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  1. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    You are asking "How acute are the corners of a circle?" - The answer is "A circle has no corners" You are asking "Who created God" - the answer is "There is no god. What you describe as 'god' is the creation of people's imagination, fed by lack of knowledge, by fear and by the imposition of religious beliefs by power-hungry rulers who find it easier to control illiterate masses and whom they promise that their miserable existence will be rewarded with paradise." Any more questions? Don't hesitate to ask.
  2. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    One remark, al faqeer. If you are looking for evidence or proof of the teachings of Islam (and other religions to this effect) you violate the main tenet of all religions: not to question their dogmas. You seem to doubt what the Quran says because you are looking for proof elsewhere: science, theories, common knowledge. You are applying today's achievements to explain what was written centuries ago. All holy books are vague enough to apply cybernetics and quantuum mechanics to them and say "Wow, they knew about this long time ago, this proves the knowledge was given to them by God." Do I not wonder about the wonder of life? I do! But I don't look for an explanation in holy books. Does Darwinism explain everything? Of course, not. But there is genetics now, which shows additional evidence that I and my cat have many genes in common, and that there is only one different set of genes in the makeup of my DNA code and that of an African ape. Other scientific schools will lead to more results, some proving and some disproving the evolution theory. I understand I may never know everything because life is so complicated. If people want to believe in gods, let them. But if we base our life and science and work on religion, we'll have a talibanized planet, and your site will be closed down too.
  3. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    As to the existence of god and my burning in hell, it is irrelevant, al faqeer. People need to enjoy the gift of life and not concentrate on the possible (impossible, of course) afterlife. If I go to hell, I'll go to a Russian hell, as promised by the Orthodox believers, so it is unlikely we'll meet there, brother.
  4. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    I'm not being scientific or exact in details, of course, - the point is to show the trend, rather than the actual evolution of religion. As time passed, rulers and priests realized that in order to strengthen their rule they need to unite more people and more lands, many of whom prayed to different gods. One ruler, one religion. This is what was required. Jews got stuck with Judaism. Indians with Hinduism or Buddhism. Other ethnic groups with other religions, some of which no longer exist, or remain in small numbers. Arabs embraced Islam. Russian prince Vladimir who ruled over a collection of pagan lands had the benefit of choosing the religion for the united country he sought to build. He rejected Catholicism for lack of ceremony, Islam for alcohol ban, and chose the Byzantine branch of Christianity, which is still the religion of choice for Russians. As well as Islam which was initially brought by the Tatar hordes which defeated the disorganized Russian princes and their armies but later settled down in Russia and have lived in peace for centuries with Orthodox Russians, in fact - we have twenty million Muslims in Russia (population 142 million) and in Moscow alone there are two million muslims out of 10 million. Religion was frowned upon in the Soviet period. Churches, synagogues and Masjids were closed down or turned into storehouses. Now these three faiths and numerous religious sects are flourishing. And religion is now encouraged by the authorities. Not any religious belief though - just Russian Orthodoxy and Islam. The reason, I believe, is because both faiths haven't changed or reformed for centuries and our rulers don't like change, or perhaps, this is exactly why they don't like change because their thinking has been affected by religious traditions predominant in the country, even though they were probably irreligious themselves. This is why Russia and most of the Islamic world are opposed to the 'West' - they want to live in the 21st century by relying on traditions that stem from the Middle Ages. Christianity in the West has reformed and changed to adapt to needs of the times. We, to the contrary, want to adapt these needs to our religious beliefs. This is being done in two different ways. Very much like financial pyramids, Islam is keen on recruting new members because to survive without reform it needs to embrace more people. Russian Orthodoxy is acting like a policeman, banning all other Christian faiths and sects, imposing chaplains in the army, building churches and so on and so forth. Many religious Russians, btw, are increasingly embracing Islam, but the church doesn't see it as a problem to its own membership. Many historically Islamic people are Russian Orthodox by faith. These two religions co-exist peacefully in Russia. And even the Chechen war, paid for by Islamic states and encouraged by Russian rulers who need a burning conflict to distract people's attention from other problems, doesn't seem to spoil these relations.
  5. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    I'm impressed with your way of reasoning, al faqeer, as well as your inclusion of other theists into the equation. If all Muslims were like you... I disagree on the substance, though. How did religion appear? I'll skip the period when primordial apes were evolving into humans because we'll get stuck at this point for obvious reasons :D Early people were natural pagans, busy about their daily chores. As they developed hunting, agriculture and various trades, they started noticing the movement of the Sun and eclipses, Moon phases and other natural phenomena for which they found no simple explanation. The 'smart' among them claimed there were 'gods' behind all these phenomena - the god of the sun, the god of the wind, and so on. The 'smartest' of those presented themselves as spokespeople for these gods and enjoyed life serving these gods, rather than working in the fields or chasing wild animals. Nation-states were developing and religious beliefs mimicked their structure: one ruler, one god, the main one. Later, only one god, other small deities became angels, prophets etc. If you tabulate the world's religions by age you'll notice how this progression took place.
  6. Who Is Hurt By The Boycott?

    And a cartoon fallout in Russia: Russian authorities closed down a paper which carried a cartoon showing Mohammad, Jesus and Buddha as they were watching angry growds ready to attack each other, with the words, "We didn't teach you that."
  7. Who Is Hurt By The Boycott?

    its your problem, muslim dude, you aren't even able to understand what i mean... Those who want to understand may read more here: www.afghanpix(contact admin if its a beneficial link) As to Iraq, I spent more time in Iraq than you, muslim dude, spent at this forum, to know better. Any war is bad, including the U.S. war on Iraq, but you believe a war on the non-believers is good.
  8. Who Is Hurt By The Boycott?

