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  1. Israel To Vanish, Says Hezbollah

    Peace Zeinab, Is it your wish that israel should 'vanish'? (A euphamism as brutal as any I've heard.)
  2. Slavery

    Peace, Could these 'live-in servants' choose to leave their 'job' whenever they wanted without fear of repercussion, no strings attached? (Except perhaps a months notice?)
  3. Do You Give Up Your Seat

    Peace sudden, Nah. I think the majority of the riff-raff who worked in coal mines, steel mills, woolen mills, farmhands and the likes have always been impolite yobo's. The fact they now wear suits and work in call-centres can't change 200 years of swearing on the factory floor. If you want an honest opinion I reckon as a proportion of society the same number will be polite today as were 200 years ago. I reckon parenting might have a little more to do with it than Zionism... (If you were joking you did make me smile)
  4. Slavery

    Peace, I knew the Government were trying to restrict numbers of asylum seekers but I didn't know they'd stooped to advertising the option accross the globe as pseudo-enslavement...
  5. Peace Joseph, Actually I said, "creature/deity/thing that you call God" [who you guys believe made the universe.] However the actual definition of the creature/deity/thing you call God is not particularly relevant to the debate. Believers have since the dawn of time through necessity put God somewhere beyond any falsifiable boundary. He lived up unscalable mountains in prehistoric times, once the mountains were scaled God moved above the clouds where he couldn't be seen, on the development of astronomy he moved on to be defined as being outwith our universe and the ability of science to pinpoint him. There is no doubt in my mind once science moves outwith relative physics and causality and into the realm of investigating potential multiverses using instruments hitherto unthought of, God will always have a place sitting somewhere over the next hill.
  6. Peace, You know hundreds of years ago a similar debate was raging, nobody could explain how the sun worked. Everybody knew that it was a big burning fire in space and they knew roughly how large the sun was. 'Creation Scientists' argued that even if the sun was made out of the most efficient type of coal that it could not be older than a few million years old because all the coal would have burnt out. They used this argument by extension to argue that evolution had to be wrong, because evolution argued that the earth had to be hundreds of millions, if not thousands of millions of years old. The sun to them was definitive proof of the existence of God, because in their eyes there was no other explanation - and indeed with the knowledge they had there was no other explanation for how the sun could keep burning. Of course the Creation 'Scientists' were wrong, we now know that nuclear fusion operates in a manner that was unfathomable to them because they lacked sufficient knowledge to explain what they were looking at. Zoom forward to 2008. You guys are arguing that because science does not provide a satisfactory explanation for the beginning of the universe that it must to be the work of a creature/deity/thing that you call God. By all means make the argument that this unexplainable event was the work of God, but do not try and make out that atheists are somehow being illogical for taking the position that we simply do not know what caused, or even if a cause was necesarry, for the beginning of the universe. Remember, if it should transpire that you are wrong then your ancestors will read this thread in 500 years and cringe quite heavily.
  7. Do You Give Up Your Seat

    Peace, Haha great question! It's one of those moral dilemma's I get plagued by most days. I only have 2 stops (around 5 mins tops) on the underground between where I live and my office so it doesn't really matter to me whether I sit or if I stand, however obviously if there's a seat free I'd marginally prefer to be sitting over standing. However if enough people get on the one stop between my home and my office I still have the problem of how best to be polite. Obviously if a lady gets on the train who is over 40(ish) I give up my seat without thinking about it, or if it's a man who looks over 60(ish) that's a no-brainer. However it gets tricky anywhere before that. I was always brought up that as a man I should give up my seat for a lady, but that brings its own problems. If for example I give up my seat for a lady my own agegroup (i.e. mid-twenties) then I would fear that the person for whom I was giving up my seat would think I was trying to be flirtatious or something. (Which would not be my motivation at all.) On the other hand, if I didn't give up my seat I would feel ungentlemanly. So it's a lose-lose situation. The same applies (but worse again!) in the case of ladies who are 30+. If I give up my seat for them they might think I'm trying to be flirtatious, or equally as bad they might think that I'm implying that they look old by offering them my seat. Then again if I don't give them the seat then again I feel ungentlemanly. The only part-solution I've found is that I make sure I'm the very last person to get on the train at my stop, then if the seats are mostly taken then I just remain standing because I know those seats will probably be filled up at the next station.
  8. Peace Dot, Many thanks, showing pity for morons such as I demonstrates great strength in your character.
  9. Plans To Attack Our Forum

    Peace, Presuming (perhaps optimistically) that the retards who were planning this caper have an attention span long enough to read this thread I'd like to suggest two courses of action you may wish to consider should you happen to be reading this. A: Go burst your teenage acne in the mirror then wash thoroughly. Wait for 4 days to clear the scarring then go out and get a girlfriend. Be nice to her and stuff, you've missed valentines day now but you can still buy her flowers or something. Assuming a female companion is a bit out of your league for reasons of self-esteem, generally looking like a tramp or bad breath (etc.), you could alternatively pursue a hobby such as stamp collecting or model train building. Following that you might find that whatever axe you have to grind with Islam came about solely because you have nothing else to occupy your miserable existence with! Resultantly you will end up a more interesting individual than you are at the moment. You'll find that even if you were 40, lived with your mother and had the sole hobby of stamp collecting, that people would have a lot more respect for you as an individual than somebody who takes pleasure in offending others of a different religion on an online forum. (<-- I.e. At least you'd be just a sad b*****d rather than a pathetic sad b*****d.) Alternatively! B: Join the forum under a reasonable username, apologise for making your silly plan, and actually speak to the people you intended to insult and I'm pretty sure you'll find that whatever you find so terrible about Islam can be put into a context whereby you can realise why ruining somebody elses online forum is distasteful and a poor reflection on yourself, your family and your background in general.
  10. Israel & Palestine: How Much Is Enough?

