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Three-quarters of Asia? Rather less actually. As you acknowledge yourself, it began with the sword there and it was mainly by the sword elsewhere. The fact that conquered peoples were given an offer they couldn't refuse may not be unconnected with some people deciding to become muslims before the offer was made.

 

Lets see your proof and it doesnt matter who you are freind answer this as well

 

can you pls show us which muslim army we sent to indonesia and south east asia in general ?

 

can you show us which army we have stationed in the US OF A to force ppl to accept Islam .

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Lets see your proof and it doesnt matter who you are freind answer this as well

 

can you pls show us which muslim army we sent to indonesia and south east asia in general ?

 

can you show us which army we have stationed in the US OF A to force ppl to accept Islam .

Proof of what?

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:D Yeah So this proves that you can talk big and point fingers at muslims but got nothing to back up your accusations .

 

Figures , bring in the next wannabe anti Islamist pls .

Edited by Al Faqeer

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:D Yeah So this proves that you can talk big and point fingers at muslims but got nothing to back up your accusations .

 

Figures , bring in the next wannabe anti Islamist pls .

You still haven't said what you want me to prove. when- if- you get round to doing so I will be delighted to answer.

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I'm not Ismael actually, and I'm merely asking you questions. Of course, if you don't want to answer them, it is entirely up to you. We may draw inferences from your failure, inability or refusal to answer, however.

Three-quarters of Asia?  Rather less actually. As you acknowledge yourself, it began with the sword there and it was mainly by the sword elsewhere. The fact that conquered peoples were given an offer they couldn't refuse may not be unconnected with some people deciding to become muslims before the offer was made.

 

Prove this My Wannabe anti Islamist :D if you can .

 

If you cant say :

 

What proof are you talking about :D .

Edited by Al Faqeer

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3/4 of asia was not conqurerd by the sword even though it was started with Islamic Conquering and people were given three options the Sword , Islam or Jizya which was A tax so they were not forced to accept Islam .

 

no answer my Questions if you can .

A comparison of countries Islam conquered by the sword and othewise in Asia, excluding Arabia and Turkey.

Conquered by the sword:

India, including Pakistan: area c.3,775,000 sq km. Given that not all of India was conquered, however, we will call it 2,000,000 sq. km.

Persia: 1,600,000 sq. km.

Afghanistan: c 600,000 sq.km.

Total: 4,200,000 sq. km.

 

Countries which became muslim without conquest:

Indonesia: area c 2,000,000 sq. km.

Malaysia: area c. 330,000 sq.km.

Bangladesh: area c. 150,000 sq. km.

Central Asia: c. 4,500,000 sq. km.

Total: c 7,000,000 sq. km.

 

Figures- from cia.gov - are rounded.

Rather less than three quarters, actually, even if we put in another million square kilometres for other supposewdly peaceful spreaqding of Islam. Remember i have taken the most favourable view of what actually counts as "peaceful" spreading and ignored wars between indigenous muslims and nonmuslims, considering only invasion by foreign muslims as conquest. I have also ignored the original conquest of Arabia itself and the conquest of Byzantine-ruled lands in Asia Minor.

 

Over to you, Faquer...

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You Cant prove it can you :D .

 

Anyway like I said freind bring you evidence b4 making accusations and dont try changing ppls names to Faquer... :D or you will be banned .

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You Cant prove it can you :D .

 

Anyway like I said freind bring you evidence b4 making accusations and dont try changing ppls names to Faquer... :D or you will be banned .

Sorry for the mis-spelling. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an edit button here. I showed you that- even from the most favourable view- Islam spread peacefully across much less than three quarters of the parts of Asia it spread through. What do you find unsatisfactory about my evidence, except that you can't answer it?

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actaully Your proof proves my point that Islam does not need to spread by the sword which brings us back to the Questions :

 

can you pls show us which muslim army we sent to indonesia and south east asia in general ?

