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The Byzantine Empire was the greatest ever empire, it may have been in some kind of steady decline since late 11th century AD but it has never been matched for it's culture, architechture, science, literature, technology, philosophy, mathematics.

 

Maybe in Athenian Period but surely not otherwise.

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The Byzantine Empire was the greatest ever empire, it may have been in some kind of steady decline since late 11th century AD but it has never been matched for it's culture, architechture, science, literature, technology, philosophy, mathematics.

 

Maybe in Athenian Period but surely not otherwise.

 

:D

 

What happened to it?

 

Peace

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:D

 

I always believe the spread of Islam is the greatest 'empire' to have been spread.

 

:D

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I always believe the spread of Islam is the greatest 'empire' to have been spread

 

 

thats true.

 

wasalam.

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The Byzantine Empire was the greatest ever empire, it may have been in some kind of steady decline since late 11th century AD but it has never been matched for it's culture, architechture, science, literature, technology, philosophy, mathematics.

 

Maybe in Athenian Period but surely not otherwise.

 

LOL. Look at this dude coming on an "you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.google(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/search?q=Islamic+forum&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official"]Islamic forum[/url] bragging about how the Byzantine Empire was the greatest ever. :D That's just your opinion. Some people might think the British Empire was the greatest ever, and now some people might be thinking that the American Empire will go down in history as the greatest ever. Who cares what people think? Someone can become the most powerful person on earth, but then possibly be the lowest of the low on Judgement Day.

 

Empires have fallen before, and empires may fall again.

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Timeline

 

 

 

476: The Western Empire Falls. The Eastern Empire survives and now is labled as the Byzantine Empire.

526: Justinian's reign begins. He reconquers parts of the fallen Western Empire (Africa and Italy, Spain). He codifies the Previous Roman Laws into one document. Constantinople is the most glorious city in europe, with 500,000 inhabitants. The Hagia Sofia is constructed. Justinian is the last emperor to use the title "Caesar"

568: Lombards invade Italy, eventually taking Northern Italy from the Byzantines.

610: Heraclius becomes emperor. Temporary pocession of Mesopotamia. The theme system is installed. The Empire's language changes to Greek. Eventual Lost of Syria, Palestine, and Egypt to Muslims

693. Muslims attack Constantinople.

690. Loss of North Africa to Muslims.

717-718. A large Muslim force besiege Constantinople by land and sea. The attack is held off.

721. Regains control of Asia Minor from the Muslims

726. Emperor Leo III bans the use of Icons.

800 Charlemagne, king of the Franks, is crowned "Emperor of the Romans" by Pope Leo III in Rome. For the first time in 300 years, there is an emperor of the "East" and an emperor of the "West".

843. The use of Icons is restored.

917. Bulgars under Symeon overrun Thrace. Attacks Constantinople unsucessfully in 924

.941. Prince Igor of Kiev attacks Bithnyia and later attack Constantinople. The Byzantines destroys the Russian fleet.

976. Basil II becomes Emperor. Reconquers Syria in 995. Recoquers Greece from Bulgars in 996. Destroys the Bulgar army in 1014, earning the epithet "Bulgar Slayer."

992. Venetians granted extensive trading rights in the Byzantine Empire

1055. Loss of southern Italy to the Normans.

1071. Defeat at Manzikert to the Seljuk Turks. Permanent loss of most of Asia Minor.

1075. Loss of Syria to Muslims.

1054: The Latin Roman Church and the Greek Orthodox Church excommunicate each other.

1087. Byzantines defeated in Thrace.

1095 Alexius appeals to Urban II at Council of Piacenza for help agaisnt the Turks. The First Crusade is proclaimed at Council of Clermont.

1096 Crusaders arrive at Constantinople.The Crusaders are sucessful, but eventually withdraws from cooperation with the Byzantines.

1121. Reconquest of southwestern Asia Minor.

1179. Byzantine Army defeated by the Suntanate of Rum at Myriokephalon. Hopes of regaining Asia Minor are lost.

1202. Fourth Crusade is assembled at Venice. Captures Constantinople in 1204. The Latin Empire of Constantinople is formed as well as many Byzantine sucessor states. The capture of Constantinople in 1204 was a blow to the Byzantines never fully recovered.

1261 The sucessor state of Nicea recaptures Constantinople and restores the Byzantine Empire.

1453: Fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans. End of the Byzantine Empire

 

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Almost one thousand years isn't a bad run for an empire. Al you didn't seem to highlight that in 721 they regained control of Asia minor from the Muslims. :D I wouldn't go so far as to say it was the greatest empire ever, but I'd put them somewhere on my top 10 list if I had one.

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Dont matter Yank they were annihilated by the muslims :D .

