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Everyone wants to see the suffering of the Palestinian people end, but (other than prayer) no-one is proposing any realistic plan on how that might be achieved. Urging the the Palestinians to hang on until the US is no longer a world power and then the Muslim states might be able to destroy israel is not a realistic plan.

 

So, realistically, does anyone have any ideas? Here's mine:

 

Given that convincing the US public that the US government must force israel to change its policy is the only way that israel will change its policy, and given that using violence against the US public makes it absolutely certain that the US will support israel more strongly, OBL and the rest have to go out of business. No exceptions. If helping the Palestinians is the goal, then terrorism, ( or 'armed resistence') has to cease.

 

Yes, this is 'shameful', yes, this hurts their macho-romantic self-image. But if they want to actually achieve anything, it has to happen.

 

Accept that it is going to take time. Probably generations. That's not pleasant but it's reality. And yes, israel will probably take more land and kill more innocents along the way, but if you want a solution you have to accept that. It isn't like you have any choice - israel will take land and kill innocents whatever happens.

 

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LOL! So, despite all this wailing and gnashing of teeth, no-one actually has any realistic plan to solve the Palestinian situation? Let's hope that Muslim leaders aren't similarly bereft iof ideas.

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israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press of June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

 

On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Khazar from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a Masjid. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane"). Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against 'goyim,' a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5). Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5). Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

 

ZIONISTS CLAIM FALSELY THAT THEY WANT PEACE WHILE SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT PALESTINIAN PEOPLE! HYPOCRISY IS THE BEST WORD TO DESCRIBE israel, ZIONISM AND ZIONISTS.

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The Zionist Massacre of Palestinian people: DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE

 

9-10 April 1948: The massacre that became the symbol of Zionist aggression against the Palestinians as well as Zionist treachery. The Mukhtar of the village had agreed with the Zionists to provide information on the movement of strangers in the area as well as other intelligence provided their village is spared. The Zionists were not to keep their side of the promise. In an operation which was called Operation Unity, the Haganah co-operated with the Irgun and the Stern Gang in this operation. At 4:30 am on Friday 9th April 1948 surrounded the village which was overlooked by two Jewish settlements, Givat Shaul and Montefiore. For two days Zionist terrorists killed men women and children, raped women and stole their jewellery. A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself - the mopping up - as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished of with knives. Women's bellies were cut open and babies were butchered inthe hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of them 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. 52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cut off. The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops knew of the massacre while it was going on, however, no one intervened to stop it.

 

Zionists are the most disgusting animals that are not interested in peace !!!

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Zionists are the most disgusting animals that are not interested in peace !!!

 

And yet you haven't been able to suggest a PLAN to help the Palestinians. You are prepared to let their suffering continue indefinitely rather than actually help them. A little hypocritical, don't you think?

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And yet you haven't been able to suggest a PLAN to help the Palestinians. You are prepared to let their suffering continue indefinitely rather than actually help them. A little hypocritical, don't you think?

 

Zionists should return to Europe and USA and surrender Palestine to Palestinian people who are the rightful owners of the land. Palestine should be governed by Palestinian people and they are the ones who would decide the future of Palestine. Christians, Jews and Muslims, whose ancestors had been living in Palestine before Zionist came to Palestine, should be allowed to live in Palestine and their rights respected.

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No, that's your goal, not a plan. A plan is setting out the things you need to do to achieve your goal.

 

Does Hamas have a plan? If not, why not? They are supposed to be the leaders. Does anyone supporting the Palestinians have a plan? If they have I've never heard it. Why isn't developing a plan the #1 priority for Muslims? Why HASN'T a [lan been developed in the past 50 years?

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I don't believe this - NO-ONE has any ideas at all? Does all your energy go into complaining?

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:sl: / Peace

 

I'm guessing not many people want to debate with you because your first post in this thread supports, or at least inclines towards zionism (which is not allowed in the forum).

Please read the topic in the link below.

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Here is a few points to help you recognize who you really are. This applies on you regardless of your faith system:

 

* If you support the israeli terror state, you're a zionist.

* If you think that Jews have the right to have their own homeland, by taking away Palestine, ethnically cleanse it from its Palestinian people, you're a zionist.

* If you think that those who are firm against zionists are racist, you're a zionist.

* If you think that antisemitism laws are justified, you're a zionist.

* If you think being a Jew and being a zionist are the same thing, you're a zionist

* If you're Christian and think that you can't love Jesus unless you love israel, you're a zionist.

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your first post in this thread supports, or at least inclines towards zionism

 

How do you come to that conclusion?

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How do you come to that conclusion?

 

Please read the PM that I have sent you.

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Oh , I just love those 'rules ' . Here's some you forgot to add ......

 

if you dont think you're a zionist ....then you ARE a zionist .

 

if you disagree with anything that I say ...then you are a zionist .

 

Makes sense don't it ?

