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If you claim opposite to be true, then why are you fighting over allocation of troops and resources in Afghanistan? Why do we see the element of frustration in your ideal peacekeepers after sensing visible signs of defeat? Th NATO is blaming US that they are sitting peacefully in the east, while Americans are blaming NATO for not eliminating Talibans in south and the blame game goes on. This occurs when a force is experiencing frustration after having been failed to carry out its assigned task.
The frustration is in trying to make sense of the medieval mind and the assigned task of turning a pig's ear into a silk purse is clearly impossible. Why haven't the glorious and fearless Taliban crushed the infidel invaders? Why haven't the Afghan's themselves risen up and vanquished the imperialist oppressors?

 

Again I see no relevance of Falluja with Afghanistan. Anyway, since you are claiming a rosy picture about Falluja, go through the contents of this article:

 

Return to Fallujah

Independent. Uk

Monday, 28 January 2008

Three years after the devastating US assault, our correspondent enters besieged Iraqi city left without clean water, electricity and medicine.Its streets, with walls pock-marked with bullets and buildings reduced to a heap of concrete slabs, still look as if the fighting had finished only a few weeks ago.The doctors said that they were tending their patients as best they could. "The Americans provide us with nothing," said one mother who was cradling a child. "They bring us only destruction."

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There are many other postings tell a quite different story. Why hasn't the Iraqi government and the people of Fallujah themselves been able to rebuild by now? Waiting for handouts from the infidels?

 

Again, we have the pig's ear issue; Fallujah wasn't Geneva before the attack and it never will be, so a little realism is in order. Had the locals taken care of business, we'd have never had to come and do it for them and wreck the place in the process. Cowardice has a price and the minority who benefited greatly from Saddam's reign of terror shouldn't complain too loudly lest the majority who suffered greatly hear them.

 

 

 

I see you conveniently avoided the topics that you obviously find uncomfortable. So when do you suppose the Muslim armies will invade

Sudan and kill the Arab Muslims that are slaughtering Christians and animists in Darfur?

 

 

Wass salami,

 

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The frustration is in trying to make sense of the medieval mind and the assigned task of turning a pig's ear into a silk purse is clearly impossible. Why haven't the glorious and fearless Taliban crushed the infidel invaders? Why haven't the Afghan's themselves risen up and vanquished the imperialist oppressors?

 

 

1. The medieval minds have proved their worth, as evident from your own sources but your ideal peacekeepers couldn't, despite having been equipped with everything, soldiers can wish for.

 

Do you know why?

 

Because your soldiers are not trained to fight insurgency battles. The West should have trained them before sending them to Afghanistan, where they are earning nothing but humiliation.

 

 

Canada threatens to pull soldiers from Afghanistan[using large font size is not allowed]

 

 

Jan 28, 2008

 

 

OTTAWA(Reuters) - Canada will pull its 2,500 troops out of Afghanistan early next year unless NATO sends in significant reinforcements, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Monday, signaling Ottawa has lost patience with what it sees as foot-dragging by allies.[using large font size is not allowed]

 

Harper, who is exasperated at the refusal of many other NATO nations to commit more troops to Afghanistan, said the Alliance's failure to provide enough forces meant the whole future of the organization was under serious threat.

 

"NATO's reputation is on the line here [using large font size is not allowed]... all the increasing evidence suggests that NATO's efforts in Afghanistan as a whole are not adequate.

 

 

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Do you know why are other countries reluctant to invest any further in Afghanistan?

 

 

Because, the first principle of military strategy is:-

 

 

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Quite effectively destroyed your pathetic fairytale of jihadi bravery and kuffar cowardice when the opposite is obviously true.

Guerilla is a tactic, it's not a cowardice. Coward will never fight in the first place. If you want to know what a cowardice really is, look at the US.

 

They are what they are because it's all they're capable of, no matter how much we wish it weren't so. Put a fence around them and leave them be.

You are whining again ...

 

On Al Jazeera no doubt.

In Haditha, Memories of a Massacre

Iraqi Townspeople Describe Slaying of 24 Civilians by Marines in Nov. 19 Incident

 

By Ellen Knickmeyer

Washington Post Foreign Service

Saturday, May 27, 2006; Page A01

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Better question: why did they run away and not stay to fight the infidels for Allah?

It's strategy ...

