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False premises.

1. The 'bullet on the spot' option was used extensively in the east.

Any source? What about gas chambers? Nazi policy of extermination, six million etc?

 

2. Have you heard of 'backloading'? Trains heading back into Germany would have tended to be under-used compared with the trains heading out of Germany. Giving them work to do IS efficient.

Some evidence will be appreciated

 

3. The 'rounding up' mainly occurred in areas where the population were allies or otherwise subdued. Why risk uprisings when lies can keep the population happy?

Keep the population happy?

 

4. The camps began as slave labour camps until The Final Solution. The infrastructure was in place - much more efficient to keep using it rather than having to create a new system.

So, it was a death camp or slave labor camps? The swimming pook looks nice

 

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Wassalam,

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And can you prove that the prisoners were allowed anywhere near that pool, Yasnov? Besides, it is a fact that Nazis set up fake camps or parts of camps that they would allow the red cross to visit in order to fool them. Next....

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Salamz

 

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I'm not sure what this is uppose to prove...Jews make typos?

2 million dead people never answer their roll call?

It's not like people can go ask a magic spirit about the exact deathtoll of a catastrophe.

I mean even if 1 million were killed ..it's still holocuaust.

And if they figures were all made up , then how can the master mind jews who can fool the entire world can't even get their number staright?

 

You use this kind of argument when it suits you, don't you? ; ) Rather hypocritical and inconsistent attitude to me ... I thought you were so much into logics and evidence ... not hearsay.

What's with the Whinning ? you believe in God and Quaran right so If I refrence them whats wrong with that? :sl:

 

Let me cut to the chase here.. Behind every crime there is a motive. What's the motive of faking holocaust ?

Ethnic cleancsing is a reality...Unless you claim that Hitler loved Jews and believed in racial equality, I am not sure how you going to prove anything.

 

Peace

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Any source? What about gas chambers? Nazi policy of extermination, six million etc?

 

You have misunderstood. I pointed out that your premise that 'bullets on the spot' was not used was incorrect. It was one of the methods of genocide. Source? Try any QUALIFIED historian writing on the Holocaust or WWI in general. David Irving was the only denier-historian (although he wasn't actually academically much good - he wrote popular histories) but is now completely discredited. Even the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis (who make up the bulk of the denier community) don't much like him any more.

 

Some evidence will be appreciated

 

Evidence that the Nazis and their quislings rounded up Jews to be sent to concentration camps? Are you actually denying that this happened?

 

Keep the population happy?

 

Yes. Why would the nazis have slaughterd the Jews of Italy or France or Holland or Belgium or ... when those countries were relatively calm and functional? It would have risked insurrection. Much easier to say that the Jews were being shipped off for holidays in Auschwitz.

 

 

So, it was a death camp or slave labor camps?

 

Both. You seem to have trouble with situations that aren't black or white.

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Thanks for the quote. Can you tell me what specifically Churchill felt was "the most horrible crime ever committed in the whole history of the world"?

 

 

 

Prime Minister to Foreign Secretary 11 July 44

 

There is no doubt that this [persecution of Jews in Hungary and

their expulsion from enemy territory] is probably the greatest and

most horrible crime ever committed in the whole history of the

world, and it has been done by scientific machinery by nominally

civilized men in the name of a great State and one of the leading

races of Europe. It is quite clear that all concerned in this crime

who may fall into our hands, including the people who only obeyed

orders by carrying out the butcheries, should be put to death after

their association with the murders has been proved.

 

I cannot therefore feel that this is the kind of ordinary case

which is put through the Protecting Power, as, for instance, the

lack of feeding or sanitary conditions in some particular prisoners'

camp. There should therefore, in my opinion, be no negotiations of

any kind on this subject. Declarations should be made in public, so

that everyone connected with it will be hunted down and put to

death.

 

[Winston S. Churchill, The Second World War: Triumph and Tragedy,

Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston, 1953, page 693]

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And can you prove that the prisoners were allowed anywhere near that pool, Yasnov? Besides, it is a fact that Nazis set up fake camps or parts of camps that they would allow the red cross to visit in order to fool them.

Are we talking bout "Holocaust" the hoax or Holocaust the movie?

 

Next....

What does this next mean here? :sl:

 

I mean even if 1 million were killed ..it's still holocuaust.

Yes, to either a Zionist slave, or a racist. Gypsies were rounded up and put into camps years before the Jews. It occurred at the height of Jewish power in German history. And no Jews in Germany spoke out against the practice. And not to mention the 66 million Russian gentiles who suffered under the Jewish led Bolshevik holocaust ...

 

The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people? (See Note 1).

