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  1. The prohets spoke things and their history are recorded as books. God did sent many prophets to israel. its purpose was not to correct torah. torah was never edited. Jesus came and preached new law. According to you, Jesus did right stuff. so called editing happened according to your claim must be between jesus and muhammed time. that is around 1st to 7th century(500 to 600 years gap). actually what is your claim of editing? i dont understand it. you are blindly saying it got edited. New testament was compiled in 4th century. so according to your claim it must have happened between 4th century to 7th century(that is around 300-400 years). whether NT or OT was edited according to you? or both got edited? was gospel given to replace torah? what are your claims? i read a lot of website articles which says bible has errors or something. ALL OF THEM talking about mistakes it made in translating in english. they translate from reading hebrew texts, greek texts. those hebrew and greek texts were found no error. when a man translates to english he might have used improper word of translation. only those words are revisied in revised edition. the copies of hebrew manuscripts are not revisied. they are same. your explanation of editing is not a clear stuff. only thing you could point out in NT is about the divinty of JESUS mentioned explicitly which i believe is the TRUTH. But in OT what mistakes you found. nothing so far. in NT no valid claimes are found. but in NT jesus is son of GOD. that is all. Also, interestingly your faith and jewish faith is so similar. yet you blame Jews so much which i cannot understand. You cannot prove that bible is edited by any historical evidence. only picking up some minor errors which are made during translation. work of translation is human work and that too very minor errors. i couldnt view any youtube videos posted in this discussion. May God led you to the TRUTH. Shalom
  2. My First Doubt In Quran

    we chrisatians dont worship in three Gods. we worship one god. we believe in one God. You also believe in one God. but there is a difference. that can be debated but fruitless. christians will not change their faith and muslims wont change their faith. Only God can help you to see the Truth. arguing i think will make only a person more stubborn. just my opinion. you should pray to God about Jesus and his salvation plan that will alone help you. If Jesus was give such a importance even i quran and he even comes again to rule the world. there must be something about Jesus that is not revealed to you. let Jesus come we will see the truth.
  3. Why Should I Believe In Muhammed?

    hi, thanks for your reply. Do you proof that prophets were sent to other nations besides it is mentioned in Quran ? i asked my muslim friend and he told me that prophet hoodh was sent to Aaadh community. but where is the proof of it in history? why should i believe anything like this without a proof in the history if it happened in the history. i understand at the same time there are some things we need to believe without an evidence of existence. the concept of hell we cannot believe it with proof. we cannot see it with natural eyes. so such things we have to believe it exist without evidence. but when it comes to history there must be proof. i live in india there is no history that a prophet came here and established his word(or message) here. so i cannot believe your statement blindly. china believe in buddhism and other religions or philosophies in the past. never heard of any prophet in their history. your friend here mentioned that arabs are fresh meaning that no prophets were sent to them before. no prophets were sent to any arab nations. can you prove the existence of a prophet and his message in the history in any nation(except israel for i know god sent prophets to israel)? why should i believe blindly a prophet was there in any other community without historical evidence(i mean beyond evidence in quran)? so can you prove your statemnet with evidence atleast one community that a prophet was sent to them? if you could prove it i will not show hard heartedness in that matter. Also, you cannot prove that jesus was sent only to israel from the history. the immediate disciples of jesus spread christianity to many nations. just few years after the killing of jesus the roman emperor(the ceaser) was converted. some of the disciples of jesus came to india through ship within few years of killing of jesus. why did disciples spread the message if jesus was meant only for israel? the spreading of christianity to other nations did not started after 100 years or something but it happened very immediate years after the killing of jesus. so we have proof both historically and from bible that Jesus is the last prophet for all the mankind in the earth and hence God need not sent another last prophet. you yourself will see christians in majority nations of the earth that itself speaks he was the original last prophet who was sent to all mankind. thanks vipin
  4. Why Should I Believe In Muhammed?