 

Big mistake, I agree. If we were only dropping bombs, why didn't we just turn Fallujah into a smoking hole and kill everybody without risking any soldiers or Marines?

Well then, it would be too obvious to everyone how evil the US really is. Devil are more subtle than that ...

 

And my question still stands: would Muslims ever kill large numbers of other Muslims to stop them from continuing killing kuffar after being silent for too long?

Since you are repeating this over and over again, I wonder how many Christians were killed by Christians in Yugoslavia?

 

Then why haven't they turned, en masse, against the Allies? If someone were to invade the US, in addition to the military, they'd face 300 million armed citizens.

They feared of being labeled terrorist and shot maybe

 

Go to LinkTV"dot"org and you'll see that it's a third-world cheerleader that has nothing but bad things to say about the US and the West generally

Well, those women also say that they were freed by the Taliban from warlords and rapers ...

 

Wassalam,

Y

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Why haven't the glorious and fearless Taliban crushed the infidel invaders? Why haven't the Afghan's themselves risen up and vanquished the imperialist oppressors?

You go to war and then whine when you find out that the party that you fought are using guerilla tactics ...?

 

Why hasn't the Iraqi government and the people of Fallujah themselves been able to rebuild by now? Waiting for handouts from the infidels?

To rebuild people need stability, legal certainty and security. You sound like a five year old kid.

 

Had the locals taken care of business, we'd have never had to come and do it for them and wreck the place in the process.

You are whining again ...

 

So when do you suppose the Muslim armies will invade Sudan and kill the Arab Muslims that are slaughtering Christians and animists in Darfur?

Well, if it is so, why there is no any news about it today (Muslims slaughtering Christians and animists)? What were Christians doing in Rwanda?

 

Wassalam,

Y

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1. The medieval minds have proved their worth, as evident from your own sources but your ideal peacekeepers couldn't, despite having been equipped with everything, soldiers can wish for.
Except for natives that are civilized human beings that would stand up for themselves with a little assistance. A shame really. A virtual fence that forever banishes them to the barren, desolate wasteland they call home is what's really called for since a modern, civilized existence is clearly FAR beyond their capabilities.

 

Do you know why?
Actually I do, and if we followed the current doctrine during WWII, Europeans would all be speaking German right now.

 

Because your soldiers are not trained to fight insurgency battles. The West should have trained them before sending them to Afghanistan, where they are earning nothing but humiliation.
What Allied tactics would you suggest might be effective in transforming a Bronze Age society into a 16th Century feudal society (a modern civilized society is yet millenia away for them)? Maybe we should switch tactics and become more brutal than the Taliban to make the populace more afraid of us that they are of them. That might stiffen a few spines finally.

 

Do you know why are other countries reluctant to invest any further in Afghanistan?
Because they've been relying on the US for so long that they no longer have effective militaries that can project any meaningful force abroad. The entire EU doesn't have the military capacity of the US Marine Corps.

 

 

So when will those Muslim armies be marching into Darfur to kill the Arab Muslims that have been slaughtering kuffar by the hundreds of thousands?

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Guerilla is a tactic, it's not a cowardice. Coward will never fight in the first place.
Cowardice is singing like a bird as did KSM and al Libbi, or hiding in a cave while exhorting others to give their lives for the cause. Shooting from a Masjid would also qualify as cowardice.

 

If you want to know what a cowardice really is, look at the US.
You mean the US that's kicking the crap out of your heroes all over the place?

 

You are whining again ...
Truth hurts obviously if that's the best you can do....

 

In Haditha, Memories of a Massacre

Iraqi Townspeople Describe Slaying of 24 Civilians by Marines in Nov. 19 Incident

 

By Ellen Knickmeyer

Washington Post Foreign Service

Saturday, May 27, 2006; Page A01

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The subject was Fallujah. BTW, these guys are facing hard time for this disgraceful behaviour, which we in the civilized world denounce and punish while you and your ilk cheer the barbarity of your cowardly heroes whenever they manage to kill a bunch of civilians or behead some defenseless schoolgirls like your friends there in Indonesia did. Allah must be very proud.

 

It's strategy ...
It's cowardice, pure and simple. You know it and we know it. But Zarqueeri got his virgins the old fashioned way, courtesy of a Maverick missile. :sl:

 

Well then, it would be too obvious to everyone how evil the US really is. Devil are more subtle than that ...
Why would we care what anyone thinks.