 

Following the rise of Hitler there were no more than 4 million Jews at most living in areas occupied by the Third Reich at the height of its power. Yet on June 30, 1965, the West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The International Red Cross had already reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no more than 300,000 could have died, and their audit to December 31, 1984 records a total 282,077 registered deaths of all internees in all German Concentration Camps from all causes.

 

And if they figures were all made up , then how can the master mind jews who can fool the entire world can't even get their number staright?

I don't understand what you meant by this question. Why don't you go back to my previous post and address this?

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What's with the Whinning ? you believe in God and Quaran right so If I refrence them whats wrong with that?

Your reference wasn't even accurate ... and btw, it's different, because I caught them lying on so many things, and they can't hide their lies just by saying "Bcaz God works in mysterious way .." . Try harder next time ...

 

Prime Minister to Foreign Secretary 11 July 44

 

There is no doubt that this [persecution of Jews in Hungary and

their expulsion from enemy territory] is probably the greatest and

most horrible crime ever committed in the whole history of the

world, and it has been done by scientific machinery by nominally

civilized men in the name of a great State and one of the leading

races of Europe.

Where did it mention about the intent of complete genocide towards European Jewry, homicidal gas chamber and the 6 million figure?

 

Wassalam,

Y

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Yes, to either a Zionist slave, or a racist. Gypsies were rounded up and put into camps years before the Jews..

I want to make sure I get this right..Are you saying that killing 1 million Jews can only be a holocaust to either a Zionist Slave or a racist? :sl: .

Not sure what's the point of mentioning Gypsies, Ethnic cleansing is wrong no matter if its Jews, hobbits or bunch of retards.

 

Your reference wasn't even accurate ... and btw, it's different, because I caught them lying on so many things, and they can't hide their lies just by saying "Bcaz God works in mysterious way .." .

It's accurate enough to get my point across, which was that if God can protect Moses from the Pharoah guy, then he can save a detained Nazi. Question 1 answered.

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Are we talking bout "Holocaust" the hoax or Holocaust the movie?

 

Are you going to address the statements or brush me off with a non-sequitur one-liner?

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Jewish lead Bolshevik Revolution? I thought the Soviets ended up persecuting the Jews.

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Jewish lead Bolshevik Revolution? I thought the Soviets ended up persecuting the Jews.

Jews are funny that way...

 

btw, that is a strange signature. Who is it quoting?

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I want to make sure I get this right..Are you saying that killing 1 million Jews can only be a holocaust to either a Zionist Slave or a racist? :sl: .

There were countless victims during wars. But it is only a zionist slave and a racist who thinks that all those million death of innocents are not worth a Jewish fingernail

 

Not sure what's the point of mentioning Gypsies, Ethnic cleansing is wrong no matter if its Jews, hobbits or bunch of retards.

Keep pretending ... then, why no memorials for the victims of racism as in the Bolshevik Revolution? Why no Hollywood tearjerkers? Why is this not taught in schools? Why wasn't there an apology from israel? Why don't they even mention this? Why were their no reparations paid?

 

It's accurate enough to get my point across, which was that if God can protect Moses from the Pharoah guy, then he can save a detained Nazi. Question 1 answered.

What does a detained Nazi mean? Anyway, I hope you will not make it a habit to use "Bcaz God works in mysterious way .." argument every time someone shows you the conflicting evidence and reality.

 

Jewish lead Bolshevik Revolution? I thought the Soviets ended up persecuting the Jews.

The Bolshevik Revolution was a Jewish revolution. 271 of the 286 Commissars where Jewish. The Wall Street bankers, including Jacob Schiff, who funded it were all Jewish. Leon Trotsky, who organized it, was Jewish. 260 assassins, who were trained in NYC, who were dispatched were all Jewish. Virtually all who ran the death camps were Jewish.

 

Wassalam,

Y

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There were countless victims during wars. But it is only a zionist slave and a racist who thinks that all those million death of innocents are not worth a Jewish fingernail

 

Since nobody thinks that, it would seem to be a red herring. You must recognize that an argument is a weak one when it is based on a completely imagined statement. As for the rest of your post, it seems to be based on this fundamental fallacy:

 

The Bolshevik Revolution was a Jewish revolution.

 

Was it based on jewish Ideals? Was it made up primarily of jews? If not, then how can it be called a jewish revolution? During the time of the Bolshevik revolution, jews only made up 5.20% of the party membership. Most of the jews and all of those at a high level within the organization had renounced their jewishness. Take this quote from Vladimir Burtsev, enemy of the Bolsheviks and their first political prisoner:

 

"Antisemites... refused to acknowledge the important and indisputable fact that the Jews who participated in the Socialist and Anarchist movements around the world, including the Russian Jews in particular, were renegades of the Jewish nation who had no connection with Jewish history nor with Jewish religion nor with Jewish masses, but were rather exclusively internationalists, promoting the ideas shared by Socialists of other ethnicities, and were hostile to the Jewish nation in general."