Yes the people certainly were, The Ottomans were too cowardly to fight people, they fought civilians. And you possess very little knowledge of the Empire if you don't understand about the revival from 9th Century to early twelfth century with massive victories over Muslim Armies time and time again. The Greeks also made Constantinople into the greatest city The World has ever known. They built the Agia Sophia. Emperor's Heraclius and Basil II were my favourites. You also fail to mention the consistent uprisings that the Empire had to deal with, and the Muslims didn't defeat Byzantium, the Crusaders did when they sacked the city - That ripped the heart out of the Empire and from that point on it could never recover.

 

Also, name some Ottoman Scientists, Doctors, Mathematicians, Astronomists, Philosophers et al that can ever try to COMPETE with the level of culture from Byzantium. And dont mention all those Arabs who stole all the sciences of the Chinese and the Athenians and attributed it to themselves.

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Also, name some Ottoman Scientists, Doctors, Mathematicians, Astronomists, Philosophers et al that can ever try to COMPETE with the level of culture from Byzantium. And dont mention all those Arabs who stole all the sciences of the Chinese and the Athenians and attributed it to themselves.

Well this will make any debate meaningless as you will simply (and wrongfully) claim that ANY achievement by Muslim scientists was 'stolen' from the Christians...which makes you wonder why these oh-so brilliant Christians never made any use of the knowledge when the Muslims did AND passed this knowledge to the west.

Yes the people certainly were, The Ottomans were too cowardly to fight people, they fought civilians. And you possess very little knowledge of the Empire if you don't understand about the revival from 9th Century to early twelfth century with massive victories over Muslim Armies time and time again. The Greeks also made Constantinople into the greatest city The World has ever known. They built the Agia Sophia. Emperor's Heraclius and Basil II were my favourites. You also fail to mention the consistent uprisings that the Empire had to deal with, and the Muslims didn't defeat Byzantium, the Crusaders did when they sacked the city - That ripped the heart out of the Empire and from that point on it could never recover.

The Crusaders? Would that be the very same Crusaders who claimed to be fighting for Christianity? :D

And the Ottomans annihilated entire armies, not civilians. You can't conquer a people without defeating their armies first and the Ottomans ruled over one of the largest land empires in history.

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The Byzantine Empire was the greatest ever empire, it may have been in some kind of steady decline since late 11th century AD but it has never been matched for it's culture, architechture, science, literature, technology, philosophy, mathematics.

 

Maybe in Athenian Period but surely not otherwise.

 

I think you'll find that many civilisations not only matched, but succeeded the Byzantines in their pursuit of science, literature etc. The Islamic civilisation for one. The egyptions and chinese are 2 other examples.

 

Also, name some Ottoman Scientists, Doctors, Mathematicians, Astronomists, Philosophers et al that can ever try to COMPETE with the level of culture from Byzantium. And dont mention all those Arabs who stole all the sciences of the Chinese and the Athenians and attributed it to themselves

 

Like it or not, the muslims played an important role in the development of science through the ages. Be it astronomy, mathetmatics or algebra, Muslims have taken the knowledge of previous empires, recorded it, and then taken the depth of understanding to a new level. Drawing on the traditions of the Indians, Persians, the ancient Near East and especially the Greeks, the muslims managed to make important advances in numerous areas of science which later proved to be the basis for the European rennisance.

 

To say that they could not match the Byzantines is ludacris, the landmarks achieved by muslim's are well doccumented and surpassed anything the byzantines achieved. You have given a blanket statement with no proof whatsoever - so what exactky did the Byzantines achieve?

 

Did they provide the basis for Algebra? Perhaps the most important breakthrough in the history of mathematics!?

 

Did they construct in-depth astronomical tables?

 

Did they develop triginomotery?

 

How about medical sciences? How many hospitals where there in Muslim controlled spain? How many medical centres were built by the Ottomons? And how many were there In Byzantine?

 

Geology, Physics, Botany, Architecture - the list goes on.

 

Oh...and you wanted names of Muslim Scientists who surpassed Byantine achievements? Heard of Ibn Sina - the great muslim Physician whose work stood as Gospel in Europe for over 6 centuries! - Can any Byzantine match that??...want some more names? - take your pick! : "you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.ummah(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/history/scholars/"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.ummah(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/history/scholars/[/url]

 

And when it comes to Architectual marvels, one need not look further than the acomplishments of the ottomons - the technical know-how needed to build an monument as majestic as the Blue Masjid certainly surpassed what was acheieved by the Byzantines during the consutruction of Haiya Sofiya.

 

So lets talk about culture shall we? How about a culture where peoples from other religions are given prominence, autonomy and important ranks. Or a culture which respected the beliefs of others, learnt from and taught them. Tell me how many civilisations of the time could have surpassed the culture of Spain in its golden Era - when it was in Muslim control!?