    Come on, Curious Dane, the Muslims are not offended by the cartoons. In most countries, the cartoons were used as a pretext to launch attacks on Western culture and institutions, to unite the Arabs and other Muslims who live in povery and have no jobs, to make them ready for fighting. Their logic is different, and they don't care about a few people losing their jobs. I interviewed one guy in Afghanistan who praised the 9/11, saying why care about a few thousand innocent people being killed - they all will go to heaven. Most Islamic users of this site wish death to Russia for fighting Chechen separatists and terrorists who claim to be Muslims.
  9. People of The Book" & The Muslims

    The world will become a different place when people come to realize that religion obscures people's minds, obstructs science and leads to wars and enmity. True, many scientists believe in gods, but they don't base their scientific work on religious dogmas. True, many politicians are believers but they act contrary to what their holy books say. And so do terrorists, although they do find justification for terror actions in their holy books. Christians do this to a lesser extent, Muslims, for some reason, more. But to say atheism and atheists are your enemies.... People have the right to believe in any idol they want, but they also have the right not to believe in gods and creation. I don't, and I think that people who believe in god are weaker than me because they cannot look straight into the face of life and death but look for comforting lies. Believers are weak, but I don't consider them enemies. It is a pity that you as believer consider atheists as your enemies. My moral standing as an atheist is based on life principles and not on the false principles of religion.
  10. Islam In Kryjystan

    First of all, dear brother, the name of the country is Kyrgyzstan. I was in Bishkek, its capital, last month for the "stone revolution" that overthrew the corrupt regime of Askar Akayev. So far I'm not sure who has come to power there. It is hard to call Kyrgyzstan an Islamic country. Nominally, yes, most people are Muslims, but they don't observer any rites or traditions. The main reason is not only the Communist rule but also the ancient pagan and nomadic traditions. Nowadays, small Masjids have been and are being built in every village on the money donated by Middle East countries, mostly Emirates. Few people go there, however, even on Fridays. But the people are nice, and hopefully the country will stay peaceful despite economic and political problems.
  11. Islam in Chechnya

    MOSCOW (AFP) - Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov, one of Russia's most wanted men, has been killed in Chechnya (news - web sites), according to Russian news agencies who quoted Russian federal forces in the northern Caucasus. "I confirm that Maskhadov was killed in the village of Tolstoi-Yurt," General Ilya Shabalkin, spokesman for the headquarters of Russian troops deployed in the region, was quoted by several Russian news agencies as saying. Shabalkin said there was fighting in the area at the time and said Maskhadov, the president of separatist forces opposed to Russian rule in Chechnya, was hiding in a bunker under a building in the village of Tolstoi Yurt when he was killed. Shabalkin added that Maskhadov's body had been identified but the Russian news agencies said he had provided no further details on the circumstances of the death. Maskhadov has claimed responsibility for a number of attacks against Russian forces in the region and has been blamed by Russia for involvement in many other attacks on non-military targets including the Beslan school hostage massacre last September and a mass hostage-taking at a Moscow theater in 2002. A reminder by IF Moderator: We remind our members that discussing politics is not allowed in IF. We only allow the posting of: - news (at: "you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_forums.gawaher(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/News-f140.html)"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_forums.gawaher(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/News-f140.html)[/url] - articles (at: "you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_forums.gawaher(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/Articles-f127.html)"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_forums.gawaher(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/Articles-f127.html)[/url] Posting any political issue is a violation of IF rules.
  12. Islam In Russia

    MOSCOW. Feb 28 (Interfax) - Moscow attributes great significance to a document by Muslim clerics denying religious and ideological grounds for the actions of extremists, Russian Foreign Ministry ambassador for relations with the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) Veniamin Popov told Interfax on Monday. The Amman Manifesto was released late last year at the initiative of King Abdallah II of Jordan to denounce violence against civilians. The manifesto "accuses extremist organizations of attempts to distort Islam and use this religion for criminal goals," he said. The manifesto is being distributed in all Muslim countries, Russia, Europe, the United States and other nations on behalf of the King of Jordan. Moscow thinks the document is important "from the point of view of Muslim law and interpretation," Popov said. "We want to stress that our attitude to this document is very favorable. The manifesto denies extremists religious and ideological grounds for their crimes. That is the most important thing," he said. "The Islamic world's awareness of the need for the active fight against international terrorism is growing," he said.
  13. Islam in Chechnya

    I'm not Barayev, but Chechens, or Nokhchi, are a totally separate group from Turks, or other nationalities to this effect. Their language is different and their ethnicity is different. :D
  14. Islam in Chechnya

    And you (I) say Iraq is dangerous...
  15. Islam in Chechnya

    Putin and Chechen leaders (pro-Moscow) don't want talks with Maskhadov for several reasons: 1. Talks will amount to Moscow's recognition of Maskhadov's legitimacy 2. Talks will amount to Moscow admitting its defeat 3. Talks with Maskhadov will alienate Moscow from Alu Alkhanov, Ramzan Kadyrov and other Chechens whose clan has come to power in Chechnya and who now side with Moscow 4. Maskhadov doesn't control all Chechen rebels and cannot speak for all of them I personally would have used the ceasefire offer to start talks and try to end the war, but it seems that ending the war in not in the interests of the elites in Moscow and Grozny.* As you probably know. the new Chechen leadership, led by Alkhanov, are negotiating a political and, more important, economic agreement with the Russian Federation (of which Chechnya is an integral part). The agreement would give Chechnya more authority in the economic sphere especially, especially ways to sell its oil and use proceeds to rebuild the war-ravaged republic (but also to steal a lot of money in the process :D *I'm not yet in power
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