    Peace crystal sword, I might well be wrong but how much does anybody honestly know about Sierra Leone, the worlds least developed country? There was a great uproar over the israeli's cutting power to Gaza, and quite rightly as that was an unfair and unwarranted punishment towards a whole people. However Sierra Leone is hotter than Palestine, their babies don't have incubators to lose power for, they don't have schools or clean water and live so far below the standard of living of the rest of the world it's difficult to quite quantify quite how awful life there is. Undoubtedly the Palestinians have to endure a lot compared to the likes of myself living in relative luxury, but if a scale of suffering could be accurately produced it would be my guess that even the residents of the Gaza strip live in comparitive comfort compared to those in Sierra Leone. Of course it's true that 'Westerners' (whatever that means) don't care a great deal about what goes on in Palestine. Does anybody on earth (and I could well include myself here) give anything but lip service to the poorest and most war torn continent on earth?
  11. The Idea Of A Jewish State

    Peace Yasnov, Maybe he just got lucky then? 68% of israeli Jews were born in israel. (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Demographics_of_israel"]Source: Wikipedia[/url]
  12. The Idea Of A Jewish State

    Peace Yasnov, Compensation: From the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office (British Government official position): (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_domino.un(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/UNISPAL.NSF/90634f6f0dc8cd1b85256d0a00549202/c758572b78d1cd0085256bcf0077e51a%21OpenDocument"]Resolution 194 (1948) - United Nations[/url] Illegality in 'creation' of State of israel: (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetfco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029394644"]Foreign and Commonwealth Office - Historical Background[/url] (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_domino.un(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/UNISPAL.NSF/181c4bf00c44e5fd85256cef0073c426/7f0af2bd897689b785256c330061d253%21OpenDocument"]UN Resolution 181[/url] For a comprehensive list of illegalities in the creation of the State of israel I'd have to spend all day writing, and you're probably aware of them anyway.
  13. The Idea Of A Jewish State

    Peace obodknarf, Well, one thing I can be sure of is that I can't be right all the time! I'd be content with an 80/20 rightness ratio. :sl: (If 'rightness' isn't a word, it is now...) You have however sparked my curiosity, is it the general theme of what I was writing about or a specific point?
  14. The Idea Of A Jewish State

    Peace Yasnov, I think this may be a larger mis-understanding than I first thought! No wonder discussions on israel/Palestine are always heated :sl: The opinions I gave are not just my own opinions, they are the opinions of every person that I know. Indeed they pretty much sum up the official position of the UK Government. I did a little reading from the British Foreign Office Website and I'll quote the relevant sections. Ensuring equal treatment of israeli Arabs is an important issue for us and we remain concerned at institutionalised discrimination towards israeli Arabs, who make up nearly 20% of the population. The position of the 140,000 Bedouin living in the Negev desert, who are often denied rudimentary services, is particularly worrying. The fate of the Palestinian refugees is important to Palestinians, israelis and regional States such as Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. A just resolution of the refugee issue must be agreed consistent with UN General Assembly Resolution 194 (1948), which calls for the right of return, and compensation, for Palestinian refugees. We believe that a solution can be agreed and implemented without threatening the existence or character of the State of israel. There is a clear international consensus on what a negotiated settlement might look like. The key elements will include an end to occupation, the exchange of 'land for peace' leading to a viable state of Palestine alongside the State of israel, both secure and respected within recognised borders, as set out in UN Security Council Resolutions 242, 338 and 1397, 1435 and 1515. It should also build on Crown Prince Abdullah's initiative, adopted by the Arab League in Beirut on 28 March 2002, which offers full normalisation of relations between the Arab States and israel, in the context of a final settlement. I think you might find the UK's position on the israel/Palestine problem quite rational. The full section on the UK Governments official position is available here: (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yetfco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1115148780942"]British Foreign and Commonwealth Office[/url] As for British/European people as a whole, the majority feel that israeli actions are a threat. Europeans feel that the israeli Government is the greatest threat that there is to world peace. Nearly 60% of Europeans said yes when asked in the Eurobarometer survey if israel presents a threat to peace, putting it ahead of Iran, North Korea and the US, each of which polled 53%.[using large font size is not allowed] (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3237277.stm"]BBC News[/url] Just out of interest, have you been suprised by the answers in this thread? Eoin[using large font size is not allowed]
  15. The Idea Of A Jewish State

    Peace Yasnov, I think perhaps that you have an incorrect perception of general Western opinion as regards israel. To demonstrate, could any Westerner who disagree's with any of the following please stand up: 1. israeli laws should not favour Jews in any way shape or form over non-Jews, or vice versa. I object to any and all instances of this not being met. 2. The Jewish religion is in no way shape or form any justification whatsoever for a Jewish State to exist, Jews worldwide should have no greater rights to live in israel than people of any religion or race. 3. The original 'creation' of the state of israel was carried out illegally, those who lost their homes as a result of fleeing the violence should be compensated fully for the loss of property and quality of life. There are many Palestinians alive who lived within what is now israel and had their homes stolen or bulldozed and an equitable solution needs to be found to either let them return to their property, or they should be provided by the state of israel with their old property back or an equal or better property and enough resources (i.e. cash) to restart their lives. 4. However israel does now exist, people have been born and brought up in the country and they should be recognised as having a right to live there with rights equal to that of Palestinians. 5. israel's borders should be clearly defined on a map and any and all israeli claims at enlarging these borders should be internationally condemned and opposed.