    Did God sent prophets to another nation besides israel? which nation did he sent? i am curious to know that because i am hearing it for first time. Did Quran mention any of those nations? i think quran mentions only israel. i didnt read quran yet. it would be helpful if you clarify my doubt. thank you vipin
  5. i dont believe muhammed as prophet and hence i dont believe quran as word of god. please be friendly and polite in participating in this forum. consider these as opportunity to clarify my doubts. point 1. all previous prophets starting from moses to jesus were isrealities. muhammed is not isreal. so he is not a prophet. point 2. all prophets were prophesying. muhammed was not. muhammed heard from angel and then spoke it. a strange method. so he is not a prophet. point 3. all prophet were annointed. muhammed did not reveal his identity in terms of annointing at all. so he is not prophet. point 4. all prophets performed signs to prove they are of god. means did miracles or prophecised, and kept holy life. Muhammed lost his impression in dealing with ladies. he thought to marry a 6 year old girl but waited. also didnt perform any miracles. only sign he has is spoke something that normal person cannot think of. so muhammed is not a prophet. point 5.all prophets did not go for war but was speaking message and performing miracles. muhammed went for wars after war killed many people through his believers. which prophet went for war?? so muhammed is not a prophet. point 6. we christains believe jesus is the last prophet of kind of old testament. there is no more prophets after jesus. so muhammed is not a prophet. point 7. we christains believe any christian to be annointed. this annointing guide us to the truth so we dont require a priest or prophet to guide us to a truth. so we dont require a prophet. for that reason, why should God sent prophet like muhammed again? for these reasons muhammed is not a prophet of God for me? please take this as positive challenge only. not as insult to your faith or prophet in any means.
  6. My First Doubt In Quran

    does quran say trinity is God, mary and jesus? can you quote that verse? if yes, how can Quran make such a blunder?
  7. My First Doubt In Quran

    i liked your answer. my limited rights do not permit to vote like for your reply in this forum. We christians believe in son of god. salvation is only for those who believe in son of god. but i read more verses in quran today. i found out that quran specifically mentions against the faith of christains. specifically it attacks bible belief. i was shocked to see such strange things. so arguing more on that topic is of no good. christians dont believe that god has wives and then born a child. but believe god had son in the begining that is even before creation of heaven and earth. quran specifically threatens a person to be tormented if not believed in quran. i just read today few portions. i was surprised to see such cruel explanation. where god directly threatening a man to be tormented in hell for not accepting the quran. bible does not speak like that at all. bible view is so different. God loves unbelievers too according to bible.
  8. i am a christian in faith. i just read few verses of quran. al baqarah verse 87. it mentions about moses, jesus, holyspirit. 87. We gave Moses the Scripture, and sent a succession of messengers after him. And We gave Jesus son of Mary the clear proofs, and We supported him with the Holy Spirit. Is it that whenever a messenger comes to you with anything your souls do not desire, you grew arrogant, calling some impostors, and killing others? "And We gave Jesus son of Mary the clear proofs, and We supported him with the Holy Spirit" what does clear proofs and holy spirit mean according to you? i guess clear proofs refers to miracles performed by jesus. this is same thing we christians believe and taught in churches. God did miracles through jesus after empowered by holy spirit. i was shocked to see that here. but never a muslim have told about mention of holy spirit in quran. so i guess muslims might be intrepreted it differently. what is Islam thinking about holy spirit mentioned here? i just read 100 verses of al baqarah and i felt it is written for those who have read bible already. events in story of moses are mentioned randomly. that is strange. style of bible and quran is too different.
  9. My First Doubt In Quran

    i read a few verses of quran today using english quran online. i am a christian in faith. i just want to ask some doubts here. i think it is permisisible to post quran doubts. i just read 100 verses. slowly i will read all of it and i may post my doubts here. al baqarah verse 62. what does it mean? 62. Those who believe,and those who are Jewish, and the Christians, and the Sabeans-any who believe in God and the Last Day, and act righteously-will have their reward with their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. does it mean christains have nothing to fear and grieve as long as we continue believe in god, last day and act righteously? this is a doubt arised reading today. i wrongly put this same question in another section of forum. i hope this is right section. thanks for helping me understand this. vipin
  10. i read a few verses of quran today using english quran online. i am a christian in faith. i just want to ask some doubts here. i think it is permisisible to post quran doubts. al baqarah verse 62. what does it mean? 62. Those who believe,and those who are Jewish, and the Christians, and the Sabeans-any who believe in God and the Last Day, and act righteously-will have their reward with their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. does it mean christains have nothing to fear and grieve as long as we continue believe in god, last day and act righteously? this is a doubt arised reading today. thanks for helping me understand this. vipin
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