 

Since you are repeating this over and over again, I wonder how many Christians were killed by Christians in Yugoslavia?
I repeat it because apparently no one will actually say out loud what we all know the answer to be. One more time: would Muslims ever kill large numbers of other Muslims to stop them from continuing killing kuffar after being silent for too long? Pretty simple question, no?

 

They feared of being labeled terrorist and shot maybe
300 million Americans wouldn't be concerned about that if we were in their position and opposed the invaders. Perhaps they're just cowards that deserve to be kicked around by the Talibunnies.

 

Well, those women also say that they were freed by the Taliban from warlords and rapers ...
And Hitler got the trains to run on time. Who were these rapers and warlords? Lithuanians? Episcopalians? Martians? The indigenous subhuman garbage native to the region? On balance, it appeared that most of the women who managed to speak freely loathed the Taliban.

 

 

Was salami,

D

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You go to war and then whine when you find out that the party that you fought are using guerilla tactics ...?
Truth hurts, huh?

 

To rebuild people need stability, legal certainty and security.
And what exactly is preventing all of these things? Sun spots? Martians? The indigenous barbarians that can't even manage a civilized society ith the help of the most powerful nation in the history of the planet?

 

You sound like a five year old kid.
Sucks getting schooled by a 5 year old, huh?

 

You are whining again ...
You're showing that you have no coherent response again. I now the truth is humiliating, but you'll need to get over it.

 

Well, if it is so, why there is no any news about it today (Muslims slaughtering Christians and animists)?
Google "Darfur 2008" and you'll get plenty of hits. Why didn't the Muslim armies intervene in 2003? 2004? 2005? 2006? 2007? Ever? Anywhere?

 

What were Christians doing in Rwanda?
Not enough, clearly. But then again, the West must respect various cultures and not unilaterally impose themselves on these noble civilizations by force. Who are we to judge them, right?

 

Wass salami,

D

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Truth hurts, huh?

Guerrilla tactics hurt you ...

 

And what exactly is preventing all of these things?

Occupations which results in divisions in the society

 

Sucks getting schooled by a 5 year old, huh?

So, you are a 5 year old kid, or is it that you are just thinking like a 5 year old?

 

Google "Darfur 2008" and you'll get plenty of hits.

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Which one?

 

Why didn't the Muslim armies intervene in 2003? 2004? 2005? 2006? 2007? Ever? Anywhere?

I also wondered why the UN didn't intervene there ...

 

Not enough, clearly.

You claimed that Christian armies intervene in Yugoslavia to stop their Christian murderers from slaughtering there. Why didn't they intervene in Rwanda?

 

Wassalam,

Y

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Cowardice is singing like a bird as did KSM and al Libbi

Why is singing like a bird considered a sign of cowardice?

 

or hiding in a cave while exhorting others to give their lives for the cause.

If US troops may hide in their tanks and military bases, why not them?

 

Shooting from a Masjid would also qualify as cowardice.

Who shot from a Masjid?

 

You mean the US that's kicking the crap out of your heroes all over the place?

Who are my heroes? So far, the US only kicked their own butt

 

The subject was Fallujah

Read your post #24 again.

 

BTW, these guys are facing hard time for this disgraceful behaviour, which we in the civilized world denounce and punish while you and your ilk cheer the barbarity of your cowardly heroes

Can we just have a normal discussion without your trying to accuse me of this and that?

 

I repeat it because apparently no one will actually say out loud what we all know the answer to be. One more time: would Muslims ever kill large numbers of other Muslims to stop them from continuing killing kuffar after being silent for too long? Pretty simple question, no?

I don't like a game of imagination. If you have an example, please point it out to me

 

300 million Americans wouldn't be concerned about that if we were in their position and opposed the invaders.

We're talking bout Afghans, not Americans

 

On balance, it appeared that most of the women who managed to speak freely loathed the Taliban.

Yes, it appeared to you. So what?

 

Wassalam,

Y

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U.S. to press NATO for more troops for Afghanistan

 

 

Tue Jan 29

 

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon said on Tuesday it will press NATO's European members to send more troops to Afghanistan's violent south in response to a call from Canada for reinforcements, but Washington will not boost its force there.

 

U.S. defense officials too have regularly complained about the unwillingness of European allies to dedicate more combat troops and equipment to Afghanistan, where Taliban violence has steadily climbed for more than two years.