 

can you show us which army we have stationed in the US OF A to force ppl to accept Islam ?

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Three-quarters of Asia?  Rather less actually. As you acknowledge yourself, it began with the sword there and it was mainly by the sword elsewhere. The fact that conquered peoples were given an offer they couldn't refuse may not be unconnected with some people deciding to become muslims before the offer was made.

That was the question you asked me to answer. I'm pleased to see you accept my answer as correct.

Now, then, pal, how about answering my own question:

 

How about Asia, North Africa, Persia, Afghanistan, India, Spain, the Middle East and eastern Europe, though?

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Already answered that one :D

 

can you pls show us which muslim army we sent to indonesia and south east asia in general ?

 

can you show us which army we have stationed in the US OF A to force ppl to accept Islam ?

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Already answered that one :D
where?
can you pls show us which muslim army we sent to indonesia and south east asia in general ?
how dfo you suppose the muslims spread across Java and sumatra, actually? as for S E asia have yoiu heard of Timur or Aurengzeb?
can you show us which army we have stationed in the US OF A to force ppl to accept Islam ?

No-one has suggested one Has, have they? In fact, the ruler of Tripoli, after the USA destroyed his pirate fleet in 1804, ordered his army to prepare to invade the USA and bring back the king of America in chains. When they couldn't find America on any of their maps they decided not to.

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:D

 

First of all, what does the spread of Islam have to do with Ali Baba and the forty thieves? That had more to do with stealing treasure and getting rid of the thieves, just folktale.

 

hi,

the notion that some deity talked to some arab in the desert,is itself crazy

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Really? I would think that humans talking to Pictures of idols, and idols themselves made out of stone, clay, iron, etc is more hysterical.

 

our people were turn into Allah's worshippers by the sword.not by miracles from some Allah.it is a historical fact that the quran was written by a bunch of arabs.tell the quran to save the palestinians.empty words,neither Allah nor for that matter jesus is going to save us.mohamed was having conversation with some Allah.now how many of our people were there with him.please,with your Allah,the arabs have enslaved,killed and raped millions
.

 

BEFORE Islam, the Arabs were idol-worshippers and much given to disputes, quarrels, and violence. But then, so were the Romans, the Africans, the Persians, etc. The use of power, strength, and agression has always been a characteristic of human life, and one that was closely tied into the urge for survival which all living creatures possess.

 

If you know anything about Islam and how it was spread, you would know that Muhammad :D only fought to defend himself and his people and what he believed in. When He first began PEACEFULLY preaching his religion, the enraged inhabitants of Arabia plotted to murder him.

 

He fled first to (what was then) Yathrib, peaceful territory, where there were already many muslim converts, who converted only by hearing about Islam. No Sword had yet reached there.

 

eventually he made Hijrah from Makkah to Madinah, and the Makkans, now even more infuriated, sent an army 1000 strong to attack madinah. NOW WHAT WOULD ONE DO BUT DEFEND THEMSELF? They won the battle with a 313-strong army, with the help of Allah.

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This was the start of many years during which the armies of Islam fought for their faith and defended themselves against the infidels.

 

After a majority of Makkans becasme Muslims, Islam began to gather hundreds of converts.

 

By the time He :D died, Islam had spread throughout Arabia from the Persian Gulf to the Red Sea, and from Yemen in the South to the frontiers of Syria in the North, mostly through companions carrying the message of Islam to those who hadn't yet heard of it.

 

After This, Islam spread beyond Arabia with amazing speed, by AD 750 the influence had spread from the borders of Afghanistan in the East to Spain in the West. It included Egypt and the whole of the African coast.

 

As for Muslims killing, raping, enslaving millions, there is no such recorded history, in either Muslim history or any other history. These things happened before Islam, all over the world, and Islam was the exact cure for them, a code of law and morality.

 

So Yes, Islam was spread through defense, but all things good must be defended, for evil always existed to contradict it.