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I would however like to see possible solutions discussed, even if we dissagree with Dancing's conclusions. I have always been interested to know what Muslims think the best solution would be.

Edited by Russ of Vespuccia

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Accept that it is going to take time. Probably generations. That's not pleasant but it's reality. And yes, israel will probably take more land and kill more innocents along the way, but if you want a solution you have to accept that. It isn't like you have any choice - israel will take land and kill innocents whatever happens.

Your whole attitude is disturbing. The opposite side may respond like this: as long as the US doesn't stop interfering from the affairs of Muslim countries, then don't think "OBL" and "the rest" will dissapear from attacking US citizens. They will not go out of business anytime soon. Yes, this is sad, and this may hurt your strategic economic and political domination, but this has to happen. Accept that it is going to take time for the so called "OBL" and "the rest" to forget how evil the US, probably generations. That's not pleasant but it's reality. Those people will probably take more innocents along the way, but if you really want to be free from them, you have to accept that. It isn't like you have any choice.

 

I would however like to see possible solutions discussed, even if we dissagree with Dancing's conclusions. I have always been interested to know what Muslims think the best solution would be.

What about the idea of making reparations towards Palestinians for all the material and immaterial losses since 1948? This alone is able to make israel state become bancrupt, so that they have to pack to Europe.

 

Wassalam,

Y

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What Yasnov is saying is , as long as the US supports israel , Bin laden and people like him will find a rationale and justification to kill Americans .

 

There's no need to be coy here Yasnov , most Americans are quite aware of this .

 

America's "evil " of course , is its support of israel , and it's not likely that , THAT will go away any time soon either .

 

You [and them ] had better learn to deal with that , you know ..."on the way ".

 

 

And yes , we already know the capacity on the part of those like Bin Laden [and those who think like him ] to take innocent lives ....that is demonstrated explicitly everyday .

 

 

America is not going out of buisiness anytime soon either .

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So, gamma ray thinks that Dancing's solution for the Palestinians is not a realistic one. Thanks Ray for your input : )

 

Wassalam,

Y

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Dont put words in my mouth Yasnov , and learn to read the posts more carefully , dancings remarks were a sarcasm on prevailing attitudes on your part and among muslims and arabs of the region .

 

You did not get that did you ?

 

What I said is what I said . Not what you try to impune .

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Yasnov, like ###### you have mistaken a goal (reparations to Palestinians and the repatriation of all Jews to Europe) with a plan. HOW is this goal to be achieved? Obviously it isn't going to happen by itself, so HOW do the supporters of the Palestinians plan to achieve it?

 

As was pointed out in the first post, it will take the US changing its relationship with israel. Unles that happens no plan can succeed. How can that be achieved? By lobbing rockets at israeli civillians and threatening more terror attacks on the US? Unlikely.

 

Anyone can think of a goal - it's an achievable goal that's the hard part. You need to have a plan. What is it?

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What about the idea of making reparations towards Palestinians for all the material and immaterial losses since 1948? This alone is able to make israel state become bancrupt, so that they have to pack to Europe.

 

Ok. Now does anyone have real solutions? I'm serious.

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As was pointed out in the first post, it will take the US changing its relationship with israel. Unles that happens no plan can succeed. How can that be achieved? By lobbing rockets at israeli civillians and threatening more terror attacks on the US? Unlikely.

I don't want to talk on behalf of the Palestinians. If you want to know their goals, go there and ask them. You can't ask them via Internet as their power is cut right. If you did go there, you better watch out for the surroundings in case an israeli rocket might land on your head while you are asking them their goals. Make sure you ask them for some tips what to do when such rockets are coming.

 

Do you ever think that it might be insulting for the Palestinians that you are asking us, outsiders, to set our goals for them?

 

Anyway, it's not about how you force them to compromise and make an achievable goals according to your own criteria and standpoint, but how you can persuade and attract them to work with you on reaching an achievable goals for both parties. The opposite party (I meant israel) has never shown any intention and good will of doing this.

 

For the time being, I'll focus on my goal to educate Americans like gamma ray. Thanks for asking.

 

Wassalam,

Y

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“Thus, what is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemy's strategy.â€

 

Sun Tzu

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“Thus, what is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemy's strategy.â€

 

And what is israel's strategy? A big part of it is to enlist the sympathy of the US public, which ensures the continuing support of the US government. With US government support israel cannot be defeated.

 

What will increase the sympathy of the US public for israel? Attacks on the US public by people who oppose israel. And (to a lesser extent) attacks on israeli civillians.

 

How could this strategy be attacked?

 

Hmmm?

 

If you reach the obvious conclusion don't post it or you'll be banned for being a Zionist (!)

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In peace prepare for war, in war prepare for peace. The art of war is of vital importance to the state. It is matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence under no circumstances can it be neglected.

 

 

 

Sun Tzu

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