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  1. Is It Allowed To Impose Sharia On Non-muslims?

    I was referring to the other societies that surrounded them after they conquered the land. "When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt" (Lev 19:33-34). But as for those that were fought, it was a select group that were practicing incest, bestiality, violence....If people grow up in a culture that accepts things like murder and rape, very few will listen to their conscience and go against what everyone else says. Children learn wrong things from their parents and the surrounding culture; as they mature, they become part of the culture and perpetuate it by participating in it and passing on its teachings to their children. However, those who were righteous were spared from the destruction. In the destruction of Jericho, Rahab and her family were spared because she feared God and chose to help the israelites (Josh 2:1-21, 6:22-25). Before the Amalekites were destroyed, their righteous neighbors were warned to move away (1 Sam 15:5-6). God promised not to destroy Sodom if there were but ten righteous people in the city (Gen 18:22-32), and in a later judgment against Jerusalem, promised to forgive the city if one righteous person was found in it (Jer 5:1). Small children did not share the guilt of their parents. The Bible describes small children as not knowing right from wrong (Is 7:15-16), and in some cases, this meant that they were spared the earthly punishment their elders received. For example, when the israelites sinned during their wanderings in the desert, God forbid the adults from entering the promised land, but gave it to their children who were too young to be held responsible (Dt 1:34-39). The Bible also clearly teaches that one person is not held guilty for another's sin (Ezek 18). Therefore, the children who were killed would not face the same punishment in the afterlife as their parents. Why were the children killed, if they weren't guilty? Apparently, they were considered as morally neutral, since they weren't yet old enough to be held accountable or to have done much right or wrong. While not as corrupt as their parents, they were part of the society that was judged, and shared its earthly (though not its eternal) fate. (Conversely, the family of a righteous person sometimes shared their relative's protection from earthly destruction; see Josh 6:22-25, Gen 19:12-13.) Often, when someone did something wrong and was punished while on earth, only the evildoer themselves was punished. Unlike us, God knows the future. God knew what the results would be if israel did not completely eradicate the Amalekites. If israel did not carry out God’s orders, the Amalekites would come back to “haunt†the israelites again and again. Saul claimed to have killed everyone but the Amalekite king Agag (1 Samuel 15:20). Obviously Saul was lying…just a couple of decades later there were enough Amalekites to take David and his men’s families captive (1 Samuel 30:1-2). After David and his men attacked the Amalekites and rescued their families, 400 Amalekites escaped. If Saul had fulfilled what God had commanded him, this never would have occurred. Several hundred years later, a descendant of Agag, Haman, tried to have the entire Jewish people exterminated (see the book of Esther). So, Saul’s incomplete obedience almost resulted in israel’s destruction. God knew this would occur, so He ordered the extermination of the Amalekites ahead of time. In regard to the Canaanites, God commanded, “However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God†(Deuteronomy 20:16-18). The israelites failed in this mission as well, and exactly what God said would happen occurred (Judges 2:1-3; 1 Kings 11:5; 14:24; 2 Kings 16:3-4). God did not order the extermination of these people to be cruel, but rather to prevent even greater evil from occurring in the future.
  2. Polygamy

    What social problem? If women are empowered to take care of themselves, they don't need a man to provide for them. Most women DONT want to share a husband. If the man/woman ratio is so low that they decide to compromise, it is their choice. It does not change the fact that God instated monogamy.
  3. Is It Allowed To Impose Sharia On Non-muslims?

    They did not enforce Judaism on the pagan nations that surrounded them.
  4. Is It Allowed To Impose Sharia On Non-muslims?

    Wow!!!! This is quite a departure from: "Do to others as you would have them do unto you." "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." Ecclesiastes 5:8 ESV If you see in a province the oppression of the poor and the violation of justice and righteousness, do not be amazed at the matter, for the high official is watched by a higher, and there are yet higher ones over them. Psalm 72:14 ESV From oppression and violence he redeems their life, and precious is their blood in his sight. Micah 2:1-3 ESV Woe to those who devise wickedness and work evil on their beds! When the morning dawns, they perform it, because it is in the power of their hand. They covet fields and seize them, and houses, and take them away; they oppress a man and his house, a man and his inheritance. Therefore thus says the Lord: behold, against this family I am devising disaster, from which you cannot remove your necks, and you shall not walk haughtily, for it will be a time of disaster. Exodus 22:21 “You shall not wrong a foreigner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt." Zechariah 7:10 ESV Do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the alien, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.â€
  5. Suicide

    Divorce him and save your self.
  6. Who Is The Spirit Of Truth?

    It must have posted my comment twice, broken the second time. Words in Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek can be considered masculine/feminine - he/she. During the time of Jesus, Aramaic was commonly spoken, not Hebrew. The Aramaic Bible is called the Peshitta.
  7. Is It Allowed To Impose Sharia On Non-muslims?

    Whooooooa!!!!!!!!!!!! That's something else...
  8. When Did Green Become The Color Of Islam?

    black complexion is associated with evil or hell. it is racial. white complexion is associated with heaven and purity. it is racial. arabs have preferred lighter skin even before Islam.
  9. Polygamy

    They made polygamy later. God made and inteded monogamy. Wesley's points are valid. You should educate yourself about other religions before you sit on a high horse.
  10. Polygamy

    they made polygamy, you are right. But if it is so right and ideal then surely God would have created that from the beginning... They were only human as I am - we all make mistakes. The Bible says that God intended that a man should leave his parents, marry his wife (singular) and the two become one. Jesus reiterated this. Did you even read the rest of my post?
  11. Polygamy

    they made polygamy, you are right. But if it is so right and ideal then surely God would have created that from the beginning... They were only human as I am - we all make mistakes. The Bible says that God intended that a man should leave his parents, marry his wife (singular) and the two become one. Jesus reiterated this. Did you even read the rest of my post?
  12. Is It Allowed To Impose Sharia On Non-muslims?