 

As of now,we see the exact opposite situation. Muslims are the most attacked and killed people in the world today. The tables have turned and the sword is at their throats now. Yet, millions are still converting to Islam. WHY?

 

What makes you think you have to speak in Arabic to Allah? Visit the Holy Ka'bah and you will hear people supplicating in many diferent languages. The Qur'an is translated into every language. Thats one of the remarkable things about Islam: its a global religion. there is no part of the world today that you won't find Muslims. Arabia makes up the smallest percentage of Muslims.

 

putting haman in egypt,and old arabic pagan worship like going around a meteorite,some jinn and other unseen reality

 

Please tell us where in the Qur'aan you've seen this? Have you ever read the Qur'aan, or just blaspheming for the sake of blasphemy?

 

fear is biggest weapon of Islam,

 

Calling upon and Allah and asking for His help is the strongest weapon of Islam. How else coould we face up to all of those tanks coming at us? :D

 

the man was having sex with minors

 

Muhammad :D married A'isha (RA) while she was a child, but the marriage wasn't consummated until she was a woman.

 

 

May Allah Guide you to the Truth and have mercy upon your soul. Ameen.

Edited by Kaneeza

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:D

 

how dfo you suppose the muslims spread across Java and sumatra, actually? as for S E asia have yoiu heard of Timur or Aurengzeb?

 

Through people travelling and seeking knowledge from scholars and learned people. The so called "Sword" stopped in 1571 after the battle of Lepanto, where the ruling Ottoman centre and right were destroyed, with the loss of 30,000 soldiers and sailors.

 

Islam is being spread mostly by the media nowadays, and by the good actions being witnessed and admired by non-muslims.

 

No-one has suggested one Has, have they? In fact, the ruler of Tripoli, after the USA destroyed his pirate fleet in 1804, ordered his army to prepare to invade the USA and bring back the king of America in chains. When they couldn't find America on any of their maps they decided not to.

 

Eh? :D Never happened. Can you even tell us who the ruler of tripoli was in 1804? and the "King of America"????? America has never had a King!!!!

Come on, we're not that intellectually challenged :D

Edited by Kaneeza

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Muhammad :D married A'isha (RA)  while she was a child, but the marriage wasn't consummated until she was a woman.

 

:D sis, and don't forget, she was engaged prior to wedding Muhammad. The engagement was broken off so they could get married. Obviously, she was old enough to be a candidate for marriage in the society at that time.

 

May Allah Guide you to the Truth and have mercy upon your soul. Ameen.

Ameen!

 

:D

AS

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where? how dfo you suppose the muslims spread across Java and sumatra, actually? as for S E asia have yoiu heard of Timur or Aurengzeb?

No-one has suggested one Has, have they? In fact, the ruler of Tripoli, after the USA destroyed his pirate fleet in 1804, ordered his army to prepare to invade the USA and bring back the king of America in chains. When they couldn't find America on any of their maps they decided not to.

 

 

Islam spread through Java with no sword only with propogation :D if you have proof they used force pls bring it :D .

 

So how is Islam spreading in the USA and why is it the fastest grwoing religion in the world ? where are the swords .

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Through people travelling and seeking knowledge from scholars and learned people. The so called "Sword" stopped in 1571 after the battle of Lepanto, where the ruling Ottoman centre and right were destroyed, with the loss of 30,000 soldiers and sailors.

A better date for a cessation of spreading by the sword- in the west at least- would be the siege of Vienna in 1689, actually.
Eh?  :D  Never happened. Can you even tell us who the ruler of tripoli was in 1804? and the "King of America"????? America has never had a King!!!!

Come on,  we're not that intellectually challenged  :D

No, but the Dey of Tripoli was that "intellectually challenged". He also thought his army could march to america. Faqer seems to think it important whether any muslim army ever attempted to invade America, so I gave him a not very successful example.