 

Considering that jews were very violently persecuted shortly after the revolution ended, it is silly to call the revolution a jewish one. There were many jews in high places, but as Burtsev said, they were jewish in ethnicity alone. Jewish communists fought vigorously to repress the Zionist party throughout russia. They also forcibly evicted rabbis all across the country and dissolved jewish communities.

 

If anyone finds it strange that there were so many jews in the bolshevik revolution, think about it. The jews had just come out of one of the worst repressions in their history, the jewish pogroms. So of course they naturally would be active in any anti-czarist organization. The jewish workers party and the zionist party were both anti-czarist, but they weren't affiliated with the bolsheviks.

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Salamz

There were countless victims during wars. But it is only a zionist slave and a racist who thinks that all those million death of innocents are not worth a Jewish fingernail.

:no: ..Right..The Jews are responsible for all the war victims/collateral damage since ancient times..This makes much more sense...plus u answered my questions :sl:

new word to look up straw man argument, and I'm going to start providing links..U welcome . :j:

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Keep pretending ... then, why no memorials for the victims of racism as in the Bolshevik Revolution? Why no Hollywood tearjerkers? Why is this not taught in schools? Why wasn't there an apology from israel? Why don't they even mention this? Why were their no reparations paid?

You must have me confused with the President of the world affairs, but let me guess....because of Jews? :sl:

What does a detained Nazi mean?

It's a typo, I meant to say a Nazi detainee or Victim.. like Jews.

 

The Bolshevik Revolution was a Jewish revolution. 271 of the 286 Commissars where Jewish. The Wall Street bankers, including Jacob Schiff, who funded it were all Jewish. Leon Trotsky, who organized it, was Jewish. 260 assassins, who were trained in NYC, who were dispatched were all Jewish. Virtually all who ran the death camps were Jewish.

Reading all this..I feel like a dirty Jew, but yeah I'm done here, one too many conspiracy theories for me to handle.

 

peace

Edited by llogical

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:sl:

 

Just a little off topic here

why is that when there is a conspiracy theory against Zionists all the non Muslims act like its some kind of joke (and in fact it might be)

but when conspiracy theory about Muslims come out the same people act like its 100% true?

why the double standard?

does any of this sound familiar?

-they hate us for our freedom

-the Muslims are trying to take over Europe, North America, Mars, etc

-All Muslims are trained by birth to kill

 

all the above are unfounded conspiracy theories but it seems like people just shut off their critical thinking portions of their brains when it involves Muslims (which I can probably argue is due to underlying racism, but thats for another time)

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Salamz

 

why is that when there is a conspiracy theory against Zionists all the non Muslims act like its some kind of joke (and in fact it might be)

but when conspiracy theory about Muslims come out the same people act like its 100% true?

why the double standard?

does any of this sound familiar?

Doesn't sound familiar to me, but ....atleast we are now getting more generalizations :sl:

I blame the Jew :sl:

 

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Since nobody thinks that, it would seem to be a red herring. You must recognize that an argument is a weak one when it is based on a completely imagined statement.

I have no idea why you consider yourself as a Zionist slave or racist, or are you? ; )

I am not specifically talking bout you or llogical

 

Was it based on jewish Ideals? Was it made up primarily of jews? If not, then how can it be called a jewish revolution?

Did they cease having Jewish identity? Please open Revelation Chapter 2 Verse 9 and Revelation Chapter 3 Verse 9

 

Considering that jews were very violently persecuted shortly after the revolution ended, it is silly to call the revolution a jewish one. There were many jews in high places, but as Burtsev said, they were jewish in ethnicity alone.

In a blink of an eye, you made them the victims here. Good job, but typical ....

 

If anyone finds it strange that there were so many jews in the bolshevik revolution, think about it. The jews had just come out of one of the worst repressions in their history, the jewish pogroms. So of course they naturally would be active in any anti-czarist organization.

The vast majority of Russian Jews were sympathizers and active participants of the revolution

 

Wassalam,

Y

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I have a better idea .

 

Let's just all re-write history to our own liking .

 

This way , every political point under the sun , will make sense to everyone .

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^^^ Truthiness.

 

In a blink of an eye, you made them the victims here. Good job, but typical ....

 

All people who identified themselves with a certain religious or ethnic group were harshly persecuted under Soviet rule. I'm simply informing you that the jews were no exception.

 

The vast majority of Russian Jews were sympathizers and active participants of the revolution

 

In my country, it is common practice to back up weighty claims with facts or evidence...

 

As for Omar, he may have a fair point. I can only speak for myself, I don't believe in any of that nonsense.

Edited by Russ of Vespuccia

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I have a better idea .

