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  1. Peace unto you, um-eesaa My thanks for your correction. Perhaps you can give me exact references? Alas, having seen transcriptions of many speeches by Imams in Australia and the Middle East, I'm not the only one who needed correcting. No matter you have done me a favour, for which my sincere thanks. Despite 5:51, perhaps we can at least respect one another. Zoe
  2. Peace unto you, Al Faqeer I think that the Kurdish Muslims I know would disagree with you there. "No one would be killed or injured"? - from (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html"]Assistance For Iraq[/url] Muslims killing Muslims. There seems to be a lot of that lately. Oh, Christians are good at it too, the war that ended 60 years ago slew some 25 million of them, and that was mostly Christian vs Christian. I attended a school reunion on Saturday, and sat next to a friend who worked on nuclear medicine at the Lucas Heights reactor. It doesn't produce power, only isotopes for medicinal purposes. He would have been one of the casualties had the local terrorist cell, the Jihadis, had succeeded in their plans to demolish it and kill as many people as they could while doing so. We have a personal interest in the Muslim vs Muslim squabble that's going on, the battle for the Caliphate. Because we're threatened by it too. I posted something that I hoped would bring us closer together: now I see by your remarks that we are growing further apart. Each of us sees only our own viewpoint, and not that of others. No Muslim can criticise another, no matter how much evil is done. No Jew can be allowed a single dash of praise, as they are Pigs and Monkeys - doesn't it say so in the Holy Koran, the very word of Allah, and thus, unquestionably true? I see no meeting ground here, and that saddens me beyond belief. May the Compassionate, the Merciful, whatever you may call Him, guide us all.
  3. (www.)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.nationalreview(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/comment/huerta200511110822.asp"]Read this article before commenting, please.[/url]
  4. Zee, Peace No-one with a knowledge of mathematics can be unaware of Algebra, Algorithm. No-one with a knowledge of Astronomy can be unaware of Deneb, Kochab, Zubenelgenubi, Altair.... No-one with a knowledge of Chemistry can be unaware of Alcohol or Alkali. In the course of learning scientific disciplines, you cannot avoid being taught who was responsible for such discoveries. But as a western scientist with more than the average amount of knowledge of the history of Science and Mathematics, I cannot recall a single Muslim Scientist of note since about 1450 CE. Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Shinto, Confucians, Taoists, and Christians of all varieties, yes. There's bound to be some. The amount of work coming from the US and China is immense, and both have large Muslim populations. But I can't think of anyone from the Islamic world in the last 500 years. :D Zoe
  5. Arabic For Beginners

    My thanks for your time and trouble, it's appreciated. :D
  6. The Nicea Council

    May I suggest you find a copy of the Chaosium game "Credo". This takes a somewhat irreverant view of the council of Nicea, but the historical research and background literature included in the game is beyond reproach, and the best single summarised source on the subject I know of. Details "you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.thewargamer(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/brog/credo.htm"]here[/url]
  7. From "you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_indiauncut.blogspot(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/2005/01/despatches-9-identity.html"]India Uncut[/url] Australia and the USA have rushed in what aid we could to Indonesia. We don't ask the victims what religion they are before giving help. We don't insist on handing out copies of the Bible, or Talmud, or the Bhagavid-Gita, or Koran with each food parcel, though some of the Australians are Christians, others Jews, others Hindu - and some of us are Buddhists, others Muslims. But primarily, we're all human. Some of the people in Aceh recently massacred their neighbours, and both Churches and Masjids have been burnt. Frankly, we don't care. When something like this happens, we're all in this together. They're all human, all victims. Save 'em all, and let God sort them out. I see that some people in India - who happen to be Muslim - feel the same way. Such people I would be honoured to call Brother or Sister. In the meantime, if you're Muslim, read the paragraph I quoted above, and be proud.
  8. Are Robots Haram?

