the light as well as some of the darkness. The two poles of a magnet are north and south. These two poles create balance, they are not morally good or bad, but necessary ingredients of physics that compliment each other. Good and bad are more like the north and south poles of a magnet than our Western conception of good and bad. Can good exist without the bad? Absolutely not, how could you judge something to be good if you cannot compare it to something bad? The same is true for all other concepts. Cold cannot exist without heat, or short without tall, far without near, or large without small. Our western mind usually ignores these extremes and seeks to always find the "good" or the “bad”. The Eastern mind is continually seeking both the "good" and the "bad" in order to find the balance between the two. Even Solomon recognized this when he said “Do not be overly righteous” (Ecclesiastes 7:16). Throughout the scriptures this search for balance is found, yet ignored by Westerners who do not understand the significance of balance. [using large font size is not allowed] you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetancient-hebrew(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/12_goodbad.html
  14. Female Prophets

    I disagree. Deborah is an example. you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_rinahshal.tripod(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/id146.html you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetmyjewishlearning(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/texts/Bible/Prophets/Former_Prophets/Book_of_Judges/Deborah.shtml
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