 

 

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Having said all that, I am humble enough to recognise that the advances made By western Europeans during the Rennisance and beyond have certainly surpassed anything acheievd by Muslims, greeks or any other civilization!

 

ps...Greek, before you get bogged down in the achievements of Muslims - I want you to give reasons as to why you believe the Byzantines were the greatest.

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:D

 

List Of Islamic Scientists

 

Father of Chemistry: Jabir Ibn Haiyan

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ABU ABDULLAH AL-BATTANI (Astronomy)

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Great Optician: ABU ALI HASAN IBN AL-HAITHAM

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ABU AL-NASR AL-FARABI( Logic, sociology, philosophy)

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Master Physician: ABU MARWAN IBN ZUHR (Averroes)

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Doctor of Doctors: Ibn Sina (Avicenna)

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ALI IBN RABBAN AL-TABARI (Physician , mathematician, sociology)

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Greatest Botanist and Pharmacist of the Middle Ages: IBN AL-BAITAR

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AL-FARGHANI (astronomer)

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Ibn Battuta - The Incredible Traveler

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ABUL HASAN ALI AL-MASU'DI (Traveler)

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Father of Surgery: ABU AL-QASIM AL-ZAHRAVI (Abulcasis)

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ALI IBN RABBAN AL-TABARI (Physician)

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Discoverer of Pulmonary Circulation : IBN AL-NAFIS

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IBN RUSHD (Philosophy ,Logic)

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MOHAMMAD IBN ZAKARIYA AL-RAZI (Chemist, Philosopher)

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One of the Greatest Mathematicians: MOHAMMAD BIN MUSA AL-KHAWARIZMI

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NASIR AL-DIN AL-TUSI ( philosopher, mathematician, astronomer, theologian and physician)

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Thabit Ibn Qurra (mathmatician)

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OMAR AL-KHAYYAM (mathematician, astronomer, philosopher, physician)

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YAQUB IBN ISHAQ AL-KINDI (philosopher, mathematician, physicist, astronomer, physician)

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AL-IDRIS(Botony)

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ABUL WAFA MUHAMMAD AL-BUZJANI (Mathematician)

 

Read about them here :D .

 

"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.famousmuslims(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/scientists.htm"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_www.famousmuslims(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/scientists.htm[/url]

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As-salaamu 'alaikum

 

I do not really think it matters who is the greatest or what the greatest empire is or was, because where are they now and where will they be on the day of judgement when their large empires, vast wealth and huge armies can help them not, all that will matter to them then is their deeds.

 

Was-salaamu 'alaikum

 

abu suhaylah

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:D

 

 

I respect that akhi But thats the way you think if You are a muslim :D , and the person who started this thread is not .

 

Shukran

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As-salaamu 'alaikum

 

Yes, I realise that, so maybe they will reflect.

 

Was-salaamu 'alaikum

 

abu suhaylah

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Salaam

 

Through all ages, peoples and civilisation have come up with ideas, taken ideas from others and expanded on it.

 

This isnt exactly the greatest of debates :D

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Byzantine Architechts, Scientists, Historians, Mathematicians and Doctors

 

Isidore of Miletus

 

Stephanus of Byzantium

 

Anna Comnena

 

Evagrius Scholasticus

 

George Pachymeres

 

George Syncellus

 

Nicephorus Gregoras

 

Joannes Sonaras

 

John Malalas

 

John Xiphilinus

 

Kedrenos

 

Michael Psellus the Younger

 

Theophanes

 

Anthemius of Tralles

 

George Gemistos Plethon

 

Theodore Metochita

 

Proclus

 

Simplicius of Cilicia

 

Michael Choniates

 

Manuel Moschopulus

 

Laonicus Chalcondyles

 

(And thats just a few - From one period of Greek History).

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Salaam

 

Through all ages, peoples and civilisation have come up with ideas, taken ideas from others and expanded on it. 

 

This isnt exactly the greatest of debates :D

 

:D PTJ_MrQ

 

I agree this is not the best of debates.

 

The Byzantine Empire produced some great architecture, advanced mathematics, medicine, science and learning.

 

So did other Empires, not least The Ottaman Empire.

 

There is also the cross fertilization of different ideas from empire to empire.

 

There is also the consideration of how 'ordinary' people lived.

 

Peace

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:D dear muslims

 

Well according to my sources just before Ottamans captured constantinople the people there were very oppressed. and all Tax Money went to the emperor And actually welcomed the Ottaman empire.

 

That was Liberation.

 

you cant actually call Ottaman empire bad if u say some ottaman leaders were bad. Truth is most of them were proborbally good.

 

We dont say Russian People are all evil because of what Lenin, Stalin did, and what Yelstin and Putin are doing now

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