    Please forgive me if I'm wrong about any of this, I'm not a Muslim. Drawn images, and hence sculpted images, of living things are unequivocally forbidden, if I read the Koran correctly. Opinions of scholars differ as to whether photographs of living things are forbidden, permissible under some circumstances, or permissible as they do not involve creativity, merely record. But what about Robots? Things that may or may not appear similar to living creatures, yet endowed with the ability to mimic life to a limited extent? is the creation of them forbidden, or permissible, and if so, under what circumstances? For that matter, what about artificial life itself? If a scientist creates a living creature in a Laboratory, is that forbidden as trespassing on Allah(swt)'s domain, forbidden as being a created image, or permissible as on the Last Day, only those picture-makers who cannot breath life into their images are to be condemned?
  9. Responding To Merry Christmas

    As a non-Muslim, may I ask if it is permissible for a Muslim to reply as follows : (Kafur) "Merry Christmas" (Muslim) "Peace on Earth" or (Kafur) "Merry Christmas" (Muslim) "May Allah Bless You, and may You find Him" I figure that this is a way of politely responding to what is intended to be an expression of kindliness and friendship, without acknowledging the Kafur's belief directly. The first example wishes the whole world would be D'ar al Islam. A Christian may interpret it as just being consistent with the Christian belief that the Angel Gabrial announced the birth of Jesus with the phrase "Peace on Earth, Goodwill to all Men". The second example is an expression of kindliness and friendship in return, as well as a wish to see the original well-wisher be blessed by Allah (swt) and so convert to Islam. But to a Christian, it may be interpreted purely as "God's blessing be upon you", totally in keeping with the Christmas Spirit. I hope that this way you can remain true to your belief, while politely returning the good wishes of another. I would appreciate the comment of any Islamic scholar on this, as I have no wish to lead you astray. In the meantime, I wish you Peace, and may the Compassionate and the Merciful bless you. :D
  10. Muslim and Christians:

    A very imperfect human being. If you want a religious label, the terms "Agnostic", "Liberal Catholic" and "Lesser Path Buddhist" are equally accurate. I try to do good - and am certain as I can be that at least some Muslims I know personally will enter Paradise, if it exists. The same is true of some Christians I know, and some Jews too. Do I believe in the day of Judgement? I'm not convinced. But I do believe that everyone should behave as if it will happen, especially if it won't. And if there's no parole from Perdition, if the Almighty runs a private torture chamber for sinners to be excruciated for eternity with no chance of repentance and release, then I want no part of it. My God is one of compassion and mercy, in addition to justice. This puts me outside mainstream Islam, and mainstream Christianity too for that matter. I'd be in violation of the terms of service of this site if I went into more detail about why I hold my beliefs, as they're not Islamic - and it would be a sin (by my own belief) for me to divert any Muslim from their proper path. I can make some statements though. I do not believe 9:113 is correct. I do believe that 2:224 is correct, and many other parts of the Holy Koran too. 5:32 for example. I'm surprised no-one on this thread has quoted 29:46 before now. Peace.
  11. Junk History