 

The United States has 29,000 troops in Afghanistan and earlier this month said it would add 3,200 Marines to that war zone. Morrell said 2,200 of those would be sent to Afghanistan's violent south, which includes Kandahar.

 

"That's as much and as deep as we're going at this point," Morrell said.

 

Asked if the Pentagon was considering an additional deployment following Canada's call, Morrell said, "No."

 

"We've done, as I made clear, what we can do," he said.

 

 

 

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:sl:

 

Nice to see good ol fashionAmerican racism is alive and well.

And Deiter is using the classical American racist template perfectly, which is:

-Whenever there is a problem, which is almost always caused by Americans in the first place, the people/politicians will make a scapegoat out of race X (X= Native americans, Blacks, Japanese, Muslims, etc)

- Mass amounts of racism is focused at race X, and race X is turned into the evil uncivilized people who's very existence is an affront to humanity itself.

-If very very lucky then race X gets away with a few lynchings and segregated buses, but usually race X is killed on mass with the cheers and applauds of the American people.

-rince and repeat

 

It worked for Natives, blacks, Japanese, Germans, so why not also apply it to the Muslims

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Half-trained troops to fight the Taleban

 

From The Times

January 31, 2008

 

 

Nearly 1,000 new army recruits face having their combat training cut by half so that they can be rushed to the battlefields of Afghanistan. The “exceptional†measure is being proposed by senior officers to meet a serious shortage in manpower.

 

The Army has been facing serious manning shortfalls for some time. The controversial proposal has emerged as the Government plans to announce today the next rotation of troops to Afghanistan. Although recruitment has been improving in recent months, there has been a steady rise in the number of officers and other ranks leaving the Service early.

 

 

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Afghan war may not be forgotten so easily

 

 

From The Times

January 31, 2008

 

 

 

Afghanistan risks becoming “the forgotten war†and a failed state beyond retrieval because of deteriorating international support and a growing violent insurgency, according to a distinguished independent panel in the US.

 

Support for the conflict in coalition countries is wavering. A recent report to the Canadian Parliament was striking for its resentment that the US had not always appreciated the role of its forces, which were involved in some of the fiercest fighting.

 

Tension is unsurprising because the US feels that the allies could do more. Gates said yesterday that he agreed with the argument that more troops were needed, “but certainly not oursâ€.

 

 

 

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Germany rejects US demand to increase Afghan deployment

 

Independent. UK

2 February 2008

 

A bitter diplomatic row between Germany and the United States deepened yesterday after Berlin flatly rejected demands from Washington that it deploy troops in war-torn southern Afghanistan and angrily dismissed the request as "impertinent" and a "fantastic cheek".

 

Washington had stepped up pressure on Berlin to commit troops to the south.

 

The move followed increased Taliban attacks and threats from Canada that it would withdraw its Afghanistan contingent completely unless more Nato troops were sent south.

 

Two US non-governmental studies released this week warned that Afghanistan could once again become a failed state.

 

 

 

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Fall back, men, Afghanistan is a nasty war we can never win

 

 

From The Sunday Times

February 3, 2008

 

 

Every independent report on the Nato-led operation in Afghanistan cries the same message: watch out, disaster beckons. Last week America’s Afghanistan Study Group, led by generals and diplomats of impeccable credentials, reported on “a weakening international resolve and a growing lack of confidenceâ€. An Atlantic Council report was more curt: “Make no mistake, Nato is not winning in Afghanistan.â€

 

A clearly exasperated Robert Gates, the American defence secretary, has broken ranks with the official optimism and committed an extra 3,000 marines to the field, while sending an “unusually stern†note to Germany demanding that its 3,200 troops meet enemy fire. Germany, like France, has rejected that plea. Yet it is urgent since the Canadians have threatened to withdraw from the south if not relieved.

 

An equally desperate Britain is proposing to send half-trained territorials to the front, after its commanders ignored every warning that the Taliban were the toughest fighters on earth.

 

 

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i think the baby killing forces should just go home they are obviously not wanted there so why try acting as if everyone loves you.... and diet boy, the baby killers only went house to house armed with an arsenal big enough to destroy the country, you know the yanks arent man enough to face the brothers squarly... dont ya...?

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"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperilled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperilled in every single battle".

 

 

Sun Tzu circa 500 BCE .

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