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  1. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Barnabas: An Encouraging Early Church LeaderActs presents the evangelizing apostle and church leader Barnabas as a model of integrity and character. Calling him a good man (Acts 11:24), a prophet and teacher (13:1), an apostle (14:14) and one through whom God worked miracles (15:12), Acts loads him with accolades. Acts recounts the times he faced persecution (13:45; 14:19) and risked his life for the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (15:26). Barnabas believed Saul truly had been converted (9:27), saw the potential of his kinsman John Mark (12:25), and championed them both at different times (11:25-26; 15:36-41). 1 Corinthians 9:6 affirms his character by noting he worked while serving congregations in order not to burden them. The apostles nicknamed him Barnabas, Son of Encouragement (4:36), and it seems like he earned it! Yet despite the many times Barnabas appears in the Biblical text, he lacks the scholarly attention accorded to his evangelist and writing colleague, Saul/Paul. According to early traditions that are not recorded in the Bible, Barnabas was taught by Gamaliel and became a follower of Jesus. Among his first converts was Mary, his kinswoman and John Mark’s mother. Barnabas accompanied Jesus during his travels in Galilee and Jesus chose him as one of the Seventy Apostles. Evidently he tried to convert Saul, also Gamaliel’s pupil, but Saul rejected his teaching and chose instead to persecute the new believers.
  2. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Christianity's Unsolved Mystery - The Trinity in God The great unsolved mystery in the Christian Church has always been the nature of the Divine Trinity. Many leaders in the Church have warned against trying to understand or solve this great mystery; yet there is no authority in the Word of God for taking this point of view. The whole teaching of the Gospels is to search for light and understanding in regard to the things of God.
  3. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Why can't theologians explain this doctrine? By no means are theologians' explanations of the Trinity doctrine clear. Religious writer A.W. Tozer, in his book The Knowledge of the Holy, states that the Trinity is an "incomprehensible mystery" and that attempts to understand it "must remain forever futile." He admits that churches, "without pretending to understand," have nevertheless continued to teach this doctrine (1961, pp. 17-18). He then remarkably concludes, "The fact that it cannot be satisfactorily explained, instead of being against it, is in its favor" (p. 23). Why do even those who believe in the Trinity find it so difficult to explain? The answer is simple yet shocking: It's because the Bible does not teach it! One cannot prove or explain something from the Bible that is not biblical! The Bible is our only reliable source of divine revelation. And the truth, as we will see, is that the Trinity concept simply is not part of God's revelation to humankind. Surprising admissions that the Trinity isn't in the Bible! Notice these admissions from a number of reputable sources and authors who, while themselves affirming the Trinity, acknowledge that the word "Trinity" and the doctrine is not found in the Bible. The HarperCollins Bible Dictionary tells us, "The formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the NT [New Testament]" (Paul Achtemeier, editor, 1996, "Trinity"). Historian and science fiction writer H.G. Wells, in his noted work The Outline of History, points out, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity—at any rate from him" (1920, Vol. 2, p. 499).
  4. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Neither a pope's nor a priest's opinion changes the Gospel Jesus spoke, how about the author of the Bible verses below that the number of years of famine is not the same? THE PLAGUE: II SAMUEL 24:13 13 So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him,, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? In CHRONICALES 21:11 11 So Gad came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, choose thee 12 Either three years' famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; What did the Lord decree 3 years famine or 7 years?
  5. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Read : The Gospel of Barnabas, Edited and Translated from the Italian Ms. In the Imperial Library at Vienna by Lonsdale and Laura Ragg : Oxford at the Clarendon Press
  6. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    God or the Lord, made the universe and everything in it. I think this is true. Now, if Jesus is God, He is the creator of the universe. As i have said that Jesus is a prophet and a servant of God. FATHER In the Christian theology, He is known as the Creator of the Universe. THE SON He is believed to be to be an incarnation of the invisible God in the form of a man, (i.e., Jesus Christ) or a second person in the Trinity. He is known as savior of all sinners, and "died on the Cross." SPIRIT It is commonly rationalized as a force descended from above as appeared in the baptism of Jesus on the Jordan river and on the Day of Pentecost. The first of the twelve commandments it contains begins: "First of all, believe that God is one and that He created all things and organized them, and out of what of what did not exist made all things to be, and He contains all things but alone is Himself uncontained.". Quoted from the Gospel of Barnabas (Chapter 96) Jesus answered : "....Satan will raise again this accursed sedition, by making the impious believe that I am God and son of God, whence my words and my doctrine shall be contaminated, insomuch that scarcely shall there remain thirty faithful ones:..." It is clear that only those showing lack of religious respect or not showing due reverence to God believe that Jesus is God and a son of God.
  7. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Brother Aligarr, I am quoting of what you have said : I do have to laugh however at you accentuating the Pope's letter to Fr. Fulgenio's remark. This is just a man, just like you and I. In fact some of the early Popes were quite scurrilous. So if this is the case that the Popes were quite scurrilous so therefore they are in ways thought to be evil or immoral.
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    This is also your reasoning and opinion.
  9. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Jesus is not the son of God, but a servant of God.