    What you say is true, but not particularly relevant. I wish it were. Because the people with the least amount of knowledge of history are the Muslims that are causing the trouble. You know, the people who perpetrated 9/11. When the Wahabbist fanatics rampaged through Saudi Arabia asking "Are you a Christian" and beheading those who answered in the affirmative, I doubt that they were particularly interested in conversion, by the sword or otherwise. What they did that day was no more Islamic than the Sack of Magdeburg was an example of true Christian belief. Today, on other parts of this forum, you're more likely to have this quoted at you: 5:51 O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. rather than this: 2:62 Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. or even this: 5:82 Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. As for the Dhimmi Christian minorities in various Islamic lands, just go there and ask about what happened to the Jews - also "peoples of the book". Or go to Aceh province in Indonesia, and look at the Christian villages that have been devastated. Or go to Nigeria, where the northern provincial government has recently decreed that all Churches be raised. None of this is according to anything in the Koran. It is, howver, in accordance with many of the Hadiths. There is a lot more to Islam than just the Koran, just as there is a lot more to Catholic Theology than what is in the Bible. And there is more disputation about which Hadiths are "authentic" than you'll find between the various doctrinal disputes between Copts, Marionites, Waldenses, Othodox (Serbian), Orthodox (Greek), Orthodox(Russian), Lutherans, Catholics, Calvinists, Congregationalists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, and so on. The point is that it's the Muslim equivalent of Calvin and Zwingli that have the money and the guns. Islam is undergoing its own attempted radical Reformation by the Wahhabi sect, and unless we can have some contact and conversation with the great bulk of Islam, we're in for a replay of the 30 years war. And just as Calvin had influence a long distance from Geneva, and amongst both governments and popular opinion that were not Calvinist but were receptive to radical purification and reform, so the Wahabbi and Taliban have had a great deal of influence a long way from Afghanistan and Saudi. Just as there were many good, just and righteous individuals whose very Godliness made them fanatically anti-Catholic, you'll find righteous individuals on this forum who are convinced Taliban supporters who see the West as Evil Incarnate. Occidens Delenda Esse. At one time, the Caliphate was the most economically and morally advanced, the most tolerant, and the most scientific of the world's civilisations. Given the competition, that's not saying much, and it was far less perfect than some writers have made it out to be. But you have to judge it by the relative standards of the time as well as an objective standard. By the former, it was exemplary, by the latter, no worse than many regimes today, and far better than some. About the same as the Sultanate of Muscat and Oman? But the West has advanced a bit beyond the standards of the third Crusade. And, for that matter, the 30 years war. We've eliminated the scourge of National Socialism that attempted to put back the clock. But the Muslim world has not. We should no more tar them all with the same brush than "the West" should be associated with Nazism. But neither should we ignore the growing canker in their midst, one which is growing with the help of many well-meaning and God-fearing Muslims. Just as in 1938 there were many in the West who thought that Mussolini made the trains run on time, Hitler was a great leader, and Stalin was the Greatest Man in History, and so gave them covert or overt support. Still, it never hurts to learn a little history - we should at least be original in our mistakes. And, as you say, much of what is popularly believed is Junk. (how many Americans realise Lincoln freed the slaves all right - but only in the Confederacy, not the ones in the Union?) You just have to realise that the current situation is more like Europe circa 1630 than the Ayyubids, Fatamids, Abbasids, Seljuks or Ottomans. IMHO. Regards, Alan E Brain, Canberra, Australia (Systems Engineer and sometime Military Historian)
  12. Muslim and Christians:

    I agree that what most Christians practice today is not what Jesus (Isa) taught - any more than what most Muslims practice today is what Mohammed (PBUH) taught. Just look at the splits between Shi'a, Sunni, and Sufi. or those between Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant. But no insult to Allah is intended, any more than Muslims intend to insult God by not believing that Jesus was His Son. Readings (Muslims should consult the original in Arabic, as all translations are suspect, the English below is for the benefit of non-Muslims - like me): 2:62 Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. 2:120 And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper. 5:51 O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. 5:69 Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve. 22:17 Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associate (others with Allah)-- surely Allah will decide between them on the day of resurrection; surely Allah is a witness over all things. As Muslims, you may not be allowed to love Christians. But Christians are not just allowed, they're expected to love everybody. Hate the Sin, but love the Sinner. Being human, not many manage that, any more than many Muslims live a life of perfection. At this time of year, Christians celebrate the traditional date of the birth of Jesus (though the actual holiday was adapted from a pagan midwinter festival - just as the great Masjid in Istanbul was adapted from the Church of Hagia Sophia). Anyway, it is a time to wish Peace and Goodwill to All People. Not just all Christians, or all Catholics, or all Jews. All people. The Sinner and the Saint, the Idolator and the Believer. May they be shown Mercy and Compassion, may their past sins be forgiven, and may they go and sin no more. I repeat 5:69 Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve. Your way is not our way, our way is not your way. Nonetheless, Peace be upon you, and may the Compassionate, the Merciful show you His compassion and mercy. And that is a sincere wish, though I don't consider myself to be a Christian.
  13. May I please have a translation into English of: :P :P :( :( :D :D :D :D :D :D :saa: :D :D :D :w: Thanks.
  14. Report upgrade problems here

    My thanks. BTW I'm unable to comment outside the Reception Lounge - specifically, I'm unable to comment in the Islam-West Dialogue forum. Perhaps because I'm no longer a "New Member" but don't have 50 posts?
  15. I don't seem to be able to use the western-Islamic dialogue any more.
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