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Islam spread through Java with no sword only with propogation :D if you have proof they used force pls bring it :D .
Take a look at a history of Java. The early coastal Islamic states spread forcibly across the interior. Compare with Ceylon, where the only attempts tp spread Islam were peaceful and largely unsuccesful.
So how is Islam spreading in the USA and why is it the fastest grwoing religion in the world ? where are the swords .

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, if it is the fastest growing religion in the world, because muslims have a high birth rate. In fact Islam isn't spreading very fast in the USA: see Jeffrey Lang's Even angels Ask.

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In fact Islam isn't spreading very fast in the USA...

 

Islam is one of the fastest-growing religions in the United States today.

 

It doesn't seem to be slowing down...and I've never met anyone here who converted to Christianity...more like they just believe because it's what their parents told them to.

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Peace out,

AS

Edited by Allah's Slave

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:D

 

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, if it is the fastest growing religion in the world, because muslims have a high birth rate. In fact Islam isn't spreading very fast in the USA: see Jeffrey Lang's Even angels Ask.

 

Thats an unreliable source. Most people are reverting to Islam in america, Canada, UK, and many other developed countries, even Denmark has a large community.

 

Take a look at a history of Java. The early coastal Islamic states spread forcibly across the interior. Compare with Ceylon, where the only attempts tp spread Islam were peaceful and largely unsuccesful.

 

Why are you making up your own history? Like bro Al Faqeer (and not faquer or faqer, you're making the mistake too many times) mentioned, please bring sources and proofs for your allegations because your history books and the rest of the worlds are just not adding up!!!!

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:D

 

"Coversions Christian Style"

 

1. In Winston Churchill's "History of Great Britain" he mentions how saxon

"Christians" battled the pagan Vikings and at the end of the battles where the

Vikings were defeated, that the Saxons would force the Vikings to "Convert"

and would baptize them; causing Churchill to comment that there was one

well known Viking who converted 40 times.

 

2. In "The Last Apocalypse" it states that otto the great, a fierce ex-pagan Viking

forced his followers to become "christians."

 

3. the evil that occurred during the conquest of the South American Indian Cultures

like the Mayans, Aztecs, Inca's and other's. the brutality shown by the Spanish

Soldiers and Clergy was a horrific event and the Slaughter in the name of christ

was absolutely grotesque.

 

4. From Germany comes this little poem:

"And Wilt Thou Not A Christian Be,

I'll Smash Thy Skull, Just Wait And See!"

 

5. The Forced Conversions under Torture of Muslims & Jews during the Spanish

Inquisition.

 

6. Some of the Papal Bulls of the Fifteenth Century Declared that the Enslavement

of the Negro was an "Act of Mercy", Because Only Through Slavery Could Large

Numbers Be Brought To Christ.

 

7. The French "Code Noir" of 1685 Obliged Every Planter to Have His Negroes

Baptized and Properly Instructed in the Doctrines and Duties of Christianity.

 

8. Maryland, USA (1664) Declared that All Slaves Must Serve for Life in order to

Prevent damage which masters might sustain if their slaves Pretended to be

christians.

 

9. The Mariana Islands were the scene of the earliest and, according to all modern

histories, the most infamous colonization effort of any European Nation in

Oceania. On 15 June 1668, a band of Six Jesuits, led by Fr. Diego Luis De

Savitores, arrived at Guam, the largest & most populous of the Marianas, to

Initiate the Christianization Conquest of the Pacific.

 

Continued>>>

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What began as a religious mission to proclaim the "Gospel of Peace" degenerated into an all-out military conquest which as the historians have it, killed off vast numbers of Native Chamorros. Spanish Soldiery which a Century before had Massacred large numbers of Natives in Mexico & Peru, was again guilty of Genocide in the Marianas...

 

10. "They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features...they do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of Ignorance..."

 

"They have no Iron. Their Spears are made out of Cane...They would make fine Servants..."

 

"With fifty men, we could Subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want..."

 

(Christopher Columbus, Writing in his logbook of what would be later called the Bahamas).

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