Let's just all re-write history to our own liking .

Thanks, but no thanks. Just keep your habit to yourself. But I find your mentality kinda interesting ...

 

new word to look up straw man argument, and I'm going to start providing links..U welcome . :sl:

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Who is using straw man argument, me or you?

 

You must have me confused with the President of the world affairs

Nope, you are not the President of the world affairs, you are just a Gentile.

 

It's a typo, I meant to say a Nazi detainee or Victim.. like Jews.

You are using one Moses in your comparison, not countless Moses

 

Reading all this..I feel like a dirty Jew, but yeah I'm done here, one too many conspiracy theories for me to handle.

You can't be a dirty Jew. Dirty Gentile?

 

Wassalam,

Y

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All people who identified themselves with a certain religious or ethnic group were harshly persecuted under Soviet rule. I'm simply informing you that the jews were no exception.

Well, according to one public opinion survey conducted in 1991, most Russians wanted all Jews to leave the country. Do you know why it is so?

 

In my country, it is common practice to back up weighty claims with facts or evidence...

If you don't know that the vast majority of Russian Jews were sympathizers and active participants of the revolution, then I think the schools in your country have failed you.

 

Wassalam,

Y

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Well, according to one public opinion survey conducted in 1991, most Russians wanted all Jews to leave the country. Do you know why it is so?

 

Show me the survey.

 

If you don't know that the vast majority of Russian Jews were sympathizers and active participants of the revolution, then I think the schools in your country have failed you.

 

Yet you continue to fail to back up your assertions with any kind of evidence. Unless of course, you are simply going along with what you were taught in school.

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Salamz

Who is using straw man argument, me or you?

If you crossrerence the, you'll see it fro yourself :sl:

You are using one Moses in your comparison, not countless Moses

It's all the same for God ..point is if he can save 1, he can save many.

I addressed the first point in your list..to reiterate..

-When you say "How can so many Jews escape from concentration camps"?

Point to be noted is not how but if it's possible to do that?

I've shown that it is possible to do so when u add God to the equation.

I references Moses and Abraham stories how God can preserve who he wants from any harm

It Doesn't matter If I believe in God or Not, becasue you do so you can't ignore the possibility.

Hence the solution to #1 question B)

You can't be a dirty Jew. Dirty Gentile?

I can so totally be one, don't doubt the capabilities of human beans (im hungry).

Picture me wearring a Yameka planning global domination, and stabbing Muslims in the back while blaming it on Christians :no:.

Now ur turn, imagine urself as a rationalist ... but don't get too carried away and delte ur first post...fun stuff :sl:

 

Peace

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"dirty jew " ? Yasnov ?

Besides , YOU don't have 28 questions , the author , an Italian and obvious anti-semite posed the 28 questions .

AND , there is only ONE question , did the holocaust happen or not ?, forget about how YOU feel about jews . The answer is not opinion , it is historical , and Gen. Eisenhower knowing full well that there would be "denyers " for whatever reasons , made sure it was duly recorded .

And the rreason he did that was , because it was a "systematic intent to wipe out a particular people " .

 

There was no israel therefore no false claims to get sympathy from the woprld for a country you hate to see . Arabs and muslims were totally inconsequential during WW 2 , so there was no one trying to "out-sympathize " arabs and muslims .

 

It is all a matter of record , recorded by the Soviets , Allies , and the Germans themselves .

 

Holocaust Denial , remains in the domain of jew haters , anti-semites , and unfortunately is being adopted and used by muslims and arabs to support arguments against the formation of the state of israel . For arabs and muslims feel the jews are getting and have gotten an unfair amount of sympathy due to the Holocaust , therefore you must contend that it was exagerated or in some cases -didn't happen at all .

 

This is revisionism with a purpose , for the films , documents , eye-witnesses , artifacts , and the meticulous German Records themselves attest to the Holocaust , and all of this gathered before the formation of israel , and idea that the Allies and the Soviets were not even concerned with in any way .

So the documentation was done on an objective basis .

 

If you've got a problem with israel , that's one thing , but to distort or deny history to support your complaint is simply dishonest , morally and intellectually .

 

 

So . "YOUR PROBLEM " with the holocaust , is one of your own invention , and has nothing to do with whether it actually happened , and more to do with your personal feelings towards the existence of the israeli State .

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As usual, I can count on Makko for a passionate rebuttal. :sl:

 

 

"Passionate " ?????

 

It's just history man . And your butt must be getting awfull sore from sitting on the fence there , Russ ole' boy .

 

You know what this is all about Russ . It's all about muslims minimizing the Holocaust in order to bolster their millenia old beef with the jews , and to try to get some sympathy for their position on destroying israel .

 

You just aint got the balls to say it ......you'd rather be a patronizing sychophant .

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