  10. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    The books (i.e, Gospels) in which Jesus' teaching had been written were either completely destroyed, suppressed, or altered in order to avoid any blatant contradictions with the trinitarian doctrine. There was a shift in emphasis from what the Scriptures said to the leaders of the Church said. The doctrine, it was asserted, was based on the special revelation made to the Church, called "Bride of Jesus.". Thus, Fr. Fulgenio was reprimanded by the Pope in a letter which said, "Preaching of the Scriptures is a suspicious thing. He who adheres to the Scriptures will ruin the Catholic faith." In his next letter he was more explicit, warning against too much emphasis on scriptures, stating, "....is a book, which, if anyone adheres to it, he will quite destroy the Catholic Church." (Quoted in John Tolands Tetradymus.)
  11. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Paul justified his new doctrine with this analogy. Romans 7:1-4 "Know you not, brethren [for I speak to those who know the law], that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives; but if the husband dies, she is replaced from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit unto God." This analogy indicates that Paul made distinction between Jesus and "Christ." According to his reasoning, the law which had bound Jesus and his followers wa no longer applicable since Jesus had died. Now they were longer "married" to Jesus but to Christ, who had brought another law. It was therefore necessary to follow Christ and not Jesus, and anyone who held to Jesus' teaching had gone astray. It was with such reasoning that he assembled his doctrine of redemption and atonement, a theory which Jesus had certainly never taught. But it was a great success since, in so many words, it allowed a man could do whatever he wanted and not face the consequences of his actions provided he said at the end of the day, "I believe in Christ." The basic premise on which Paul's reasoning was based, however, is false, since Jesus was neither crucified nor resurrected. His doctrine of redemption and atonement were fallacious. Paul's reasoning not only resulted in the distortion of what Jesus had taught but also of who Jesus actually was. The imaginary figure of Christ who apparently had the power to annul what Jesus had previously taught could not ordinary mortal and inevitably became confused with God; to many, Christ became God. The shift of emphasis from the human prophet Jesus, to the image of a divine Christ enabled intellectuals in Greece and Rome to assimilate into their own philosophies what Paul and his supporters were preaching. Their view of existence was a tripartite one. With "God the Father" and Christ as "God the son," the Pauline doctrine required only inclusion of the "Holy Spirit" to have a comparable trinity. With the passage of time these two philosophies merged into one. The Greek language itself hindered expression, restricting and limiting meaning. The language was neither rich or flexible enough to express exactly what Jesus had said, so it needed to be reworded. When the Hebrew gospels were translated into Greek, those limitations were made permanent, especially after nearly all the gospels in Hebrew were destroyed.
  12. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    It is from this perspective that the history of Christianity should be viewed. It began with the belief in one God. The article of faith was, "I believe in God, the Almighty." Between 180 and 210 AD the word "Father" was added before "Almighty". Number of Church leaders regarded it an unthinkable sacrilege to add or subtract any words in the Scriptures. The result was a confusion that led man away from reason.
  13. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    The doctrine caused much confusion among men, many of whom were told to believe without trying to understand it; yet, some people tried to prove and explain it intellectually. Broadly speaking, three schools of thought developed. The first is associated with St, Augustine, who lived in the 4th century and was of the view that the doctrine could not be proven but could be illustrated. St. Victor, who lived in the 12th century, believed that the doctrine could be demonstrated and illustrated. The 14th century saw the growth of the third school, which taught that the doctrine of trinity could be neither illustrated nor proven, but should be blindly accepted and believed. The tendency towards over-intellectualizing led to the formulation of the of the doctrine of trinity and the deification of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Confusion and schism were inevitable when men lost sight of the unity of existence. This understanding is essential to anyone who wants to know who Jesus was and what he really taught. When people no longer have recourse to the teachings and examples of a prophet, they are in loss--whether they believe in the doctrine of trinity or vocally affirm divine unity. They laid great stress on the unity of God as expressed in the original teachings of Jesus and asserted that although he was a prophet. In the first century after the disappearance of Jesus, those who followed him continued to affirm the oneness of God. This illustrated in the Shepherd of Hermas, written in about 90 AD and once regarded as a book of revelation by the Church.
  14. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Keep Faith all pure and undefiled. There is God, the Almighty, the One and Only. Eternal, Free of all needs; on Whom Depend, to Whom go back, all things; He hath no son, nor father nor partner. There is no person like unto Him.
  15. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Trinity, in Christian doctrine, the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead. Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew Scriptures: “Hear, O israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deuteronomy 6:4). The earliest Christians, however, had to cope with the implications of the coming of Jesus Christ and of the presumed presence and power of God among them—i.e., the Holy Spirit, whose coming was connected with the celebration of the Pentecost. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were associated in such New Testament passages as the Great Commission: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19); and in the apostolic benediction: “The grace ...(150 of 487 words) According to Theodore Zahn, until about 250 AD the article of faith was, "I believe in God, The Almighty." Between 180 and 210 AD the word "Father" was added before "Almighty." (See Articles of Apostolic Creed, pp. 3-17) This was bitterly contested by a number of Church leaders. Bishops Victor and Zephysius are on record as condemning this act. They regarded it an unthinkable sacrilege to add or subtract any words in the Scriptures. They also opposed the tendency to regard Jesus as divine. They had great stress on the unity of God as expressed in the original teachings of Jesus and asserted although he was a prophet, he was essentially a man like other men, even if highly favored by his Lord.
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