    Thanks to Younes and Ahmad for their replies. Can both provide verses and historical trends to support their view? Ahmad, if it is wrong, then why did so many Muslim invaders and Caliphs invade non-Muslim lands and enforce sharia?
  13. Is It Allowed To Impose Sharia On Non-muslims?

    Ok, I remember a verse where it says non-Muslims must accept Islam or be subdued and pay jizya or fight or die. So if they refuse sharia - and jizya which is allowed in sharia - can they be fought or enslaved?
  14. Is It Allowed To Impose Sharia On Non-muslims?

    Really? That's quite sad actually. Islam ain't for me! :sl: What happens if non-Muslims refuse sharia when Muslims try to impose it on them?
  15. Polygamy

    I already told you, Adama and Eve: New International Version (©1984) For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. New Living Translation (©2007) This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one. Jesus quoted this scripture when he spoke about marriage. God created one man and one woman... Polygamy was a later occurance. "Let every man have his own wife, and every woman have her own husband" (I Corinthians 7:2) Monogamy the Jewish Ideal. In Judaism the Law tolerated though it did not enact polygamy; but custom stood higher than the Law. From the period of the return from the Babylonian Exile, monogamy became the ideal and the custom of Jewish married life. That monogamy was the ideal may be seen from several facts. Not only does the narrative of Genesis, containing the story of the first man and woman, point to monogamy, but Gen. ii. 24 is best explained in the same sense. So, too, in the story of the Flood, in which the restoration of the human race is depicted, the monogamous principle is assumed. Also the polygamous marriages of some of the patriarchs are felt by the narrator (J) to need excuse and apology, as being infringements of a current monogamous ideal Even more unmistakable is the monogamous ideal displayed in the Wisdom literature. The "Golden A B C of the Perfect Wife" in Prov. xxxi. 10-31 is certainly monogamous; in fact, throughout the Book of Proverbs "monogamy is assumed" (Toy, "Proverbs," p. xii.; comp. Cheyne, "Job and Solomon," p. 136). Ben Sira, moreover, as well as Tobit, confirms this conclusion (comp. History of Susanna 23, 69), though, while Ben Sira's view of woman is lower on the whole than that of the canonical Proverbs, Tobit's is quite as high as the highest ideal. Job is monogamous. So is the Song of Solomon. Harper gives a most convincing argument in this sense in his edition of the Song of Solomon (Cambridge, 1902; comp. especially pp. xxxi. and xxxiv.). From another side the monogamous ideal is illustrated by the prophetic use of marriage as typical of the relation between God and israel. In this sense monogamy becomes the corollary of the divine Unity (comp. Hamburger, "R. B. T." i., s.v. "Vielweiberei"). It is a commonplace of prophetic imageryto describe God as the husband and israel as the bride (comp. Hosea, passim; the exquisite passage Jer. ii. 2; also ib. iii. 14, xxxi. 32), in contrast to idolatry, which is typical of impure married life (Isa. liv. 5, and many other passages). Infidelity toward God is expressed under the figure of whoredom (see Driver on Deut. xxxi. 16). The same figure of the relation of God to israel passed over to the later Judaism; and a similar figure is prominent in Christianity also.
  16. Polygamy

    Perhaps in the poorer countries there is a higher death rate for women giving birth??? Honor killings??? I'm speculating here...
  17. Polygamy

    Your statement was: If Allaah preferred that we have a single wife then why did the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) take more than one wife? I answered the question as to the Jewish and Christian history and stance on polygamy. Monogamy is seen as the ideal for mankind.
  18. Is It Allowed To Impose Sharia On Non-muslims?

    Ahmad 73, as for prayer in public, I know that in many Muslim 'sharia' states like Saudi Arabia and UAE, it is illegal for non-Muslims to pray in public. Is this right according to Sharia? Tahrir square and Sharia are different things. Boko Haram is an extremist group and they have said that they want to impose Sharia. Whether you choose to deny that fact because the media can't be trusted is your right. Your comments haven't answered my question. Is it right for a Muslim person/country/caliph to impose sharia on non-Muslims? A simple yes or no answer will do. No one has answered that yet. Thank you.
  19. Polygamy

    If God preferred polygamy, why did he only create one wife for Adam?
  20. Is It Allowed To Impose Sharia On Non-muslims?

    Let me revise please. Is it OK for UK to impose their traffic laws on Saudi Arabia? Is it OK for a Saudi living in the UK to impose the Saudi traffic laws in the UK?
  21. The Gospel Of Barnabas

    The language is inconsistent with 1st century Jewish/Christian Hebrew/Greek writing. It also contains many errors - geographical, historical, that Barnabas would not have gotten wrong. It also claims that Jesus denied being the Messiah (which the Quran affirms) and claims Muhammad is the Messiah. It denounces polygamy which the Quran allows... It's a really bad fake, only ignorant people support it.
  22. Praying For Non-muslims

    Neither do I. I'd still like the link to the Coptic Pope's comment. The article you referred to was written by a Canadian Evangelical....
  23. Is It Allowed To Impose Sharia On Non-muslims?

    Is it OK for UK to impose their traffic laws on Saudi Arabia? Is it OK for a Saudi to impose their traffic laws in the UK?
  24. Is It Allowed To Impose Sharia On Non-muslims?

    Okay, I understand being in a foreign land and conforming to its rules. But what about when other people force their rules upon others? Is it permissible to make a non-Muslim person/country conform to sharia? Thanks for your response?
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